As previously posted for 2024

week ending

Jan 5th involving covid 301 due to covid 208

this year 2025

Jan 3rd involving covid 98 due to covid 66

So well down on last year


All the xlsx files can be found on here and the 2025 site (just change the date)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales/2024

These figures are on page 3, rows 12 and 13 and cover England and Wales

The new kid on the block being the offer of RSV vaccination.

According to the NHS, the vaccine helps reduce the risk of RSV causing
serious problems such as pneumonia and bronchiolitis in vulnerable groups.
But then I can't help wondering how useful it will be to those who've
already and sensibly IMHO had the one-off Pneumococcal vaccine. Which
leaves bronchiolitis; so maybe more research needed.



bb

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/respiratory-syncytial-virus-rsv/

https://www.nhs.uk/vaccinations/pneumococcal-vaccine/

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On 23 Jan 2025 at 10:49:15 GMT, ""billy bookcase"" <billy@anon.com> wrote:

As previously posted for 2024

week ending

Jan 5th involving covid 301 due to covid 208

this year 2025

Jan 3rd involving covid 98 due to covid 66

So well down on last year

All the xlsx files can be found on here and the 2025 site (just change the date)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales/2024

These figures are on page 3, rows 12 and 13 and cover England and Wales

The new kid on the block being the offer of RSV vaccination.

According to the NHS, the vaccine helps reduce the risk of RSV causing serious problems such as pneumonia and bronchiolitis in vulnerable groups. But then I can't help wondering how useful it will be to those who've
already and sensibly IMHO had the one-off Pneumococcal vaccine. Which
leaves bronchiolitis; so maybe more research needed.

Wrong. Not all pneumonia is Pneumococcal; it can be viral or involve other bacteria.

--

Roger Hayter

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On 23/01/2025 10:49, billy bookcase wrote:

As previously posted for 2024

week ending

Jan 5th involving covid 301 due to covid 208

this year 2025

Jan 3rd involving covid 98 due to covid 66

So well down on last year

All the xlsx files can be found on here and the 2025 site (just change the date)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales/2024

These figures are on page 3, rows 12 and 13 and cover England and Wales

The new kid on the block being the offer of RSV vaccination.

According to the NHS, the vaccine helps reduce the risk of RSV causing serious problems such as pneumonia and bronchiolitis in vulnerable groups. But then I can't help wondering how useful it will be to those who've
already and sensibly IMHO had the one-off Pneumococcal vaccine. Which
leaves bronchiolitis; so maybe more research needed.

bb

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/respiratory-syncytial-virus-rsv/

https://www.nhs.uk/vaccinations/pneumococcal-vaccine/

The RSV vaccination is only available to those over 75 on the NHS.

It is available privately - but if you've thinking of going down that
path, it's worthwhile checking the cost.

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"Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote in message news:3101948781.d2b16f30@uninhabited.net...

On 23 Jan 2025 at 10:49:15 GMT, ""billy bookcase"" <billy@anon.com> wrote:

As previously posted for 2024

week ending

Jan 5th involving covid 301 due to covid 208

this year 2025

Jan 3rd involving covid 98 due to covid 66

So well down on last year


All the xlsx files can be found on here and the 2025 site (just change the >> date)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales/2024

These figures are on page 3, rows 12 and 13 and cover England and Wales

The new kid on the block being the offer of RSV vaccination.

According to the NHS, the vaccine helps reduce the risk of RSV causing
serious problems such as pneumonia and bronchiolitis in vulnerable groups. >> But then I can't help wondering how useful it will be to those who've
already and sensibly IMHO had the one-off Pneumococcal vaccine. Which
leaves bronchiolitis*; so maybe more research needed.

Wrong. Not all pneumonia is Pneumococcal; it can be viral or involve other bacteria.

Thank you, Doctor.

As RSV is a virus, presumably it can be responsible for viral pnuemonia,

So that will be " yes" then and I'll see the nurse on my way out to make
an appointment..

[ Stands up, :leaves the room and quietly closes the door ].


bb

* which apparently mainly affects infants

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"David" <david@nospam.com> wrote in message news:vmt9p9$1k0du$1@dont-email.me...

On 23/01/2025 10:49, billy bookcase wrote:

As previously posted for 2024

week ending

Jan 5th involving covid 301 due to covid 208

this year 2025

Jan 3rd involving covid 98 due to covid 66

So well down on last year


All the xlsx files can be found on here and the 2025 site (just change the date)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales/2024

These figures are on page 3, rows 12 and 13 and cover England and Wales

The new kid on the block being the offer of RSV vaccination.

According to the NHS, the vaccine helps reduce the risk of RSV causing
serious problems such as pneumonia and bronchiolitis in vulnerable groups. >> But then I can't help wondering how useful it will be to those who've
already and sensibly IMHO had the one-off Pneumococcal vaccine. Which
leaves bronchiolitis; so maybe more research needed.



bb

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/respiratory-syncytial-virus-rsv/

https://www.nhs.uk/vaccinations/pneumococcal-vaccine/

The RSV vaccination is only available to those over 75 on the NHS.

It is available privately - but if you've thinking of going down that path, it's
worthwhile checking the cost.

As apparently it only represents a serious problem to the targetted groups there would seem to be little point,

Not that many small infants read Usenet in any case; but their grandparents and great grandparents might.



bb

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"billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> wrote in message news:vmtfbu$1l381$1@dont-email.me...

"David" <david@nospam.com> wrote in message news:vmt9p9$1k0du$1@dont-email.me...

On 23/01/2025 10:49, billy bookcase wrote:

As previously posted for 2024

week ending

Jan 5th involving covid 301 due to covid 208

this year 2025

Jan 3rd involving covid 98 due to covid 66

So well down on last year


All the xlsx files can be found on here and the 2025 site (just change the date)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales/2024

These figures are on page 3, rows 12 and 13 and cover England and Wales

The new kid on the block being the offer of RSV vaccination.

According to the NHS, the vaccine helps reduce the risk of RSV causing
serious problems such as pneumonia and bronchiolitis in vulnerable groups. >>> But then I can't help wondering how useful it will be to those who've
already and sensibly IMHO had the one-off Pneumococcal vaccine. Which
leaves bronchiolitis; so maybe more research needed.



bb

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/respiratory-syncytial-virus-rsv/

https://www.nhs.uk/vaccinations/pneumococcal-vaccine/

The RSV vaccination is only available to those over 75 on the NHS.

It is available privately - but if you've thinking of going down that path, it's
worthwhile checking the cost.

As apparently it only represents a serious problem to the targetted groups

Correction. There is a strong suspicion that it is only being targetted at
the 75-80 age group and not being offered to over 80's free* on the NHS -
even to vulnerable patients over 80 with compromised immune systems, purely
on grounds of cost

https://www.saga.co.uk/magazine/health-and-wellbeing/rsv-vaccine-not-offered-to-over-80s


Which suggests that rather than using the blunt statistical instrument of
age alone, a person's clinical history should take priority or at least be taken into account, when deciding eligibility


* Apparently it costs the NHS �158 per dose

https://www.barnfieldhillsurgery.co.uk/alerts/seasonal-vaccination-information-including-rsv-flu-and-covid-19/

The early history of RSV is apparently mainly concerned infections and deaths in infants; and clearly they would be a first priority in any case.


bb

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On 23/01/2025 14:27, billy bookcase wrote:

* Apparently it costs the NHS Ł158 per dose

It would not surprise me if the price is the overriding factor why the
NHS aren't offering to others.

Also in addition to the vaccine price, the GP will want to be paid for administering it.

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On 1/23/25 12:58, billy bookcase wrote:

"Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote in message news:3101948781.d2b16f30@uninhabited.net...

On 23 Jan 2025 at 10:49:15 GMT, ""billy bookcase"" <billy@anon.com> wrote: >>

As previously posted for 2024

week ending

Jan 5th involving covid 301 due to covid 208

this year 2025

Jan 3rd involving covid 98 due to covid 66

So well down on last year


All the xlsx files can be found on here and the 2025 site (just change the >>> date)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales/2024

These figures are on page 3, rows 12 and 13 and cover England and Wales

The new kid on the block being the offer of RSV vaccination.

According to the NHS, the vaccine helps reduce the risk of RSV causing
serious problems such as pneumonia and bronchiolitis in vulnerable groups. >>> But then I can't help wondering how useful it will be to those who've
already and sensibly IMHO had the one-off Pneumococcal vaccine. Which
leaves bronchiolitis*; so maybe more research needed.

Wrong. Not all pneumonia is Pneumococcal; it can be viral or involve other >> bacteria.

Thank you, Doctor.

As RSV is a virus, presumably it can be responsible for viral pnuemonia,

I think Roger's point was regards your talk of Pneumococcal vaccine as a panacea against pneumonia. It is only a vaccine against Pneumococcal
infection (AIUI caused by Streptococcus pneumoniae). The vaccine will
not protect you against a virus (such as RSV) or non pneumococcal
bacteria. So as Roland might say, The Pneumococcal vaccine and the RSA
vaccine are orthogonal.

I only know this because I currently have a bacterial infection (non
strep) and a family member had Pneumonia (potentially related). It's not
just the vaccine that doesn't work on non-strep bacteria, apparently the antibiotic the pharmacist gave me suffers from the same problem of only
working on strep. Fortunately the doctor's, different, antibiotic seems
to have rapidly worked.

I was a bit disappointed in the "Pharmacy First" service. The pharmacist
didn't examine my throat, just gave me antibiotics.

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"Pancho" <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> wrote in message news:vmu3oo$1og8f$1@dont-email.me...

On 1/23/25 12:58, billy bookcase wrote:

"Roger Hayter" <roger@hayter.org> wrote in message
news:3101948781.d2b16f30@uninhabited.net...

On 23 Jan 2025 at 10:49:15 GMT, ""billy bookcase"" <billy@anon.com> wrote: >>>

As previously posted for 2024

week ending

Jan 5th involving covid 301 due to covid 208

this year 2025

Jan 3rd involving covid 98 due to covid 66

So well down on last year


All the xlsx files can be found on here and the 2025 site (just change the >>>> date)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales/2024

These figures are on page 3, rows 12 and 13 and cover England and Wales >>>>
The new kid on the block being the offer of RSV vaccination.

According to the NHS, the vaccine helps reduce the risk of RSV causing >>>> serious problems such as pneumonia and bronchiolitis in vulnerable groups. >>>> But then I can't help wondering how useful it will be to those who've
already and sensibly IMHO had the one-off Pneumococcal vaccine. Which
leaves bronchiolitis*; so maybe more research needed.

Wrong. Not all pneumonia is Pneumococcal; it can be viral or involve other >>> bacteria.

Thank you, Doctor.

As RSV is a virus, presumably it can be responsible for viral pnuemonia,

I think Roger's point was regards your talk of Pneumococcal vaccine as a panacea
against pneumonia.

Indeed. I was completely wrong about that; as I had the impression that "the pneumonia jab" was a one-off miracle cure all for all types of pneumonia -
not that I actually realised there was more than one type, in the first
place.

As a generally healthy person I just try and do the right things,
without otherwise taking any great interest in "Pathological Matters".


While as a former GP, and unlike the usual run of UseNet bullsh*t artists
Roger can at least be expected to actually know what he's talking about when
it comes to medical matters at least; and so I'm grateful for the advice.

Apparently the peak for RSV infections is September - February whereas I
only received a letter from my GP surgery this week. However because
both vaccines, only one of which is being used in the UK are relatively new their efficacy/lifespan hasn't been fully established in any case. So I'll
book an appointment just to save one going to waste.

It is only a vaccine against Pneumococcal infection (AIUI caused by Streptococcus
pneumoniae). The vaccine will not protect you against a virus (such as RSV) or non
pneumococcal bacteria. So as Roland might say, The Pneumococcal vaccine and the RSA
vaccine are orthogonal.

I only know this because I currently have a bacterial infection (non strep) and a
family member had Pneumonia (potentially related). It's not just the vaccine that
doesn't work on non-strep bacteria, apparently the antibiotic the pharmacist gave me
suffers from the same problem of only working on strep. Fortunately the doctor's,
different, antibiotic seems to have rapidly worked.

I was a bit disappointed in the "Pharmacy First" service. The pharmacist didn't examine
my throat, just gave me antibiotics.

I'd imagine many doctors are quite gratified by the portrayal of their profession
in "Doc Martin"*. Here's this chap sat at his desk with not a computer in sight coming up with accurate diagnoses of all types of conditions on the spot.
And treating his patients like grown ups rather than needy children.,

Whereas quite how pharmacists regard the portrayal of their profession by Mrs Tishell/Selina Cadell is maybe another matter.


bb

Who presumably following Shipman, wouldn't have been allowd to practice alone in any case

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