• Re: Non-hate crimes. How?

    From Pancho@21:1/5 to Ottavio Caruso on Mon Nov 25 23:57:39 2024
    On 11/22/24 15:31, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
    Le 21/11/2024 à 07:39, Pancho a écrit :
    Grassroots action, boycotts are very important for democracy.
    Important to give power to the masses. Boycotts are not hatred, and
    certainly not violence.

    The move to equate boycott with bigotry is an authoritarian move by
    elites to protect themselves from widespread public sentiment. At a
    time of rising inequality, and increasing lobby power, we really
    should be doing everything we can to maximise the ability of the
    little man to defend his rights.

    The Zionist lobby is perhaps the most obvious, crypto lobbying and
    weapons lobbying the most obviously wrong

    I grew up in 1970s Italy and I met people, now long dead, who were
    actually in the infamous Partito Nazionale Fascista.

    They all used exactly this same language with regard to Jews ("Zionist lobby") and we all despised them because this made them fascist.


    What is you point? There is a Zionist Lobby. People who lobby in favour
    of Israel. I've seen them do it on telly, in the MSM. It appears to me
    to be powerful. It appears to me politicians are influenced.

    Do you think there isn't a Zionist lobby, or do you think it
    unreasonable to notice that there is, and to comment upon it? I'm not
    radical left, or a fascist. I'm not comfortable with people who use
    smear tactics rather than reasoned argument of how influential Zionism is.

    40+ years later, this has been adopted as the mainstream language of the radical left, whereas the alleged new fascists (Meloni & co.) support
    Israel (with moderation, though).


    I don't know a lot about fascist dogma. If being anti-Zionist is a core
    tenet of fascism, it seems it would then be wrong to call Meloni fascist
    if she isn't anti-Zionist. Perhaps logical consistency is unimportant in
    a smear?

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