Does anyone know why the GRO index of deaths jumps from 1957 straight to
1984?

I do know about freeBMD but it hasn't been helpful in this case.

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On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 17:57:53 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

Does anyone know why the GRO index of deaths jumps from 1957 straight to 1984?

I do know about freeBMD but it hasn't been helpful in this case.

There was a plan about 15 years ago for the Digitisation of Vital
Events.

It never completed, hence the end date for the first period.

From 1984 it was all digital to start with.

John




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John

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John wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Does anyone know why the GRO index of deaths jumps from 1957
straight to 1984?
There was a plan about 15 years ago for the Digitisation of Vital

Events. It never completed, hence the end date for the first
period. From 1984 it was all digital to start with.

Thanks for that.

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On 27/11/2024 17:57, Andy Burns wrote:

Does anyone know why the GRO index of deaths jumps from 1957 straight to 1984?

I do know about freeBMD but it hasn't been helpful in this case.

You might find that the entry in the death register isn't accurate!

Several years ago I couldn't find an entry in FreeBMD births for someone
I knew had died in 1950, searching on the father's name and mother's
maiden name for any children. After various attempts got nowhere I
omitted the mother's maiden name. This turned up the correct birth entry
(of course there were a lot more to search through). The mother's maiden
name was there but it was wrong; although fairly close to the correct
name. Ready to blame the transcriber, I checked the image of the
register page. The name was wrong in that! The correct surname was
"Wells", but in the register it was "Wales". The registrar must have
misheard the surname.

I added a postem in case any others came across this problem.

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On 27/11/2024 19:39, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 27/11/2024 17:57, Andy Burns wrote:

Does anyone know why the GRO index of deaths jumps from 1957 straight to
1984?

I do know about freeBMD but it hasn't been helpful in this case.

You might find that the entry in the death register isn't accurate!

Several years ago I couldn't find an entry in FreeBMD births for someone
I knew had died in 1950, searching on the father's name and mother's
maiden name for any children. After various attempts got nowhere I
omitted the mother's maiden name. This turned up the correct birth entry
(of course there were a lot more to search through). The mother's maiden
name was there but it was wrong; although fairly close to the correct
name. Ready to blame the transcriber, I checked the image of the
register page. The name was wrong in that! The correct surname was
"Wells", but in the register it was "Wales". The registrar must have
misheard the surname.

I added a postem in case any others came across this problem.

I have seen plenty of mis-spellings and name swaps:

e.g Born as Mily SURNAME but married as Milly SURNAME

my gran is Brenda but her birth has her down as Brend

my own father was leonard david in the GRO instead of David Leonard

my step grand mother appears as Isabella or Isobel across various records

Somethimes the people concerned do things deliberately.

One family I was tracing, the mother made her maiden name into her
middle name when getting married.

She also remarried before then dying keeping the same maiden name as her
middle name.

All five of her chidlren across both husbands have her maiden name as
their own middle name. FreeBMD showed this as D

One issue with FreeBMD was that it only goes up to about 1998 So I
resort to the GRO from 1998 to about 2023. I then found the people
concenred as the GRO had the middle name/maiden name in full.

Some of the harder ones to trace are ones who change their name and then
marry.

so you have a Louise MAIDEN-NAME with no trace of a marriage or a death
but there is a Louise NEW_NAME marrying a Mr MAN and becoming Louise MAN.

Sometimes there is an official notice of the name change from
MAIDEN-NAME to NEW-NAME in the Gazette but not always.

It only becomes possible to connect when Louise MAN dies and their year
of birth is the same as Louise MAIDEN-NAME.

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On 27/11/2024 18:14, John wrote:

On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 17:57:53 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

Does anyone know why the GRO index of deaths jumps from 1957 straight to
1984?

I do know about freeBMD but it hasn't been helpful in this case.

There was a plan about 15 years ago for the Digitisation of Vital
Events.

It never completed, hence the end date for the first period.

From 1984 it was all digital to start with.

John

That doesn't account for the 27 year gap though. No one would have
considered digitizing in 1957.
Also Free BMD shows up plenty of deaths the the 1958-1984 with images
from the index.

Jeff

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On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 09:48:12 +0000, Jeff <jeff@ukra.com> wrote:

On 27/11/2024 18:14, John wrote:

On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 17:57:53 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

Does anyone know why the GRO index of deaths jumps from 1957 straight to >> 1984?

I do know about freeBMD but it hasn't been helpful in this case.

There was a plan about 15 years ago for the Digitisation of Vital
Events.

It never completed, hence the end date for the first period.

From 1984 it was all digital to start with.

John

That doesn't account for the 27 year gap though. No one would have
considered digitizing in 1957.
Also Free BMD shows up plenty of deaths the the 1958-1984 with images
from the index.

Jeff

I have a vague memory that they were not going to show 'recent'
records, and that recent meant not the last fifty years. The printed
indexes were, and still are, always available but the online indexes
were compiled anew from the original records.
This ensured that you could have an entirely new set of errors to cope
with.
The indexing project never completed, cut-off dates may just be where
the monet ran out.

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John

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On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 17:57:53 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

Does anyone know why the GRO index of deaths jumps from 1957 straight to >1984?

I don't know, but it's very frustrating. I keep meaning to ask them.

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Peter Johnson wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Does anyone know why the GRO index of deaths jumps from 1957 straight to
1984?

I don't know, but it's very frustrating. I keep meaning to ask them.

In this case it's not super important, it's effectively a friend of a
friend of a relative, friend2 was entitled to the rent from a property
after friend1 died, then when friend2 died, relative was entitled to
ownership of the property, I was curious to find the date of the second
death, which was approx 40 years after the will was written, so friend2
could have been anywhere in the country by then ...

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On 28/11/2024 16:44, Andy Burns wrote:

Peter Johnson wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Does anyone know why the GRO index of deaths jumps from 1957 straight to >>> 1984?

I don't know, but it's very frustrating. I keep meaning to ask them.

In this case it's not super important, it's effectively a friend of a
friend of a relative, friend2 was entitled to the rent from a property
after friend1 died, then when friend2 died, relative was entitled to ownership of the property, I was curious to find the date of the second death, which was approx 40 years after the will was written, so friend2
could have been anywhere in the country by  then ...

Sometimes it is easier to find people on probatesearch.service.gov.uk
(allowing for the fact that probate can be several years after death)
but the more recent ones are regrettably short of identifying detail in
the index.

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tahiri wrote:

Sometimes it is easier to find people on probatesearch.service.gov.uk (allowing for the fact that probate can be several years after death)
but the more recent ones are regrettably short of identifying detail in
the index.

Yes, I'd tried that, it turned up two example of the right name, +/1 a
year from that expected, but a long way from the expected part of the
country, which I have no way of knowing whether is right or wrong.

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On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 16:41:55 +0000, tahiri
<tahiri2@tanygraig.force9.co.uk> wrote:

On 28/11/2024 16:44, Andy Burns wrote:

Peter Johnson wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Does anyone know why the GRO index of deaths jumps from 1957 straight to >>>> 1984?

I don't know, but it's very frustrating. I keep meaning to ask them.

In this case it's not super important, it's effectively a friend of a
friend of a relative, friend2 was entitled to the rent from a property
after friend1 died, then when friend2 died, relative was entitled to
ownership of the property, I was curious to find the date of the second
death, which was approx 40 years after the will was written, so friend2
could have been anywhere in the country by  then ...

Sometimes it is easier to find people on probatesearch.service.gov.uk >(allowing for the fact that probate can be several years after death)
but the more recent ones are regrettably short of identifying detail in
the index.

If probate has been granted then a copy of the will and/or grant of administration can be obtained, for download, on payment of £1.50. It
takes a couple of days usually.

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