Hi Legal Eagle Team

There is a likelihood that the company I work for will relocate in the
not too distant which will result in some workers travelling further to
work.

All employment contracts to this point have been signed based on
workers' primary location being the current office address.

If the company does relocate, do the workers have a decent chance of requesting/demanding recompense for the additional mileage and also the
change in commute time?

For what it's worth, the change will not impact me personally as the
current and proposed new locations are equidistant from my home address.

Thanks

Phil

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On 04/12/2024 17:56, thescullster wrote:

Hi Legal Eagle Team

There is a likelihood that the company I work for will relocate in the
not too distant which will result in some workers travelling further to
work.

All employment contracts to this point have been signed based on
workers' primary location being the current office address.

If the company does relocate, do the workers have a decent chance of requesting/demanding recompense for the additional mileage and also the change in commute time?

For what it's worth, the change will not impact me personally as the
current and proposed new locations are equidistant from my home address.

Thanks

Phil

This probably answers your questions:

https://www.gov.uk/employer-relocation-your-rights

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On 04/12/2024 22:32, Norman Wells wrote:

On 04/12/2024 17:56, thescullster wrote:

Hi Legal Eagle Team

There is a likelihood that the company I work for will relocate in the
not too distant which will result in some workers travelling further
to work.

All employment contracts to this point have been signed based on
workers' primary location being the current office address.

If the company does relocate, do the workers have a decent chance of
requesting/demanding recompense for the additional mileage and also
the change in commute time?

For what it's worth, the change will not impact me personally as the
current and proposed new locations are equidistant from my home address.

Thanks

Phil

This probably answers your questions:

https://www.gov.uk/employer-relocation-your-rights

Thanks Norman

From that article it looks like any support for extra travel time/cost
is a non-starter.

Might be useful if you are looking to retire early and want to try for
the redundancy payout I suppose.

Phil

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On 05/12/2024 12:11, thescullster wrote:

On 04/12/2024 22:32, Norman Wells wrote:

On 04/12/2024 17:56, thescullster wrote:

Hi Legal Eagle Team

There is a likelihood that the company I work for will relocate in
the not too distant which will result in some workers travelling
further to work.

All employment contracts to this point have been signed based on
workers' primary location being the current office address.

If the company does relocate, do the workers have a decent chance of
requesting/demanding recompense for the additional mileage and also
the change in commute time?

For what it's worth, the change will not impact me personally as the
current and proposed new locations are equidistant from my home address. >>>
Thanks

Phil

This probably answers your questions:

https://www.gov.uk/employer-relocation-your-rights

Thanks Norman

From that article it looks like any support for extra travel time/cost
is a non-starter.

Might be useful if you are looking to retire early and want to try for
the redundancy payout I suppose.

So, there's no mobility clause?

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On 05/12/2024 12:29, GB wrote:

On 05/12/2024 12:11, thescullster wrote:

On 04/12/2024 22:32, Norman Wells wrote:

On 04/12/2024 17:56, thescullster wrote:

Hi Legal Eagle Team

There is a likelihood that the company I work for will relocate in
the not too distant which will result in some workers travelling
further to work.

All employment contracts to this point have been signed based on
workers' primary location being the current office address.

If the company does relocate, do the workers have a decent chance of
requesting/demanding recompense for the additional mileage and also
the change in commute time?

For what it's worth, the change will not impact me personally as the
current and proposed new locations are equidistant from my home
address.

Thanks

Phil

This probably answers your questions:

https://www.gov.uk/employer-relocation-your-rights

Thanks Norman

 From that article it looks like any support for extra travel
time/cost is a non-starter.

Might be useful if you are looking to retire early and want to try for
the redundancy payout I suppose.

So, there's no mobility clause?

Hi GB

This is the only passage I can see that is relevant:

Reading this literally suggests that the office base is Hessle and any
travel away from that location will be paid.

(5) PLACE OF WORK
Your primary place of employment is at the Company’s premises as
indicated on the first page of this document. Certain employees are
required to spend time abroad on Company business. If this requirement
applies to you it will say so on your Record Sheet. When required to
work elsewhere other than at the Company’s premises your travel expenses
and accommodation costs will either be paid for or reimbursed. You will
be required to live in the vicinity of our client sites for long periods
at a time.

The period you will be required to work abroad (or within the UK at a
site other than the Company’s premises in Hessle) varies according to
the nature of the work and the length of the contract.

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On 05/12/2024 12:11, thescullster wrote:

On 04/12/2024 22:32, Norman Wells wrote:

On 04/12/2024 17:56, thescullster wrote:

Hi Legal Eagle Team

There is a likelihood that the company I work for will relocate in
the not too distant which will result in some workers travelling
further to work.

All employment contracts to this point have been signed based on
workers' primary location being the current office address.

If the company does relocate, do the workers have a decent chance of
requesting/demanding recompense for the additional mileage and also
the change in commute time?

For what it's worth, the change will not impact me personally as the
current and proposed new locations are equidistant from my home address. >>>
Thanks

Phil

This probably answers your questions:

https://www.gov.uk/employer-relocation-your-rights

Thanks Norman

From that article it looks like any support for extra travel time/cost
is a non-starter.

Why not ask? They may want to avoid staff opting for redundancy
instead, to which they would be entitled, and might be amenable to some
sort of compensation package. It's the sort of thing I think any union
would be pressing for.

Might be useful if you are looking to retire early and want to try for
the redundancy payout I suppose.

Yes. It can be quite fortuitous and beneficial if you're in that position.

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On 5 Dec 2024 at 15:52:52 GMT, "thescullster" <Phil@nospam.com> wrote:

On 05/12/2024 12:29, GB wrote:

On 05/12/2024 12:11, thescullster wrote:

On 04/12/2024 22:32, Norman Wells wrote:

On 04/12/2024 17:56, thescullster wrote:

Hi Legal Eagle Team

There is a likelihood that the company I work for will relocate in
the not too distant which will result in some workers travelling
further to work.

All employment contracts to this point have been signed based on
workers' primary location being the current office address.

If the company does relocate, do the workers have a decent chance of >>>>> requesting/demanding recompense for the additional mileage and also
the change in commute time?

For what it's worth, the change will not impact me personally as the >>>>> current and proposed new locations are equidistant from my home
address.

Thanks

Phil

This probably answers your questions:

https://www.gov.uk/employer-relocation-your-rights

Thanks Norman

From that article it looks like any support for extra travel
time/cost is a non-starter.

Might be useful if you are looking to retire early and want to try for
the redundancy payout I suppose.

So, there's no mobility clause?

Hi GB

This is the only passage I can see that is relevant:

Reading this literally suggests that the office base is Hessle and any
travel away from that location will be paid.

(5) PLACE OF WORK
Your primary place of employment is at the Company’s premises as
indicated on the first page of this document. Certain employees are
required to spend time abroad on Company business. If this requirement applies to you it will say so on your Record Sheet. When required to
work elsewhere other than at the Company’s premises your travel expenses and accommodation costs will either be paid for or reimbursed. You will
be required to live in the vicinity of our client sites for long periods
at a time.

The period you will be required to work abroad (or within the UK at a
site other than the Company’s premises in Hessle) varies according to
the nature of the work and the length of the contract.

Yes, but that doesn't necessarily stop them changing your main place of work.
This is by negotiation, but the alternative to agreeing is, at best, redundancy.

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Roger Hayter

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Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote in news:1668582372.43c396f5@uninhabited.net:

On 5 Dec 2024 at 15:52:52 GMT, "thescullster" <Phil@nospam.com> wrote:

On 05/12/2024 12:29, GB wrote:

On 05/12/2024 12:11, thescullster wrote:

On 04/12/2024 22:32, Norman Wells wrote:

On 04/12/2024 17:56, thescullster wrote:

Hi Legal Eagle Team

There is a likelihood that the company I work for will relocate
in the not too distant which will result in some workers
travelling further to work.

All employment contracts to this point have been signed based on
workers' primary location being the current office address.

If the company does relocate, do the workers have a decent chance
of requesting/demanding recompense for the additional mileage and
also the change in commute time?

For what it's worth, the change will not impact me personally as
the current and proposed new locations are equidistant from my
home address.

Thanks

Phil

This probably answers your questions:

https://www.gov.uk/employer-relocation-your-rights

Thanks Norman

From that article it looks like any support for extra travel
time/cost is a non-starter.

Might be useful if you are looking to retire early and want to try
for the redundancy payout I suppose.

So, there's no mobility clause?

Hi GB

This is the only passage I can see that is relevant:

Reading this literally suggests that the office base is Hessle and
any travel away from that location will be paid.

(5) PLACE OF WORK
Your primary place of employment is at the Company’s premises as
indicated on the first page of this document. Certain employees are
required to spend time abroad on Company business. If this
requirement applies to you it will say so on your Record Sheet. When
required to work elsewhere other than at the Company’s premises
your travel expenses and accommodation costs will either be paid for
or reimbursed. You will be required to live in the vicinity of our
client sites for long periods at a time.

The period you will be required to work abroad (or within the UK at a
site other than the Company’s premises in Hessle) varies according
to the nature of the work and the length of the contract.

Yes, but that doesn't necessarily stop them changing your main place
of work.
This is by negotiation, but the alternative to agreeing is, at best, redundancy.

That does not appear to indicate a mobility clause and so the employee
could claim redundancy if the change in employment location was
determined to be unreasonable by a tribunal.

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On 04/12/2024 17:56, thescullster wrote:

Hi Legal Eagle Team

There is a likelihood that the company I work for will relocate in the
not too distant which will result in some workers travelling further to
work.

All employment contracts to this point have been signed based on
workers' primary location being the current office address.

How far are they moving? 5 miles, 50 miles or something in between?

ISTR being at the wrong end of the M62 for Manchester vs Huddersfield
was not considered too far back in my day. Very tough for the ones
starting in Manchester since they would be driving into the sun morning
and evening at some times of year. In winter the Pennine route could be treacherous too. The M62 was to be fair quieter back then.

If the company does relocate, do the workers have a decent chance of requesting/demanding recompense for the additional mileage and also the change in commute time?

No harm in asking what the options are if you don't want to move with
them. If they really want to keep key personnel then relocation packages
might be available. It depends on the size of the company and how benign
or otherwise their management team happens to be.

I've seen such redeployment done deliberately to get rid of people (see
M62 story above and it wasn't considered unreasonable ~80's). Unions
took it to arbitration and lost (big employer no longer extant). I don't
know if there are new and better employment protections now.

For what it's worth, the change will not impact me personally as the
current and proposed new locations are equidistant from my home address.

A few people at my former place of work commuted 50 miles or so anyway.
Hard not to commute at least 15 miles since the works wasn't somewhere
you would *want* to live near!

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On 05/12/2024 14:07, Norman Wells wrote:

On 05/12/2024 12:11, thescullster wrote:

On 04/12/2024 22:32, Norman Wells wrote:

On 04/12/2024 17:56, thescullster wrote:

Hi Legal Eagle Team

There is a likelihood that the company I work for will relocate in the not >>>> too distant which will result in some workers travelling further to work. >>>>
All employment contracts to this point have been signed based on workers' >>>> primary location being the current office address.

If the company does relocate, do the workers have a decent chance of
requesting/demanding recompense for the additional mileage and also the >>>> change in commute time?

For what it's worth, the change will not impact me personally as the current
and proposed new locations are equidistant from my home address.

Thanks

Phil

This probably answers your questions:

https://www.gov.uk/employer-relocation-your-rights

Thanks Norman

 From that article it looks like any support for extra travel time/cost is a
non-starter.

Why not ask?  They may want to avoid staff opting for redundancy instead, to which they would be entitled, and might be amenable to some sort of compensation
package.  It's the sort of thing I think any union would be pressing for.

The company or which my daughter works is in the process of moving their office to premises in London. Currently staff asked to spend time there get expenses, but once the move is complete, I gather from what she said, such expenses would be taxable. I think they will getting a payrise, at least London weighting, but
that wouldn't cover the cost of the train tickets.

Doesn't affect her, she has always worked from home with some visits to the office, and when she has visited has used us as her B&B - she lives close to London. But affects her in that she is one of those working out the sums they can afford for such packages.


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kat
>^..^<

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