Two and a half years ago, Liz Truss, then PM, promised a bonfire of
European legislation and gave the matches to Jacob Rees-Mogg who said
that there were 2400 pieces of legislation involved. Rishi Sunak
backed this up when he took office and pledged to review or repeal
every bit of retained European law lurking in British statutes within
100 days of taking office.
How many of those pieces of legislation have been abolished or
modified?
Martin Harran remarked:
How many of those pieces of legislation have been abolished or
modified?
Very few, if any, I expect.
Roland Perry wrote:
Martin Harran remarked:
How many of those pieces of legislation have been abolished orVery few, if any, I expect.
modified?
Pt1 is a list of sun-setted EU legislation and Pt2 is a list of
retained EU legislation ...
<https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2023/28/schedule/1#tgp1-tbl1-thd3- >tr1-th1>
Which items have been signicantly altered from what the EU legislation specified?
On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 17:47:00 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
Martin Harran wrote:
Which items have been signicantly altered from what the EU legislation
specified?
Do you want to check the text of 587 pieces of legislation?
Me neither.
The few I looked at have been totally nuked, with a comment "There are >>currently no known outstanding effects by [blah]"
No mention of bananas.
Forgive the slight mixing of metaphors but sounds like the promised
bonfire turned out to be a damp squib.
On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 17:47:00 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
Martin Harran wrote:
Which items have been signicantly altered from what the EU legislation
specified?
Do you want to check the text of 587 pieces of legislation?
Me neither.
The few I looked at have been totally nuked, with a comment "There are
currently no known outstanding effects by [blah]"
No mention of bananas.
Forgive the slight mixing of metaphors but sounds like the promised
bonfire turned out to be a damp squib.
On 16/12/2024 18:30, Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 17:47:00 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
Martin Harran wrote:
Which items have been signicantly altered from what the EU legislation >>>> specified?
Do you want to check the text of 587 pieces of legislation?
Me neither.
The few I looked at have been totally nuked, with a comment "There are
currently no known outstanding effects by [blah]"
No mention of bananas.
Forgive the slight mixing of metaphors but sounds like the promised
bonfire turned out to be a damp squib.
If I remember rightly, the main theme of the Bonfire of the EU
legislation was to remove allegedly pointless health and safety rules
for workplaces, foodstuffs, products and systems of work.
On 23/12/2024 11:13, The Todal wrote:
On 16/12/2024 18:30, Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 17:47:00 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
Martin Harran wrote:
Which items have been signicantly altered from what the EU legislation >>>>> specified?
Do you want to check the text of 587 pieces of legislation?
Me neither.
The few I looked at have been totally nuked, with a comment "There are >>>> currently no known outstanding effects by [blah]"
No mention of bananas.
Forgive the slight mixing of metaphors but sounds like the promised
bonfire turned out to be a damp squib.
If I remember rightly, the main theme of the Bonfire of the EU
legislation was to remove allegedly pointless health and safety rules
for workplaces, foodstuffs, products and systems of work.
No, the idea is that we have our *own* pointless health and safety rules.
And we want our 10 volts back.
We need more, not fewer, health and safety regulations. I daresay the
USA does not currently plan to send us chlorinated chicken but it
doesn't make that junk food more palatable if you pass a law saying that
it's delicious.
It still amazes me that this amiable buffoon, who caused more damage to
our nation than any Prime Minister in our history, is still able to walk
down the street without being pelted with excrement. And he still plans
to make a comeback as a future leader of his party.
On 23/12/2024 in message <lssuuqFgm5fU1@mid.individual.net> The Todal wrote:
Forgive the slight mixing of metaphors but sounds like the promised >>>bonfire turned out to be a damp squib.
If I remember rightly, the main theme of the Bonfire of the EU
legislation was to remove allegedly pointless health and safety rules
for workplaces, foodstuffs, products and systems of work.
At some stage one of our governments, I think the last Conservative,
made a fairly low key announcement that changes would be dealt with "as
and when" rather than in one big bonfire. Makes a lot more sense.
Forgive the slight mixing of metaphors but sounds like the promised
bonfire turned out to be a damp squib.
If I remember rightly, the main theme of the Bonfire of the EU legislation >was to remove allegedly pointless health and safety rules for workplaces, >foodstuffs, products and systems of work.
On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 11:13:30 +0000, The Todal wrote:
It still amazes me that this amiable buffoon, who caused more damage to
our nation than any Prime Minister in our history, is still able to walk
down the street without being pelted with excrement. And he still plans
to make a comeback as a future leader of his party.
To be fair, Churchill spent a long time "in the wilderness". And it's an
open secret that Boris sees himself as some sort of heir to that mantle.
On 23 Dec 2024 at 11:54:11 GMT, "Max Demian" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 23/12/2024 11:13, The Todal wrote:
If I remember rightly, the main theme of the Bonfire of the EU
legislation was to remove allegedly pointless health and safety rules
for workplaces, foodstuffs, products and systems of work.
No, the idea is that we have our *own* pointless health and safety rules.
And we want our 10 volts back.
We never lost them! We just pretended they weren't there.
I suspect that most of the changes will be simply be to Tipp-Ex out
'EU', and when dry, to write in 'UKRA'. This will obviously take time. [Actually, to hedge bets, most products now bear both.]
On 23/12/2024 in message <lssuuqFgm5fU1@mid.individual.net> The Todal
wrote:
Forgive the slight mixing of metaphors but sounds like the promised
bonfire turned out to be a damp squib.
If I remember rightly, the main theme of the Bonfire of the EU
legislation was to remove allegedly pointless health and safety rules
for workplaces, foodstuffs, products and systems of work.
At some stage one of our governments, I think the last Conservative,
made a fairly low key announcement that changes would be dealt with "as
and when" rather than in one big bonfire. Makes a lot more sense.
On 23/12/2024 11:59, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 23 Dec 2024 at 11:54:11 GMT, "Max Demian" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote: >>> On 23/12/2024 11:13, The Todal wrote:
If I remember rightly, the main theme of the Bonfire of the EU
legislation was to remove allegedly pointless health and safety rules
for workplaces, foodstuffs, products and systems of work.
No, the idea is that we have our *own* pointless health and safety rules. >>>
And we want our 10 volts back.
We never lost them! We just pretended they weren't there.
*They* pretended they weren't there.
Ian Jackson wrote:
I suspect that most of the changes will be simply be to Tipp-Ex out
'EU', and when dry, to write in 'UKRA'. This will obviously take time. >>[Actually, to hedge bets, most products now bear both.]
Do you mean 'UKCA' ?
On 23/12/2024 11:13, The Todal wrote:
On 16/12/2024 18:30, Martin Harran wrote:
On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 17:47:00 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
Martin Harran wrote:
Which items have been signicantly altered from what the EU legislation >>>>> specified?
Do you want to check the text of 587 pieces of legislation?
Me neither.
The few I looked at have been totally nuked, with a comment "There are >>>> currently no known outstanding effects by [blah]"
No mention of bananas.
Forgive the slight mixing of metaphors but sounds like the promised
bonfire turned out to be a damp squib.
If I remember rightly, the main theme of the Bonfire of the EU
legislation was to remove allegedly pointless health and safety rules
for workplaces, foodstuffs, products and systems of work.
No, the idea is that we have our *own* pointless health and safety rules.
And we want our 10 volts back.
Ian Jackson wrote:
I suspect that most of the changes will be simply be to Tipp-Ex out
'EU', and when dry, to write in 'UKRA'. This will obviously take time.
[Actually, to hedge bets, most products now bear both.]
Do you mean 'UKCA' ?
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 23/12/2024 11:13, The Todal wrote:
If I remember rightly, the main theme of the Bonfire of the EU
legislation was to remove allegedly pointless health and safety rules
for workplaces, foodstuffs, products and systems of work.
No, the idea is that we have our *own* pointless health and safety rules.
And we want our 10 volts back.
Due to a sleight of hand that involved the stroke of a pen, the volts were only ‘lost’ by changing the nominal voltage and widening the tolerance on
the supply. They can be ‘found’ again just as easily.
On 23 Dec 2024 at 17:34:44 GMT, "Max Demian" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 23/12/2024 11:59, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 23 Dec 2024 at 11:54:11 GMT, "Max Demian" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 23/12/2024 11:13, The Todal wrote:
If I remember rightly, the main theme of the Bonfire of the EU
legislation was to remove allegedly pointless health and safety rules >>>>> for workplaces, foodstuffs, products and systems of work.
No, the idea is that we have our *own* pointless health and safety rules. >>>>
And we want our 10 volts back.
We never lost them! We just pretended they weren't there.
*They* pretended they weren't there.
Not at all, they deliberately stretched their definition of 230V to include 240V!
On 2024-12-23, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
On 23 Dec 2024 at 17:34:44 GMT, "Max Demian" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote: >>> On 23/12/2024 11:59, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 23 Dec 2024 at 11:54:11 GMT, "Max Demian" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 23/12/2024 11:13, The Todal wrote:
If I remember rightly, the main theme of the Bonfire of the EU
legislation was to remove allegedly pointless health and safety rules >>>>>> for workplaces, foodstuffs, products and systems of work.
No, the idea is that we have our *own* pointless health and safety rules. >>>>>
And we want our 10 volts back.
We never lost them! We just pretended they weren't there.
*They* pretended they weren't there.
Not at all, they deliberately stretched their definition of 230V to include >> 240V!
That's the point surely, they could pretend that all EU countries were
the same at 230V while we actually stayed at 240V.
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
Ian Jackson wrote:
I suspect that most of the changes will be simply be to Tipp-Ex out
'EU', and when dry, to write in 'UKRA'. This will obviously take time.
[Actually, to hedge bets, most products now bear both.]
Do you mean 'UKCA' ?
Ian seems to have had a Usenet group in mind…
On 24 Dec 2024 at 12:21:34 GMT, "Jon Ribbens" <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
On 2024-12-23, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
On 23 Dec 2024 at 17:34:44 GMT, "Max Demian" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 23/12/2024 11:59, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 23 Dec 2024 at 11:54:11 GMT, "Max Demian" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
And we want our 10 volts back.
We never lost them! We just pretended they weren't there.
*They* pretended they weren't there.
Not at all, they deliberately stretched their definition of 230V to include >>> 240V!
That's the point surely, they could pretend that all EU countries were
the same at 230V while we actually stayed at 240V.
Not really - the point was not pretending or holding opinions, the point was that if everything was manufactured for the public specified range of "230V" then it worked here just as well as there. It is an engineering standard, not a political slogan!
On 24/12/2024 13:11, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 24 Dec 2024 at 12:21:34 GMT, "Jon Ribbens" <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu>
wrote:
On 2024-12-23, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
On 23 Dec 2024 at 17:34:44 GMT, "Max Demian" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 23/12/2024 11:59, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 23 Dec 2024 at 11:54:11 GMT, "Max Demian" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
And we want our 10 volts back.
We never lost them! We just pretended they weren't there.
*They* pretended they weren't there.
Not at all, they deliberately stretched their definition of 230V to include
240V!
That's the point surely, they could pretend that all EU countries were
the same at 230V while we actually stayed at 240V.
As bad as the bananas.
Not really - the point was not pretending or holding opinions, the point was >> that if everything was manufactured for the public specified range of "230V" >> then it worked here just as well as there. It is an engineering standard, not
a political slogan!
Are you saying that manufacturers *had* to make devices that would cope
with 200-250V (or whatever the range was) even if they only intended to
sell stuff in the UK?
What if they wanted to use a linear rather than a switch mode power
supply (the former may require a much narrower range of voltage).
Would they need to/were they allowed to have a supply voltage switch
like old valve radios had on the back?
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