• Re: Ukraine war after 3 years

    From Pancho@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 7 11:19:29 2025
    On 1/4/25 20:17, GB wrote:
    On 03/01/2025 15:58, Pancho wrote:
    On 1/3/25 14:59, GB wrote:
    On 02/01/2025 23:40, Pancho wrote:

    You'd have thought that Europe would have spent the last 3 years
    arming up like mad, but even that hasn't happened.


    Why? It is clear Russia has more than enough on their hands with
    Ukraine, and other ex soviet republics. They are so weak they have
    just lost Syria.

    They now have battle-hardened troops. Why stop at Ukraine? Why not
    annexe Germany, then France?


    If they had managed to annexe Kharkiv, I would be more convinced.
    Kharkiv is 30km from the Russian border, just another 970km and they
    would get to Poland. Then the same again and they would reach France.

    Also, I think it is becoming clearer that drones/robots are the
    future, not battle harden soldiers.

    Indeed. Ukraine has produced 1.1m FPV drones, and the Russians 1.3m. How
    many do our army have?

    It's not just that the Russian soldiers that are battle-hardened. They
    now know how to fight.


    I dislike this characterisation. Yes, I understand that soldiers handle
    the stress of live fire badly, but I think the main problem is strategy
    from the top, "generals always prepare to fight the last war"
    ("generals" includes politicians).

    In the UK this is relevant with vanity projects like aircraft carriers
    and the independent nuclear deterrent.

    To my mind the obvious lessons from the war are: cheap drones
    overwhelming vastly more expensive equipment and, possibly even more importantly, the need for economic self sufficiency. Or economic self sufficiency within a political unit that has enforceable legal
    mechanisms to ensure supply. It's one of the main reasons I thought
    Brexit was a bad idea.

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  • From Robert Marshall@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Tue Jan 7 16:17:52 2025
    On Thu, Jan 02 2025, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

    On 02/01/2025 12:47, GB wrote:
    Nearly 3 years after the main Russo-Ukraine war began, and after 1m
    casualties, it looks like the Ukrainians will be pressured into
    accepting an unsatisfactory peace.
    Back in 2022, the question was raised on this NG whether the
    Ukrainians should simply capitulate? Any thoughts on that now?
    You'd have thought that Europe would have spent the last 3 years
    arming up like mad, but even that hasn't happened.

    Arming which European countries? The only European countries that are
    scared of Russia are former members of the Soviet Union, and I doubt
    the more peripheral ones really need to worry.

    I think Finland are rather worried hence their rush to NATO but I
    suppose there were part of Russia but rather longer ago.

    Robert
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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Robert Marshall on Wed Jan 8 11:42:27 2025
    On 07/01/2025 16:17, Robert Marshall wrote:
    On Thu, Jan 02 2025, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
    On 02/01/2025 12:47, GB wrote:

    Nearly 3 years after the main Russo-Ukraine war began, and after 1m
    casualties, it looks like the Ukrainians will be pressured into
    accepting an unsatisfactory peace.
    Back in 2022, the question was raised on this NG whether the
    Ukrainians should simply capitulate? Any thoughts on that now?
    You'd have thought that Europe would have spent the last 3 years
    arming up like mad, but even that hasn't happened.

    Arming which European countries? The only European countries that are
    scared of Russia are former members of the Soviet Union, and I doubt
    the more peripheral ones really need to worry.

    I think Finland are rather worried hence their rush to NATO but I
    suppose there were part of Russia but rather longer ago.

    Finns have always hated the Russians, which is why they were on the
    German side in WW2.

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