After languishing in the long grass of the Digital Economy Act 2017, itresponds-to-risky-age-verification-measures-online/>
seems age verification will be required by July.
<https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/press-coverage/big-brother-watch-
Surprised that OFCOM think "email-based age estimation" will count as
robust ...
After languishing in the long grass of the Digital Economy Act 2017, it
seems age verification will be required by July.
<https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/press-coverage/big-brother-watch-responds-to-risky-age-verification-measures-online/>
Surprised that OFCOM think "email-based age estimation" will count as
robust ...
A link to Ofcom's actual announcement would be far more
Mark Goodge wrote:
A link to Ofcom's actual announcement would be far more
<https://ofcom.org.uk/online-safety/protecting-children/age-checks-to-protect-children-online#:~:text=methods%20that,estimation;>
Mark Goodge wrote:
A link to Ofcom's actual announcement would be far more
<https://ofcom.org.uk/online-safety/protecting-children/age-checks-to-protect-children-online#:~:text=methods%20that,estimation;>
On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 16:54:22 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
Mark Goodge wrote:
A link to Ofcom's actual announcement would be far more
<https://ofcom.org.uk/online-safety/protecting-children/age-checks-to-protect-children-online#:~:text=methods%20that,estimation;>
Or https://tinyurl.com/ywx5da6y :-)
Drilling down into the actual guidance, what it actually says about email-based estimation is that:
These are solutions that estimate the age of a user by analysing the other
online services where that user's provided email address has been used.
This could include where an email address has been associated with
financial institutions such as mortgage lenders.
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/siteassets/resources/documents/consultations/category-1-10-weeks/statement-age-assurance-and-childrens-access/part-3-guidance-on-highly-effective-age-assurance.pdf
or https://tinyurl.com/33zs8xw8
That's fairly vague (and it doesn't go into detail), but in principle that sounds plausible. In practice, I suspect that it's more likely to run up against the problem that financial institutions will be unwilling to share information which could reveal a customer's email address.
On 16/01/2025 17:37, Mark Goodge wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 16:54:22 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote: >>> Mark Goodge wrote:
A link to Ofcom's actual announcement would be far more
<https://ofcom.org.uk/online-safety/protecting-children/age-checks-to-protect-children-online#:~:text=methods%20that,estimation;>
Or https://tinyurl.com/ywx5da6y :-)
Drilling down into the actual guidance, what it actually says about
email-based estimation is that:
These are solutions that estimate the age of a user by analysing the other
online services where that user's provided email address has been used. >> This could include where an email address has been associated with
financial institutions such as mortgage lenders.
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/siteassets/resources/documents/consultations/category-1-10-weeks/statement-age-assurance-and-childrens-access/part-3-guidance-on-highly-effective-age-assurance.pdf
or https://tinyurl.com/33zs8xw8
That's fairly vague (and it doesn't go into detail), but in principle that >> sounds plausible. In practice, I suspect that it's more likely to run up
against the problem that financial institutions will be unwilling to share >> information which could reveal a customer's email address.
Are they even allowed to do this? I thought companies were forbidden
from giving out private information: I would certainly regard my email address as private.
On 16/01/2025 17:37, Mark Goodge wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 16:54:22 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote: >>> Mark Goodge wrote:
A link to Ofcom's actual announcement would be far more
<https://ofcom.org.uk/online-safety/protecting-children/age-checks-to-protect-children-online#:~:text=methods%20that,estimation;>
Or https://tinyurl.com/ywx5da6y :-)
Drilling down into the actual guidance, what it actually says about
email-based estimation is that:
These are solutions that estimate the age of a user by analysing the other
online services where that user's provided email address has been used. >> This could include where an email address has been associated with
financial institutions such as mortgage lenders.
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/siteassets/resources/documents/consultations/category-1-10-weeks/statement-age-assurance-and-childrens-access/part-3-guidance-on-highly-effective-age-assurance.pdf
or https://tinyurl.com/33zs8xw8
That's fairly vague (and it doesn't go into detail), but in principle that >> sounds plausible. In practice, I suspect that it's more likely to run up
against the problem that financial institutions will be unwilling to share >> information which could reveal a customer's email address.
Are they even allowed to do this? I thought companies were forbidden
from giving out private information: I would certainly regard my email >address as private.
Mark Goodge wrote:
A link to Ofcom's actual announcement would be far more
<https://ofcom.org.uk/online-safety/protecting-children/age-checks-to- protect-children-online#:~:text=methods%20that,estimation;>
On 16/01/2025 16:54, Andy Burns wrote:
Mark Goodge wrote:
A link to Ofcom's actual announcement would be far more
<https://ofcom.org.uk/online-safety/protecting-children/age-checks-to-
protect-children-online#:~:text=methods%20that,estimation;>
Based on what little I know of the behaviour of young people nowadays,
if someone uses email (as opposed to WhatsApp, Facebook, and the like)
then one can be pretty sure that they are an adult. Is that what
they mean?
Clive Page <usenet@page2.eu> wrote in
news:lustp9Frir4U1@mid.individual.net:
On 16/01/2025 16:54, Andy Burns wrote:
Mark Goodge wrote:
A link to Ofcom's actual announcement would be far more
<https://ofcom.org.uk/online-safety/protecting-children/age-checks-to-protect-children-online#:~:text=methods%20that,estimation;>
Based on what little I know of the behaviour of young people nowadays,
if someone uses email (as opposed to WhatsApp, Facebook, and the like)
then one can be pretty sure that they are an adult. Is that what
they mean?
I think it would also be a fair guess that the vast majority of sexual
images seen by younger persons have not been viewed on any kind of official pr0n site.
Andy Burns wrote:It generally annoys me when page authors don't include handy <a> tags
<https://ofcom.org.uk/online-safety/protecting-children/age-checks-to-
protect-children-online#:~:text=methods%20that,estimation;>
As an aside to the interesting url, may I say thank you for the use of "#:~:text=:" on the url, also known as "Scroll To Text Fragment". Not
seen it before, and interesting, and very useful. I have had fun researching it!
On 16 Jan 2025 at 18:02:31 GMT, "Max Demian" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 16/01/2025 17:37, Mark Goodge wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 16:54:22 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote: >>>> Mark Goodge wrote:
A link to Ofcom's actual announcement would be far more
<https://ofcom.org.uk/online-safety/protecting-children/age-checks-to-protect-children-online#:~:text=methods%20that,estimation;>
Or https://tinyurl.com/ywx5da6y :-)
Drilling down into the actual guidance, what it actually says about
email-based estimation is that:
These are solutions that estimate the age of a user by analysing the other
online services where that user's provided email address has been used. >>> This could include where an email address has been associated with
financial institutions such as mortgage lenders.
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/siteassets/resources/documents/consultations/category-1-10-weeks/statement-age-assurance-and-childrens-access/part-3-guidance-on-highly-effective-age-assurance.pdf
or https://tinyurl.com/33zs8xw8
That's fairly vague (and it doesn't go into detail), but in principle that >>> sounds plausible. In practice, I suspect that it's more likely to run up >>> against the problem that financial institutions will be unwilling to share >>> information which could reveal a customer's email address.
Are they even allowed to do this? I thought companies were forbidden
from giving out private information: I would certainly regard my email
address as private.
How about having used the same email address for twenty years? Is that evisaged as evidence?
These are solutions that estimate the age of a user by analysing the<snip>
other online services where that user's provided email address has
been used. This could include where an email address has been
associated with financial institutions such as mortgage lenders.
How about having used the same email address for twenty years? Is that >evisaged as evidence?
In message <5223826056.8f885d8f@uninhabited.net>, at 18:30:38 on Thu, 16 Jan 2025,
Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> remarked:
How about having used the same email address for twenty years? Is that >>evisaged as evidence?
I question I often ask when using my Amex card in the supermarket to pay for alcohol
"Member since 1979". But they still want to verify my age.
How about having used the same email address for twenty years? Is that >>>evisaged as evidence?
I question I often ask when using my Amex card in the supermarket to pay for alcohol
"Member since 1979". But they still want to verify my age.
They do pensioner discounts on alcohol in Supermarkets ?
In message <vmm9aj$3cv78$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:48:32 on Mon, 20 Jan
2025, billy bookcase <billy@anon.com> remarked:
I question I often ask when using my Amex card in the supermarket to pay for alcohol
"Member since 1979". But they still want to verify my age.
They do pensioner discounts on alcohol in Supermarkets ?
Don't be silly. They are checking I'm over-18.
I question I often ask when using my Amex card in the supermarket to pay for alcohol
"Member since 1979". But they still want to verify my age.
They do pensioner discounts on alcohol in Supermarkets ?
Don't be silly. They are checking I'm over-18.
Not entirely silly - Iceland do a 10% discount for over-60s on Tuesdays
on everything including alcohol :-)
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