Doesn't a car need some sort of type approval before being on a UK public road ?
< https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/ tesla-cybertruck-driver-loses-vehicle-30801494 >
Doesn't a car need some sort of type approval before being on a UK public road ?
Does this (admittedly poor) story suggest that Tesla didn't bother? Or
that GMP are fairly incompetent ? I appreciate both can be true.
I read elsewhere that the car had been brought in from abroad in order
to drive it off-road on the Goodwood race track.
Maybe insurance is easiest to approve,and iferr, prove, not approve ...
they somehow get it covered, they'd quickly find getting pulled again on
e.g. C&U legislation?
Tim Jackson wrote:
I read elsewhere that the car had been brought in from abroad in order
to drive it off-road on the Goodwood race track.
A BBC article states
"GMP said the car that was seized had been referred to Operation
Wolverine, which was established in 2007 to target drivers
without insurance. The owner will have to prove ownership and
correct insurance prior to release."
Which implies the police are treating it as a lack of insurance, rather
than an illegal vehicle? Maybe insurance is easiest to approve,and if
they somehow get it covered, they'd quickly find getting pulled again on
e.g. C&U legislation?
Jethro_uk wrote:
Doesn't a car need some sort of type approval before being on a UK public
road ?
Don't know ...
This suggests you can temporarily import a vehicle into the UK, and
leave it on the foreign registration/tax/insurance
<https://www.gov.uk/importing-vehicles-into-the-uk/temporary-imports>
And this suggests for a permanent import, you need to ensure it's
approved, pay import vat/duty, register it, tax/insure it
<https://www.gov.uk/importing-vehicles-into-the-uk>
I don't think Tesla have shown any sign of wanting to sell them in
Europe, so is approval not required for "visiting" cybertrucks?
On 17/01/2025 15:55, Andy Burns wrote:
[quoted text muted]
Surely the person who was driving it at the time will have to prove that *they* were insured to drive it. Once seized by police then the owner
must demonstrate that they have legitimate insurance to drive it.
On 17 Jan 2025 at 15:48:27 GMT, "Andy Burns" <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
Jethro_uk wrote:
Doesn't a car need some sort of type approval before being on a UK
public road ?
Don't know ...
This suggests you can temporarily import a vehicle into the UK, and
leave it on the foreign registration/tax/insurance
<https://www.gov.uk/importing-vehicles-into-the-uk/temporary-imports>
And this suggests for a permanent import, you need to ensure it's
approved, pay import vat/duty, register it, tax/insure it
<https://www.gov.uk/importing-vehicles-into-the-uk>
I don't think Tesla have shown any sign of wanting to sell them in
Europe, so is approval not required for "visiting" cybertrucks?
It seems likely that you can bring an unapproved vehicle here on
holiday, otherwise it would make life difficult for tourists. The
standard of journalism of the whole article is demonstrated by the
weight of the car being expressed in stones rather than tons or
kilogrammes. I don't think even the Americans generally express the
weight of cars in stones. They would probably use pounds.
Americans have zero concept of stones. Or 20-fl. oz. pints.
Which leads to that lovely US load of cobblers: "A pints the pound the
world around". Which encapsulates the US relationship to "the world" perfectly. (as Greenland and Panama will discover)
Tim Jackson wrote:
I read elsewhere that the car had been brought in from abroad in order
to drive it off-road on the Goodwood race track.
A BBC article states
"GMP said the car that was seized had been referred to Operation
Wolverine, which was established in 2007 to target drivers
without insurance. The owner will have to prove ownership and
correct insurance prior to release."
Which implies the police are treating it as a lack of insurance, rather
than an illegal vehicle? Maybe insurance is easiest to approve,and if
they somehow get it covered, they'd quickly find getting pulled again on
e.g. C&U legislation?
A statement posted on Bury Police’s Facebook page [...] added that
the Tesla "does not hold a certificate of conformity".
As a result, the Cybertruck was seized under S165 of the Road Traffic
Act, which gives police the ability to seize vehicles driven without a licence or insurance.
On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 16:27:42 +0000, Martin Brown wrote:
On 17/01/2025 15:55, Andy Burns wrote:
[quoted text muted]
Surely the person who was driving it at the time will have to prove that
*they* were insured to drive it. Once seized by police then the owner
must demonstrate that they have legitimate insurance to drive it.
This is why ANPR for insurance in the UK is ... pants.
A car could whizz past an ANPR and be recorded as "insured" at the same moment it hits another car and it emerges that the car *wasn't* insured
for the person driving it.
< https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/ >tesla-cybertruck-driver-loses-vehicle-30801494 >
Doesn't a car need some sort of type approval before being on a UK public >road ?
Does this (admittedly poor) story suggest that Tesla didn't bother ? Or
that GMP are fairly incompetent ? I appreciate both can be true.
Jethro_uk wrote:
Doesn't a car need some sort of type approval before being on a UK public
road ?
Don't know ...
This suggests you can temporarily import a vehicle into the UK, and
leave it on the foreign registration/tax/insurance
<https://www.gov.uk/importing-vehicles-into-the-uk/temporary-imports>
And this suggests for a permanent import, you need to ensure it's
approved, pay import vat/duty, register it, tax/insure it
<https://www.gov.uk/importing-vehicles-into-the-uk>
I don't think Tesla have shown any sign of wanting to sell them in
Europe, so is approval not required for "visiting" cybertrucks?
On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 15:16:32 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
< https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/ >tesla-cybertruck-driver-loses-vehicle-30801494 >
Doesn't a car need some sort of type approval before being on a UK public >road ?
To be sold in the UK, yes. The owner of this one tried to get around that by registering and insuring it outside the UK.
For a short-term visitor to the UK that would work - we don't expect that every French or Italian driver who arrives on the ferry or the shuttle has a car which is fully street-legal in the UK, all we ask is that it's legal where it was registered and that it doesn't stay in the UK longer than the driver's temporary visit. US military personnel serving on US air bases in the UK are, equally, allowed to have a US specification car for their personal use. And there are similar exemptions for diplomats and other official foreign temporary residents of the UK. But the legislation is explicitly framed to prevent permanent UK residents taking advantage of that loophole.
Tim Jackson wrote:
I read elsewhere that the car had been brought in from abroad in order
to drive it off-road on the Goodwood race track.
A BBC article states
"GMP said the car that was seized had been referred to Operation
Wolverine, which was established in 2007 to target drivers
without insurance. The owner will have to prove ownership and
correct insurance prior to release."
Which implies the police are treating it as a lack of insurance, rather
than an illegal vehicle? Maybe insurance is easiest to approve,and if
they somehow get it covered, they'd quickly find getting pulled again on
e.g. C&U legislation?
Andy Burns wrote:
Tim Jackson wrote:
I read elsewhere that the car had been brought in from abroad in order
to drive it off-road on the Goodwood race track.
It appears to have Albanian number plates
Theo wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
Tim Jackson wrote:
I read elsewhere that the car had been brought in from abroad in
order to drive it off-road on the Goodwood race track.
It appears to have Albanian number plates
Yes, the one in the London eye photo too, I think three cybertrucks
were imported from Albania by Yanni*
[*] Someone who had his 15 minutes of fame doing tasteless vinyl
wraps on cars on UKTVa few years ago.
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 15:16:32 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
<jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
< https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/
tesla-cybertruck-driver-loses-vehicle-30801494 >
Doesn't a car need some sort of type approval before being on a UK public >> >road ?
To be sold in the UK, yes. The owner of this one tried to get around that by >> registering and insuring it outside the UK.
They can apply for an IVA (individual vehicle approval) - these are common
on Japanese imports, but apply to other vehicles new or old. eg it's not >unusual for car companies to import a new model which they have no plans to >sell in the UK, but get it approved for journalists etc to use on UK roads - >those get UK registration plates.
For a short-term visitor to the UK that would work - we don't expect that
every French or Italian driver who arrives on the ferry or the shuttle has a >> car which is fully street-legal in the UK, all we ask is that it's legal
where it was registered and that it doesn't stay in the UK longer than the >> driver's temporary visit. US military personnel serving on US air bases in >> the UK are, equally, allowed to have a US specification car for their
personal use. And there are similar exemptions for diplomats and other
official foreign temporary residents of the UK. But the legislation is
explicitly framed to prevent permanent UK residents taking advantage of that >> loophole.
I'm assuming the use of 'use' here refers to the driver rather than the >ownership? Otherwise a US company could own the car and UK-resident >employees drive it.
On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 16:27:42 +0000, Martin Brown wrote:
On 17/01/2025 15:55, Andy Burns wrote:
[quoted text muted]
Surely the person who was driving it at the time will have to prove that
*they* were insured to drive it. Once seized by police then the owner
must demonstrate that they have legitimate insurance to drive it.
This is why ANPR for insurance in the UK is ... pants.
A car could whizz past an ANPR and be recorded as "insured" at the same >moment it hits another car and it emerges that the car *wasn't* insured
for the person driving it.
Although given the specification of the US cybertruck which is intended
to kill all lower forms of life like children, pedestrians and cyclists
the thing is probably not road legal in the UK.
It might present some problems to the crusher as well given that it is >heavily over engineered in stainless steel so as not to dent easily.
In message <vme0e7$477g$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:27:42 on Fri, 17 Jan
2025, Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> remarked:
Although given the specification of the US cybertruck which is
intended to kill all lower forms of life like children, pedestrians
and cyclists the thing is probably not road legal in the UK.
It might present some problems to the crusher as well given that it is
heavily over engineered in stainless steel so as not to dent easily.
And what happens about the fire, when you crush the batteries?
On 20/01/2025 14:15, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <vme0e7$477g$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:27:42 on Fri, 17 Jan
2025, Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> remarked:
Although given the specification of the US cybertruck which is
intended to kill all lower forms of life like children, pedestrians
and cyclists the thing is probably not road legal in the UK.
It might present some problems to the crusher as well given that it is
heavily over engineered in stainless steel so as not to dent easily.
And what happens about the fire, when you crush the batteries?
I expect they will need a new crushing machine as well.
You can always remove the batteries before crushing it.
(but that wouldn't be half as much fun!)
But isn't that supposed to be the official fate of all non road legal vehicles seized by the police ?
On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 16:31:14 +0000, Martin Brown wrote:
On 20/01/2025 14:15, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <vme0e7$477g$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:27:42 on Fri, 17 Jan
2025, Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> remarked:
Although given the specification of the US cybertruck which is
intended to kill all lower forms of life like children, pedestrians
and cyclists the thing is probably not road legal in the UK.
It might present some problems to the crusher as well given that it is >>>> heavily over engineered in stainless steel so as not to dent easily.
And what happens about the fire, when you crush the batteries?
I expect they will need a new crushing machine as well.
You can always remove the batteries before crushing it.
(but that wouldn't be half as much fun!)
But isn't that supposed to be the official fate of all non road legal
vehicles seized by the police ?
Surely some sort of matey type contract could be secured with a ministers neighbour to pay for the vehicles on the understanding they would be
broken and sold for spares ? Or would that undermine the manufacturers ability to keep their prices ludicrously high ?
On 20 Jan 2025 at 17:01:34 GMT, "Jethro_uk" <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 16:31:14 +0000, Martin Brown wrote:
On 20/01/2025 14:15, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <vme0e7$477g$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:27:42 on Fri, 17 Jan
2025, Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> remarked:
Although given the specification of the US cybertruck which is
intended to kill all lower forms of life like children, pedestrians
and cyclists the thing is probably not road legal in the UK.
It might present some problems to the crusher as well given that it
is heavily over engineered in stainless steel so as not to dent
easily.
And what happens about the fire, when you crush the batteries?
I expect they will need a new crushing machine as well.
You can always remove the batteries before crushing it.
(but that wouldn't be half as much fun!)
But isn't that supposed to be the official fate of all non road legal
vehicles seized by the police ?
Surely some sort of matey type contract could be secured with a
ministers neighbour to pay for the vehicles on the understanding they
would be broken and sold for spares ? Or would that undermine the
manufacturers ability to keep their prices ludicrously high ?
I believe they can auction them if it seems that they are worth
anything.
On 20/01/2025 14:15, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <vme0e7$477g$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:27:42 on Fri, 17 Jan
2025, Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> remarked:
Although given the specification of the US cybertruck which is
intended to kill all lower forms of life like children, pedestrians
and cyclists the thing is probably not road legal in the UK.
It might present some problems to the crusher as well given that it is
heavily over engineered in stainless steel so as not to dent easily.
And what happens about the fire, when you crush the batteries?
I expect they will need a new crushing machine as well.
You can always remove the batteries before crushing it.
(but that wouldn't be half as much fun!)
But isn't that supposed to be the official fate of all non road legal vehicles seized by the police ?
< https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/ tesla-cybertruck-driver-loses-vehicle-30801494 >
Doesn't a car need some sort of type approval before being on a UK
public road ?
Does this (admittedly poor) story suggest that Tesla didn't bother ? Or
that GMP are fairly incompetent ? I appreciate both can be true.
| Sysop: | Keyop |
|---|---|
| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 498 |
| Nodes: | 16 (3 / 13) |
| Uptime: | 47:10:50 |
| Calls: | 9,802 |
| Calls today: | 4 |
| Files: | 13,754 |
| Messages: | 6,189,988 |
