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  • Panama a war zone? Implications for cruise liners?

    From David@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 21 18:09:26 2025
    Noting that the USA has made noises about "reclaiming" Panama but as far
    as I know the fleet hasn't sailed yet.

    A lot of cruises go through the Panama Canal, for example Europe to the
    Pacific (and back).
    If a cruise was booked then war erupted in the canal area, would this be covered by the usual travel insurance, and what would be the position of
    the cruise lines?

    I assume some guidance could be taken by issues in the past around the
    route through the Suez Canal (and potentially in the future if shipping is attacked).

    I'm just trying to get my head around the issues at the moment.
    I was hoping to plan a "bucket list" cruise to the Pacific in the next
    year (possibly over the Xmas break) but should probably wait a few months.

    Cheers



    Dave R


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  • From Colin Bignell@21:1/5 to David on Wed Jan 22 10:44:34 2025
    On 21/01/2025 18:09, David wrote:
    Noting that the USA has made noises about "reclaiming" Panama but as far
    as I know the fleet hasn't sailed yet.

    A lot of cruises go through the Panama Canal, for example Europe to the Pacific (and back).
    If a cruise was booked then war erupted in the canal area, would this be covered by the usual travel insurance, and what would be the position of
    the cruise lines?

    I assume some guidance could be taken by issues in the past around the
    route through the Suez Canal (and potentially in the future if shipping is attacked).

    I'm just trying to get my head around the issues at the moment.
    I was hoping to plan a "bucket list" cruise to the Pacific in the next
    year (possibly over the Xmas break) but should probably wait a few months.

    Cheers



    Dave R



    Under the US Constitution, only Congress has the power to declare war.
    We can but hope that they would not agree to an attack on Panama or any
    other place.

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    Colin Bignell

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Colin Bignell on Wed Jan 22 11:39:26 2025
    On 22/01/2025 10:44, Colin Bignell wrote:
    On 21/01/2025 18:09, David wrote:
    Noting that the USA has made noises about "reclaiming" Panama but as far
    as I know the fleet hasn't sailed yet.

    A lot of cruises go through the Panama Canal, for example Europe to the
    Pacific (and back).
    If a cruise was booked then war erupted in the canal area, would this be
    covered by the usual travel insurance, and what would be the position of
    the cruise lines?

    I assume some guidance could be taken by issues in the past around the
    route through the Suez Canal (and potentially in the future if
    shipping is
    attacked).

    I'm just trying to get my head around the issues at the moment.
    I was hoping to plan a "bucket list" cruise to the Pacific in the next
    year (possibly over the Xmas break) but should probably wait a few
    months.

    Under the US Constitution, only Congress has the power to declare war.
    We can but hope that they would not agree to an attack on Panama or any
    other place.

    Declaring war is so last century. Nowadays we just send in the troops.
    Or "military advisers". Or missiles.

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    Max Demian

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  • From Peter Walker@21:1/5 to Colin Bignell on Wed Jan 22 11:40:18 2025
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote in news:glGdnYtMI7iJVg36nZ2dnZeNn_ednZ2d@giganews.com:


    Under the US Constitution, only Congress has the power to declare war.
    We can but hope that they would not agree to an attack on Panama or
    any other place.


    Not war of course it'd be a righteous asset recovery operation, thought everybody was familiar with the new world terminology from other conflict arenas.

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  • From Vir Campestris@21:1/5 to David on Wed Jan 22 12:21:00 2025
    On 21/01/2025 18:09, David wrote:
    I'm just trying to get my head around the issues at the moment.
    I was hoping to plan a "bucket list" cruise to the Pacific in the next
    year (possibly over the Xmas break) but should probably wait a few months.

    We had a cruise booked in the Med.

    It got cancelled. They had to replan their entire schedule when Suez
    became unsafe.

    Andy

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  • From Jon Ribbens@21:1/5 to Colin Bignell on Wed Jan 22 12:28:58 2025
    On 2025-01-22, Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 21/01/2025 18:09, David wrote:
    Noting that the USA has made noises about "reclaiming" Panama but as far
    as I know the fleet hasn't sailed yet.

    A lot of cruises go through the Panama Canal, for example Europe to the
    Pacific (and back).
    If a cruise was booked then war erupted in the canal area, would this be
    covered by the usual travel insurance, and what would be the position of
    the cruise lines?

    I assume some guidance could be taken by issues in the past around the
    route through the Suez Canal (and potentially in the future if shipping is >> attacked).

    I'm just trying to get my head around the issues at the moment.
    I was hoping to plan a "bucket list" cruise to the Pacific in the next
    year (possibly over the Xmas break) but should probably wait a few months.

    Under the US Constitution, only Congress has the power to declare war.
    We can but hope that they would not agree to an attack on Panama or any
    other place.

    But perhaps the Commander in Chief can order the troops on a
    "special military operation" without officially declaring war.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Colin Bignell on Wed Jan 22 11:15:04 2025
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
    On 21/01/2025 18:09, David wrote:

    Noting that the USA has made noises about "reclaiming" Panama but as far
    as I know the fleet hasn't sailed yet.

    A lot of cruises go through the Panama Canal, for example Europe to the
    Pacific (and back).
    If a cruise was booked then war erupted in the canal area, would this be
    covered by the usual travel insurance, and what would be the position of
    the cruise lines?

    I assume some guidance could be taken by issues in the past around the
    route through the Suez Canal (and potentially in the future if shipping is >> attacked).
    m
    I'm just trying to get my head around the issues at the moment.
    I was hoping to plan a "bucket list" cruise to the Pacific in the next
    year (possibly over the Xmas break) but should probably wait a few months.

    Under the US Constitution, only Congress has the power to declare war.

    But supposing Trump launched a ‘special military operation’ (à la Grenada)
    to regain the Panama Canal, would the US Congress need to approve that?

    We can but hope that they would not agree to an attack on Panama or any
    other place.

    Only time will tell.

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    Spike

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  • From David@21:1/5 to Vir Campestris on Wed Jan 22 13:18:41 2025
    On Wed, 22 Jan 2025 12:21:00 +0000, Vir Campestris wrote:

    On 21/01/2025 18:09, David wrote:
    I'm just trying to get my head around the issues at the moment.
    I was hoping to plan a "bucket list" cruise to the Pacific in the next
    year (possibly over the Xmas break) but should probably wait a few
    months.

    We had a cruise booked in the Med.

    It got cancelled. They had to replan their entire schedule when Suez
    became unsafe.

    Andy

    Presumably you were refunded or offered another cruise at a later date?

    Cheers



    Dave R

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  • From billy bookcase@21:1/5 to Colin Bignell on Wed Jan 22 13:43:57 2025
    "Colin Bignell" <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote in message news:glGdnYtMI7iJVg36nZ2dnZeNn_ednZ2d@giganews.com...
    On 21/01/2025 18:09, David wrote:
    Noting that the USA has made noises about "reclaiming" Panama but as far
    as I know the fleet hasn't sailed yet.

    A lot of cruises go through the Panama Canal, for example Europe to the
    Pacific (and back).
    If a cruise was booked then war erupted in the canal area, would this be
    covered by the usual travel insurance, and what would be the position of
    the cruise lines?

    I assume some guidance could be taken by issues in the past around the
    route through the Suez Canal (and potentially in the future if shipping is >> attacked).

    I'm just trying to get my head around the issues at the moment.
    I was hoping to plan a "bucket list" cruise to the Pacific in the next
    year (possibly over the Xmas break) but should probably wait a few months. >>
    Cheers



    Dave R



    Under the US Constitution, only Congress has the power to declare war. We can but hope
    that they would not agree to an attack on Panama or any other place.


    Congress has only declared war 11 times.

    Nos 9-11 being on June 3, 1942, when Roosevelt signed three final declarations war
    on the remaining Axis powers. Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania

    https://www.history.com/news/united-states-official-declarations-war

    At least that what it says on there.

    "The War on Drugs" clearly didn't figure either.


    bb

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