• TV Licence and Prosecution

    From RJH@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 25 11:37:43 2025
    According to Private Eye, 'the prospect of prosecution for not having a TV licence was removed'.

    Is this the case?

    https://www.private-eye.co.uk/media-news

    (Corporation tax: BBC licence fee, Issue 1641)
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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to RJH on Sat Jan 25 11:45:36 2025
    RJH wrote:

    According to Private Eye, 'the prospect of prosecution for not having a TV licence was removed'.

    Is this the case?
    The way I understand it (from a distance) is that you can get issued a
    £1k fine for not having a licence, then prosecuted for non-payment of
    the fine, eventually leading to a custodial sentence.

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sat Jan 25 11:49:43 2025
    On 25 Jan 2025 at 11:45:36 GMT, Andy Burns wrote:

    RJH wrote:

    According to Private Eye, 'the prospect of prosecution for not having a TV >> licence was removed'.

    Is this the case?
    The way I understand it (from a distance) is that you can get issued a
    £1k fine for not having a licence, then prosecuted for non-payment of
    the fine, eventually leading to a custodial sentence.

    Yes, that was my understanding - and plenty of media reports of recent prosecutions.

    PE is prone to bias, but not outright wrong . . .

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  • From Mark Goodge@21:1/5 to RJH on Sat Jan 25 18:08:16 2025
    On Sat, 25 Jan 2025 11:49:43 -0000 (UTC), RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:

    On 25 Jan 2025 at 11:45:36 GMT, Andy Burns wrote:

    RJH wrote:

    According to Private Eye, 'the prospect of prosecution for not having a TV >>> licence was removed'.

    Is this the case?
    The way I understand it (from a distance) is that you can get issued a
    £1k fine for not having a licence, then prosecuted for non-payment of
    the fine, eventually leading to a custodial sentence.

    Yes, that was my understanding - and plenty of media reports of recent >prosecutions.

    PE is prone to bias, but not outright wrong . . .

    I think they have got it wrong here. Or, at least, have a badly worded
    article.

    There have been numerous discussions about decriminalising licence fee non-payment, and instead making it a civil debt. But the government (neither this one nor its predecessor) hasn't taken any action to make that change. I suspect that the author of the piece in the Eye has misunderstood the
    current situation.

    Maybe you should write to the Eye and tell them you're cancelling your subscription.

    Mark

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  • From billy bookcase@21:1/5 to Mark Goodge on Sat Jan 25 20:07:06 2025
    "Mark Goodge" <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote in message news:9o9apj1f29h0pjjvvapfr0btl9op6p701t@4ax.com...
    On Sat, 25 Jan 2025 11:49:43 -0000 (UTC), RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:

    On 25 Jan 2025 at 11:45:36 GMT, Andy Burns wrote:

    RJH wrote:

    According to Private Eye, 'the prospect of prosecution for not having a TV >>>> licence was removed'.

    Is this the case?
    The way I understand it (from a distance) is that you can get issued a
    £1k fine for not having a licence, then prosecuted for non-payment of
    the fine, eventually leading to a custodial sentence.

    Yes, that was my understanding - and plenty of media reports of recent >>prosecutions.

    PE is prone to bias, but not outright wrong . . .

    I think they have got it wrong here. Or, at least, have a badly worded article.

    As things stand it's just plain wrong.

    Although possibly some BBC insiders are fearful of a situation whereby
    a well orchestrated campaign on social media and elsewhere, the
    Telegraph and Mail and Murdoch titles for one, results in a spate
    of non compliance such to render prosecution impractical.

    As it's nor as if there still aren't be sufficient unmarried mothers
    on benefits and wrinklies around, out there, to provide the stories.

    Whether its written by the regular "Remote Controller" or not, the very
    gist of the article, the multiplicity of providers makes it clear why
    there's never been any real role for a TV critic in "Private Eye".
    Nothing they're likely to say won't already have been said elsewhere
    either on paper of the net, and that's assuming that many readers
    have actually watched the programmes. They've even now started a
    film column.


    There have been numerous discussions about decriminalising licence fee non-payment, and instead making it a civil debt. But the government (neither this one nor its predecessor) hasn't taken any action to make that change. I suspect that the author of the piece in the Eye has misunderstood the
    current situation.

    The proposed solution, with the popular rubbish funded out of general taxation with the more ambitious projects funded by subscription seems the most realistic proposal, and is probably what Remote Controller's BBC source seems to be pushing for.

    Current funding difficulties are very well described in this article in
    today's Guardian. Where else.

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/jan/25/mark-rylance-took-significant-pay-cut-to-get-wolf-hall-made-director-tells-mps


    bb


    Maybe you should write to the Eye and tell them you're cancelling your subscription.

    Mark


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  • From billy bookcase@21:1/5 to RJH on Sat Jan 25 23:50:01 2025
    "RJH" <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote in message news:vn2j4n$2pm3h$1@dont-email.me...
    prosecutions.

    PE is prone to bias,

    Usually bias against the current party in power, either in Westminster or
    in Local Authorities Simply because the party in power has more opportunities to demonstrate any evident incompetence and hypocrisy,
    while getting their noses in the trough

    Along with the Liberals. For no particular reason apart from maybe
    Jeremy Thorpe ( Who he ? Ed. The only Liberal leader most people
    could name apart from Paddy Pantsdown)

    Along with the usual run of bonus-chasing tax-dodging hypocritical
    incompetents who grace our public life. In running everything from the
    Post Office to the University of West Neasden. And a bloke who
    runs caravan parks.

    but not outright wrong

    They're only ever as good as the inside sources who first bring them
    the stories.


    bb

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Jan 26 03:35:33 2025
    On 25/01/2025 11:45 AM, Andy Burns wrote:

    RJH wrote:

    According to Private Eye, 'the prospect of prosecution for not having
    a TV licence was removed'.

    Is this the case?

    Private Eye may not be the most immediately thought-of source for legal
    advice but this report has the ring of truth about it.

    The way I understand it (from a distance) is that you can get issued a
    £1k fine for not having a licence, then prosecuted for non-payment of
    the fine, eventually leading to a custodial sentence.

    Only a court can issue a fine, surely?

    The BBC certainly has no such power.

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  • From billy bookcase@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 26 08:41:26 2025
    "billy bookcase" <billy@anon.com> wrote in message news:SLqdnewMdY835Qj6nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...

    "RJH" <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote in message news:vn2j4n$2pm3h$1@dont-email.me...
    prosecutions.

    PE is prone to bias,

    Usually bias against the current party in power, either in Westminster or
    in Local Authorities Simply because the party in power has more opportunities to demonstrate any evident incompetence and hypocrisy,
    while getting their noses in the trough

    Along with the Liberals. For no particular reason apart from maybe
    Jeremy Thorpe ( Who he ? Ed. The only Liberal leader most people
    could name apart from Paddy Pantsdown)

    Sorry; that was meant to imply they usually ignore the Liberals
    Lib/Dems, but reads as meaning the complete the opposite. Because
    being permanently out of power except in the odd Council they get
    few opportunities for graft, corruption and manifest incompetence.
    While PE are usually only automatically opposed to the overly
    powerful or wealthy.

    While presumably people will indeed have heard of Nick Clegg, Dave's
    bag man. If only for the fact that as result of his sterling efforts
    on behalf of the Conservative Government he landed with a job with
    Facebook; only to get sacked last week.

    bb


    Along with the usual run of bonus-chasing tax-dodging hypocritical incompetents who grace our public life. In running everything from the
    Post Office to the University of West Neasden. And a bloke who
    runs caravan parks.

    but not outright wrong

    They're only ever as good as the inside sources who first bring them
    the stories.


    bb





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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to JNugent on Sun Jan 26 11:30:53 2025
    JNugent wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    The way I understand it (from a distance) is that you can get issued a
    £1k fine for not having a licence, then prosecuted for non-payment of
    the fine, eventually leading to a custodial sentence.

    Only a court can issue a fine, surely?
    The BBC certainly has no such power.

    TV Licensing brings the prosecutions, AIUI most are uncontested so it's
    an effective rubber-stamping by the magistrate to a fine ...

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  • From billy bookcase@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Jan 26 14:10:09 2025
    "Andy Burns" <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in message news:lvmkndF2beuU1@mid.individual.net...
    JNugent wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    The way I understand it (from a distance) is that you can get issued a
    £1k fine for not having a licence, then prosecuted for non-payment of
    the fine, eventually leading to a custodial sentence.

    Only a court can issue a fine, surely?
    The BBC certainly has no such power.

    TV Licensing brings the prosecutions, AIUI most are uncontested so it's an effective rubber-stamping by the magistrate to a fine ...

    Quite possibly the BBC decides on the overall policy and what groups to
    exclude from prosecution. While their statistics might indicate that
    following
    Brexit and the rise of populism, and possibly some discreet polling there's growng opposition to the Licence Fee all round.


    bb




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  • From Pancho@21:1/5 to billy bookcase on Sun Jan 26 14:18:25 2025
    On 1/26/25 14:10, billy bookcase wrote:

    Quite possibly the BBC decides on the overall policy and what groups to exclude from prosecution. While their statistics might indicate that following
    Brexit and the rise of populism, and possibly some discreet polling there's growng opposition to the Licence Fee all round.


    I genuinely watch no broadcast TV, or live TV, I didn't stop paying the
    licence fee because of my growing opposition, I just figured, what is
    the point.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Jan 26 15:57:45 2025
    On 26/01/2025 11:30 AM, Andy Burns wrote:

    JNugent wrote:
    Andy Burns wrote:

    The way I understand it (from a distance) is that you can get issued a
    £1k fine for not having a licence, then prosecuted for non-payment of
    the fine, eventually leading to a custodial sentence.

    Only a court can issue a fine, surely?
    The BBC certainly has no such power.

    TV Licensing brings the prosecutions, AIUI most are uncontested so it's
    an effective rubber-stamping by the magistrate to a fine ...

    The magistrate...

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  • From Pamela@21:1/5 to Pancho on Sun Jan 26 15:24:56 2025
    On 14:18 26 Jan 2025, Pancho said:
    On 1/26/25 14:10, billy bookcase wrote:

    Quite possibly the BBC decides on the overall policy and what groups
    to exclude from prosecution. While their statistics might indicate
    that following Brexit and the rise of populism, and possibly some
    discreet polling there's growng opposition to the Licence Fee all
    round.


    I genuinely watch no broadcast TV, or live TV, I didn't stop paying
    the licence fee because of my growing opposition, I just figured, what
    is the point.

    I too genuinely watch no broadcast TV, or live TV. I did stop paying the TV licence. Why would you continue to pay? Have I misunderstood your post?

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  • From Pancho@21:1/5 to Pamela on Sun Jan 26 19:19:44 2025
    On 1/26/25 15:24, Pamela wrote:
    On 14:18 26 Jan 2025, Pancho said:
    On 1/26/25 14:10, billy bookcase wrote:

    Quite possibly the BBC decides on the overall policy and what groups
    to exclude from prosecution. While their statistics might indicate
    that following Brexit and the rise of populism, and possibly some
    discreet polling there's growng opposition to the Licence Fee all
    round.


    I genuinely watch no broadcast TV, or live TV, I didn't stop paying
    the licence fee because of my growing opposition, I just figured, what
    is the point.

    I too genuinely watch no broadcast TV, or live TV. I did stop paying the TV licence. Why would you continue to pay? Have I misunderstood your post?


    Yeah, I stopped paying, but not because of my growing opposition. There
    was just no point.

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