I'd like to sue overflyers in my designated airspace (up to 500' I
believe)
On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 21:32:25 +0000, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca>
wrote:
Amazon seem to be starting off on the right footing and appear to be >>working with the appropriate authorities to set up a basis for
operating a drone delivery system. >><https://www.aboutamazon.co.uk/news/innovation/amazon-first-drone-delivery-uk-prime-air-location>
But after the experiences of flouted laws over e-scooters and e-bikes
I wonder if our peace and quiet and our airspace are both going to be >>shattered in the name of commercial expediency? Whilst I suspect >>infringements by commercial drones will mostly be ignored by those who >>ought to be there to enforce them, I don't see much likelihood that
rules preventing me from shooting down drones that enter my lower
stratum airspace will be relaxed in any way in return.
I'd like to sue overflyers in my designated airspace (up to 500' I
believe) for trespass but the effort involved and the tiny amount of >>compensation I am likely to earn doesn't seem to make that worthwhile.
But I wonder if there is another way?
In the manner of Private Car Park operators, I wonder if I can
designate my property as a Drone Park, set up a payment machine -
complete with my terms and conditions printed on the side - and send
the equivalent of a PCN each time my sky-facing camera records a drone >>entering my airspace and leaving again without paying? That surely
ought to bring in a bob or two.
How do you propose identifying the recipient of the PCN equivalent?
Nick Odell wrote:
I'd like to sue overflyers in my designated airspace (up to 500' I
believe)
I think you'll find you don't have any.
Despite the CAA re-writing the drone code several times in recent years,
it's still garbled, with documents that start off saying you can't do X,
Y or Z, then several paragraphs later they go on to say unless the drone
is sub 250g.
<https://register-drones.caa.co.uk/drone-code/where-you-can-fly>
Basically, most hobby drones can't fly above 400', or over crowds, or
over banned places (stadiums, airports, prisons) and temporary
restrictions that pop-up up every few days e.g. accident sites, crime
scenes or royalty.
Well, these will be transport drones with a payload initially of IIRCThey won't be using the open (class A1/class A3) rules.
2.5kg and it seems hard to imagine how they are going to keep within
the light aircraft regulations whilst obeying the drone regulations
whilst still making deliveries to properties that may not have the
privilege of being 50m outside built-up areas. Something will have to
give and I suspect that something will be the long-suffering public.
Nick Odell wrote:
Well, these will be transport drones with a payload initially ofThey won't be using the open (class A1/class A3) rules.
IIRC 2.5kg and it seems hard to imagine how they are going to keep
within the light aircraft regulations whilst obeying the drone
regulations whilst still making deliveries to properties that may
not have the privilege of being 50m outside built-up areas.
Something will have to give and I suspect that something will be
the long-suffering public.
I don't have a drone, but I keep hearing murmuring from the hobbyists
that what they're allowed to so is/will be curtailed, in expectation
that big boys like amazon will be allowed to do more under different
classes (for a price?)
I am not a drone operator, and as I was leaving my local Tesco's today,
I noticed a drone hovering and moving around over an adjacent
construction site. Well within the boundaries of the town, if that is relevant. It might have been owned by the construction company, it
might have been owned by a regional TV company, but how do you find
out?
Was it legal?
Davey wrote:
I am not a drone operator, and as I was leaving my local Tesco's
today, I noticed a drone hovering and moving around over an adjacent construction site. Well within the boundaries of the town, if that
is relevant. It might have been owned by the construction company,
it might have been owned by a regional TV company, but how do you
find out?
In the USA, the FAA requires heavier than 250g drones to broadcast
their ID and location. Here the CAA has held a consultation on a
similar system, don't know what the result was ...
Was it legal?
Was it likely to be lighter than 250g? Roughly speaking would it fit
in your hand?
<https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0541/0324/4969/files/dji-mini-4-pro-battery.jpg?v=1695560828>
Well, these will be transport drones with a payload initially of IIRC
2.5kg and it seems hard to imagine how they are going to keep within
the light aircraft regulations whilst obeying the drone regulations
whilst still making deliveries to properties that may not have the
privilege of being 50m outside built-up areas. Something will have to
give and I suspect that something will be the long-suffering public.
In message <v2ikpj586irqhj3jbt7sknhdp19sg6ea6j@4ax.com>, at 15:30:30 on
Wed, 29 Jan 2025, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> remarked:
Well, these will be transport drones with a payload initially of IIRC
2.5kg and it seems hard to imagine how they are going to keep within
the light aircraft regulations whilst obeying the drone regulations
whilst still making deliveries to properties that may not have the
privilege of being 50m outside built-up areas. Something will have to
give and I suspect that something will be the long-suffering public.
The problem with the drones is they are designed to land on half-acre manicured lawns in front of millionaire's mansions in good-weather California.
Not only don't I have a front lawn (just a small patch of bark to keep
the weeds down) but it's got phone cables** strung overhead. Near-
neighbours have overhead 240v power lines from poles to each of their
houses.
Now try to do any of this in a 50mph wind, or lashing rain.
** OK, since six months ago, fibre.
On 30/01/2025 12:49, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <v2ikpj586irqhj3jbt7sknhdp19sg6ea6j@4ax.com>, at 15:30:30 on
Wed, 29 Jan 2025, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> remarked:
Well, these will be transport drones with a payload initially of IIRC
2.5kg and it seems hard to imagine how they are going to keep within
the light aircraft regulations whilst obeying the drone regulations
whilst still making deliveries to properties that may not have the
privilege of being 50m outside built-up areas. Something will have to
give and I suspect that something will be the long-suffering public.
The problem with the drones is they are designed to land on half-acre
manicured lawns in front of millionaire's mansions in good-weather
California.
That's just low-hanging fruit, not a red line.
Not only don't I have a front lawn (just a small patch of bark to keep
the weeds down) but it's got phone cables** strung overhead. Near-
neighbours have overhead 240v power lines from poles to each of their
houses.
Now try to do any of this in a 50mph wind, or lashing rain.
** OK, since six months ago, fibre.
Exactly.
Let civilisation catch up with you even further then, and it will all be okay.
The problem with the drones is they are designed to land on half-acre manicured lawns in front of millionaire's mansions in good-weather California.
Roland Perry wrote:
[quoted text muted]
This BBC video doesn't show it landing, just ejecting the package from considerable height ...
In the USA, the FAA requires heavier than 250g drones to broadcast
their ID and location. Here the CAA has held a consultation on a
similar system, don't know what the result was ...
Was it legal?
Was it likely to be lighter than 250g?
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 14:58:30 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
[quoted text muted]
This BBC video doesn't show it landing, just ejecting the package
from considerable height ...
Shades of the gag about Royal Mail introducing a third class parcel
service ... it's called the drop kick.
The problem with the drones is they are designed to land on half-acre
manicured lawns in front of millionaire's mansions in good-weather
California.
That's just low-hanging fruit, not a red line.
Not only don't I have a front lawn (just a small patch of bark to keep
the weeds down) but it's got phone cables** strung overhead. Near-
neighbours have overhead 240v power lines from poles to each of their
houses.
Now try to do any of this in a 50mph wind, or lashing rain.
** OK, since six months ago, fibre.
Exactly.
Let civilisation catch up with you even further then, and it will all be
okay.
Are you supposing that the fibre is not on the same poles?
Roland Perry wrote:
The problem with the drones is they are designed to land on half-acre >>manicured lawns in front of millionaire's mansions in good-weather >>California.
This BBC video doesn't show it landing, just ejecting the package from >considerable height ... given the diameter of the drone seems to be
larger than a man's height, guessing 20' drop or so?
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67132527>
On 30 Jan 2025 at 13:10:52 GMT, "Norman Wells" <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 30/01/2025 12:49, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <v2ikpj586irqhj3jbt7sknhdp19sg6ea6j@4ax.com>, at 15:30:30 on
Wed, 29 Jan 2025, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> remarked:
Well, these will be transport drones with a payload initially of IIRC
2.5kg and it seems hard to imagine how they are going to keep within
the light aircraft regulations whilst obeying the drone regulations
whilst still making deliveries to properties that may not have the
privilege of being 50m outside built-up areas. Something will have to
give and I suspect that something will be the long-suffering public.
The problem with the drones is they are designed to land on half-acre
manicured lawns in front of millionaire's mansions in good-weather
California.
That's just low-hanging fruit, not a red line.
Not only don't I have a front lawn (just a small patch of bark to keep
the weeds down) but it's got phone cables** strung overhead. Near-
neighbours have overhead 240v power lines from poles to each of their
houses.
Now try to do any of this in a 50mph wind, or lashing rain.
** OK, since six months ago, fibre.
Exactly.
Let civilisation catch up with you even further then, and it will all be
okay.
Are you supposing that the fibre is not on the same poles?
On 30/01/2025 14:40, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 30 Jan 2025 at 13:10:52 GMT, "Norman Wells" <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 30/01/2025 12:49, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <v2ikpj586irqhj3jbt7sknhdp19sg6ea6j@4ax.com>, at 15:30:30 on >>>> Wed, 29 Jan 2025, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> remarked:
Well, these will be transport drones with a payload initially of IIRC >>>>> 2.5kg and it seems hard to imagine how they are going to keep within >>>>> the light aircraft regulations whilst obeying the drone regulations
whilst still making deliveries to properties that may not have the
privilege of being 50m outside built-up areas. Something will have to >>>>> give and I suspect that something will be the long-suffering public.
The problem with the drones is they are designed to land on half-acre
manicured lawns in front of millionaire's mansions in good-weather
California.
That's just low-hanging fruit, not a red line.
Not only don't I have a front lawn (just a small patch of bark to keep >>>> the weeds down) but it's got phone cables** strung overhead. Near-
neighbours have overhead 240v power lines from poles to each of their
houses.
Now try to do any of this in a 50mph wind, or lashing rain.
** OK, since six months ago, fibre.
Exactly.
Let civilisation catch up with you even further then, and it will all be >>> okay.
Are you supposing that the fibre is not on the same poles?
That may be 'normal for Norfolk' perhaps. But it doesn't always have to
be that way.
In message <m01iciFpvo0U1@mid.individual.net>, at 14:58:30 on Thu, 30
Jan 2025, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
The problem with the drones is they are designed to land on half-acre
manicured lawns in front of millionaire's mansions in good-weather
California.
This BBC video doesn't show it landing, just ejecting the package from
considerable height ... given the diameter of the drone seems to be
larger than a man's height, guessing 20' drop or so?
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67132527>
"The drone requires plenty of clear space to drop a parcel 12 feet to
the ground."
The phone cables are higher than that. My front garden is reasonably
empty, but next door's is full of plants. Across the street doesn't have
one, because the front door leads directly to the pavement.
On 30 Jan 2025 at 14:48:06 GMT, "Norman Wells" <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 30/01/2025 14:40, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 30 Jan 2025 at 13:10:52 GMT, "Norman Wells" <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote: >>>
On 30/01/2025 12:49, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <v2ikpj586irqhj3jbt7sknhdp19sg6ea6j@4ax.com>, at 15:30:30 on >>>>> Wed, 29 Jan 2025, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> remarked:
Well, these will be transport drones with a payload initially of IIRC >>>>>> 2.5kg and it seems hard to imagine how they are going to keep within >>>>>> the light aircraft regulations whilst obeying the drone regulations >>>>>> whilst still making deliveries to properties that may not have the >>>>>> privilege of being 50m outside built-up areas. Something will have to >>>>>> give and I suspect that something will be the long-suffering public. >>>>>The problem with the drones is they are designed to land on half-acre >>>>> manicured lawns in front of millionaire's mansions in good-weather
California.
That's just low-hanging fruit, not a red line.
Not only don't I have a front lawn (just a small patch of bark to keep >>>>> the weeds down) but it's got phone cables** strung overhead. Near-
neighbours have overhead 240v power lines from poles to each of their >>>>> houses.
Now try to do any of this in a 50mph wind, or lashing rain.
** OK, since six months ago, fibre.
Exactly.
Let civilisation catch up with you even further then, and it will all be >>>> okay.
Are you supposing that the fibre is not on the same poles?
That may be 'normal for Norfolk' perhaps. But it doesn't always have to
be that way.
It is normal for rural areas.
On 30/01/2025 17:43, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 30 Jan 2025 at 14:48:06 GMT, "Norman Wells" <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 30/01/2025 14:40, Roger Hayter wrote:
Let civilisation catch up with you even further then, and it will all be >>>>> okay.
Are you supposing that the fibre is not on the same poles?
That may be 'normal for Norfolk' perhaps. But it doesn't always have to >>> be that way.
It is normal for rural areas.
Then they'll miss out until they catch up.
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 19:15:06 +0000, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 30/01/2025 17:43, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 30 Jan 2025 at 14:48:06 GMT, "Norman Wells" <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote: >>>
On 30/01/2025 14:40, Roger Hayter wrote:
Let civilisation catch up with you even further then, and it will all be >>>>>> okay.
Are you supposing that the fibre is not on the same poles?
That may be 'normal for Norfolk' perhaps. But it doesn't always have to >>>> be that way.
It is normal for rural areas.
Then they'll miss out until they catch up.
Miss out on what? Fibre on poles is a lot cheaper than digging up the pavement if there isn't already a conduit installed.
Mark
On 30 Jan 2025 at 21:35:46 GMT, "Mark Goodge" <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 19:15:06 +0000, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:> >>> On 30/01/2025 17:43, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 30 Jan 2025 at 14:48:06 GMT, "Norman Wells" <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote: >>>>> On 30/01/2025 14:40, Roger Hayter wrote:
Let civilisation catch up with you even further then, and it will all be
okay.
Are you supposing that the fibre is not on the same poles?
That may be 'normal for Norfolk' perhaps. But it doesn't always have to >>>>> be that way.
It is normal for rural areas.
Then they'll miss out until they catch up.
Miss out on what? Fibre on poles is a lot cheaper than digging up the
pavement if there isn't already a conduit installed.
Mark
Yes, if Norman wants to start a one person campaign to bury cables he could consider, rather than interfering with our domestic arrangements, demanding the burial of 132 Kv interconnects, especially up the Severn valley.
The problem with the drones is they are designed to land on
half-acre manicured lawns in front of millionaire's mansions in >>>>good-weather California.
This BBC video doesn't show it landing, just ejecting the package
from considerable height ... given the diameter of the drone seems
to be larger than a man's height, guessing 20' drop or so?
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67132527>
"The drone requires plenty of clear space to drop a parcel 12 feet
to the ground."
The phone cables are higher than that. My front garden is reasonably >>empty, but next door's is full of plants. Across the street doesn't
have one, because the front door leads directly to the pavement.
Well, that's too bad. It's certainly no reason why drone delivery
should not be available to those who can receive it, is it?
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 19:15:06 +0000, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 30/01/2025 17:43, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 30 Jan 2025 at 14:48:06 GMT, "Norman Wells" <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote: >>>
On 30/01/2025 14:40, Roger Hayter wrote:
Let civilisation catch up with you even further then, and it will all be >>>>>> okay.
Are you supposing that the fibre is not on the same poles?
That may be 'normal for Norfolk' perhaps. But it doesn't always have to >>>> be that way.
It is normal for rural areas.
Then they'll miss out until they catch up.
Miss out on what? Fibre on poles is a lot cheaper than digging up the >pavement if there isn't already a conduit installed.
In message <m021j1Fs0acU2@mid.individual.net>, at 19:17:52 on Thu, 30
Jan 2025, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
The problem with the drones is they are designed to land on half-
acre manicured lawns in front of millionaire's mansions in good-
weather California.
This BBC video doesn't show it landing, just ejecting the package
from considerable height ... given the diameter of the drone seems
to be larger than a man's height, guessing 20' drop or so?
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67132527>
"The drone requires plenty of clear space to drop a parcel 12 feet
to the ground."
The phone cables are higher than that. My front garden is reasonably
empty, but next door's is full of plants. Across the street doesn't
have one, because the front door leads directly to the pavement.
Well, that's too bad. It's certainly no reason why drone delivery
should not be available to those who can receive it, is it?
"Let them deliver to cake-eaters"
It's certainly no reason why drone delivery should not be available
to those who can receive it, is it?
"Let them deliver to cake-eaters"
Does that address the point?
In message <m03f6hF4mnkU1@mid.individual.net>, at 08:16:16 on Fri, 31
Jan 2025, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
It's certainly no reason why drone delivery should not be available
to those who can receive it, is it?
"Let them deliver to cake-eaters"
Does that address the point?
Yes, the analogy being "if your property is unsuitable for drone
delivery, buy one with a large lawn".
In message <m01iciFpvo0U1@mid.individual.net>, at 14:58:30 on Thu, 30
Jan 2025, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
The problem with the drones is they are designed to land on half-acre >>>manicured lawns in front of millionaire's mansions in good-weather >>>California.
This BBC video doesn't show it landing, just ejecting the package from >>considerable height ... given the diameter of the drone seems to be
larger than a man's height, guessing 20' drop or so?
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67132527>
"The drone requires plenty of clear space to drop a parcel 12 feet to
the ground."
On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 17:06:52 +0000, Roland Perry wrote:
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67132527>
that drone looks pretty big at least 5foot across i'd say.
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