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  • Should Europe consider a military alliance with China?

    From Roger Hayter@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 19 19:48:12 2025
    seeing that Trump appears to want to make such an alliance with Russia.


    The Chinese could hardly be more perfidious than the Americans, let alone the Russians. And we could offer them strategic moral support, say regarding Taiwan.


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    Roger Hayter

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  • From miked@21:1/5 to Roger Hayter on Thu Feb 20 00:18:25 2025
    On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 19:48:12 +0000, Roger Hayter wrote:

    seeing that Trump appears to want to make such an alliance with Russia.


    The Chinese could hardly be more perfidious than the Americans, let
    alone the
    Russians. And we could offer them strategic moral support, say regarding Taiwan.


    I dont think that China would or could protect EU from russia, although
    it might welcome the EU as an ally against trump. China and Russia are
    too strongly aligned to be prized apart by trumps overtures and
    concessions to Putin. I'm sure theyr both overjoyed to see trump
    attacking americas friends and allies. It can only increase their own
    influence and diminish that of the USA.

    mike

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to Roger Hayter on Thu Feb 20 11:15:59 2025
    On 19/02/2025 19:48, Roger Hayter wrote:
    seeing that Trump appears to want to make such an alliance with Russia.

    Now that Trump is Putin's poodle he won't be needing to use the UK as an unsinkable aircraft carrier for BMEWS Site 3 (aka RAF Fylingdales).

    Greenland should also throw the US military out of Thule BMEWS Site 1
    for the same reasons (now called Site J).

    Since Trump is so transactional we might have some leverage if the
    threat to do this was made with sufficient vigour. Although it is
    entirely possible that he is now so delusional that he thinks Putin is
    his friend (or maybe he really is the Manchurian candidate writ large).
    But with a Russian ex-KGB puppet master rather than a Chinese one.

    The Chinese could hardly be more perfidious than the Americans, let alone the Russians. And we could offer them strategic moral support, say regarding Taiwan.

    I fully expect Trump next to offer to sell the Taiwanese down the
    river/"across the straits". He seems to like dealing real estate.

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    Martin Brown

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  • From Roger Hayter@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 20 12:05:41 2025
    On 20 Feb 2025 at 11:15:59 GMT, "Martin Brown" <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

    On 19/02/2025 19:48, Roger Hayter wrote:
    seeing that Trump appears to want to make such an alliance with Russia.

    Now that Trump is Putin's poodle he won't be needing to use the UK as an unsinkable aircraft carrier for BMEWS Site 3 (aka RAF Fylingdales).

    Greenland should also throw the US military out of Thule BMEWS Site 1
    for the same reasons (now called Site J).

    Since Trump is so transactional we might have some leverage if the
    threat to do this was made with sufficient vigour. Although it is
    entirely possible that he is now so delusional that he thinks Putin is
    his friend (or maybe he really is the Manchurian candidate writ large).
    But with a Russian ex-KGB puppet master rather than a Chinese one.

    The Chinese could hardly be more perfidious than the Americans, let alone the
    Russians. And we could offer them strategic moral support, say regarding
    Taiwan.

    I fully expect Trump next to offer to sell the Taiwanese down the river/"across the straits". He seems to like dealing real estate.

    To be fair, isn't the state of Taiwan merely an artefact of America's military protection of the remnants of Kuomintang after the Chinese revolution? Not really been a country with a long and proud history since then.

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    Roger Hayter

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  • From Ottavio Caruso@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 20 15:13:34 2025
    Op 19/02/2025 om 19:48 schreef Roger Hayter:
    seeing that Trump appears to want to make such an alliance with Russia.


    The Chinese could hardly be more perfidious than the Americans, let alone the Russians. And we could offer them strategic moral support, say regarding Taiwan.



    No.

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    Ottavio Caruso

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