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    From The Todal@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 5 09:27:41 2025
    According to the Times today.

    Former newsreader has been asked ‘many times’ to return wages he
    received while suspended before pleading guilty to making indecent
    images of children, MPs told.

    Huw Edwards, the former newsreader, has not paid back the £200,000 he
    earned between his arrest and resignation, the chairman of the BBC has
    said. Edwards, 63, was given a suspended prison sentence last year
    after admitting that he had accessed indecent images of children as
    young as seven. After his guilty plea, the BBC asked him to return the
    pay he received between his arrest in November 2023 and his resignation
    in April last year.

    unquote

    I would expect Edwards to have taken legal advice and to have been
    advised that he is under no obligation to return the money, unless there
    is some clause in his contract requiring him to do so. His career is at
    an end, he has lost his livelihood and whilst he has committed crimes,
    there seems to be no suggestion that he did not perform his BBC duties
    properly and well.

    It is rather undignified of the BBC to plead with him to "do the right
    thing" rather than to leave it to the lawyers. And if he were to pay
    back the money it would not cause people to admire him more, so what's
    the point?

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  • From Roger Hayter@21:1/5 to The Todal on Wed Mar 5 10:50:50 2025
    On 5 Mar 2025 at 09:27:41 GMT, "The Todal" <the_todal@icloud.com> wrote:

    According to the Times today.

    Former newsreader has been asked ‘many times’ to return wages he
    received while suspended before pleading guilty to making indecent
    images of children, MPs told.

    Huw Edwards, the former newsreader, has not paid back the £200,000 he
    earned between his arrest and resignation, the chairman of the BBC has
    said. Edwards, 63, was given a suspended prison sentence last year
    after admitting that he had accessed indecent images of children as
    young as seven. After his guilty plea, the BBC asked him to return the
    pay he received between his arrest in November 2023 and his resignation
    in April last year.

    unquote

    I would expect Edwards to have taken legal advice and to have been
    advised that he is under no obligation to return the money, unless there
    is some clause in his contract requiring him to do so. His career is at
    an end, he has lost his livelihood and whilst he has committed crimes,
    there seems to be no suggestion that he did not perform his BBC duties properly and well.

    It is rather undignified of the BBC to plead with him to "do the right
    thing" rather than to leave it to the lawyers. And if he were to pay
    back the money it would not cause people to admire him more, so what's
    the point?

    Yes. I suspect it is the BBC doing the virtue signalling. Getting the licence payers onside.

    --

    Roger Hayter

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to The Todal on Wed Mar 5 12:55:53 2025
    On 5 Mar 2025 at 09:27:41 GMT, The Todal wrote:

    According to the Times today.

    Former newsreader has been asked ‘many times’ to return wages he
    received while suspended before pleading guilty to making indecent
    images of children, MPs told.

    Huw Edwards, the former newsreader, has not paid back the £200,000 he
    earned between his arrest and resignation, the chairman of the BBC has
    said. Edwards, 63, was given a suspended prison sentence last year
    after admitting that he had accessed indecent images of children as
    young as seven. After his guilty plea, the BBC asked him to return the
    pay he received between his arrest in November 2023 and his resignation
    in April last year.

    unquote

    I would expect Edwards to have taken legal advice and to have been
    advised that he is under no obligation to return the money, unless there
    is some clause in his contract requiring him to do so. His career is at
    an end, he has lost his livelihood and whilst he has committed crimes,
    there seems to be no suggestion that he did not perform his BBC duties properly and well.

    It is rather undignified of the BBC to plead with him to "do the right
    thing" rather than to leave it to the lawyers. And if he were to pay
    back the money it would not cause people to admire him more, so what's
    the point?

    I think Edwards has lost any shred of dignity he once had. To return money he didn't earn is the least he should do. I dread to think what his family and friends think of him - if they associate with him at all, that is.

    --
    Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

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  • From Peter Walker@21:1/5 to The Todal on Wed Mar 5 13:32:18 2025
    The Todal <the_todal@icloud.com> wrote in news:m2qjodFoj9lU1 @mid.individual.net:


    It is rather undignified of the BBC to plead with him to "do the right
    thing" rather than to leave it to the lawyers. And if he were to pay
    back the money it would not cause people to admire him more, so what's
    the point?


    I couldn't agree more, "suspension with pay" is suspension with pay as per contract and I imagine he was bound by other terms of contract during that period that precluded outside activities too. To retain that pay is an
    obvoius and unambiguous right that any accused person should be entitled
    to. The reason for the suspension should have no effect on the so called morality or otherwise of the retention of pay, however unsavoury.

    Parallels with police pay on suspension under very serious circumstances
    noted.

    Btw: not sure if you are aware but it looks like you are copying and
    pasting subject headlines directly from news web pages which include
    formatting that can upset some newsreaders. Is it possible you could copy
    these to a benign environment (such as a text editor) before re-copying to
    the Subject line? That should lose the formatting.

    eg. this is how your current subject line appears to me:

    Re: =?UTF-8?Q?Huw_Edwards_=E2=80=98refuses_to_repay_=C2=A3200=2C000_to_?= =?UTF-8?B?QkJD4oCZ?=

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  • From Jon Ribbens@21:1/5 to Peter Walker on Wed Mar 5 13:37:10 2025
    On 2025-03-05, Peter Walker <not@for.mail> wrote:
    Btw: not sure if you are aware but it looks like you are copying and
    pasting subject headlines directly from news web pages which include formatting that can upset some newsreaders. Is it possible you could copy these to a benign environment (such as a text editor) before re-copying to the Subject line? That should lose the formatting.

    eg. this is how your current subject line appears to me:

    Re: =?UTF-8?Q?Huw_Edwards_=E2=80=98refuses_to_repay_=C2=A3200=2C000_to_?=
    =?UTF-8?B?QkJD4oCZ?=

    It's not formatting, so cut'n'pasting via a text editor wouldn't help.
    The non-ASCII characters must be removed or replaced manually. (In this
    case, single quotes and the pound sign, but other common ones are double
    quotes and hyphens.)

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  • From Fredxx@21:1/5 to RJH on Wed Mar 5 13:13:55 2025
    On 05/03/2025 12:55, RJH wrote:
    On 5 Mar 2025 at 09:27:41 GMT, The Todal wrote:

    According to the Times today.

    Former newsreader has been asked ‘many times’ to return wages he
    received while suspended before pleading guilty to making indecent
    images of children, MPs told.

    Huw Edwards, the former newsreader, has not paid back the £200,000 he
    earned between his arrest and resignation, the chairman of the BBC has
    said. Edwards, 63, was given a suspended prison sentence last year
    after admitting that he had accessed indecent images of children as
    young as seven. After his guilty plea, the BBC asked him to return the
    pay he received between his arrest in November 2023 and his resignation
    in April last year.

    unquote

    I would expect Edwards to have taken legal advice and to have been
    advised that he is under no obligation to return the money, unless there
    is some clause in his contract requiring him to do so. His career is at
    an end, he has lost his livelihood and whilst he has committed crimes,
    there seems to be no suggestion that he did not perform his BBC duties
    properly and well.

    It is rather undignified of the BBC to plead with him to "do the right
    thing" rather than to leave it to the lawyers. And if he were to pay
    back the money it would not cause people to admire him more, so what's
    the point?

    I think Edwards has lost any shred of dignity he once had. To return money he didn't earn is the least he should do. I dread to think what his family and friends think of him - if they associate with him at all, that is.

    You don't earn your pension yet you will accept it as is your
    contractual right.

    Huw Edwards has every right to retain his pay. I don't understand why
    people think they are exempt from the same accepted rule as indeed
    pensioners do, especially when he was suspended by the BBC. He did the
    decent thing and resigned.

    The BBC are now telling any future criminals on their books not to
    resign, or if they do there is a non-blame/disclosure agreement.

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  • From Roger Hayter@21:1/5 to RJH on Wed Mar 5 13:22:13 2025
    On 5 Mar 2025 at 12:55:53 GMT, "RJH" <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:

    On 5 Mar 2025 at 09:27:41 GMT, The Todal wrote:

    According to the Times today.

    Former newsreader has been asked ‘many times’ to return wages he
    received while suspended before pleading guilty to making indecent
    images of children, MPs told.

    Huw Edwards, the former newsreader, has not paid back the £200,000 he
    earned between his arrest and resignation, the chairman of the BBC has
    said. Edwards, 63, was given a suspended prison sentence last year
    after admitting that he had accessed indecent images of children as
    young as seven. After his guilty plea, the BBC asked him to return the
    pay he received between his arrest in November 2023 and his resignation
    in April last year.

    unquote

    I would expect Edwards to have taken legal advice and to have been
    advised that he is under no obligation to return the money, unless there
    is some clause in his contract requiring him to do so. His career is at
    an end, he has lost his livelihood and whilst he has committed crimes,
    there seems to be no suggestion that he did not perform his BBC duties
    properly and well.

    It is rather undignified of the BBC to plead with him to "do the right
    thing" rather than to leave it to the lawyers. And if he were to pay
    back the money it would not cause people to admire him more, so what's
    the point?

    I think Edwards has lost any shred of dignity he once had. To return money he didn't earn is the least he should do. I dread to think what his family and friends think of him - if they associate with him at all, that is.

    He earned it because he was entitled to it during his suspension. There is presumably nothing in his contract to entitle the BBC to reclaim it. Why do
    you think that this contract should not be enforced? It is not, for instance, common for misconduct by companies who go broke to result in their debtors being released from their contract. If companies want employees to pay back money because of personal misconduct they should put it in the contract; it is not after all a particularly rare event.

    --

    Roger Hayter

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  • From The Todal@21:1/5 to Peter Walker on Wed Mar 5 16:45:01 2025
    On 05/03/2025 13:32, Peter Walker wrote:
    The Todal <the_todal@icloud.com> wrote in news:m2qjodFoj9lU1 @mid.individual.net:


    It is rather undignified of the BBC to plead with him to "do the right
    thing" rather than to leave it to the lawyers. And if he were to pay
    back the money it would not cause people to admire him more, so what's
    the point?


    I couldn't agree more, "suspension with pay" is suspension with pay as per contract and I imagine he was bound by other terms of contract during that period that precluded outside activities too. To retain that pay is an obvoius and unambiguous right that any accused person should be entitled
    to. The reason for the suspension should have no effect on the so called morality or otherwise of the retention of pay, however unsavoury.

    Parallels with police pay on suspension under very serious circumstances noted.

    Btw: not sure if you are aware but it looks like you are copying and
    pasting subject headlines directly from news web pages which include formatting that can upset some newsreaders. Is it possible you could copy these to a benign environment (such as a text editor) before re-copying to the Subject line? That should lose the formatting.

    eg. this is how your current subject line appears to me:

    Re: =?UTF-8?Q?Huw_Edwards_=E2=80=98refuses_to_repay_=C2=A3200=2C000_to_?= =?UTF-8?B?QkJD4oCZ?=


    My apologies to all those who have newsreaders that cannot display the
    pound sign. I hope you nevertheless were able to read the post. I should
    have replaced the pound sign with UKP or similar.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to The Todal on Wed Mar 5 15:52:25 2025
    On 05/03/2025 09:27 AM, The Todal wrote:

    According to the Times today.

    Former newsreader has been asked ‘many times’ to return wages he
    received while suspended before pleading guilty to making indecent
    images of children, MPs told.

    Huw Edwards, the former newsreader, has not paid back the £200,000 he
    earned between his arrest and resignation, the chairman of the BBC has
    said. Edwards, 63, was given a suspended prison sentence last year
    after admitting that he had accessed indecent images of children as
    young as seven. After his guilty plea, the BBC asked him to return the
    pay he received between his arrest in November 2023 and his resignation
    in April last year.

    unquote

    I would expect Edwards to have taken legal advice and to have been
    advised that he is under no obligation to return the money, unless there
    is some clause in his contract requiring him to do so. His career is at
    an end, he has lost his livelihood and whilst he has committed crimes,
    there seems to be no suggestion that he did not perform his BBC duties properly and well.

    It is rather undignified of the BBC to plead with him to "do the right
    thing" rather than to leave it to the lawyers. And if he were to pay
    back the money it would not cause people to admire him more, so what's
    the point?

    Exactly right.

    This sounds like a bit of "performance" by the BBC, perhaps hoping that
    some will forget about the Beeb's own failures in that area.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to RJH on Wed Mar 5 15:54:07 2025
    On 05/03/2025 12:55 PM, RJH wrote:

    On 5 Mar 2025 at 09:27:41 GMT, The Todal wrote:

    According to the Times today.

    Former newsreader has been asked ‘many times’ to return wages he
    received while suspended before pleading guilty to making indecent
    images of children, MPs told.

    Huw Edwards, the former newsreader, has not paid back the £200,000 he
    earned between his arrest and resignation, the chairman of the BBC has
    said. Edwards, 63, was given a suspended prison sentence last year
    after admitting that he had accessed indecent images of children as
    young as seven. After his guilty plea, the BBC asked him to return the
    pay he received between his arrest in November 2023 and his resignation
    in April last year.

    unquote

    I would expect Edwards to have taken legal advice and to have been
    advised that he is under no obligation to return the money, unless there
    is some clause in his contract requiring him to do so. His career is at
    an end, he has lost his livelihood and whilst he has committed crimes,
    there seems to be no suggestion that he did not perform his BBC duties
    properly and well.

    It is rather undignified of the BBC to plead with him to "do the right
    thing" rather than to leave it to the lawyers. And if he were to pay
    back the money it would not cause people to admire him more, so what's
    the point?

    I think Edwards has lost any shred of dignity he once had. To return money he didn't earn is the least he should do. I dread to think what his family and friends think of him - if they associate with him at all, that is.

    He does have the rest of his life to lead.

    Without much of an income, it would seem.

    If he wasn't entitled to the money, why did the BBC suspend him without
    loss of pay?

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Fredxx on Wed Mar 5 15:57:00 2025
    On 05/03/2025 01:13 PM, Fredxx wrote:
    On 05/03/2025 12:55, RJH wrote:
    On 5 Mar 2025 at 09:27:41 GMT, The Todal wrote:

    According to the Times today.

    Former newsreader has been asked ‘many times’ to return wages he
    received while suspended before pleading guilty to making indecent
    images of children, MPs told.

    Huw Edwards, the former newsreader, has not paid back the £200,000 he
    earned between his arrest and resignation, the chairman of the BBC has
    said. Edwards, 63, was given a suspended prison sentence last year
    after admitting that he had accessed indecent images of children as
    young as seven. After his guilty plea, the BBC asked him to return the
    pay he received between his arrest in November 2023 and his resignation
    in April last year.

    unquote

    I would expect Edwards to have taken legal advice and to have been
    advised that he is under no obligation to return the money, unless there >>> is some clause in his contract requiring him to do so. His career is at
    an end, he has lost his livelihood and whilst he has committed crimes,
    there seems to be no suggestion that he did not perform his BBC duties
    properly and well.

    It is rather undignified of the BBC to plead with him to "do the right
    thing" rather than to leave it to the lawyers. And if he were to pay
    back the money it would not cause people to admire him more, so what's
    the point?

    I think Edwards has lost any shred of dignity he once had. To return
    money he
    didn't earn is the least he should do. I dread to think what his
    family and
    friends think of him - if they associate with him at all, that is.

    You don't earn your pension yet you will accept it as is your
    contractual right.

    Whether or not you earn or pay for a pension is a moot point at best.
    There are some situations where the payment is very obvious (the police
    are a good example).

    Huw Edwards has every right to retain his pay. I don't understand why
    people think they are exempt from the same accepted rule as indeed
    pensioners do, especially when he was suspended by the BBC. He did the
    decent thing and resigned.

    Quite so. He was suspended on pay. If he had to give the money back,
    that would have been meaningless.

    The BBC are now telling any future criminals on their books not to
    resign, or if they do there is a non-blame/disclosure agreement.

    Not so sure about that. Resigning early would be better for the BBC.

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  • From Roger Hayter@21:1/5 to JNugent on Wed Mar 5 17:02:15 2025
    On 5 Mar 2025 at 15:57:00 GMT, "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:

    On 05/03/2025 01:13 PM, Fredxx wrote:
    On 05/03/2025 12:55, RJH wrote:
    On 5 Mar 2025 at 09:27:41 GMT, The Todal wrote:

    According to the Times today.

    Former newsreader has been asked ‘many times’ to return wages he
    received while suspended before pleading guilty to making indecent
    images of children, MPs told.

    Huw Edwards, the former newsreader, has not paid back the £200,000 he >>>> earned between his arrest and resignation, the chairman of the BBC has >>>> said. Edwards, 63, was given a suspended prison sentence last year
    after admitting that he had accessed indecent images of children as
    young as seven. After his guilty plea, the BBC asked him to return the >>>> pay he received between his arrest in November 2023 and his resignation >>>> in April last year.

    unquote

    I would expect Edwards to have taken legal advice and to have been
    advised that he is under no obligation to return the money, unless there >>>> is some clause in his contract requiring him to do so. His career is at >>>> an end, he has lost his livelihood and whilst he has committed crimes, >>>> there seems to be no suggestion that he did not perform his BBC duties >>>> properly and well.

    It is rather undignified of the BBC to plead with him to "do the right >>>> thing" rather than to leave it to the lawyers. And if he were to pay
    back the money it would not cause people to admire him more, so what's >>>> the point?

    I think Edwards has lost any shred of dignity he once had. To return
    money he
    didn't earn is the least he should do. I dread to think what his
    family and
    friends think of him - if they associate with him at all, that is.

    You don't earn your pension yet you will accept it as is your
    contractual right.

    Whether or not you earn or pay for a pension is a moot point at best.
    There are some situations where the payment is very obvious (the police
    are a good example).

    Huw Edwards has every right to retain his pay. I don't understand why
    people think they are exempt from the same accepted rule as indeed
    pensioners do, especially when he was suspended by the BBC. He did the
    decent thing and resigned.

    Quite so. He was suspended on pay. If he had to give the money back,
    that would have been meaningless.

    The BBC are now telling any future criminals on their books not to
    resign, or if they do there is a non-blame/disclosure agreement.

    Not so sure about that. Resigning early would be better for the BBC.

    That's the point! He *did* resign before he had to, and he would have carried on earning for weeks or months until they could sack him if he had demanded
    his rights. Which makes it all more the unreasonable for the BBC to ask him to pay back the money he did earn.

    --

    Roger Hayter

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to The Todal on Thu Mar 6 09:46:16 2025
    The Todal <the_todal@icloud.com> wrote:

    According to the Times today.

    […]

    Huw Edwards, the former newsreader, has not paid back the £200,000 he
    earned between his arrest and resignation, the chairman of the BBC has
    said. Edwards, 63, was given a suspended prison sentence last year
    after admitting that he had accessed indecent images of children as
    young as seven. After his guilty plea, the BBC asked him to return the
    pay he received between his arrest in November 2023 and his resignation
    in April last year.

    unquote

    Devon and Cornwall Police have no less than two Chief or Acting Chief Constables suspended on full pay, with an Interim CC currently running the force. There hasn’t been any suggestion yet of a payback, and it is to be doubted that there will be any such demand.

    The monthly cost of employing the substantive Chief Constable, the Acting
    Chief Constable and the Interim Chief Constable is £63,913. This includes pension contributions and all remunerated allowances.

    The CC was suspended in July 2023 on a salary of circa GBPS 180,000, with
    the suspended ACC being paid a similar amount.

    --
    Spike

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