• Is it legal to incite killing of Nazis/Fascists/Zionists in UK?

    From Ottavio Caruso@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 20 10:05:19 2025
    Unless you live in a digital cave, you will not have missed the news of
    a famous American influencer (ex gaming streamer, LOL!) who,
    paraphrasing, has been preaching this theorem for the last few months:

    1) Those who support Trump/Musk/Israel are Nazis (alternatively he says Fascists and/or Zionists);

    2) This country (USA) used to kill Nazis;

    3) It's our moral imperative, as Americans, to kill Nazis, etc.

    And then he makes a list of what in his mind are Nazis/Fascists/Zionists.

    I'm not very well versed in American law but, as it stands and as long
    he personally doesn't kill or participates in the planning of killing
    anyone, he can say that without major legal consequences, apart from
    being banned from X.

    What would happen to him if he was a UK resident?


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    Ottavio Caruso

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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to Ottavio Caruso on Thu Mar 20 14:06:06 2025
    On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 10:05:19 +0000, Ottavio Caruso wrote:

    Unless you live in a digital cave, you will not have missed the news of
    a famous American influencer (ex gaming streamer, LOL!) who,
    paraphrasing, has been preaching this theorem for the last few months:

    1) Those who support Trump/Musk/Israel are Nazis (alternatively he says Fascists and/or Zionists);

    2) This country (USA) used to kill Nazis;

    3) It's our moral imperative, as Americans, to kill Nazis, etc.

    And then he makes a list of what in his mind are
    Nazis/Fascists/Zionists.

    I'm not very well versed in American law but, as it stands and as long
    he personally doesn't kill or participates in the planning of killing
    anyone, he can say that without major legal consequences, apart from
    being banned from X.

    What would happen to him if he was a UK resident?

    With the caveat that looking for consistency in any legal system is a
    waste of time, the US has the concept of the 1st amendment. This means in theory you can't pass laws that prevent people from expressing themselves.

    However there is also the doctrine of shouting "fire !" in a crowded
    theater. The idea being that if your expression can be demonstrated to
    have caused harm you are still liable.

    This does make sense to a degree because requiring people are held
    accountable for their speech is not the same as proactively preventing
    them from speaking.

    The UK has no similar concept, with the idea of "inalienable rights"
    being (ironically) alien. The UK also has a complex maze of legal avenues
    in place to trip up anyone who feels like standing on a soapbox.

    Personally I am a little wary of the idea that peoples actions can be
    absolved by other peoples speech. An issue that was a hot topic during
    last years rioting.

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