• Re: In court toady

    From Roger Hayter@21:1/5 to TTman on Wed Mar 26 23:06:28 2025
    On 26 Mar 2025 at 22:56:28 GMT, "TTman" <kraken.sankey@gmail.com> wrote:

    The 'rogue trader' faced the oral examination today and it was a farce.
    He was totally intimidating and agressive towards the claimant, bringing
    her to tears...Anyway, he brought no documents to support anything so
    all figures offered could not be substantiated. He also point blank
    refused to divulge where he was living despite repeated requests from
    the claimant and court official...After the hearing, the court official
    told my friend ( claimant) the the whole EX140 would be passed up to a circuit Judge.
    What is likely to happen now?
    There is a hearing early April where the defendant has applied to have
    the judgement set aside and the claimant will hope to get the interim
    TPDO made final.
    Further, the claimant requested that a friend accompany her in the
    hearing, but that request was rejected. Is a friend permitted to
    accompany a claimant at an oral examination ?

    That seems odd, I thought in principle they were public hearings. Did she want the friend to speak (which is probably not allowed unless they are a witness) or just be there?

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    Roger Hayter

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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to TTman on Thu Mar 27 09:27:19 2025
    On Wed, 26 Mar 2025 23:30:54 +0000, TTman wrote:

    On 26/03/2025 23:06, Roger Hayter wrote:
    On 26 Mar 2025 at 22:56:28 GMT, "TTman" <kraken.sankey@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    The 'rogue trader' faced the oral examination today and it was a
    farce. He was totally intimidating and agressive towards the claimant,
    bringing her to tears...Anyway, he brought no documents to support
    anything so all figures offered could not be substantiated. He also
    point blank refused to divulge where he was living despite repeated
    requests from the claimant and court official...After the hearing, the
    court official told my friend ( claimant) the the whole EX140 would be
    passed up to a circuit Judge.
    What is likely to happen now?
    There is a hearing early April where the defendant has applied to
    have
    the judgement set aside and the claimant will hope to get the interim
    TPDO made final.
    Further, the claimant requested that a friend accompany her in the
    hearing, but that request was rejected. Is a friend permitted to
    accompany a claimant at an oral examination ?

    That seems odd, I thought in principle they were public hearings. Did
    she want the friend to speak (which is probably not allowed unless they
    are a witness) or just be there?


    Just for moral support. The defendant is just 'the pits' and really laid
    into the claimant trying to intimidate her...

    No disrespect, but is the implication that the presiding official allowed
    this ?

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  • From Nick Odell@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 27 11:31:17 2025
    On Wed, 26 Mar 2025 22:56:28 +0000, TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    The 'rogue trader' faced the oral examination today and it was a farce.
    He was totally intimidating and agressive towards the claimant, bringing
    her to tears...Anyway, he brought no documents to support anything so
    all figures offered could not be substantiated. He also point blank
    refused to divulge where he was living despite repeated requests from
    the claimant and court official...After the hearing, the court official
    told my friend ( claimant) the the whole EX140 would be passed up to a >circuit Judge.
    What is likely to happen now?
    There is a hearing early April where the defendant has applied to have
    the judgement set aside and the claimant will hope to get the interim
    TPDO made final.
    Further, the claimant requested that a friend accompany her in the
    hearing, but that request was rejected. Is a friend permitted to
    accompany a claimant at an oral examination ?


    Having just read this the other day, I wonder if hiding ones address
    is a widespread practice? <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2025/03/25/ugo-monye-bankruptcy-withdrawn-hmrc-not-find-address/>

    (Archive link not required: all information in url.)

    Nick

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  • From Fredxx@21:1/5 to TTman on Wed Apr 2 13:22:04 2025
    On 26/03/2025 22:56, TTman wrote:

    <snip>

    Further, the claimant requested that a friend accompany her in the
    hearing, but that request was rejected. Is a friend permitted to
    accompany a claimant at an oral examination ?

    I hope this was a miscommunication or misunderstanding.

    A good outline of what a McKenzie friend can and can't do is explained here:

    https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/pfd-guidance-mckenzie-friends.pdf

    HTH

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  • From Roger Hayter@21:1/5 to TTman on Tue Apr 29 22:15:15 2025
    On 29 Apr 2025 at 22:59:11 BST, "TTman" <kraken.sankey@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 24/04/2025 12:04, TTman wrote:


    S.P.

    So, the claimant has issued the next order to attend for an oral
    hearing on the 14th May, with the threat of a suspended order for
    committal for contempt of court.
    The defendant has also decided to appeal against the Judge's
    decision to refuse/dismiss the application to set aside. Good luck
    with that!
    With the best will in the world , I can't see any legal grounds for
    that appeal to succeed . IMO the Judge covered every aspect of what
    she was compelled to do according to CPRs, to arrive at her decision.



    Update. The threat of another oral examination has promted the defendant
    to request a final settlement figure. Clearly the application to appeal
    was a bluff.Seems an Oral Examination order is the way to go when
    dealing with a crook that has more money than sense !


    The debtor has now paid in full, including all costs and interest to
    date thus avoiding the awkward option of having to face an oral
    examination under threat of commital to prison. RESULT.

    Congratulations. So the system can work with a bit of persistence, provided
    the defendant is not actually bankrupt.

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    Roger Hayter

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  • From Peter Walker@21:1/5 to TTman on Wed Apr 30 08:54:36 2025
    TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:vuri3f$2obk5$1@dont-email.me:


    The debtor has now paid in full, including all costs and interest to
    date thus avoiding the awkward option of having to face an oral
    examination under threat of commital to prison. RESULT.


    Well done!

    Looks like he has taken that option to keep his privacy, likely to
    frustrate the actions of future claimants who may not be as tenacious.
    Would have been nice to get those personal details to share with other potential claimants.

    I am sure you will make a point of following his future antics.

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