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    From Sam Plusnet@21:1/5 to BrritSki on Sun Apr 6 19:33:17 2025
    On 06/04/2025 08:28, BrritSki wrote:
    Has anyone heard of "Case C-315/15 - Pešková and Peška, whereby in the event of a delay equal to or in excess of 3 hours on arrival, caused by
    both extraordinary and non-extraordinary circumstances, the delay caused
    by the first event (extraordinary circumstances) must be deducted from
    the total length of the delay in the arrival."

    This was just quoted as rationale for refusing my ongoing Easyjet claim,
    but I am astonished that nobody has mentioned it before, neither Easyjet
    in any of our many exchanges including an LBA and my claim at Aviation
    ADR plus a review and a further review following the new evidence where
    this was first mentioned.

    It's such a slam-dunk that I can only assume there are some further
    cases that found against it - is anyone aware of them please ?

    TIA as usual.

    Some comments on it e.g. <https://whitestonechambers.com/articles/the-cjeus-striking-decision-peskova-examined-2/>

    Since the event happened in August 2013, and judgement was handed down
    in May 2017, I would think there has been enough time for it to have
    been widely known.


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    Sam Plusnet

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  • From Tim Jackson@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 6 20:58:37 2025
    On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 19:33:17 +0100, Sam Plusnet wrote...

    On 06/04/2025 08:28, BrritSki wrote:
    Has anyone heard of "Case C-315/15 - Pešková and Peška, whereby in the event of a delay equal to or in excess of 3 hours on arrival, caused by both extraordinary and non-extraordinary circumstances, the delay caused
    by the first event (extraordinary circumstances) must be deducted from
    the total length of the delay in the arrival."

    This was just quoted as rationale for refusing my ongoing Easyjet claim, but I am astonished that nobody has mentioned it before, neither Easyjet
    in any of our many exchanges including an LBA and my claim at Aviation
    ADR plus a review and a further review following the new evidence where this was first mentioned.

    It's such a slam-dunk that I can only assume there are some further
    cases that found against it - is anyone aware of them please ?

    TIA as usual.

    Some comments on it e.g. <https://whitestonechambers.com/articles/the-cjeus-striking-decision-peskova-examined-2/>

    Since the event happened in August 2013, and judgement was handed down
    in May 2017, I would think there has been enough time for it to have
    been widely known.

    See also
    https://www.nortonrosefulbright.com/en/knowledge/publications/d2e03946

    The interesting factor is that the airline still lost that case. There
    was an extraordinary delay because mandatory checks were necessary after
    a bird strike. A local technician carried out the checks and the
    aircraft was good to go. But the airline wanted confirmation and flew
    out its own technican to re-inspect it.

    The further delay caused by the re-inspection was held not to be
    extraordinary. And it exceeded the three-hour limit set in previous
    case law.

    Is that slam-dunk in your case? I think you need further information
    from Easyjet. What caused the delay? Which parts of it do they contend
    was essential and which non-essential? And why?

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    Tim Jackson
    news@timjackson.invalid
    (Change '.invalid' to '.plus.com' to reply direct)

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  • From Nick Odell@21:1/5 to news@timjackson.invalid on Mon Apr 7 01:07:02 2025
    On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 20:58:37 +0100, Tim Jackson
    <news@timjackson.invalid> wrote:

    On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 19:33:17 +0100, Sam Plusnet wrote...

    On 06/04/2025 08:28, BrritSki wrote:
    Has anyone heard of "Case C-315/15 - Pešková and Peška, whereby in the
    event of a delay equal to or in excess of 3 hours on arrival, caused by
    both extraordinary and non-extraordinary circumstances, the delay caused >> > by the first event (extraordinary circumstances) must be deducted from
    the total length of the delay in the arrival."

    This was just quoted as rationale for refusing my ongoing Easyjet claim, >> > but I am astonished that nobody has mentioned it before, neither Easyjet >> > in any of our many exchanges including an LBA and my claim at Aviation
    ADR plus a review and a further review following the new evidence where
    this was first mentioned.

    It's such a slam-dunk that I can only assume there are some further
    cases that found against it - is anyone aware of them please ?

    TIA as usual.

    Some comments on it e.g.
    <https://whitestonechambers.com/articles/the-cjeus-striking-decision-peskova-examined-2/>

    What an awful, unreadable website design. Or is that just the way that
    Firefox is rendering it for me?

    Since the event happened in August 2013, and judgement was handed down
    in May 2017, I would think there has been enough time for it to have
    been widely known.

    See also >https://www.nortonrosefulbright.com/en/knowledge/publications/d2e03946

    The interesting factor is that the airline still lost that case. There
    was an extraordinary delay because mandatory checks were necessary after
    a bird strike. A local technician carried out the checks and the
    aircraft was good to go. But the airline wanted confirmation and flew
    out its own technican to re-inspect it.

    The further delay caused by the re-inspection was held not to be >extraordinary. And it exceeded the three-hour limit set in previous
    case law.

    Is that slam-dunk in your case? I think you need further information
    from Easyjet. What caused the delay? Which parts of it do they contend
    was essential and which non-essential? And why?

    IIRC in Brritski v Airline, one of the elements in the delay was as a
    result of how the airline voluntarily chose to prioritise its
    solutions to the problems that had been accumulating on the flight.
    Much as Travel Service choosing to call in one of their own
    technicians to inspect the work after it had been checked and passed
    by another certified technician lead to them ultimately losing their
    case.

    Or a meringue?

    Nick

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  • From Sam Plusnet@21:1/5 to Nick Odell on Mon Apr 7 19:42:06 2025
    On 07/04/2025 01:07, Nick Odell wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 20:58:37 +0100, Tim Jackson
    <news@timjackson.invalid> wrote:

    On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 19:33:17 +0100, Sam Plusnet wrote...

    On 06/04/2025 08:28, BrritSki wrote:
    Has anyone heard of "Case C-315/15 - Pešková and Peška, whereby in the >>>> event of a delay equal to or in excess of 3 hours on arrival, caused by >>>> both extraordinary and non-extraordinary circumstances, the delay caused >>>> by the first event (extraordinary circumstances) must be deducted from >>>> the total length of the delay in the arrival."

    This was just quoted as rationale for refusing my ongoing Easyjet claim, >>>> but I am astonished that nobody has mentioned it before, neither Easyjet >>>> in any of our many exchanges including an LBA and my claim at Aviation >>>> ADR plus a review and a further review following the new evidence where >>>> this was first mentioned.

    It's such a slam-dunk that I can only assume there are some further
    cases that found against it - is anyone aware of them please ?

    TIA as usual.

    Some comments on it e.g.
    <https://whitestonechambers.com/articles/the-cjeus-striking-decision-peskova-examined-2/>

    What an awful, unreadable website design. Or is that just the way that Firefox is rendering it for me?

    One of those cases where a browser's "Reader Mode/Extension" might be
    useful (I didn't try it).


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    Sam Plusnet

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