Do they supervise?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/16/romeo-and-juliet-clause-exempts-consensual-teen-relationships-from-child-abuse-reports
Do they supervise?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/16/romeo-and-juliet-clause- exempts-consensual-teen-relationships-from-child-abuse-reports
On 4/16/25 19:53, Max Demian wrote:
Do they supervise?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/16/romeo-and-juliet-clause-
exempts-consensual-teen-relationships-from-child-abuse-reports
That is almost a total inversion of what the law is about. It allows
teachers to not involve themselves, or other authorities, in the sexual affairs of kids.
On 16 Apr 2025 at 21:55:54 BST, "Pancho" <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
On 4/16/25 19:53, Max Demian wrote:
Do they supervise?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/16/romeo-and-juliet-clause- >>> exempts-consensual-teen-relationships-from-child-abuse-reports
That is almost a total inversion of what the law is about. It allows
teachers to not involve themselves, or other authorities, in the sexual
affairs of kids.
The cynical among us suppose that it allows them to pick on young couples they
don't like.
On 4/16/25 23:14, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 16 Apr 2025 at 21:55:54 BST, "Pancho" <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
On 4/16/25 19:53, Max Demian wrote:
Do they supervise?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/16/romeo-and-juliet-clause- >>>> exempts-consensual-teen-relationships-from-child-abuse-reports
That is almost a total inversion of what the law is about. It allows
teachers to not involve themselves, or other authorities, in the sexual
affairs of kids.
The cynical among us suppose that it allows them to pick on young
couples they don't like.
I don't understand that comment. This legislation change is about
allowing teachers the discretion to not report their suspicions. You
think not reporting a suspicion that two kids are having sex with each
other is picking on them?
Have I misunderstood something?
On 2025-04-16, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
On 4/16/25 23:14, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 16 Apr 2025 at 21:55:54 BST, "Pancho" <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
On 4/16/25 19:53, Max Demian wrote:
Do they supervise?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/16/romeo-and-juliet-clause- >>>>> exempts-consensual-teen-relationships-from-child-abuse-reports
That is almost a total inversion of what the law is about. It allows
teachers to not involve themselves, or other authorities, in the sexual >>>> affairs of kids.
The cynical among us suppose that it allows them to pick on young
couples they don't like.
I don't understand that comment. This legislation change is about
allowing teachers the discretion to not report their suspicions. You
think not reporting a suspicion that two kids are having sex with each
other is picking on them?
Have I misunderstood something?
Obviously he meant that the teachers can report couples they don't approve of, while not reporting couples they do approve of.
Do they supervise?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/16/romeo-and-juliet-clause- exempts-consensual-teen-relationships-from-child-abuse-reports
On 16/04/2025 19:53, Max Demian wrote:
Do they supervise?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/16/romeo-and-juliet-clause-
exempts-consensual-teen-relationships-from-child-abuse-reports
My last conversation with a social worker suggested that schools have an element of discretion in their reporting child welfare concerns. And
that it is considered by members of over-worked Child Services as a
useful filter.
On 4/17/25 11:31, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-04-16, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
On 4/16/25 23:14, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 16 Apr 2025 at 21:55:54 BST, "Pancho" <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
On 4/16/25 19:53, Max Demian wrote:
Do they supervise?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/16/romeo-and-juliet-clause- >>>>>> exempts-consensual-teen-relationships-from-child-abuse-reports
That is almost a total inversion of what the law is about. It allows >>>>> teachers to not involve themselves, or other authorities, in the sexual >>>>> affairs of kids.
The cynical among us suppose that it allows them to pick on young
couples they don't like.
I don't understand that comment. This legislation change is about
allowing teachers the discretion to not report their suspicions. You
think not reporting a suspicion that two kids are having sex with each
other is picking on them?
Have I misunderstood something?
Obviously he meant that the teachers can report couples they don't approve >> of, while not reporting couples they do approve of.
Yebbut, they've always been able to do that.
On 16 Apr 2025 at 21:55:54 BST, "Pancho" <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
On 4/16/25 19:53, Max Demian wrote:
Do they supervise?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/16/romeo-and-juliet-clause- >>> exempts-consensual-teen-relationships-from-child-abuse-reports
That is almost a total inversion of what the law is about. It allows
teachers to not involve themselves, or other authorities, in the sexual
affairs of kids.
The cynical among us suppose that it allows them to pick on young couples they >don't like.
On 2025-04-17, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
On 4/17/25 11:31, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-04-16, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
On 4/16/25 23:14, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 16 Apr 2025 at 21:55:54 BST, "Pancho" <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
On 4/16/25 19:53, Max Demian wrote:
Do they supervise?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/16/romeo-and-juliet-clause-
exempts-consensual-teen-relationships-from-child-abuse-reports
That is almost a total inversion of what the law is about. It allows >>>>>> teachers to not involve themselves, or other authorities, in the sexual >>>>>> affairs of kids.
The cynical among us suppose that it allows them to pick on young
couples they don't like.
I don't understand that comment. This legislation change is about
allowing teachers the discretion to not report their suspicions. You
think not reporting a suspicion that two kids are having sex with each >>>> other is picking on them?
Have I misunderstood something?
Obviously he meant that the teachers can report couples they don't approve >>> of, while not reporting couples they do approve of.
Yebbut, they've always been able to do that.
Yebbut, the law is about to change. And the news report is about
an amendment to the new law so that they will not be under a duty
to report consensual relationships between teenagers, which they
would have been if the amendment had not been made.
On 4/17/25 13:16, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-04-17, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
On 4/17/25 11:31, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-04-16, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
On 4/16/25 23:14, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 16 Apr 2025 at 21:55:54 BST, "Pancho" <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
On 4/16/25 19:53, Max Demian wrote:
Do they supervise?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/16/romeo-and-juliet-clause-
exempts-consensual-teen-relationships-from-child-abuse-reports
That is almost a total inversion of what the law is about. It allows >>>>>>> teachers to not involve themselves, or other authorities, in the sexual >>>>>>> affairs of kids.
The cynical among us suppose that it allows them to pick on young
couples they don't like.
I don't understand that comment. This legislation change is about
allowing teachers the discretion to not report their suspicions. You >>>>> think not reporting a suspicion that two kids are having sex with each >>>>> other is picking on them?
Have I misunderstood something?
Obviously he meant that the teachers can report couples they don't
approve of, while not reporting couples they do approve of.
Yebbut, they've always been able to do that.
Yebbut, the law is about to change. And the news report is about
an amendment to the new law so that they will not be under a duty
to report consensual relationships between teenagers, which they
would have been if the amendment had not been made.
So clarification, the law isn't going to change with respect to
15-year-old kids indulging in consensual sexual activity with people of
a similar age.
If posters have a specific concern about this non-change, they are going
to have to be more specific.
I think I would prefer the law didn't ban this type of consensual sex,
as apparently happens in Australia and other countries, rather than just allowing teachers to turn a blind eye.
However similar, widely ignored laws have existed since I was a kid.
So why are people upset now?
Do they supervise?exempts-consensual-teen-relationships-from-child-abuse-reports
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/16/romeo-and-juliet-clause-
On 2025-04-16, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
On 4/16/25 23:14, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 16 Apr 2025 at 21:55:54 BST, "Pancho" <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
On 4/16/25 19:53, Max Demian wrote:
Do they supervise?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/16/romeo-and-juliet-clause- >>>>> exempts-consensual-teen-relationships-from-child-abuse-reports
That is almost a total inversion of what the law is about. It allows
teachers to not involve themselves, or other authorities, in the sexual >>>> affairs of kids.
The cynical among us suppose that it allows them to pick on young
couples they don't like.
I don't understand that comment. This legislation change is about
allowing teachers the discretion to not report their suspicions. You
think not reporting a suspicion that two kids are having sex with each
other is picking on them?
Have I misunderstood something?
Obviously he meant that the teachers can report couples they don't approve of, while not reporting couples they do approve of.
On 16/04/2025 19:53, Max Demian wrote:
Do they supervise?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/16/romeo-and-juliet-
clause- exempts-consensual-teen-relationships-from-child-abuse-reports
My last conversation with a social worker suggested that schools have an element of discretion in their reporting child welfare concerns. And
that it is considered by members of over-worked Child Services as a
useful filter.
On 17/04/2025 11:31, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-04-16, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
On 4/16/25 23:14, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 16 Apr 2025 at 21:55:54 BST, "Pancho"
<Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
On 4/16/25 19:53, Max Demian wrote:
Do they supervise?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/16/romeo-and-juliet-
clause-
exempts-consensual-teen-relationships-from-child-abuse-reports
That is almost a total inversion of what the law is about. It allows >>>>> teachers to not involve themselves, or other authorities, in the
sexual
affairs of kids.
The cynical among us suppose that it allows them to pick on young
couples they don't like.
I don't understand that comment. This legislation change is about
allowing teachers the discretion to not report their suspicions. You
think not reporting a suspicion that two kids are having sex with each
other is picking on them?
Have I misunderstood something?
Obviously he meant that the teachers can report couples they don't
approve
of, while not reporting couples they do approve of.
Obviously teachers have the skill and the training to assess whether
underage children are being coerced into sexual experimentation by
slightly older, more domineering children. If hearts are broken, if youngsters become figures of fun in their schools, stigmatised as
promiscuous or naive, then hey, that's all part of growing up these days.
On 4/18/25 10:51, The Todal wrote:
On 17/04/2025 11:31, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-04-16, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
On 4/16/25 23:14, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 16 Apr 2025 at 21:55:54 BST, "Pancho"
<Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
On 4/16/25 19:53, Max Demian wrote:
Do they supervise?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/16/romeo-and-juliet- >>>>>>> clause-
exempts-consensual-teen-relationships-from-child-abuse-reports
That is almost a total inversion of what the law is about. It allows >>>>>> teachers to not involve themselves, or other authorities, in the
sexual
affairs of kids.
The cynical among us suppose that it allows them to pick on young
couples they don't like.
I don't understand that comment. This legislation change is about
allowing teachers the discretion to not report their suspicions. You
think not reporting a suspicion that two kids are having sex with each >>>> other is picking on them?
Have I misunderstood something?
Obviously he meant that the teachers can report couples they don't
approve
of, while not reporting couples they do approve of.
Obviously teachers have the skill and the training to assess whether
underage children are being coerced into sexual experimentation by
slightly older, more domineering children. If hearts are broken, if
youngsters become figures of fun in their schools, stigmatised as
promiscuous or naive, then hey, that's all part of growing up these days.
It has always been part of growing up.
I also dislike the implication that slightly older children are
obviously more domineering. Some people are naturally more domineering
than others. By teenage that natural variation will be bigger than
variation due to a small difference in age. It will often be the case
that the younger child is more domineering. You can't easily legislate against that natural variation.
Perhaps it would be better if adults stepped back and let kids do a
little more unsupervised play.
On 18/04/2025 11:52, Pancho wrote:
Perhaps it would be better if adults stepped back and let kids do a
little more unsupervised play.
Perhaps bullying in schools is a natural part of growing up and finding
your place in the world and recognising that you are a winner, a loser
or somewhere else on the pecking order.
And the more you are bullied, or
do the bullying, the better. As a bully you can aspire to a career as a police officer or a newspaper editor or the CEO of a major London
department store.
On 18/04/2025 11:52, Pancho wrote:
On 4/18/25 10:51, The Todal wrote:
On 17/04/2025 11:31, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-04-16, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
On 4/16/25 23:14, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 16 Apr 2025 at 21:55:54 BST, "Pancho"
<Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
On 4/16/25 19:53, Max Demian wrote:
Do they supervise?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/16/romeo-and-
juliet- clause-
exempts-consensual-teen-relationships-from-child-abuse-reports
That is almost a total inversion of what the law is about. It allows >>>>>>> teachers to not involve themselves, or other authorities, in the >>>>>>> sexual
affairs of kids.
The cynical among us suppose that it allows them to pick on young
couples they don't like.
I don't understand that comment. This legislation change is about
allowing teachers the discretion to not report their suspicions. You >>>>> think not reporting a suspicion that two kids are having sex with each >>>>> other is picking on them?
Have I misunderstood something?
Obviously he meant that the teachers can report couples they don't
approve
of, while not reporting couples they do approve of.
Obviously teachers have the skill and the training to assess whether
underage children are being coerced into sexual experimentation by
slightly older, more domineering children. If hearts are broken, if
youngsters become figures of fun in their schools, stigmatised as
promiscuous or naive, then hey, that's all part of growing up these
days.
It has always been part of growing up.
I also dislike the implication that slightly older children are
obviously more domineering. Some people are naturally more domineering
than others. By teenage that natural variation will be bigger than
variation due to a small difference in age. It will often be the case
that the younger child is more domineering. You can't easily legislate
against that natural variation.
Perhaps it would be better if adults stepped back and let kids do a
little more unsupervised play.
Perhaps bullying in schools is a natural part of growing up and finding
your place in the world and recognising that you are a winner, a loser
or somewhere else on the pecking order. And the more you are bullied, or
do the bullying, the better. As a bully you can aspire to a career as a police officer or a newspaper editor or the CEO of a major London
department store.
On 4/18/25 10:51, The Todal wrote:
Obviously teachers have the skill and the training to assess whether
underage children are being coerced into sexual experimentation by
slightly older, more domineering children. If hearts are broken, if
youngsters become figures of fun in their schools, stigmatised as
promiscuous or naive, then hey, that's all part of growing up these days.
It has always been part of growing up.
I also dislike the implication that slightly older children are
obviously more domineering. Some people are naturally more domineering
than others. By teenage that natural variation will be bigger than
variation due to a small difference in age. It will often be the case
that the younger child is more domineering. You can't easily legislate against that natural variation.
Perhaps it would be better if adults stepped back and let kids do a
little more unsupervised play.
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