Is telling someone in the UK to speak English a hate crime?
Is telling someone in the UK to speak English a hate crime? If I tell an Englishman to speak Urdu will it be a hate crime too?
https://www.newsweek.com/british-police-speak-english-hate-crime- outrage-2059604
Is telling someone in the UK to speak English a hate crime? If I tell
an Englishman to speak Urdu will it be a hate crime too?
https://www.newsweek.com/british-police-speak-english-hate-crime-outrag e-2059604
On 07/05/2025 13:37, J Newman wrote:
Is telling someone in the UK to speak English a hate crime? If I tell an
Englishman to speak Urdu will it be a hate crime too?
https://www.newsweek.com/british-police-speak-english-hate-crime-
outrage-2059604
If someone speaks in a foreign language it is of course reasonable to
ask them to speak English.
Is telling someone in the UK to speak English a hate crime? If I tell an Englishman to speak Urdu will it be a hate crime too?
https://www.newsweek.com/british-police-speak-english-hate-crime-outrage-2059604
On 2025-05-07, The Todal <the_todal@icloud.com> wrote:
On 07/05/2025 13:37, J Newman wrote:
Is telling someone in the UK to speak English a hate crime? If I tell an >>> Englishman to speak Urdu will it be a hate crime too?
https://www.newsweek.com/british-police-speak-english-hate-crime-
outrage-2059604
If someone speaks in a foreign language it is of course reasonable to
ask them to speak English.
... assuming they're speaking *to you*. If they're speaking to somebody
else, or, say, on the phone, then it is in no way reasonable to tell
them they should be speaking a different language.
On 2025-05-07, J Newman <jenniferkatenewman@gmail.com> wrote:
Is telling someone in the UK to speak English a hate crime? If I tell an
Englishman to speak Urdu will it be a hate crime too?
https://www.newsweek.com/british-police-speak-english-hate-crime-outrage-2059604
No, of course it isn't a crime in itself. But if someone did commit a
crime against somebody, and before or during doing so they told them to "speak English", then that could conceivably be evidence that the crime
was racially motivated, i.e. a "hate crime".
On 07/05/2025 17:15, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-05-07, The Todal <the_todal@icloud.com> wrote:
On 07/05/2025 13:37, J Newman wrote:
Is telling someone in the UK to speak English a hate crime? If I
tell an Englishman to speak Urdu will it be a hate crime too?
https://www.newsweek.com/british-police-speak-english-hate-crime-
outrage-2059604
If someone speaks in a foreign language it is of course reasonable to
ask them to speak English.
... assuming they're speaking *to you*. If they're speaking to somebody
else, or, say, on the phone, then it is in no way reasonable to tell
them they should be speaking a different language.
What if someone speaks a foreign language while repeatedly looking at
you. You might reasonable assume they are saying bad things about you.
It may be a rude thing to do, depending on the circumstances.
On 07/05/2025 06:06 PM, Max Demian wrote:
On 07/05/2025 17:15, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-05-07, The Todal <the_todal@icloud.com> wrote:
On 07/05/2025 13:37, J Newman wrote:
Is telling someone in the UK to speak English a hate crime? If I
tell an Englishman to speak Urdu will it be a hate crime too?
https://www.newsweek.com/british-police-speak-english-hate-crime-
outrage-2059604
If someone speaks in a foreign language it is of course reasonable to
ask them to speak English.
... assuming they're speaking *to you*. If they're speaking to somebody
else, or, say, on the phone, then it is in no way reasonable to tell
them they should be speaking a different language.
What if someone speaks a foreign language while repeatedly looking at
you. You might reasonable assume they are saying bad things about you.
It may be a rude thing to do, depending on the circumstances.
Back in Liverpool, there used to be a topic of conversational complaint
that in North Wales (quite nearby), groups of Welsh people in a shop,
pub or similar premises would be conversing in English but on hearing
the voice of an English visitor / customer, would change over to
speaking in Welsh.
I never experienced it for myself and tend to suspect that it was all a
bit of an old wives' tale.
But there were lots of people swearing that it was true - and reflecting
or reliving a sense of insult.
On 07/05/2025 06:06 PM, Max Demian wrote:
On 07/05/2025 17:15, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-05-07, The Todal <the_todal@icloud.com> wrote:
On 07/05/2025 13:37, J Newman wrote:
Is telling someone in the UK to speak English a hate crime? If I
tell an Englishman to speak Urdu will it be a hate crime too?
https://www.newsweek.com/british-police-speak-english-hate-crime-
outrage-2059604
If someone speaks in a foreign language it is of course reasonable to
ask them to speak English.
... assuming they're speaking *to you*. If they're speaking to somebody
else, or, say, on the phone, then it is in no way reasonable to tell
them they should be speaking a different language.
What if someone speaks a foreign language while repeatedly looking at
you. You might reasonable assume they are saying bad things about you.
It may be a rude thing to do, depending on the circumstances.
Back in Liverpool, there used to be a topic of conversational complaint
that in North Wales (quite nearby), groups of Welsh people in a shop,
pub or similar premises would be conversing in English but on hearing
the voice of an English visitor / customer, would change over to
speaking in Welsh.
I never experienced it for myself and tend to suspect that it was all a
bit of an old wives' tale.
But there were lots of people swearing that it was true - and reflecting
or reliving a sense of insult.
On 8 May 2025 at 15:19:08 BST, "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
Back in Liverpool, there used to be a topic of conversational complaint
that in North Wales (quite nearby), groups of Welsh people in a shop,
pub or similar premises would be conversing in English but on hearing
the voice of an English visitor / customer, would change over to
speaking in Welsh.
I never experienced it for myself and tend to suspect that it was all a
bit of an old wives' tale.
But there were lots of people swearing that it was true - and reflecting
or reliving a sense of insult.
Back in North Wales, people knew exactly why they didn't want to give away any
information about their houses or farms when Liverpudlians came into the cafe or pub.
On 8 May 2025 at 15:19:08 BST, "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 07/05/2025 06:06 PM, Max Demian wrote:
On 07/05/2025 17:15, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-05-07, The Todal <the_todal@icloud.com> wrote:
On 07/05/2025 13:37, J Newman wrote:
Is telling someone in the UK to speak English a hate crime? If I
tell an Englishman to speak Urdu will it be a hate crime too?
https://www.newsweek.com/british-police-speak-english-hate-crime-
outrage-2059604
If someone speaks in a foreign language it is of course reasonable to >>>>> ask them to speak English.
... assuming they're speaking *to you*. If they're speaking to somebody >>>> else, or, say, on the phone, then it is in no way reasonable to tell
them they should be speaking a different language.
What if someone speaks a foreign language while repeatedly looking at
you. You might reasonable assume they are saying bad things about you.
It may be a rude thing to do, depending on the circumstances.
Back in Liverpool, there used to be a topic of conversational complaint
that in North Wales (quite nearby), groups of Welsh people in a shop,
pub or similar premises would be conversing in English but on hearing
the voice of an English visitor / customer, would change over to
speaking in Welsh.
I never experienced it for myself and tend to suspect that it was all a
bit of an old wives' tale.
But there were lots of people swearing that it was true - and reflecting
or reliving a sense of insult.
Back in North Wales, people knew exactly why they didn't want to give away any
information about their houses or farms when Liverpudlians came into the cafe or pub.
On 08/05/2025 03:41 PM, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 8 May 2025 at 15:19:08 BST, "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 07/05/2025 06:06 PM, Max Demian wrote:
On 07/05/2025 17:15, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-05-07, The Todal <the_todal@icloud.com> wrote:
On 07/05/2025 13:37, J Newman wrote:
Is telling someone in the UK to speak English a hate crime? If I >>>>>>> tell an Englishman to speak Urdu will it be a hate crime too?
https://www.newsweek.com/british-police-speak-english-hate-crime- >>>>>>> outrage-2059604
If someone speaks in a foreign language it is of course reasonable to >>>>>> ask them to speak English.
... assuming they're speaking *to you*. If they're speaking to somebody >>>>> else, or, say, on the phone, then it is in no way reasonable to tell >>>>> them they should be speaking a different language.
What if someone speaks a foreign language while repeatedly looking at
you. You might reasonable assume they are saying bad things about you. >>>> It may be a rude thing to do, depending on the circumstances.
Back in Liverpool, there used to be a topic of conversational complaint
that in North Wales (quite nearby), groups of Welsh people in a shop,
pub or similar premises would be conversing in English but on hearing
the voice of an English visitor / customer, would change over to
speaking in Welsh.
I never experienced it for myself and tend to suspect that it was all a
bit of an old wives' tale.
But there were lots of people swearing that it was true - and reflecting >>> or reliving a sense of insult.
Back in North Wales, people knew exactly why they didn't want to give away any
information about their houses or farms when Liverpudlians came into the cafe
or pub.
Would they be exchanging details of the location of safes and valuables
in general social conversation?
I've never found it necessary. Have you?
On 8 May 2025 at 20:12:22 BST, "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 08/05/2025 03:41 PM, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 8 May 2025 at 15:19:08 BST, "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 07/05/2025 06:06 PM, Max Demian wrote:
On 07/05/2025 17:15, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-05-07, The Todal <the_todal@icloud.com> wrote:
On 07/05/2025 13:37, J Newman wrote:
Is telling someone in the UK to speak English a hate crime? If I >>>>>>>> tell an Englishman to speak Urdu will it be a hate crime too?
https://www.newsweek.com/british-police-speak-english-hate-crime- >>>>>>>> outrage-2059604
If someone speaks in a foreign language it is of course reasonable to >>>>>>> ask them to speak English.
... assuming they're speaking *to you*. If they're speaking to somebody >>>>>> else, or, say, on the phone, then it is in no way reasonable to tell >>>>>> them they should be speaking a different language.
What if someone speaks a foreign language while repeatedly looking at >>>>> you. You might reasonable assume they are saying bad things about you. >>>>> It may be a rude thing to do, depending on the circumstances.
Back in Liverpool, there used to be a topic of conversational complaint >>>> that in North Wales (quite nearby), groups of Welsh people in a shop,
pub or similar premises would be conversing in English but on hearing
the voice of an English visitor / customer, would change over to
speaking in Welsh.
I never experienced it for myself and tend to suspect that it was all a >>>> bit of an old wives' tale.
But there were lots of people swearing that it was true - and reflecting >>>> or reliving a sense of insult.
Back in North Wales, people knew exactly why they didn't want to give away any
information about their houses or farms when Liverpudlians came into the cafe
or pub.
Would they be exchanging details of the location of safes and valuables
in general social conversation?
I've never found it necessary. Have you?
I believe quad bikes are very popular trophies.
On 8 May 2025 at 15:19:08 BST, "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 07/05/2025 06:06 PM, Max Demian wrote:
On 07/05/2025 17:15, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-05-07, The Todal <the_todal@icloud.com> wrote:
On 07/05/2025 13:37, J Newman wrote:
Is telling someone in the UK to speak English a hate crime? If I
tell an Englishman to speak Urdu will it be a hate crime too?
https://www.newsweek.com/british-police-speak-english-
hate-crime-outrage-2059604
If someone speaks in a foreign language it is of course
reasonable to ask them to speak English.
... assuming they're speaking *to you*. If they're speaking to
somebody else, or, say, on the phone, then it is in no way
reasonable to tell them they should be speaking a different
language.
What if someone speaks a foreign language while repeatedly looking
at you. You might reasonable assume they are saying bad things
about you. It may be a rude thing to do, depending on the
circumstances.
Back in Liverpool, there used to be a topic of conversational
complaint that in North Wales (quite nearby), groups of Welsh people
in a shop, pub or similar premises would be conversing in English
but on hearing the voice of an English visitor / customer, would
change over to speaking in Welsh.
I never experienced it for myself and tend to suspect that it was
all a bit of an old wives' tale.
But there were lots of people swearing that it was true - and
reflecting or reliving a sense of insult.
Back in North Wales, people knew exactly why they didn't want to give
away any information about their houses or farms when Liverpudlians
came into the cafe or pub.
On 15:41 8 May 2025, Roger Hayter said:
On 8 May 2025 at 15:19:08 BST, "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 07/05/2025 06:06 PM, Max Demian wrote:
On 07/05/2025 17:15, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-05-07, The Todal <the_todal@icloud.com> wrote:
On 07/05/2025 13:37, J Newman wrote:
Is telling someone in the UK to speak English a hate crime? If I >>>>>>> tell an Englishman to speak Urdu will it be a hate crime too?
https://www.newsweek.com/british-police-speak-english-
hate-crime-outrage-2059604
If someone speaks in a foreign language it is of course
reasonable to ask them to speak English.
... assuming they're speaking *to you*. If they're speaking to
somebody else, or, say, on the phone, then it is in no way
reasonable to tell them they should be speaking a different
language.
What if someone speaks a foreign language while repeatedly looking
at you. You might reasonable assume they are saying bad things
about you. It may be a rude thing to do, depending on the
circumstances.
Back in Liverpool, there used to be a topic of conversational
complaint that in North Wales (quite nearby), groups of Welsh people
in a shop, pub or similar premises would be conversing in English
but on hearing the voice of an English visitor / customer, would
change over to speaking in Welsh.
I never experienced it for myself and tend to suspect that it was
all a bit of an old wives' tale.
But there were lots of people swearing that it was true - and
reflecting or reliving a sense of insult.
Back in North Wales, people knew exactly why they didn't want to give
away any information about their houses or farms when Liverpudlians
came into the cafe or pub.
Say that about gypsies and the law might come down on you.
Liverpudlians might seek the same legal status of protected
minority, as they are unfairly known for thieving and victimhood.
On 9 May 2025 at 10:38:29 BST, "Pamela" <uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 15:41 8 May 2025, Roger Hayter said:
On 8 May 2025 at 15:19:08 BST, "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 07/05/2025 06:06 PM, Max Demian wrote:
On 07/05/2025 17:15, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-05-07, The Todal <the_todal@icloud.com> wrote:
On 07/05/2025 13:37, J Newman wrote:
Is telling someone in the UK to speak English a hate crime? If I >>>>>>>> tell an Englishman to speak Urdu will it be a hate crime too?
https://www.newsweek.com/british-police-speak-english-
hate-crime-outrage-2059604
If someone speaks in a foreign language it is of course
reasonable to ask them to speak English.
... assuming they're speaking *to you*. If they're speaking to
somebody else, or, say, on the phone, then it is in no way
reasonable to tell them they should be speaking a different
language.
What if someone speaks a foreign language while repeatedly looking
at you. You might reasonable assume they are saying bad things
about you. It may be a rude thing to do, depending on the
circumstances.
Back in Liverpool, there used to be a topic of conversational
complaint that in North Wales (quite nearby), groups of Welsh people
in a shop, pub or similar premises would be conversing in English
but on hearing the voice of an English visitor / customer, would
change over to speaking in Welsh.
I never experienced it for myself and tend to suspect that it was
all a bit of an old wives' tale.
But there were lots of people swearing that it was true - and
reflecting or reliving a sense of insult.
Back in North Wales, people knew exactly why they didn't want to give
away any information about their houses or farms when Liverpudlians
came into the cafe or pub.
Say that about gypsies and the law might come down on you.
Liverpudlians might seek the same legal status of protected
minority, as they are unfairly known for thieving and victimhood.
I was only following some recent posters who claimed they should be allowed to
discriminate against people from various minorities which had been shown to have higher rates of criminality.
On 9 May 2025 at 10:38:29 BST, "Pamela" <uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 15:41 8 May 2025, Roger Hayter said:
On 8 May 2025 at 15:19:08 BST, "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
Back in Liverpool, there used to be a topic of conversational
complaint that in North Wales (quite nearby), groups of Welsh people
in a shop, pub or similar premises would be conversing in English
but on hearing the voice of an English visitor / customer, would
change over to speaking in Welsh.
I never experienced it for myself and tend to suspect that it was
all a bit of an old wives' tale.
But there were lots of people swearing that it was true - and
reflecting or reliving a sense of insult.
Back in North Wales, people knew exactly why they didn't want to give
away any information about their houses or farms when Liverpudlians
came into the cafe or pub.
Say that about gypsies and the law might come down on you.
Liverpudlians might seek the same legal status of protected
minority, as they are unfairly known for thieving and victimhood.
I was only following some recent posters who claimed they should be allowed to
discriminate against people from various minorities which had been shown to have higher rates of criminality.
Liverpudlians might seek the same legal status of protected
minority, as they are unfairly known for thieving and victimhood.
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