I'm not sure if "opposite" is quite what I mean. Netanyahu seems to me
very quick to shout "antisemitism" when anybody says anything he
doesn't like about Israel.
In one of the Facebook groups I follow there was a discussion about Gaza
and somebody posted a comment along the lines that "Hamas and all Palestinians should burn"
I reported it to Facebook, because it seemed highly offensive, and it
took three attempts before they agreed and took the post down. Because
of they way their system works I can't find the original post now, or
even discover which group it was in, they are pretty good at obscuring
things when they want to.
To get to my original question, if anybody said something like this
about Israel it seems to me it would qualify as antisemitic (although I accept I may be wrong). Is there a legal term to cover this malicious
hatred of Palestinians or it is just a general hate crime?
I can
understand people's views about Hamas, or any other terrorist
organisation, although whether this was an acceptable way to express the
view I don't know.
I'm not sure if "opposite" is quite what I mean. Netanyahu seems to me
very quick to shout "antisemitism" when anybody says anything he
doesn't like about Israel.
In one of the Facebook groups I follow there was a discussion about Gaza
and somebody posted a comment along the lines that "Hamas and all Palestinians should burn"
I reported it to Facebook, because it seemed highly offensive, and it
took three attempts before they agreed and took the post down. Because
of they way their system works I can't find the original post now, or
even discover which group it was in, they are pretty good at obscuring
things when they want to.
On 18/05/2025 16:09, Jeff Gaines wrote:
I'm not sure if "opposite" is quite what I mean. Netanyahu seems to
me very quick to shout "antisemitism" when anybody says anything he
doesn't like about Israel.
In one of the Facebook groups I follow there was a discussion about
Gaza and somebody posted a comment along the lines that "Hamas and all
Palestinians should burn"
I reported it to Facebook, because it seemed highly offensive, and it
took three attempts before they agreed and took the post down. Because
of they way their system works I can't find the original post now, or
even discover which group it was in, they are pretty good at obscuring
things when they want to.
To get to my original question, if anybody said something like this
about Israel it seems to me it would qualify as antisemitic (although
I accept I may be wrong). Is there a legal term to cover this
malicious hatred of Palestinians or it is just a general hate crime?
I don't think antisemitism is a legal term. And, I can't think of a
specific term for anti-Palestinianism. So, I guess it's all covered by racism.
I can understand people's views about Hamas, or any other terrorist
organisation, although whether this was an acceptable way to express
the view I don't know.
Hamas chose a course of action that was intended to provoke the current conflict.
(I don't think the Israelis should have taken the bait, but
that's another matter.) Hamas are prepared to sacrifice their civilian population for political purposes. So, yes, they are vile. (Oh, and I
don't think highly of Netanyahu, either.)
On 18 May 2025 15:09:26 GMT, Jeff Gaines wrote:
I'm not sure if "opposite" is quite what I mean. Netanyahu seems to me >>very quick to shout "antisemitism" when anybody says anything he
doesn't like about Israel.
In one of the Facebook groups I follow there was a discussion about Gaza >>and somebody posted a comment along the lines that "Hamas and all >>Palestinians should burn"
I reported it to Facebook, because it seemed highly offensive, and it
took three attempts before they agreed and took the post down. Because
of they way their system works I can't find the original post now, or
even discover which group it was in, they are pretty good at obscuring >>things when they want to.
Seems to me you would have done much better to let it go. Then everyone
could see just what sort of people we are supposed to be sympathising
with.
On 18 May 2025 15:09:26 GMT, Jeff Gaines wrote:
I'm not sure if "opposite" is quite what I mean. Netanyahu seems to me
very quick to shout "antisemitism" when anybody says anything he
doesn't like about Israel.
In one of the Facebook groups I follow there was a discussion about Gaza
and somebody posted a comment along the lines that "Hamas and all
Palestinians should burn"
I reported it to Facebook, because it seemed highly offensive, and it
took three attempts before they agreed and took the post down. Because
of they way their system works I can't find the original post now, or
even discover which group it was in, they are pretty good at obscuring
things when they want to.
Seems to me you would have done much better to let it go. Then everyone
could see just what sort of people we are supposed to be sympathising
with.
On 19 May 2025 at 17:59:12 BST, "GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 19/05/2025 12:05, Handsome Jack wrote:
On 18 May 2025 15:09:26 GMT, Jeff Gaines wrote:
I'm not sure if "opposite" is quite what I mean. Netanyahu seems to me >>>> very quick to shout "antisemitism" when anybody says anything he
doesn't like about Israel.
In one of the Facebook groups I follow there was a discussion about Gaza >>>> and somebody posted a comment along the lines that "Hamas and all
Palestinians should burn"
I reported it to Facebook, because it seemed highly offensive, and it
took three attempts before they agreed and took the post down. Because >>>> of they way their system works I can't find the original post now, or
even discover which group it was in, they are pretty good at obscuring >>>> things when they want to.
Seems to me you would have done much better to let it go. Then everyone
could see just what sort of people we are supposed to be sympathising
with.
Am I one of "those people"? And, just run past me what I've done wrong
exactly.
I suppose that entirely depends on whether you agree with the sentiment above,
that: "Hamas and all Palestinians should burn". If so, you are; if not, probably not.
On 19/05/2025 12:05, Handsome Jack wrote:
On 18 May 2025 15:09:26 GMT, Jeff Gaines wrote:
I'm not sure if "opposite" is quite what I mean. Netanyahu seems to me
very quick to shout "antisemitism" when anybody says anything he
doesn't like about Israel.
In one of the Facebook groups I follow there was a discussion about Gaza >>> and somebody posted a comment along the lines that "Hamas and all
Palestinians should burn"
I reported it to Facebook, because it seemed highly offensive, and it
took three attempts before they agreed and took the post down. Because
of they way their system works I can't find the original post now, or
even discover which group it was in, they are pretty good at obscuring
things when they want to.
Seems to me you would have done much better to let it go. Then everyone
could see just what sort of people we are supposed to be sympathising
with.
Am I one of "those people"? And, just run past me what I've done wrong exactly.
On 19/05/2025 10:44, GB wrote:
On 18/05/2025 16:09, Jeff Gaines wrote:
I'm not sure if "opposite" is quite what I mean. Netanyahu seems to
me very quick to shout "antisemitism" when anybody says anything he
doesn't like about Israel.
In one of the Facebook groups I follow there was a discussion about
Gaza and somebody posted a comment along the lines that "Hamas and
all Palestinians should burn"
I reported it to Facebook, because it seemed highly offensive, and it
took three attempts before they agreed and took the post down.
Because of they way their system works I can't find the original post
now, or even discover which group it was in, they are pretty good at
obscuring things when they want to.
To get to my original question, if anybody said something like this
about Israel it seems to me it would qualify as antisemitic (although
I accept I may be wrong). Is there a legal term to cover this
malicious hatred of Palestinians or it is just a general hate crime?
I don't think antisemitism is a legal term. And, I can't think of a
specific term for anti-Palestinianism. So, I guess it's all covered by
racism.
I can understand people's views about Hamas, or any other terrorist
organisation, although whether this was an acceptable way to express
the view I don't know.
Hamas chose a course of action that was intended to provoke the
current conflict.
Given Israel were given advanced warning of the impending attack, one
wonders the purpose of Israel ignoring the threat.
Perhaps to create a stick to beat Gazans?
On 19/05/2025 19:37, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 19 May 2025 at 17:59:12 BST, "GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote: >>
On 19/05/2025 12:05, Handsome Jack wrote:
On 18 May 2025 15:09:26 GMT, Jeff Gaines wrote:
I'm not sure if "opposite" is quite what I mean. Netanyahu seems to me >>>>> very quick to shout "antisemitism" when anybody says anything he
doesn't like about Israel.
In one of the Facebook groups I follow there was a discussion about Gaza >>>>> and somebody posted a comment along the lines that "Hamas and all
Palestinians should burn"
I reported it to Facebook, because it seemed highly offensive, and it >>>>> took three attempts before they agreed and took the post down. Because >>>>> of they way their system works I can't find the original post now, or >>>>> even discover which group it was in, they are pretty good at obscuring >>>>> things when they want to.
Seems to me you would have done much better to let it go. Then everyone >>>> could see just what sort of people we are supposed to be sympathising
with.
Am I one of "those people"? And, just run past me what I've done wrong
exactly.
I suppose that entirely depends on whether you agree with the sentiment above,
that: "Hamas and all Palestinians should burn". If so, you are; if not,
probably not.
Do you think Handsome Jack was limiting his comment to people who solely
say those particular words?
On 19/05/2025 13:00, Fredxx wrote:
Given Israel were given advanced warning of the impending attack, one
wonders the purpose of Israel ignoring the threat.
There are two explanations. Conspiracy theory, or cock up.
On 19/05/2025 17:55, GB wrote:
On 19/05/2025 13:00, Fredxx wrote:
Given Israel were given advanced warning of the impending attack, one
wonders the purpose of Israel ignoring the threat.
There are two explanations. Conspiracy theory, or cock up.
I'm always concerned about the context[1] of such 'warnings'.
If this was a lone warning from a credible source, then anyone ignoring
it was culpable.
If however they get 47 such warnings every weekday, and many more over a weekend, it would be easy for the one real warning amongst them to slip through the net.
[1] It's fairly obvious that we will never know that context.
On 19/05/2025 21:17, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 19/05/2025 17:55, GB wrote:I must admit I read that, and wondered about the source for his
On 19/05/2025 13:00, Fredxx wrote:
Given Israel were given advanced warning of the impending attack,
one wonders the purpose of Israel ignoring the threat.
There are two explanations. Conspiracy theory, or cock up.
I'm always concerned about the context[1] of such 'warnings'.
If this was a lone warning from a credible source, then anyone
ignoring it was culpable.
If however they get 47 such warnings every weekday, and many more over
a weekend, it would be easy for the one real warning amongst them to
slip through the net.
[1] It's fairly obvious that we will never know that context.
assertion. Back to you, Fred.
On 20/05/2025 17:14, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 19/05/2025 21:17, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 19/05/2025 17:55, GB wrote:I must admit I read that, and wondered about the source for his
On 19/05/2025 13:00, Fredxx wrote:
Given Israel were given advanced warning of the impending attack,
one wonders the purpose of Israel ignoring the threat.
There are two explanations. Conspiracy theory, or cock up.
I'm always concerned about the context[1] of such 'warnings'.
If this was a lone warning from a credible source, then anyone
ignoring it was culpable.
If however they get 47 such warnings every weekday, and many more
over a weekend, it would be easy for the one real warning amongst
them to slip through the net.
[1] It's fairly obvious that we will never know that context.
assertion. Back to you, Fred.
Much of the gathered intelligence will be classified for reasons of minimising embarrassment. However this make good reading and it's text
is well referenced:
https://ctc.westpoint.edu/the-october-7-attack-an-assessment-of-the- intelligence-failings/
On 19 May 2025 at 19:55:09 BST, "GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 19/05/2025 19:37, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 19 May 2025 at 17:59:12 BST, "GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote: >>>
On 19/05/2025 12:05, Handsome Jack wrote:
On 18 May 2025 15:09:26 GMT, Jeff Gaines wrote:
I'm not sure if "opposite" is quite what I mean. Netanyahu seems to me >>>>>> very quick to shout "antisemitism" when anybody says anything he
doesn't like about Israel.
In one of the Facebook groups I follow there was a discussion about Gaza >>>>>> and somebody posted a comment along the lines that "Hamas and all
Palestinians should burn"
I reported it to Facebook, because it seemed highly offensive, and it >>>>>> took three attempts before they agreed and took the post down. Because >>>>>> of they way their system works I can't find the original post now, or >>>>>> even discover which group it was in, they are pretty good at obscuring >>>>>> things when they want to.
Seems to me you would have done much better to let it go. Then everyone >>>>> could see just what sort of people we are supposed to be sympathising >>>>> with.
Am I one of "those people"? And, just run past me what I've done wrong >>>> exactly.
I suppose that entirely depends on whether you agree with the sentiment above,
that: "Hamas and all Palestinians should burn". If so, you are; if not,
probably not.
Do you think Handsome Jack was limiting his comment to people who solely
say those particular words?
I cannot know what posters on here get up to at home, but the words the two posters above wrote here apply only intemperate racist statements on Facebook which would probably be prosecuted as hate crimes if written about a group of Jews or Christians.
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