• Loft insulation scam

    From No mail@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 2 15:02:52 2025
    The family of a vulnerable person asked me to investigate an apparent
    scam where several cold callers have offered to check loft insulation.

    The first resulted in foam insulation being applied, the next (a few
    years later) in it being removed. Some months later the loft was
    "checked" (by a different company) and further work was contracted. A
    few months after this another company offered to check the loft and
    found that further work was needed. This most recent incident involved
    an "express request" under the CCR 2013 and seems to have involved the
    removal and replacement of existing insulation for a unreasonable amount
    of money.
    Having done some investigation, it's clear that many thousands of pounds
    have been paid to these scammers.

    The victim is unaware that they have been scammed, or that they are in cognitive decline. The family want to take action but are uncertain
    about how to proceed. I am able to investigate and report on the facts
    but am unable to advise on what they can do next.
    Any advice?

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  • From Pamela@21:1/5 to No mail on Mon Jun 2 15:44:57 2025
    On 15:02 2 Jun 2025, No mail said:

    The family of a vulnerable person asked me to investigate an apparent
    scam where several cold callers have offered to check loft
    insulation.

    The first resulted in foam insulation being applied, the next (a few
    years later) in it being removed. Some months later the loft was
    "checked" (by a different company) and further work was contracted. A
    few months after this another company offered to check the loft and
    found that further work was needed. This most recent incident
    involved an "express request" under the CCR 2013 and seems to have
    involved the removal and replacement of existing insulation for a unreasonable amount of money.

    Having done some investigation, it's clear that many thousands of
    pounds have been paid to these scammers.

    The victim is unaware that they have been scammed, or that they are
    in cognitive decline. The family want to take action but are
    uncertain about how to proceed. I am able to investigate and report
    on the facts but am unable to advise on what they can do next.
    Any advice?

    I have no doubt there are loft insulation scams, particularly as many
    home owners don't enter their loft to see its condition and would never
    know what has been done.

    Nevertheless, are taking into account changing standards over time
    about recommended thickness? Also foam insulation was once popular but
    then became discredited as technical faults appeared, so perhaps some
    of the work you mention was (allegedly) remedial. Presumably the various
    jobs were done by different companies.

    I wonder if any of the work was done under a grant, which the trader
    was only too keen to justify.

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  • From No mail@21:1/5 to Pamela on Mon Jun 2 19:46:28 2025
    Pamela wrote:
    On 15:02 2 Jun 2025, No mail said:

    The family of a vulnerable person asked me to investigate an apparent
    scam where several cold callers have offered to check loft
    insulation.

    The first resulted in foam insulation being applied, the next (a few
    years later) in it being removed. Some months later the loft was
    "checked" (by a different company) and further work was contracted. A
    few months after this another company offered to check the loft and
    found that further work was needed. This most recent incident
    involved an "express request" under the CCR 2013 and seems to have
    involved the removal and replacement of existing insulation for a
    unreasonable amount of money.

    Having done some investigation, it's clear that many thousands of
    pounds have been paid to these scammers.

    The victim is unaware that they have been scammed, or that they are
    in cognitive decline. The family want to take action but are
    uncertain about how to proceed. I am able to investigate and report
    on the facts but am unable to advise on what they can do next.
    Any advice?

    I have no doubt there are loft insulation scams, particularly as many
    home owners don't enter their loft to see its condition and would never
    know what has been done.

    Nevertheless, are taking into account changing standards over time
    about recommended thickness? Also foam insulation was once popular but
    then became discredited as technical faults appeared, so perhaps some
    of the work you mention was (allegedly) remedial. Presumably the various
    jobs were done by different companies.

    I wonder if any of the work was done under a grant, which the trader
    was only too keen to justify.


    I think you missed the bits about there being a series of cold callers
    who persuaded a vulnerable person that work was needed based on their unrequested assessment, that each charged an unreasonable amount of
    money and that at least one persuaded the victim to sign an "express
    request" contract.
    There were no grants.

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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to No mail on Tue Jun 3 13:43:14 2025
    On Mon, 02 Jun 2025 19:46:28 +0100, No mail wrote:

    Pamela wrote:
    On 15:02 2 Jun 2025, No mail said:

    The family of a vulnerable person asked me to investigate an apparent
    scam where several cold callers have offered to check loft insulation.

    The first resulted in foam insulation being applied, the next (a few
    years later) in it being removed. Some months later the loft was
    "checked" (by a different company) and further work was contracted. A
    few months after this another company offered to check the loft and
    found that further work was needed. This most recent incident involved
    an "express request" under the CCR 2013 and seems to have involved the
    removal and replacement of existing insulation for a unreasonable
    amount of money.

    Having done some investigation, it's clear that many thousands of
    pounds have been paid to these scammers.

    The victim is unaware that they have been scammed, or that they are in
    cognitive decline. The family want to take action but are uncertain
    about how to proceed. I am able to investigate and report on the facts
    but am unable to advise on what they can do next.
    Any advice?

    I have no doubt there are loft insulation scams, particularly as many
    home owners don't enter their loft to see its condition and would never
    know what has been done.

    Nevertheless, are taking into account changing standards over time
    about recommended thickness? Also foam insulation was once popular but
    then became discredited as technical faults appeared, so perhaps some
    of the work you mention was (allegedly) remedial. Presumably the
    various jobs were done by different companies.

    I wonder if any of the work was done under a grant, which the trader
    was only too keen to justify.


    I think you missed the bits about there being a series of cold callers
    who persuaded a vulnerable person that work was needed based on their unrequested assessment, that each charged an unreasonable amount of
    money and that at least one persuaded the victim to sign an "express
    request" contract.
    There were no grants.

    "Round our way" there's a flood of delboy1990@gmail.com type email
    addresses that post in FB local groups claiming to be "government backed"
    and that people on benefits can call them to have free insulation,
    boilers and fuck knows what else fitted.

    They also cold call and managed to catch SWMBO and bamboozle here into
    thinking they were somehow official and angling to come round to sort out
    a quote. After I was briefed, I took their next call where they admitted
    they had nothing to do with the government, had no intention whatsoever
    of doing an even halfway decent job, and would be Scotch Mist long before
    the paint dried. (They probably didn't realise they did admit that, but sometimes it's the tone rather than tne conversation that conveys the
    message).

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