On 02/06/2025 23:03, TTman wrote:
Man books a taxi from A to B at 3am on a Sunday morning. On arriving
at the destination, he does a runner.( Ignore the potential poor 'due
dilligence' by the taxi driver- i.e. taking a deposit or locking doors
to prevent exit until payent))
Is that a criminal offence or a civil offence?
As far as I know it's a criminal offence. I was a taxi driver back in
the 90's and it was certainly was back then.
Stupidly I allowed a guy to run up a £50 fare (was only supposed to be a wait and return and ended up being a 40 mile round trip across the
dstrict) and he said he was just nipping to this flat to get the money
and he and his girlfriend walked up to the flat window, waved at someone inside, then calmly walked round the back. After 5 mins I went up to
the window, little old lady sat there who didn't know them from Adam and thought it strange when they waved at her. I reported it to the police
and they were going to prosecute but then I heard nowt after that.
Man books a taxi from A to B at 3am on a Sunday morning. On arriving at
the destination, he does a runner.( Ignore the potential poor 'due dilligence' by the taxi driver- i.e. taking a deposit or locking doors
to prevent exit until payent))
Is that a criminal offence or a civil offence?
Incidentally, it's hard to see how the case could exhibit lack of due diligence by the driver. It can be an offence for a taxi-driver to lock
the doors in order to detain a passenger. And it is not the done thing
to demand the fare before starting the journey.
On Tue, 03 Jun 2025 11:39:29 +0100, JNugent wrote:
Incidentally, it's hard to see how the case could exhibit lack of due
diligence by the driver. It can be an offence for a taxi-driver to lock
the doors in order to detain a passenger. And it is not the done thing
to demand the fare before starting the journey.
You have to prepay with Uber. Just saying.
On Tue, 03 Jun 2025 11:39:29 +0100, JNugent wrote:
Incidentally, it's hard to see how the case could exhibit lack of due
diligence by the driver. It can be an offence for a taxi-driver to lock
the doors in order to detain a passenger. And it is not the done thing
to demand the fare before starting the journey.
You have to prepay with Uber. Just saying.
On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 14:58:50 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
<jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jun 2025 11:39:29 +0100, JNugent wrote:
Incidentally, it's hard to see how the case could exhibit lack of due
diligence by the driver. It can be an offence for a taxi-driver to
lock the doors in order to detain a passenger. And it is not the done
thing to demand the fare before starting the journey.
You have to prepay with Uber. Just saying.
Uber is a minicab (private hire) service, not a taxi (hackney carriage) service. It's normal to pay a fixed fare, payable in advance, for a
minicab journey. But the vast majority of taxis charge by the meter and
the fare is payable at the end of the journey.
On 03/06/2025 03:58 PM, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jun 2025 11:39:29 +0100, JNugent wrote:
Incidentally, it's hard to see how the case could exhibit lack of due
diligence by the driver. It can be an offence for a taxi-driver to
lock the doors in order to detain a passenger. And it is not the done
thing to demand the fare before starting the journey.
You have to prepay with Uber. Just saying.
Well, it's an old argument, but an Űber is not a taxi.
A taxi is licensed and is compulsorily fitted with an officially
adjusted taximeter. The fare cannot be reliably stated in advance
because of various things that might happen to vary that fare.
An Űber is a hire-car.
On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 14:58:50 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
<jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jun 2025 11:39:29 +0100, JNugent wrote:
Incidentally, it's hard to see how the case could exhibit lack of due
diligence by the driver. It can be an offence for a taxi-driver to lock
the doors in order to detain a passenger. And it is not the done thing
to demand the fare before starting the journey.
You have to prepay with Uber. Just saying.
Uber is a minicab (private hire) service, not a taxi (hackney carriage) >service. It's normal to pay a fixed fare, payable in advance, for a minicab >journey. But the vast majority of taxis charge by the meter and the fare is >payable at the end of the journey.
In message <os4u3klmp629mteo5iep9piuiirnql75od@4ax.com>, at 16:27:37 on
Tue, 3 Jun 2025, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
remarked:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 14:58:50 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk >><jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jun 2025 11:39:29 +0100, JNugent wrote:
Incidentally, it's hard to see how the case could exhibit lack of due
diligence by the driver. It can be an offence for a taxi-driver to
lock the doors in order to detain a passenger. And it is not the done
thing to demand the fare before starting the journey.
You have to prepay with Uber. Just saying.
Uber is a minicab (private hire) service, not a taxi (hackney carriage) >>service. It's normal to pay a fixed fare, payable in advance, for a
minicab journey. But the vast majority of taxis charge by the meter and
the fare is payable at the end of the journey.
Which is sometimes difficult if they have a cheap payment gadget
connected to O2, a network with legendarily poor coverage even in places you'd really really expect them to have done better.
You have to prepay with Uber. Just saying.
Uber is a minicab (private hire) service, not a taxi (hackney carriage) >>>service. It's normal to pay a fixed fare, payable in advance, for a >>>minicab journey. But the vast majority of taxis charge by the meter and >>>the fare is payable at the end of the journey.
Which is sometimes difficult if they have a cheap payment gadget
connected to O2, a network with legendarily poor coverage even in places
you'd really really expect them to have done better.
I wouldn't.
But then I have a lot of experience since SWMBO became unable to transfer >into a car so probably am not a good reviewer.
Ideally you need someone who has used a taxi once, in London, without
any need for assistance. I am sure they'd have a glowing review.
In message <101p5l0$23763$67@dont-email.me>, at 10:03:12 on Wed, 4 Jun
2025, Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> remarked:
You have to prepay with Uber. Just saying.
Uber is a minicab (private hire) service, not a taxi (hackney
carriage)
service. It's normal to pay a fixed fare, payable in advance, for a >>>>minicab journey. But the vast majority of taxis charge by the meter
and the fare is payable at the end of the journey.
Which is sometimes difficult if they have a cheap payment gadget
connected to O2, a network with legendarily poor coverage even in
places you'd really really expect them to have done better.
I wouldn't.
Two miles from Cambridge Science Park, and drivers have to get out of
the car and wave their gadget in the air to get a signal.
But then I have a lot of experience since SWMBO became unable to
transfer into a car so probably am not a good reviewer.
Sounds like you need one of those vans with a tail-lift.
Ideally you need someone who has used a taxi once, in London, without
any need for assistance. I am sure they'd have a glowing review.
I have no idea what this means.
On Thu, 05 Jun 2025 08:31:23 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <101p5l0$23763$67@dont-email.me>, at 10:03:12 on Wed, 4 Jun
2025, Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> remarked:
You have to prepay with Uber. Just saying.
Uber is a minicab (private hire) service, not a taxi (hackney >>>>>carriage)
service. It's normal to pay a fixed fare, payable in advance, for a >>>>>minicab journey. But the vast majority of taxis charge by the meter >>>>>and the fare is payable at the end of the journey.
Which is sometimes difficult if they have a cheap payment gadget
connected to O2, a network with legendarily poor coverage even in
places you'd really really expect them to have done better.
I wouldn't.
Two miles from Cambridge Science Park, and drivers have to get out of
the car and wave their gadget in the air to get a signal.
But then I have a lot of experience since SWMBO became unable to
transfer into a car so probably am not a good reviewer.
Sounds like you need one of those vans with a tail-lift.
We've come to a decision that I am not going to drive SWMBO as if she was
a taxi passenger. Also the second you require any adaptations to a car
you're on your own. And (as you'd expect) the very first question I got
from a dealer wasn't "what are your wifes requirements ?" but "You are
taking out finance aren't you ?". Which was a refreshing honest
demonstration of their priorities.
Ideally you need someone who has used a taxi once, in London, without
any need for assistance. I am sure they'd have a glowing review.
I have no idea what this means.
It means that able bodied folk taking a one off journey in a decent city
will assume that it's all peaches and cream for a wheelchair user who has
to rely on taxis not in London.
SWMBO was stranded once when TOA taxis were unable to fulfil a pre booked >appointment. I had to wheel her the 1.5 miles back home - luckily it was
just a hair appointment a a local shop. It would have been bad luck if it
was a hospital appointment 5 miles away.
In message <101ruer$23763$73@dont-email.me>, at 11:18:51 on Thu, 5 Jun
2025, Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> remarked:
[quoted text muted]
I'm surprised you don't qualify for a subsidised "Motability" vehicle.
My next door neighbours do.
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 05:52:40 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <101ruer$23763$73@dont-email.me>, at 11:18:51 on Thu, 5 Jun 2025, Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> remarked:
[quoted text muted]
I'm surprised you don't qualify for a subsidised "Motability" vehicle.
My next door neighbours do.
We do. However a combination of my eyesight (glaucoma, double trab these
past 8 months) waiting for the all-clear has made us prisoners of circumstance.
Even if I am allowed to drive in future, the transfer from chair to car
is .... precarious at best.
We are probably headed to a situation where the car needs to be
relinquished and we'll use the money for adventures in taxis.
Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:motability-2026/
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 05:52:40 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <101ruer$23763$73@dont-email.me>, at 11:18:51 on Thu, 5
Jun 2025, Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> remarked:
[quoted text muted]
I'm surprised you don't qualify for a subsidised "Motability"
vehicle.
My next door neighbours do.
We do. However a combination of my eyesight (glaucoma, double trab
these past 8 months) waiting for the all-clear has made us prisoners of
circumstance.
Even if I am allowed to drive in future, the transfer from chair to car
is .... precarious at best.
We are probably headed to a situation where the car needs to be
relinquished and we'll use the money for adventures in taxis.
Assuming they get better, keep an eye open for the Kia PV5 which has
integral wheelchair ramps and joins Motability next year: https://www.vertumotors.com/news/the-new-kia-pv5-wav-coming-to-
(although I can't tell if the ramps are electric or require manual
unfolding. The concept video showed them as electric)
Or, I suppose, you could buy your own London taxi (the current hybrid
TXe is pricey but the old diesel TX4 are cheap nowadays) which come with their own manual ramp.
There's also the 'Welcab' idea which is a minivan with a pull-out seat - popular in Japan so you'd need to find a Japanese import with one. https://www.japautosbongos.co.uk/disability-welcab
(unlike ramp-based vans, some have pull out front seats which means you
don't need a to drive around a giant bus the whole time - but you do
need to transfer which may be more awkward)
Probably won't find the latter two on Motability, although the price of
a TX4 is a fairly low barrier to entry. [Obligatory legal content:
check insurance for the TX4 as it may be harder to get as a
privately-driven taxi]
On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 14:58:50 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
<jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jun 2025 11:39:29 +0100, JNugent wrote:
Incidentally, it's hard to see how the case could exhibit lack of due
diligence by the driver. It can be an offence for a taxi-driver to
lock the doors in order to detain a passenger. And it is not the done
thing to demand the fare before starting the journey.
You have to prepay with Uber. Just saying.
Uber is a minicab (private hire) service, not a taxi (hackney carriage) service. It's normal to pay a fixed fare, payable in advance, for a
minicab journey. But the vast majority of taxis charge by the meter and
the fare is payable at the end of the journey.
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