• Re: UK to ban campaign group Palestine Action under anti-terrorism laws

    From The Todal@21:1/5 to Ottavio Caruso on Mon Jun 23 15:53:46 2025
    On 23/06/2025 15:44, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
    https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/uk-police-ban- palestine-action-protest-outside-parliament-2025-06-23/

    LONDON, June 23 (Reuters) - Britain said on Monday it would use anti-terrorism laws to ban the campaign organisation Palestine
    Action, making it a criminal offence to belong to the group after
    its activists damaged two UK military planes in protest at
    London's support for Israel.

    My question is: why did the Govt have to wait until they broke into a military base?


    Because most Labour government decisions to suppress dissent are made as
    a result of bad publicity in the Daily Mail or similar.

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  • From Ottavio Caruso@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 23 15:44:35 2025
    https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/uk-police-ban-palestine-action-protest-outside-parliament-2025-06-23/

    LONDON, June 23 (Reuters) - Britain said on Monday it would use anti-terrorism laws to ban the campaign organisation Palestine
    Action, making it a criminal offence to belong to the group after
    its activists damaged two UK military planes in protest at
    London's support for Israel.

    My question is: why did the Govt have to wait until they broke into a
    military base?

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    Ottavio Caruso

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Ottavio Caruso on Mon Jun 23 15:18:19 2025
    Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
    https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/uk-police-ban-palestine-action-protest-outside-parliament-2025-06-23/

    LONDON, June 23 (Reuters) - Britain said on Monday it would use
    anti-terrorism laws to ban the campaign organisation Palestine
    Action, making it a criminal offence to belong to the group after
    its activists damaged two UK military planes in protest at
    London's support for Israel.

    My question is: why did the Govt have to wait until they broke into a military base?

    The government needs a causus belli to act?

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    Spike

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  • From Mark Goodge@21:1/5 to ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com on Mon Jun 23 18:14:17 2025
    On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 15:44:35 +0100, Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

    https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/uk-police-ban-palestine-action-protest-outside-parliament-2025-06-23/

    LONDON, June 23 (Reuters) - Britain said on Monday it would use anti-terrorism laws to ban the campaign organisation Palestine
    Action, making it a criminal offence to belong to the group after
    its activists damaged two UK military planes in protest at
    London's support for Israel.

    My question is: why did the Govt have to wait until they broke into a >military base?

    The government didn't have to wait. I suspect that it was already
    considering doing so, and this was the proverbial camel-back straw.

    Mark

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to Mark Goodge on Tue Jun 24 09:51:28 2025
    On 23/06/2025 18:14, Mark Goodge wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 15:44:35 +0100, Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

    https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/uk-police-ban-palestine-action-protest-outside-parliament-2025-06-23/

    LONDON, June 23 (Reuters) - Britain said on Monday it would use
    anti-terrorism laws to ban the campaign organisation Palestine
    Action, making it a criminal offence to belong to the group after
    its activists damaged two UK military planes in protest at
    London's support for Israel.

    My question is: why did the Govt have to wait until they broke into a
    military base?

    The government didn't have to wait. I suspect that it was already
    considering doing so, and this was the proverbial camel-back straw.

    It doesn't say much for the base perimeter security though does it?

    There are bad actors from other hostile states right now who would do
    much more than spray paint the planes if they got close enough.

    Tends to suggest that if the current draconian anti-terrorism laws had
    been around at the time they would have been used against the women suffragettes and also the women protesting at Greenham Common airbase.

    Both used unconventional methods of protest like vandalism and the like
    to get publicity for their cause - sometimes involving paint.

    --
    Martin Brown

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Martin Brown on Tue Jun 24 13:16:52 2025
    On 24/06/2025 09:51 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 23/06/2025 18:14, Mark Goodge wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 15:44:35 +0100, Ottavio Caruso
    <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

    https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/uk-police-ban-palestine-action-protest-outside-parliament-2025-06-23/


    LONDON, June 23 (Reuters) - Britain said on Monday it would use
    anti-terrorism laws to ban the campaign organisation Palestine
    Action, making it a criminal offence to belong to the group after
    its activists damaged two UK military planes in protest at
    London's support for Israel.

    My question is: why did the Govt have to wait until they broke into a
    military base?

    The government didn't have to wait. I suspect that it was already
    considering doing so, and this was the proverbial camel-back straw.

    It doesn't say much for the base perimeter security though does it?

    No. Or for the rules of engagement controlling the actions of guards
    (the RAF Regiment, still?).

    There are bad actors from other hostile states right now who would do
    much more than spray paint the planes if they got close enough.

    Tends to suggest that if the current draconian anti-terrorism laws had
    been around at the time they would have been used against the women suffragettes and also the women protesting at Greenham Common airbase.

    Both used unconventional methods of protest like vandalism and the like
    to get publicity for their cause - sometimes involving paint.

    That doesn't make any of it right.

    What if it were your property - or your mother's - which was damaged or destroyed?

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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to JNugent on Tue Jun 24 13:40:50 2025
    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 13:16:52 +0100, JNugent wrote:

    On 24/06/2025 09:51 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
    [quoted text muted]

    No. Or for the rules of engagement controlling the actions of guards
    (the RAF Regiment, still?).

    Pretty certain military security was outsourced to SERCO/G4S/Atos yonks
    ago.

    You won't find any soldiers patrolling perimeters.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 24 15:27:15 2025
    On 24/06/2025 02:40 PM, Jethro_uk wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 13:16:52 +0100, JNugent wrote:

    On 24/06/2025 09:51 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
    [quoted text muted]

    No. Or for the rules of engagement controlling the actions of guards
    (the RAF Regiment, still?).

    Pretty certain military security was outsourced to SERCO/G4S/Atos yonks
    ago.

    You won't find any soldiers patrolling perimeters.

    It sounds as though it needs to be reviewed, wouldn't you say?


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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to JNugent on Tue Jun 24 16:39:41 2025
    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 15:27:15 +0100, JNugent wrote:

    On 24/06/2025 02:40 PM, Jethro_uk wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 13:16:52 +0100, JNugent wrote:

    On 24/06/2025 09:51 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
    [quoted text muted]

    No. Or for the rules of engagement controlling the actions of guards
    (the RAF Regiment, still?).

    Pretty certain military security was outsourced to SERCO/G4S/Atos yonks
    ago.

    You won't find any soldiers patrolling perimeters.

    It sounds as though it needs to be reviewed, wouldn't you say?

    I wouldn't have any argument with that.

    However I am a big fan (as was Mrs T. weirdly) of the idea that Britain
    does not put soldiers on streets (we'll park Northern Ireland for now).

    The internal policing of the UK should be undertaken by a civilian force
    with the appropriate powers and training.

    I never want to see soldiers acting as police in the UK. If I have to,
    then there has been an almighty failure somewhere.

    We're not French for Gods sake !

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 24 23:40:11 2025
    On 24/06/2025 05:39 PM, Jethro_uk wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 15:27:15 +0100, JNugent wrote:

    On 24/06/2025 02:40 PM, Jethro_uk wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 13:16:52 +0100, JNugent wrote:

    On 24/06/2025 09:51 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
    [quoted text muted]

    No. Or for the rules of engagement controlling the actions of guards
    (the RAF Regiment, still?).

    Pretty certain military security was outsourced to SERCO/G4S/Atos yonks
    ago.

    You won't find any soldiers patrolling perimeters.

    It sounds as though it needs to be reviewed, wouldn't you say?

    I wouldn't have any argument with that.

    However I am a big fan (as was Mrs T. weirdly) of the idea that Britain
    does not put soldiers on streets (we'll park Northern Ireland for now).

    The area enclosed by the perimter fence surrounding an armed forces base
    is *not* a street. AAMOF, everybody without a distinct authorisation is
    not allowed inside.

    Mrs Thatcher never, AFAIAA, expressed distaste for the idea of soldiers guarding military installations.

    Or Buckingham Palace.

    The internal policing of the UK should be undertaken by a civilian force
    with the appropriate powers and training.

    I never want to see soldiers acting as police in the UK. If I have to,
    then there has been an almighty failure somewhere.

    We're not French for Gods sake !

    Have you never heard of the RAF Regiment?

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