• Pro-Palestinian activists (*) damage equipment bound for Ukraine

    From Ottavio Caruso@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 27 15:45:54 2025
    (*) in Belgium:

    https://english.nv.ua/nation/pro-palestinian-activists-vandalize-belgian-firm-supplying-arms-to-ukraine-50525278.html

    In the Belgian city of Tournai, pro-Palestinian activists
    broke into the premises of the defense company OIP and
    damaged equipment that was reportedly intended for Ukraine,
    Brussels Signal reported on June 24.

    The coordinated actions targeted two Belgian companies
    — OIP in Tournai and Syensqo in Haren — with activists
    accusing them of complicity in Israel’s military operations in Gaza.

    Meanwhile in Blighty, Palestine Action has not been banned yet:

    https://fullfact.org/politics/when-would-palestine-action-become-proscribed-organisation-terrorism/

    Contrary to some claims on social media, however, at the
    time of writing on Thursday 26 June this ban hadn’t yet
    come into effect. A draft proscription order will be laid
    in parliament on Monday 30 June, and if passed, this would
    then make it illegal to “be a member of, or invite support
    for, Palestine Action”.


    My question is: rather than just banning these organisation, why can't
    their members be arrested and charged for terrorism right now? Otherwise
    do we only consider an act to be terrorist if it is committed by a
    proscribed organisation?



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    Ottavio Caruso

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  • From GB@21:1/5 to Ottavio Caruso on Sat Jun 28 12:43:34 2025
    On 27/06/2025 15:45, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
    (*)  in Belgium:

    https://english.nv.ua/nation/pro-palestinian-activists-vandalize- belgian-firm-supplying-arms-to-ukraine-50525278.html

    In the Belgian city of Tournai, pro-Palestinian activists
    broke into the premises of the defense company OIP and
    damaged equipment that was reportedly intended for Ukraine,
    Brussels Signal reported on June 24.

    The coordinated actions targeted two Belgian companies
    — OIP in Tournai and Syensqo in Haren — with activists
    accusing them of complicity in Israel’s military operations in Gaza.

    Meanwhile in Blighty, Palestine Action has not been banned yet:

    https://fullfact.org/politics/when-would-palestine-action-become- proscribed-organisation-terrorism/

    Contrary to some claims on social media, however, at the
    time of writing on Thursday 26 June this ban hadn’t yet
    come into effect. A draft proscription order will be laid
    in parliament on Monday 30 June, and if passed, this would
    then make it illegal to “be a member of, or invite support
    for, Palestine Action”.


    My question is: rather than just banning these organisation, why can't
    their members be arrested and charged for terrorism right now? Otherwise
    do we only consider an act to be terrorist if it is committed by a
    proscribed organisation?

    Four arrested after RAF Brize Norton break-in

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq6m79n6q65o

    Proscription means they can be arrested just for belonging/supporting.
    It's a big step in a reasonably free society!

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  • From Ottavio Caruso@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 28 15:18:24 2025
    Op 28/06/2025 om 12:43 schreef GB:


    Four arrested after RAF Brize Norton break-in

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq6m79n6q65o

    Proscription means they can be arrested just for belonging/supporting.
    It's a big step in a reasonably free society!




    Yes, ok, but, if I get it right, they can be arrested after the
    organisation has been proscribed, which hasn't happened yet.

    The four arrested could have a point in saying: "We didn't know it was terrorism".

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    Ottavio Caruso

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  • From Jon Ribbens@21:1/5 to Ottavio Caruso on Sat Jun 28 20:52:40 2025
    On 2025-06-28, Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Op 28/06/2025 om 12:43 schreef GB:
    Four arrested after RAF Brize Norton break-in

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq6m79n6q65o

    Proscription means they can be arrested just for belonging/supporting.
    It's a big step in a reasonably free society!

    Yes, ok, but, if I get it right, they can be arrested after the
    organisation has been proscribed, which hasn't happened yet.

    The four arrested could have a point in saying: "We didn't know it was terrorism".

    I'm not sure that would help them much. But they could certainly try
    and argue that it *wasn't* terrorism.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Ottavio Caruso on Sat Jun 28 17:15:30 2025
    On 28/06/2025 03:18 PM, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
    Op 28/06/2025 om 12:43 schreef GB:


    Four arrested after RAF Brize Norton break-in

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq6m79n6q65o

    Proscription means they can be arrested just for belonging/supporting.
    It's a big step in a reasonably free society!




    Yes, ok, but, if I get it right, they can be arrested after the
    organisation has been proscribed, which hasn't happened yet.

    The four arrested could have a point in saying: "We didn't know it was terrorism".

    The utility of saying it is dubious.

    You wouldn't expect a criminal to get away with a crime by saying he
    didn't know it was illegal to:

    break and enter
    carry out an assault
    commit a fraud
    etc.

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to JNugent on Sun Jun 29 17:36:54 2025
    On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:15:30 +0100
    JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:

    On 28/06/2025 03:18 PM, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
    Op 28/06/2025 om 12:43 schreef GB:


    Four arrested after RAF Brize Norton break-in

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq6m79n6q65o

    Proscription means they can be arrested just for
    belonging/supporting. It's a big step in a reasonably free society!




    Yes, ok, but, if I get it right, they can be arrested after the organisation has been proscribed, which hasn't happened yet.

    The four arrested could have a point in saying: "We didn't know it
    was terrorism".

    The utility of saying it is dubious.

    You wouldn't expect a criminal to get away with a crime by saying he
    didn't know it was illegal to:

    break and enter
    carry out an assault
    commit a fraud
    etc.


    Somebody recently explained that he didn't know that rape was not
    approved of in our country, unlike in his own, presumably.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Ottavio Caruso on Sun Jun 29 17:38:42 2025
    On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 15:18:24 +0100
    Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Op 28/06/2025 om 12:43 schreef GB:


    Four arrested after RAF Brize Norton break-in

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq6m79n6q65o

    Proscription means they can be arrested just for
    belonging/supporting. It's a big step in a reasonably free society!




    Yes, ok, but, if I get it right, they can be arrested after the
    organisation has been proscribed, which hasn't happened yet.

    The four arrested could have a point in saying: "We didn't know it
    was terrorism".


    I only hope that the court makes them pay for the repair of the
    engines. That might make them think again before repeating such stupid
    action
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    Davey.

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  • From billy bookcase@21:1/5 to JNugent on Sun Jun 29 21:39:58 2025
    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message news:mcaip2Fpe97U2@mid.individual.net...

    On 28/06/2025 03:18 PM, Ottavio Caruso wrote:

    The four arrested could have a point in saying: "We didn't know it was
    terrorism".

    The utility of saying it is dubious.

    You wouldn't expect a criminal to get away with a crime by saying he
    didn't know it was illegal to:

    break and enter
    carry out an assault
    commit a fraud
    etc.

    Or fail to stop; when requested to do so by a uniformed Constable ?


    bb

    ...

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to billy bookcase on Sun Jun 29 23:03:25 2025
    On 29/06/2025 09:39 PM, billy bookcase wrote:

    "JNugent" <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote in message news:mcaip2Fpe97U2@mid.individual.net...
    On 28/06/2025 03:18 PM, Ottavio Caruso wrote:

    The four arrested could have a point in saying: "We didn't know it was
    terrorism".

    The utility of saying it is dubious.

    You wouldn't expect a criminal to get away with a crime by saying he
    didn't know it was illegal to:

    break and enter
    carry out an assault
    commit a fraud
    etc.

    Or fail to stop; when requested to do so by a uniformed Constable ?

    Well, anything that is illegal, including that.

    You may add it as another example if you wish.

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