• UK government at it again - super super injunction

    From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 15 13:59:33 2025
    Shocking case, and one that reinforces my deep mistrust of all
    governments.


    https://goodallandgoodluck.substack.com/p/my-two-years-in-secret-court-how


    For nearly two years, journalist Lewis Goodall was silenced by an
    unprecedented government super-injunction concerning a catastrophic
    Ministry of Defence (MoD) data breach. This breach exposed the personal
    details of approximately 18,000 Afghans (potentially affecting 100,000 including families) who had applied for UK asylum under the ARAP scheme, designed for those who assisted British forces during the war in
    Afghanistan. The leak placed them at severe risk of Taliban reprisal.

    Goodall learned of the breach in August 2023. Before he could responsibly report it (after alerting the MoD), he was summoned to an emergency
    injunction hearing. Shockingly, the government secured a super-injunction
    – a legal tool typically used by celebrities for privacy. This not only banned reporting *on the breach itself* but also banned any mention *of
    the injunction's existence*, a constitutional first. Justice Knowles
    granted this, arguing the risk to life negated any press freedom balance. Initially, Goodall accepted the government’s assurance this was temporary
    to allow for relocations.

    Months passed with no communication. At a subsequent hearing, Goodall discovered the government planned to help only around 200 principals
    (approx. 1,000 people total) – just 1% of those potentially at risk. Crucially, the government now argued the injunction must stay in place *indefinitely*, not for evacuation, but to suppress the story. Their new justification: while the Taliban *might* have the data, confirming it was impossible, so awareness could endanger Afghans. The injunction would
    only lift at a hypothetical "breakglass moment" when the Taliban's
    knowledge became certain – a justification Goodall argued could last
    forever.

    This plunged the case into "Kafkaesque" territory. Hearings occurred in a locked, secret court (Court 27). Parliament and the public were denied knowledge of a massive scandal involving government incompetence, a
    covert MoD resettlement program (eventually bringing over 6,900+ Afghans
    at huge cost, potentially £800m-£7bn), and profound implications for
    asylum policy and public finances – all during a general election year. Government lawyers frequently invoked "closed sessions," excluding even
    the media's lawyers when challenged. Goodall grew convinced political
    motives – protecting a besieged Sunak government from a damaging story
    and avoiding asylum hotel pressures – were driving the secrecy.

    The sole check on executive power was High Court judge Martin
    Chamberlain, who bravely challenged the government and even briefly
    lifted the injunction, only to be overruled by the Court of Appeal.
    Goodall highlighted the dangerous precedent of such vast power resting on
    one judge in secret proceedings.

    The injunction finally collapsed in June 2025. A government-commissioned
    review (Rimmer Report), ordered by the new Defence Secretary John Healey, concluded the leaked data was "unlikely to substantially change an individual’s existing exposure" given other available Taliban
    intelligence. Justice Chamberlain ruled this fundamentally undermined the entire basis for the two-year secrecy. The government quietly closed the
    ARAP scheme days before the report's release.

    Goodall concludes by questioning the immense cost of the legal secrecy,
    the dangerous constitutional precedent set for unchecked executive power,
    and the betrayal of Afghan allies owed a debt – a debt seemingly only deepened by the ordeal.

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  • From Roland Perry@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 16 11:06:48 2025
    In message <1055ms5$1geqj$12@dont-email.me>, at 13:59:33 on Tue, 15 Jul
    2025, Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> remarked:

    the government secured a super-injunction – a legal tool typically
    used by celebrities for privacy. This not only banned reporting *on the >breach itself* but also banned any mention *of the injunction's
    existence*, a constitutional first.

    ICBW, but isn't the "super" simply a way of saying that you can't report
    the injunction's existence. So not a 'first' at all.
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From Jethro_uk@21:1/5 to Roland Perry on Wed Jul 16 15:59:15 2025
    On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 11:06:48 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:

    In message <1055ms5$1geqj$12@dont-email.me>, at 13:59:33 on Tue, 15 Jul
    2025, Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> remarked:

    the government secured a super-injunction – a legal tool typically used >>by celebrities for privacy. This not only banned reporting *on the
    breach itself* but also banned any mention *of the injunction's
    existence*, a constitutional first.

    ICBW, but isn't the "super" simply a way of saying that you can't report
    the injunction's existence. So not a 'first' at all.

    I was under the impression (as were 2 other people I spoke to casually)
    that superinjunctions had been discontinued.

    It seems that the news they hadn't was in itself subject to a
    superinjunction.

    It seems worryingly that even the incoming government last year had no
    idea this injunction existed.

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  • From Peter Johnson@21:1/5 to jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com on Wed Jul 16 19:41:31 2025
    On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 13:59:33 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
    <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:

    Shocking case, and one that reinforces my deep mistrust of all
    governments.

    It was the judge who granted the injunction who made it a super
    injunction. It wasn't what the government asked for.

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  • From Jon Ribbens@21:1/5 to Peter Johnson on Wed Jul 16 23:21:31 2025
    On 2025-07-16, Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 13:59:33 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
    <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
    Shocking case, and one that reinforces my deep mistrust of all
    governments.

    It was the judge who granted the injunction who made it a super
    injunction. It wasn't what the government asked for.

    You're saying the government asked for something and the judge said
    "no, I'm going to give you what you asked for and then ten times more?"

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  • From Roland Perry@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 17 10:44:22 2025
    In message <1058i8j$1geqj$14@dont-email.me>, at 15:59:15 on Wed, 16 Jul
    2025, Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> remarked:
    On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 11:06:48 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:

    In message <1055ms5$1geqj$12@dont-email.me>, at 13:59:33 on Tue, 15 Jul
    2025, Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> remarked:

    the government secured a super-injunction – a legal tool typically used >>>by celebrities for privacy. This not only banned reporting *on the
    breach itself* but also banned any mention *of the injunction's >>>existence*, a constitutional first.

    ICBW, but isn't the "super" simply a way of saying that you can't report
    the injunction's existence. So not a 'first' at all.

    I was under the impression (as were 2 other people I spoke to casually)
    that superinjunctions had been discontinued.

    It seems that the news they hadn't was in itself subject to a >superinjunction.

    It seems worryingly that even the incoming government last year had no
    idea this injunction existed.

    I'm sure that the relevant people would have been informed, as soon as
    taking office. They might not have known the before.
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From Roland Perry@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 17 10:46:03 2025
    In message <slrn107gcvr.612.jon+usenet@raven.unequivocal.eu>, at
    23:21:31 on Wed, 16 Jul 2025, Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu>
    remarked:
    On 2025-07-16, Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 13:59:33 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk >><jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
    Shocking case, and one that reinforces my deep mistrust of all >>>governments.

    It was the judge who granted the injunction who made it a super
    injunction. It wasn't what the government asked for.

    You're saying the government asked for something and the judge said
    "no, I'm going to give you what you asked for and then ten times more?"

    He would have thought "What you've asked for isn't fit for purpose, so
    I'll grant you something which is".
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From billy bookcase@21:1/5 to jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com on Thu Jul 17 12:21:16 2025
    "Jethro_uk" <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote in message news:1055ms5$1geqj$12@dont-email.me...

    Shocking case, and one that reinforces my deep mistrust of all
    governments.



    I'm sorry I can't agree.

    The Government's primary responsibility will always be to the 18.000
    Afghans, along with their families who helped the British in Afghanistan.
    And whose identities could have become known, and their safety compromised,
    by publicising a leak involving their identities. And if it took a super-injunction to achieve that end, then so be it.


    Their safety has to take precedence over the public's right to know, even
    if it's about yet more Government incompetence, and security cock-ups

    While as to the piece itself


    quote :

    Goodall learned of the breach in August 2023. Before he could responsibly report it (after alerting the MoD),

    : unquote

    How is it possible to "responsibly" report on a leak concerning the identities of 18,000 Afghans along with their families, without thereby potentially tipping off the Taliban to the existence of the leaked material ? And in the process confirming the actual number of "helpers".

    " After alerting the MOD"

    And what exactly were the MOD supposed to do ? Round up all 18,000 along with their families, and put them in safe houses prior to publication ?

    Possibly this was a lame attempt to deflect any blame onto the MOD; should any reprisals by the Taliban result from publication .

    While the only reason the Super-Injunction was lifted was because
    HH Justice Chamberlain concluded, on the basis of the Rimmer Report, that
    after two years it was likely the information was now more widely
    available

    Which hadn't necessarily been the case two years, previously. Or at any time prior to the lifting of the Injunction. That's the point

    quote:

    Shockingly, the government secured a super-injunction - a legal tool
    typically used by celebrities for privacy. This not only banned reporting *on the breach itself* but also banned any mention *of the injunction's existence*,
    a constitutional first.

    :unquote

    While even more *shockingly* the *shocked* author of this *shocking* report clearly doesn't seem to appreciate that had been any previous "shocking super-injunctions sought by the Government, then by definition he wouldn;t
    know about them, anyway. So that *shocking* as this may be, it wouldn;t necessarily represent a constitutional first, after all.



    bb



    https://goodallandgoodluck.substack.com/p/my-two-years-in-secret-court-how


    For nearly two years, journalist Lewis Goodall was silenced by an unprecedented government super-injunction concerning a catastrophic
    Ministry of Defence (MoD) data breach. This breach exposed the personal details of approximately 18,000 Afghans (potentially affecting 100,000 including families) who had applied for UK asylum under the ARAP scheme, designed for those who assisted British forces during the war in
    Afghanistan. The leak placed them at severe risk of Taliban reprisal.


    Goodall learned of the breach in August 2023. Before he could responsibly report it (after alerting the MoD),he was summoned to an emergency
    injunction hearing. Shockingly, the government secured a super-injunction
    - a legal tool typically used by celebrities for privacy. This not only banned reporting *on the breach itself* but also banned any mention *of
    the injunction's existence*, a constitutional first. Justice Knowles
    granted this, arguing the risk to life negated any press freedom balance. Initially, Goodall accepted the government's assurance this was temporary
    to allow for relocations.

    Months passed with no communication. At a subsequent hearing, Goodall discovered the government planned to help only around 200 principals
    (approx. 1,000 people total) - just 1% of those potentially at risk. Crucially, the government now argued the injunction must stay in place *indefinitely*, not for evacuation, but to suppress the story. Their new justification: while the Taliban *might* have the data, confirming it was impossible, so awareness could endanger Afghans. The injunction would
    only lift at a hypothetical "breakglass moment" when the Taliban's
    knowledge became certain - a justification Goodall argued could last
    forever.

    This plunged the case into "Kafkaesque" territory. Hearings occurred in a locked, secret court (Court 27). Parliament and the public were denied knowledge of a massive scandal involving government incompetence, a
    covert MoD resettlement program (eventually bringing over 6,900+ Afghans
    at huge cost, potentially £800m-£7bn), and profound implications for
    asylum policy and public finances - all during a general election year. Government lawyers frequently invoked "closed sessions," excluding even
    the media's lawyers when challenged. Goodall grew convinced political
    motives - protecting a besieged Sunak government from a damaging story
    and avoiding asylum hotel pressures - were driving the secrecy.

    The sole check on executive power was High Court judge Martin
    Chamberlain, who bravely challenged the government and even briefly
    lifted the injunction, only to be overruled by the Court of Appeal.
    Goodall highlighted the dangerous precedent of such vast power resting on
    one judge in secret proceedings.

    The injunction finally collapsed in June 2025. A government-commissioned review (Rimmer Report), ordered by the new Defence Secretary John Healey, concluded the leaked data was "unlikely to substantially change an individual's existing exposure" given other available Taliban
    intelligence. Justice Chamberlain ruled this fundamentally undermined the entire basis for the two-year secrecy. The government quietly closed the
    ARAP scheme days before the report's release.

    Goodall concludes by questioning the immense cost of the legal secrecy,
    the dangerous constitutional precedent set for unchecked executive power,
    and the betrayal of Afghan allies owed a debt - a debt seemingly only deepened by the ordeal.


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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to Roland Perry on Thu Jul 17 13:34:41 2025
    On 17/07/2025 10:44, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <1058i8j$1geqj$14@dont-email.me>, at 15:59:15 on Wed, 16 Jul
    2025, Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> remarked:
    On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 11:06:48 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:

    In message <1055ms5$1geqj$12@dont-email.me>, at 13:59:33 on Tue, 15 Jul
    2025, Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> remarked:

    the government secured a super-injunction – a legal tool typically used >>>> by celebrities for privacy. This not only banned reporting *on the
    breach itself* but also banned any mention *of the injunction's
    existence*, a constitutional first.

    ICBW, but isn't the "super" simply a way of saying that you can't report >>> the injunction's existence. So not a 'first' at all.

    I was under the impression (as were 2 other people I spoke to casually)
    that superinjunctions had been discontinued.

    It seems that the news they hadn't was in itself subject to a
    superinjunction.

    It seems worryingly that even the incoming government last year had no
    idea this injunction existed.

    I'm sure that the relevant people would have been informed, as soon as
    taking office. They might not have known the before.

    I'm not convinced. Several senior people who I thought ought to have
    known when interviewed by the BBC have said that they learned about it
    at the same time as we did! IOW when the super injunction was lifted.

    Allowing large files to be sent as attachments by email to multiple
    external recipients is a recognised risk in any IT infrastructure. Odd
    that the MOD systems didn't flag it up as high risk. Some places have
    flags inside documents to prohibit them being sent off site as email attachments.

    I worry about the competence of the MOD systems people. If they really
    did send emails to all 18k affected individuals historic email addresses
    at once they might as well have painted a target on their backs!

    Traffic analysis can glean a lot of useful information if you don't do
    that right even when the material is (hopefully) end to end encrypted.
    But given their track record it could have been sent in the clear.

    --
    Martin Brown

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  • From Roland Perry@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 17 15:35:06 2025
    In message <105aql1$1bm7c$2@dont-email.me>, at 13:34:41 on Thu, 17 Jul
    2025, Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> remarked:
    On 17/07/2025 10:44, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <1058i8j$1geqj$14@dont-email.me>, at 15:59:15 on Wed, 16
    Jul 2025, Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> remarked:
    On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 11:06:48 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:

    In message <1055ms5$1geqj$12@dont-email.me>, at 13:59:33 on Tue, 15 Jul >>>> 2025, Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> remarked:

    the government secured a super-injunction – a legal tool typically used >>>>> by celebrities for privacy. This not only banned reporting *on the
    breach itself* but also banned any mention *of the injunction's
    existence*, a constitutional first.

    ICBW, but isn't the "super" simply a way of saying that you can't report >>>> the injunction's existence. So not a 'first' at all.

    I was under the impression (as were 2 other people I spoke to casually)
    that superinjunctions had been discontinued.

    It seems that the news they hadn't was in itself subject to a
    superinjunction.

    It seems worryingly that even the incoming government last year had no
    idea this injunction existed.

    I'm sure that the relevant people would have been informed, as soon
    as taking office. They might not have known the before.

    I'm not convinced. Several senior people who I thought ought to have
    known when interviewed by the BBC have said that they learned about it
    at the same time as we did! IOW when the super injunction was lifted.

    Perhaps they weren't "relevant people" in this context.

    Allowing large files to be sent as attachments by email to multiple
    external recipients is a recognised risk in any IT infrastructure. Odd
    that the MOD systems didn't flag it up as high risk. Some places have
    flags inside documents to prohibit them being sent off site as email >attachments.

    I've worked at places which treat any incoming attachment as highly
    suspect, and make them almost impossible to access. Don't think they
    prevented *sending* them though. Unless some blanket restriction like
    25MB per email.

    I worry about the competence of the MOD systems people. If they really
    did send emails to all 18k affected individuals historic email
    addresses at once they might as well have painted a target on their
    backs!

    Traffic analysis can glean a lot of useful information if you don't do
    that right even when the material is (hopefully) end to end encrypted.
    But given their track record it could have been sent in the clear.

    Bulk emails like that are very hard to individually end-to-end encrypt.
    It basically requires a PKI, and that's usually been firmly in the "too difficult" box.
    --
    Roland Perry

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