Suppose, for the sake of argument, a high-profile individual with international connections were to have been released from prison and
then, almost immediately afterwards charged with two cases of
harassment, wouldn't they have had their passport withdrawn because of
the flight risk? Then suppose, again just for the sake of argument, that
they were then later alleged to have committed an assault and were being sought by the police, wouldn't it then have been impossible for them to
flee the country? Hypothetically speaking, that is.
On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 07:59:52 +0100, Nick Odell wrote:
Suppose, for the sake of argument, a high-profile individual with
international connections were to have been released from prison and
then, almost immediately afterwards charged with two cases of
harassment, wouldn't they have had their passport withdrawn because of
the flight risk? Then suppose, again just for the sake of argument, that
they were then later alleged to have committed an assault and were being
sought by the police, wouldn't it then have been impossible for them to
flee the country? Hypothetically speaking, that is.
They may own several passports ?
Suppose, for the sake of argument, a high-profile individual with international connections were to have been released from prison and
then, almost immediately afterwards charged with two cases of
harassment, wouldn't they have had their passport withdrawn because of
the flight risk? Then suppose, again just for the sake of argument,
that they were then later alleged to have committed an assault and
were being sought by the police, wouldn't it then have been impossible
for them to flee the country? Hypothetically speaking, that is.
Nick
On 30/07/2025 10:51, Jethro_uk wrote:
[quoted text muted]
If ordered to surrender their passport, the order *ought* to be phrased
so as to cover all such documents.
On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 12:00:02 +0100, GB wrote:
On 30/07/2025 10:51, Jethro_uk wrote:
[quoted text muted]
If ordered to surrender their passport, the order *ought* to be phrased
so as to cover all such documents.
The problem is that non-UK passports are not the property of the bearer,
nor the UK government.
Is it a condition of issue of any foreign passport that it must be surrendered to the UK authorities if they demand it ?
"Nick Odell" <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:pufj8k9cvght53bq4lak58prppi3hkrgka@4ax.com...
Suppose, for the sake of argument, a high-profile individual with
international connections were to have been released from prison and
then, almost immediately afterwards charged with two cases of
harassment, wouldn't they have had their passport withdrawn because of
the flight risk? Then suppose, again just for the sake of argument,
that they were then later alleged to have committed an assault and
were being sought by the police, wouldn't it then have been impossible
for them to flee the country? Hypothetically speaking, that is.
Nick
quote:
Written statement to Parliament
The issuing, withdrawal or refusal of passports
This written ministerial statement was laid in the House of Commons on
25 April 2013 by Theresa May and in the House of Lords by Lord Taylor of Holbeach.
A decision to refuse or withdraw a passport must be necessary
and proportionate.
[...]
ii a person for whose arrest a warrant had been issued in the
United Kingdom, or a person who was wanted by the United Kingdom
police on suspicion of a serious crime; or
iii a person who is the subject of:
a.. a court order, made by a court in the United Kingdom, or any
b.. other order made pursuant to a statutory power, which imposes
c.. travel restrictions or restrictions on the possession of a valid
d.. United Kingdom passport; or
e.. bail conditions, imposed by a police officer or a court in the
f.. United Kingdom, which include travel restrictions or restrictions
g.. on the possession of a valid United Kingdom passport; or
h.. an order issued by the European Union or the United Nations
i.. which prevents a person travelling or entering a country other
j.. than the country in which they hold citizenship; or
:unquote
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/the-issuing-withdrawal-or-refusal-of-passports
Presumably this a high-profile individual with international
connections wasn't subject to any travel restrictions.
Presumably this is linked to the relative seriousness of the
offences; and the possible sentences. i.e would a person choose to
become an international fugitive, in order to escape a 2 months jail
sentence ? And thus lose the opportunity to stir up further
trouble back home on his release.
On 30/07/2025 10:51, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 07:59:52 +0100, Nick Odell wrote:
Suppose, for the sake of argument, a high-profile individual withThey may own several passports ?
international connections were to have been released from prison and
then, almost immediately afterwards charged with two cases of
harassment, wouldn't they have had their passport withdrawn because of
the flight risk? Then suppose, again just for the sake of argument, that >>> they were then later alleged to have committed an assault and were being >>> sought by the police, wouldn't it then have been impossible for them to
flee the country? Hypothetically speaking, that is.
If ordered to surrender their passport, the order *ought* to be phrased
so as to cover all such documents.
And, of course, it is possible to have a forged passport, or even to
borrow one from a mate. Said mate would need to be a very, very good
mate indeed, as he might well be charged with assisting an offender.
So, the only question left: Is being charged with two cases of
harassment, sufficient reason to have had their passport withdrawn? I >suppose it would depend on the facts of the alleged harassment.
On 30/07/2025 16:58, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 12:00:02 +0100, GB wrote:
On 30/07/2025 10:51, Jethro_uk wrote:
[quoted text muted]
If ordered to surrender their passport, the order *ought* to be phrased
so as to cover all such documents.
The problem is that non-UK passports are not the property of the bearer,
nor the UK government.
Is it a condition of issue of any foreign passport that it must be
surrendered to the UK authorities if they demand it ?
The UK authorities would not be taking over ownership, but merely
providing safe keeping? I really can't see it causing a diplomatic incident.
On 30 Jul 2025 at 19:50:32 BST, "GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid>
wrote:
On 30/07/2025 16:58, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 12:00:02 +0100, GB wrote:The UK authorities would not be taking over ownership, but merely
On 30/07/2025 10:51, Jethro_uk wrote:
[quoted text muted]
If ordered to surrender their passport, the order *ought* to be
phrased so as to cover all such documents.
The problem is that non-UK passports are not the property of the
bearer,
nor the UK government.
Is it a condition of issue of any foreign passport that it must be
surrendered to the UK authorities if they demand it ?
providing safe keeping? I really can't see it causing a diplomatic
incident.
I believe that in many countries hotels insist on keeping people's
passports.
This doesn't seem to cause a problem for issuing countries.
On 30 Jul 2025 at 19:50:32 BST, "GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 30/07/2025 16:58, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 12:00:02 +0100, GB wrote:
On 30/07/2025 10:51, Jethro_uk wrote:
[quoted text muted]
If ordered to surrender their passport, the order *ought* to be phrased >>>> so as to cover all such documents.
The problem is that non-UK passports are not the property of the bearer, >>> nor the UK government.
Is it a condition of issue of any foreign passport that it must be
surrendered to the UK authorities if they demand it ?
The UK authorities would not be taking over ownership, but merely
providing safe keeping? I really can't see it causing a diplomatic incident.
I believe that in many countries hotels insist on keeping people's passports.
This doesn't seem to cause a problem for issuing countries.
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