On 24/03/2022 18:24, Roland Perry wrote:
one wonders how they were chosen.
Mainly by being long term non-abusive and on-topic posters
LOL
On 18:46 24 Mar 2022, Lau said:
On 24/03/2022 18:24, Roland Perry wrote:
one wonders how they were chosen.
Mainly by being long term non-abusive and on-topic posters
LOL
Brian, why don't you post under your own name rather than as "Lau"?
On 25/03/2022 06:43, Lau wrote:even swimmers....tee hee
On 24/03/2022 20:22, Pamela wrote:Ladies! anybody can be a tranny these days...can't touch you for it ....
On 18:46Â 24 Mar 2022, Lau said:
On 24/03/2022 18:24, Roland Perry wrote:
one wonders how they were chosen.
Mainly by being long term non-abusive and on-topic posters
LOL
Brian, why don't you post under your own name rather than as "Lau"?
Stupid.
My name is Laura.
I notice in other posts you try to make yourself look knowledgeable.
You sure have been busy copying and pasting from somewhere else. It's
just too damn obvious. LOL.
On 24/03/2022 20:22, Pamela wrote:Ladies! anybody can be a tranny these days...can't touch you for it ....
On 18:46Â 24 Mar 2022, Lau said:
On 24/03/2022 18:24, Roland Perry wrote:
one wonders how they were chosen.
Mainly by being long term non-abusive and on-topic posters
LOL
Brian, why don't you post under your own name rather than as "Lau"?
Stupid.
My name is Laura.
I notice in other posts you try to make yourself look knowledgeable. You
sure have been busy copying and pasting from somewhere else. It's just
too damn obvious. LOL.
On 24/03/2022 20:22, Pamela wrote:
On 18:46 24 Mar 2022, Lau said:
On 24/03/2022 18:24, Roland Perry wrote:
one wonders how they were chosen.
Mainly by being long term non-abusive and on-topic posters
LOL
Brian, why don't you post under your own name rather than as "Lau"?
Stupid.
My name is Laura.
I notice in other posts you try to make yourself look knowledgeable.
You sure have been busy copying and pasting from somewhere else. It's
just too damn obvious. LOL.
On 06:43 25 Mar 2022, Lau said:
On 24/03/2022 20:22, Pamela wrote:
On 18:46 24 Mar 2022, Lau said:
On 24/03/2022 18:24, Roland Perry wrote:
one wonders how they were chosen.
Mainly by being long term non-abusive and on-topic posters
LOL
Brian, why don't you post under your own name rather than as "Lau"?
Stupid.
My name is Laura.
I notice in other posts you try to make yourself look knowledgeable.
You sure have been busy copying and pasting from somewhere else. It's
just too damn obvious. LOL.
Brian, now you're using your sock to post a denial. You must think it's my first time around this block.
By the way, are you sure you taught maths? I learnt basic statistics in
the 6th Form. You can always brush up using my old school textbook.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Second-Statistics-Loveday/dp/B0014OFMTA
On 25/03/2022 12:23, Pamela wrote:
On 06:43 25 Mar 2022, Lau said:
On 24/03/2022 20:22, Pamela wrote:
On 18:46 24 Mar 2022, Lau said:
On 24/03/2022 18:24, Roland Perry wrote:
one wonders how they were chosen.
Mainly by being long term non-abusive and on-topic posters
LOL
Brian, why don't you post under your own name rather than as "Lau"?
Stupid.
My name is Laura.
I notice in other posts you try to make yourself look knowledgeable.
You sure have been busy copying and pasting from somewhere else. It's
just too damn obvious. LOL.
Brian, now you're using your sock to post a denial. You must think it's my >> first time around this block.
I have no idea how many times you have been around the block. Don't
really care either. I think you probably either need help or need to get
out more though.
By the way, are you sure you taught maths? I learnt basic statistics in
the 6th Form. You can always brush up using my old school textbook.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Second-Statistics-Loveday/dp/B0014OFMTA
When did I say I taught maths? I have never taught anything.
On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 17:25:38 +0000, Lau
<laura.annie*samething*@gmoil.com> wrote:
On 25/03/2022 12:23, Pamela wrote:
On 06:43 25 Mar 2022, Lau said:
On 24/03/2022 20:22, Pamela wrote:
On 18:46 24 Mar 2022, Lau said:
On 24/03/2022 18:24, Roland Perry wrote:
one wonders how they were chosen.
Mainly by being long term non-abusive and on-topic posters
LOL
Brian, why don't you post under your own name rather than as "Lau"?
Stupid.
My name is Laura.
I notice in other posts you try to make yourself look knowledgeable.
You sure have been busy copying and pasting from somewhere else. It's
just too damn obvious. LOL.
Brian, now you're using your sock to post a denial. You must think it's my >>> first time around this block.
I have no idea how many times you have been around the block. Don't
really care either. I think you probably either need help or need to get
out more though.
By the way, are you sure you taught maths? I learnt basic statistics in
the 6th Form. You can always brush up using my old school textbook.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Second-Statistics-Loveday/dp/B0014OFMTA
When did I say I taught maths? I have never taught anything.
Some of your pupils have said the same Brian.
On 25/03/2022 20:38, Rambo wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 17:25:38 +0000, Lau
<laura.annie*samething*@gmoil.com> wrote:
On 25/03/2022 12:23, Pamela wrote:
On 06:43 25 Mar 2022, Lau said:
On 24/03/2022 20:22, Pamela wrote:
On 18:46 24 Mar 2022, Lau said:
On 24/03/2022 18:24, Roland Perry wrote:
one wonders how they were chosen.
Mainly by being long term non-abusive and on-topic posters
LOL
Brian, why don't you post under your own name rather than as "Lau"? >>>>>>
Stupid.
My name is Laura.
I notice in other posts you try to make yourself look knowledgeable. >>>>> You sure have been busy copying and pasting from somewhere else. It's >>>>> just too damn obvious. LOL.
Brian, now you're using your sock to post a denial. You must think it's my >>>> first time around this block.
I have no idea how many times you have been around the block. Don't
really care either. I think you probably either need help or need to get >>> out more though.
By the way, are you sure you taught maths? I learnt basic statistics in >>>> the 6th Form. You can always brush up using my old school textbook.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Second-Statistics-Loveday/dp/B0014OFMTA
When did I say I taught maths? I have never taught anything.
Some of your pupils have said the same Brian.
Sent to the wrong person. Another fool. Probably another spamela.
Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 29/03/2022 17:44, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jagpe0Fk1f2U1@mid.individual.net>, at 17:11:44 on Tue,
29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 29/03/2022 11:22, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jag254Ffkr9U1@mid.individual.net>, at 10:34:29 on
Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 29/03/2022 10:03, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jaen87F7ujgU2@mid.individual.net>, at 22:22:15 on
Mon, 28 Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 28/03/2022 18:54, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <zEfBmQJLvdQiFwEJ@invalid.com>, at 17:01:15 on
Mon, 28 Mar 2022, Algernon Goss-Custard <Ben@nowhere.com>
remarked:
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> posted
All the moderators are, presumably, on the whitelist.
What is the justification for this rule, if rule it is? It >>>>>>>>>> seems to me that much of Jeff and Norman's complaints
could be addressed by getting rid of it. Roland's
diversionary argument against a ban on moderators
moderating their own posts because "trigger words" would
then be irrelevant.
It's by far the most commonplace circumstance where
moderators accept their own posts.
The most common occurrence actually is moderators posting
off-topic with no restraint, no control, no action and no
comment.
That's untrue, as a simple matter of fact/history. They'd
have to include their own trigger word in such postings, and
that's quite unlikely.
What I'm saying is they mark their own homework,
The modbot is marking the homework!
As far as I understand the procedure, it doesn't; it merely flags
it for manual marking.
That's only if a trigger word has been used.
and don't even seem to consider whether what they're posting is
not new or off-topic. There's no-one to stop them, so that's
what happens.
I thought you were all in favour of free-ranging discussions,
that people seem to be interested in participating in.
I am. But only if it applies to all equally.
It applies equally to all those who don't use trigger words, or
have been white-listed. Achieving the latter is simply case of not
failing to be charming enough.
You seem utterly hung up on trigger words, and won't consider
off-topic posts that don't contain them. There the modbot is not
involved at all, so whitelisters can do what they like with
impunity. And experience shows that they do. Whitelisters and
moderators mark their own homework and surprise, surprise, they
always pass.
Roland uses things irrelevant things to try and cause confusion /
divert attention.
I moderate several groups, none of which use an automated trigger
word system.
On 19:34 29 Mar 2022, Brian said:
Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 29/03/2022 17:44, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jagpe0Fk1f2U1@mid.individual.net>, at 17:11:44 on Tue,
29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 29/03/2022 11:22, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jag254Ffkr9U1@mid.individual.net>, at 10:34:29 on
Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 29/03/2022 10:03, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jaen87F7ujgU2@mid.individual.net>, at 22:22:15 on
Mon, 28 Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 28/03/2022 18:54, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <zEfBmQJLvdQiFwEJ@invalid.com>, at 17:01:15 on
Mon, 28 Mar 2022, Algernon Goss-Custard <Ben@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>> remarked:
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> posted
All the moderators are, presumably, on the whitelist.
What is the justification for this rule, if rule it is? It >>>>>>>>>>> seems to me that much of Jeff and Norman's complaints
could be addressed by getting rid of it. Roland's
diversionary argument against a ban on moderators
moderating their own posts because "trigger words" would >>>>>>>>>>> then be irrelevant.
It's by far the most commonplace circumstance where
moderators accept their own posts.
The most common occurrence actually is moderators posting
off-topic with no restraint, no control, no action and no
comment.
That's untrue, as a simple matter of fact/history. They'd
have to include their own trigger word in such postings, and
that's quite unlikely.
What I'm saying is they mark their own homework,
The modbot is marking the homework!
As far as I understand the procedure, it doesn't; it merely flags
it for manual marking.
That's only if a trigger word has been used.
and don't even seem to consider whether what they're posting is
not new or off-topic. There's no-one to stop them, so that's
what happens.
I thought you were all in favour of free-ranging discussions,
that people seem to be interested in participating in.
I am. But only if it applies to all equally.
It applies equally to all those who don't use trigger words, or
have been white-listed. Achieving the latter is simply case of not
failing to be charming enough.
You seem utterly hung up on trigger words, and won't consider
off-topic posts that don't contain them. There the modbot is not
involved at all, so whitelisters can do what they like with
impunity. And experience shows that they do. Whitelisters and
moderators mark their own homework and surprise, surprise, they
always pass.
Roland uses things irrelevant things to try and cause confusion /
divert attention.
I moderate several groups, none of which use an automated trigger
word system.
Brian, is your contribution effective and well-received in those
groups?
"uk.radio.amateur.moderated" has only 50 posts since the beginning of >December and is almost dead. You made only one post in that time.
Can you identify your groups? Maybe someone else knows and can help
name them.
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:52:51 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 19:34 29 Mar 2022, Brian said:
Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 29/03/2022 17:44, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jagpe0Fk1f2U1@mid.individual.net>, at 17:11:44 on
Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 29/03/2022 11:22, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jag254Ffkr9U1@mid.individual.net>, at 10:34:29 on
Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 29/03/2022 10:03, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jaen87F7ujgU2@mid.individual.net>, at 22:22:15 on >>>>>>>>> Mon, 28 Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked: >>>>>>>>>> On 28/03/2022 18:54, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <zEfBmQJLvdQiFwEJ@invalid.com>, at 17:01:15 on >>>>>>>>>>> Mon, 28 Mar 2022, Algernon Goss-Custard <Ben@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>> remarked:
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> posted >>>>>>>>>>>>>
What is the justification for this rule, if rule it is? It >>>>>>>>>>>> seems to me that much of Jeff and Norman's complaints >>>>>>>>>>>> could be addressed by getting rid of it. Roland's
All the moderators are, presumably, on the whitelist. >>>>>>>>>>>>
diversionary argument against a ban on moderators
moderating their own posts because "trigger words" would >>>>>>>>>>>> then be irrelevant.
It's by far the most commonplace circumstance where
moderators accept their own posts.
The most common occurrence actually is moderators posting
off-topic with no restraint, no control, no action and no >>>>>>>>>> comment.
That's untrue, as a simple matter of fact/history. They'd
have to include their own trigger word in such postings, and >>>>>>>>> that's quite unlikely.
What I'm saying is they mark their own homework,
The modbot is marking the homework!
As far as I understand the procedure, it doesn't; it merely
flags it for manual marking.
That's only if a trigger word has been used.
and don't even seem to consider whether what they're posting
is not new or off-topic. There's no-one to stop them, so
that's what happens.
I thought you were all in favour of free-ranging discussions,
that people seem to be interested in participating in.
I am. But only if it applies to all equally.
It applies equally to all those who don't use trigger words, or
have been white-listed. Achieving the latter is simply case of
not failing to be charming enough.
You seem utterly hung up on trigger words, and won't consider
off-topic posts that don't contain them. There the modbot is not
involved at all, so whitelisters can do what they like with
impunity. And experience shows that they do. Whitelisters and
moderators mark their own homework and surprise, surprise, they
always pass.
Roland uses things irrelevant things to try and cause confusion /
divert attention.
I moderate several groups, none of which use an automated trigger
word system.
Brian, is your contribution effective and well-received in those
groups?
"uk.radio.amateur.moderated" has only 50 posts since the beginning of >>December and is almost dead. You made only one post in that time.
Can you identify your groups? Maybe someone else knows and can help
name them.
RSGBtech
On 22:07 30 Mar 2022, Rambo said:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:52:51 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 19:34 29 Mar 2022, Brian said:
Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 29/03/2022 17:44, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jagpe0Fk1f2U1@mid.individual.net>, at 17:11:44 on
Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 29/03/2022 11:22, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jag254Ffkr9U1@mid.individual.net>, at 10:34:29 on
Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 29/03/2022 10:03, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jaen87F7ujgU2@mid.individual.net>, at 22:22:15 on >>>>>>>>>> Mon, 28 Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked: >>>>>>>>>>> On 28/03/2022 18:54, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <zEfBmQJLvdQiFwEJ@invalid.com>, at 17:01:15 on >>>>>>>>>>>> Mon, 28 Mar 2022, Algernon Goss-Custard <Ben@nowhere.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> remarked:
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> posted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What is the justification for this rule, if rule it is? It >>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to me that much of Jeff and Norman's complaints >>>>>>>>>>>>> could be addressed by getting rid of it. Roland's
All the moderators are, presumably, on the whitelist. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
diversionary argument against a ban on moderators
moderating their own posts because "trigger words" would >>>>>>>>>>>>> then be irrelevant.
It's by far the most commonplace circumstance where
moderators accept their own posts.
The most common occurrence actually is moderators posting >>>>>>>>>>> off-topic with no restraint, no control, no action and no >>>>>>>>>>> comment.
That's untrue, as a simple matter of fact/history. They'd >>>>>>>>>> have to include their own trigger word in such postings, and >>>>>>>>>> that's quite unlikely.
What I'm saying is they mark their own homework,
The modbot is marking the homework!
As far as I understand the procedure, it doesn't; it merely
flags it for manual marking.
That's only if a trigger word has been used.
and don't even seem to consider whether what they're posting >>>>>>>>> is not new or off-topic. There's no-one to stop them, so
that's what happens.
I thought you were all in favour of free-ranging discussions, >>>>>>>> that people seem to be interested in participating in.
I am. But only if it applies to all equally.
It applies equally to all those who don't use trigger words, or
have been white-listed. Achieving the latter is simply case of
not failing to be charming enough.
You seem utterly hung up on trigger words, and won't consider
off-topic posts that don't contain them. There the modbot is not
involved at all, so whitelisters can do what they like with
impunity. And experience shows that they do. Whitelisters and
moderators mark their own homework and surprise, surprise, they
always pass.
Roland uses things irrelevant things to try and cause confusion /
divert attention.
I moderate several groups, none of which use an automated trigger
word system.
Brian, is your contribution effective and well-received in those
groups?
"uk.radio.amateur.moderated" has only 50 posts since the beginning of >>>December and is almost dead. You made only one post in that time.
Can you identify your groups? Maybe someone else knows and can help
name them.
RSGBtech
Is it an explemplary group which U.L.M. could learn from, as Brian
seems to be suggesting? Its web page says only the following and there >doesn't seem to be a separate moderation policy.
Moderation aims to be "light touch"- avoid abuse and stay on topic
and you will not be "moderated".
https://groups.io/g/RSGBTechnical
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 22:28:32 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 22:07 30 Mar 2022, Rambo said:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:52:51 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 19:34 29 Mar 2022, Brian said:
Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 29/03/2022 17:44, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jagpe0Fk1f2U1@mid.individual.net>, at 17:11:44 on
Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 29/03/2022 11:22, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jag254Ffkr9U1@mid.individual.net>, at 10:34:29
on Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am>
remarked:
On 29/03/2022 10:03, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jaen87F7ujgU2@mid.individual.net>, at 22:22:15 >>>>>>>>>> on Mon, 28Â Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am>
remarked:
On 28/03/2022 18:54, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <zEfBmQJLvdQiFwEJ@invalid.com>, at 17:01:15 >>>>>>>>>>>> on Mon, 28 Mar 2022, Algernon Goss-Custard
<Ben@nowhere.com> remarked:
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> posted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
All the moderators are, presumably, on the
whitelist.
What is the justification for this rule, if rule it is? >>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems to me that much of Jeff and Norman's
complaints could be addressed by getting rid of it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Roland's diversionary argument against a ban on
moderators moderating their own posts because "trigger >>>>>>>>>>>>> words" would then be irrelevant.
 It's by far the most commonplace circumstance where >>>>>>>>>>>> moderators accept their own posts.
The most common occurrence actually is moderators posting >>>>>>>>>>> off-topic with no restraint, no control, no action and >>>>>>>>>>> no comment.
 That's untrue, as a simple matter of fact/history. They'd >>>>>>>>>> have to include their own trigger word in such postings, >>>>>>>>>> and that's quite unlikely.
What I'm saying is they mark their own homework,
 The modbot is marking the homework!
As far as I understand the procedure, it doesn't; it merely
flags it for manual marking.
That's only if a trigger word has been used.
and don't even seem to consider whether what they're
posting is not new or off-topic. There's no-one to stop
them, so that's what happens.
 I thought you were all in favour of free-ranging
discussions, that people seem to be interested in
participating in.
I am. But only if it applies to all equally.
It applies equally to all those who don't use trigger words,
or have been white-listed. Achieving the latter is simply case
of not failing to be charming enough.
You seem utterly hung up on trigger words, and won't consider
off-topic posts that don't contain them. There the modbot is
not involved at all, so whitelisters can do what they like with
impunity. And experience shows that they do. Whitelisters and
moderators mark their own homework and surprise, surprise, they
always pass.
Roland uses things irrelevant things to try and cause
confusion / divert attention.
I moderate several groups, none of which use an automated
trigger word system.
Brian, is your contribution effective and well-received in those >>>groups?
"uk.radio.amateur.moderated" has only 50 posts since the beginning
of December and is almost dead. You made only one post in that
time.
Can you identify your groups? Maybe someone else knows and can
help name them.
RSGBtech
Is it an explemplary group which U.L.M. could learn from, as Brian
seems to be suggesting? Its web page says only the following and
there doesn't seem to be a separate moderation policy.
Moderation aims to be "light touch"- avoid abuse and stay on
topic and you will not be "moderated".
https://groups.io/g/RSGBTechnical
Anyone he doen't like is barred. It's his little empire. Don't bother.
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 23:16:05 +0100
Rambo <Rambo@thisainrreal.org> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 22:28:32 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 22:07 30 Mar 2022, Rambo said:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:52:51 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 19:34 29 Mar 2022, Brian said:
Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 29/03/2022 17:44, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jagpe0Fk1f2U1@mid.individual.net>, at 17:11:44 on
Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 29/03/2022 11:22, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jag254Ffkr9U1@mid.individual.net>, at 10:34:29 >>>>>>>>>> on Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am>
remarked:
On 29/03/2022 10:03, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jaen87F7ujgU2@mid.individual.net>, at 22:22:15 >>>>>>>>>>>> on Mon, 28Â Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> >>>>>>>>>>>> remarked:
On 28/03/2022 18:54, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <zEfBmQJLvdQiFwEJ@invalid.com>, at 17:01:15 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Mon, 28 Mar 2022, Algernon Goss-Custard
<Ben@nowhere.com> remarked:
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> posted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
All the moderators are, presumably, on the
whitelist.
What is the justification for this rule, if rule it is? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems to me that much of Jeff and Norman's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complaints could be addressed by getting rid of it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roland's diversionary argument against a ban on
moderators moderating their own posts because "trigger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words" would then be irrelevant.
 It's by far the most commonplace circumstance where >>>>>>>>>>>>>> moderators accept their own posts.
The most common occurrence actually is moderators posting >>>>>>>>>>>>> off-topic with no restraint, no control, no action and >>>>>>>>>>>>> no comment.
 That's untrue, as a simple matter of fact/history. They'd >>>>>>>>>>>> have to include their own trigger word in such postings, >>>>>>>>>>>> and that's quite unlikely.
What I'm saying is they mark their own homework,
 The modbot is marking the homework!
As far as I understand the procedure, it doesn't; it merely
flags it for manual marking.
That's only if a trigger word has been used.
and don't even seem to consider whether what they're
posting is not new or off-topic. There's no-one to stop >>>>>>>>>>> them, so that's what happens.
 I thought you were all in favour of free-ranging
discussions, that people seem to be interested in
participating in.
I am. But only if it applies to all equally.
It applies equally to all those who don't use trigger words,
or have been white-listed. Achieving the latter is simply case >>>>>>>> of not failing to be charming enough.
You seem utterly hung up on trigger words, and won't consider
off-topic posts that don't contain them. There the modbot is
not involved at all, so whitelisters can do what they like with
impunity. And experience shows that they do. Whitelisters and
moderators mark their own homework and surprise, surprise, they
always pass.
Roland uses things irrelevant things to try and cause
confusion / divert attention.
I moderate several groups, none of which use an automated
trigger word system.
Brian, is your contribution effective and well-received in those
groups?
"uk.radio.amateur.moderated" has only 50 posts since the beginning
of December and is almost dead. You made only one post in that
time.
Can you identify your groups? Maybe someone else knows and can
help name them.
RSGBtech
Is it an explemplary group which U.L.M. could learn from, as Brian
seems to be suggesting? Its web page says only the following and
there doesn't seem to be a separate moderation policy.
Moderation aims to be "light touch"- avoid abuse and stay on
topic and you will not be "moderated".
https://groups.io/g/RSGBTechnical
Anyone he doen't like is barred. It's his little empire. Don't bother.
Hey, I'm not barred - I guess that means he likes me?
Well, that's cheered me up!
On 31/03/2022 11:09, Bernie wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 23:16:05 +0100
Rambo <Rambo@thisainrreal.org> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 22:28:32 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 22:07 30 Mar 2022, Rambo said:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:52:51 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 19:34 29 Mar 2022, Brian said:
Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 29/03/2022 17:44, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jagpe0Fk1f2U1@mid.individual.net>, at 17:11:44 on >>>>>>>> Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked: >>>>>>>>> On 29/03/2022 11:22, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jag254Ffkr9U1@mid.individual.net>, at 10:34:29 >>>>>>>>>> on Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am>
remarked:
On 29/03/2022 10:03, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jaen87F7ujgU2@mid.individual.net>, at
22:22:15 on Mon, 28Â Mar 2022, Norman Wells
<hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 28/03/2022 18:54, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <zEfBmQJLvdQiFwEJ@invalid.com>, at 17:01:15 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Mon, 28 Mar 2022, Algernon Goss-Custard
<Ben@nowhere.com> remarked:
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posted
All the moderators are, presumably, on the
whitelist.
What is the justification for this rule, if rule it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is? It seems to me that much of Jeff and Norman's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complaints could be addressed by getting rid of it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roland's diversionary argument against a ban on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moderators moderating their own posts because "trigger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words" would then be irrelevant.
 It's by far the most commonplace circumstance where >>>>>>>>>>>>>> moderators accept their own posts.
The most common occurrence actually is moderators
posting off-topic with no restraint, no control, no >>>>>>>>>>>>> action and no comment.
 That's untrue, as a simple matter of fact/history. >>>>>>>>>>>> They'd have to include their own trigger word in such >>>>>>>>>>>> postings, and that's quite unlikely.
What I'm saying is they mark their own homework,
 The modbot is marking the homework!
As far as I understand the procedure, it doesn't; it merely >>>>>>>>> flags it for manual marking.
That's only if a trigger word has been used.
and don't even seem to consider whether what they're
posting is not new or off-topic. There's no-one to stop >>>>>>>>>>> them, so that's what happens.
 I thought you were all in favour of free-ranging
discussions, that people seem to be interested in
participating in.
I am. But only if it applies to all equally.
It applies equally to all those who don't use trigger words, >>>>>>>> or have been white-listed. Achieving the latter is simply
case of not failing to be charming enough.
You seem utterly hung up on trigger words, and won't consider
off-topic posts that don't contain them. There the modbot is
not involved at all, so whitelisters can do what they like
with impunity. And experience shows that they do.
Whitelisters and moderators mark their own homework and
surprise, surprise, they always pass.
Roland uses things irrelevant things to try and cause
confusion / divert attention.
I moderate several groups, none of which use an automated
trigger word system.
Brian, is your contribution effective and well-received in those
groups?
"uk.radio.amateur.moderated" has only 50 posts since the
beginning of December and is almost dead. You made only one
post in that time.
Can you identify your groups? Maybe someone else knows and can
help name them.
RSGBtech
Is it an explemplary group which U.L.M. could learn from, as Brian
seems to be suggesting? Its web page says only the following and
there doesn't seem to be a separate moderation policy.
Moderation aims to be "light touch"- avoid abuse and stay on
topic and you will not be "moderated".
https://groups.io/g/RSGBTechnical
Anyone he doen't like is barred. It's his little empire. Don't
bother.
Hey, I'm not barred - I guess that means he likes me?
Well, that's cheered me up!brian likes nobody...not even himself...I quite like him thoughh and
I know he likes me a bit...
On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 13:06:36 +0100 "Jim Stewart ..." <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On 31/03/2022 11:09, Bernie wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 23:16:05 +0100 Rambo <Rambo@thisainrreal.org>brian likes nobody...not even himself...I quite like him thoughh and
wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 22:28:32 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 22:07 30 Mar 2022, Rambo said:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:52:51 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 19:34 29 Mar 2022, Brian said:
Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 29/03/2022 17:44, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jagpe0Fk1f2U1@mid.individual.net>, at 17:11:44
on Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am>
remarked:
On 29/03/2022 11:22, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jag254Ffkr9U1@mid.individual.net>, at
10:34:29 on Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells
<hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 29/03/2022 10:03, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jaen87F7ujgU2@mid.individual.net>, at
22:22:15 on Mon, 28Â Mar 2022, Norman Wells
<hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 28/03/2022 18:54, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <zEfBmQJLvdQiFwEJ@invalid.com>, at
17:01:15 on Mon, 28 Mar 2022, Algernon Goss-Custard
<Ben@nowhere.com> remarked:
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
posted
All the moderators are, presumably, on the
whitelist.
What is the justification for this rule, if rule it
is? It seems to me that much of Jeff and Norm
complaints could be addressed by getting rid of
it. Roland's diversionary argument against a ban on
moderators moderating their own posts because
"trigger words" would then be irrelevant.
 It's by far the most commonplace circumstance
where
moderators accept their own posts.
The most common occurrence actually is moderators
posting off-topic with no restraint, no control, no
action and no comment.
 That's untrue, as a simple matter of fact/history.
They'd have to include their own trigger word in such
postings, and that's quite unlikely.
What I'm saying is they mark their own homework,
 The modbot is marking the homework!
As far as I understand the procedure, it doesn't; it
merely flags it for manual marking.
That's only if a trigger word has been used.
and don't even seem to consider whether what they're
posting is not new or off-topic. There's no-one to
stop them, so that's what happens.
 I thought you were all in favour of free-ranging
discussions, that people seem to be interested in
participating in.
I am. But only if it applies to all equally.
It applies equally to all those who don't use trigger
words, or have been white-listed. Achieving the latter is
simply case of not failing to be charming enough.
You seem utterly hung up on trigger words, and won't
consider off-topic posts that don't contain them. There the
modbot is not involved at all, so whitelisters can do what
they like with impunity. And experience shows that they do.
Whitelisters and moderators mark their own homework and
surprise, surprise, they always pass.
Roland uses things irrelevant things to try and cause
confusion / divert attention.
I moderate several groups, none of which use an automated
trigger word system.
Brian, is your contribution effective and well-received in
those groups?
"uk.radio.amateur.moderated" has only 50 posts since the
beginning of December and is almost dead. You made only one
post in that time.
Can you identify your groups? Maybe someone else knows and can
help name them.
RSGBtech
Is it an explemplary group which U.L.M. could learn from, as
Brian seems to be suggesting? Its web page says only the
following and there doesn't seem to be a separate moderation
policy.
Moderation aims to be "light touch"- avoid abuse and stay
on topic and you will not be "moderated".
https://groups.io/g/RSGBTechnical
Anyone he doen't like is barred. It's his little empire. Don't
bother.
Hey, I'm not barred - I guess that means he likes me?
Well, that's cheered me up!
I know he likes me a bit...
It'd be nice if Reay and Evans could make up. It's a shame for them
to fall out forever just because Reay was a bit brusque when
correcting Evans's technical inadequacies.
On 13:29 31 Mar 2022, Bernie said:Your not wrong there !
On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 13:06:36 +0100 "Jim Stewart ..."
<kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On 31/03/2022 11:09, Bernie wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 23:16:05 +0100 Rambo <Rambo@thisainrreal.org>brian likes nobody...not even himself...I quite like him thoughh and
wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 22:28:32 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 22:07 30 Mar 2022, Rambo said:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:52:51 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 19:34 29 Mar 2022, Brian said:
Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 29/03/2022 17:44, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jagpe0Fk1f2U1@mid.individual.net>, at 17:11:44
on Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am>
remarked:
On 29/03/2022 11:22, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jag254Ffkr9U1@mid.individual.net>, at
10:34:29 on Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells
<hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 29/03/2022 10:03, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jaen87F7ujgU2@mid.individual.net>, at
22:22:15 on Mon, 28Â Mar 2022, Norman Wells
<hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 28/03/2022 18:54, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <zEfBmQJLvdQiFwEJ@invalid.com>, at
17:01:15 on Mon, 28 Mar 2022, Algernon Goss-Custard
<Ben@nowhere.com> remarked:
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
posted
All the moderators are, presumably, on the
whitelist.
What is the justification for this rule, if rule it
is? It seems to me that much of Jeff and Norm
complaints could be addressed by getting rid of
it. Roland's diversionary argument against a ban on
moderators moderating their own posts because
"trigger words" would then be irrelevant.
 It's by far the most commonplace circumstance
where
moderators accept their own posts.
The most common occurrence actually is moderators
posting off-topic with no restraint, no control, no
action and no comment.
 That's untrue, as a simple matter of fact/history.
They'd have to include their own trigger word in such
postings, and that's quite unlikely.
What I'm saying is they mark their own homework,
 The modbot is marking the homework!
As far as I understand the procedure, it doesn't; it
merely flags it for manual marking.
That's only if a trigger word has been used.
and don't even seem to consider whether what they're
posting is not new or off-topic. There's no-one to
stop them, so that's what happens.
 I thought you were all in favour of free-ranging
discussions, that people seem to be interested in
participating in.
I am. But only if it applies to all equally.
It applies equally to all those who don't use trigger
words, or have been white-listed. Achieving the latter is
simply case of not failing to be charming enough.
You seem utterly hung up on trigger words, and won't
consider off-topic posts that don't contain them. There the
modbot is not involved at all, so whitelisters can do what
they like with impunity. And experience shows that they do.
Whitelisters and moderators mark their own homework and
surprise, surprise, they always pass.
Roland uses things irrelevant things to try and cause
confusion / divert attention.
I moderate several groups, none of which use an automated
trigger word system.
Brian, is your contribution effective and well-received in
those groups?
"uk.radio.amateur.moderated" has only 50 posts since the
beginning of December and is almost dead. You made only one
post in that time.
Can you identify your groups? Maybe someone else knows and can
help name them.
RSGBtech
Is it an explemplary group which U.L.M. could learn from, as
Brian seems to be suggesting? Its web page says only the
following and there doesn't seem to be a separate moderation
policy.
Moderation aims to be "light touch"- avoid abuse and stay
on topic and you will not be "moderated".
https://groups.io/g/RSGBTechnical
Anyone he doen't like is barred. It's his little empire. Don't
bother.
Hey, I'm not barred - I guess that means he likes me?
Well, that's cheered me up!
I know he likes me a bit...
It'd be nice if Reay and Evans could make up. It's a shame for them
to fall out forever just because Reay was a bit brusque when
correcting Evans's technical inadequacies.
"Technical inadequacies"? According to the Gazette and Herald, Brian
had been goading someone online for nine years:
"brought as evidence 50 occasions where he said Mr Reay had been
grossly offensive, which he believed was specifically targeting his
Welsh wife"
On 13:29 31 Mar 2022, Bernie said:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 13:06:36 +0100 "Jim Stewart ..." <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On 31/03/2022 11:09, Bernie wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 23:16:05 +0100 Rambobrian likes nobody...not even himself...I quite like him thoughh
<Rambo@thisainrreal.org> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 22:28:32 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 22:07 30 Mar 2022, Rambo said:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:52:51 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 19:34 29 Mar 2022, Brian said:
Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 29/03/2022 17:44, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jagpe0Fk1f2U1@mid.individual.net>, at
17:11:44 on Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells
<hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 29/03/2022 11:22, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jag254Ffkr9U1@mid.individual.net>, at
10:34:29 on Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells
<hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 29/03/2022 10:03, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jaen87F7ujgU2@mid.individual.net>, at
22:22:15 on Mon, 28Â Mar 2022, Norman Wells
<hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 28/03/2022 18:54, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <zEfBmQJLvdQiFwEJ@invalid.com>, at
17:01:15 on Mon, 28 Mar 2022, Algernon
Goss-Custard <Ben@nowhere.com> remarked:
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
posted
All the moderators are, presumably, on the
whitelist.
What is the justification for this rule, if rule
it is? It seems to me that much of Jeff and Norm
complaints could be addressed by getting rid of
it. Roland's diversionary argument against a ban
on moderators moderating their own posts because
"trigger words" would then be irrelevant.
 It's by far the most commonplace circumstance
where
moderators accept their own posts.
The most common occurrence actually is moderators
posting off-topic with no restraint, no control, no
action and no comment.
 That's untrue, as a simple matter of fact/history.
They'd have to include their own trigger word in such
postings, and that's quite unlikely.
What I'm saying is they mark their own homework,
 The modbot is marking the homework!
As far as I understand the procedure, it doesn't; it
merely flags it for manual marking.
That's only if a trigger word has been used.
and don't even seem to consider whether what they're
posting is not new or off-topic. There's no-one to
stop them, so that's what happens.
 I thought you were all in favour of free-ranging
discussions, that people seem to be interested in
participating in.
I am. But only if it applies to all equally.
It applies equally to all those who don't use trigger
words, or have been white-listed. Achieving the latter is
simply case of not failing to be charming enough.
You seem utterly hung up on trigger words, and won't
consider off-topic posts that don't contain them. There
the modbot is not involved at all, so whitelisters can do
what they like with impunity. And experience shows that
they do. Whitelisters and moderators mark their own
homework and surprise, surprise, they always pass.
Roland uses things irrelevant things to try and cause
confusion / divert attention.
I moderate several groups, none of which use an automated
trigger word system.
Brian, is your contribution effective and well-received in
those groups?
"uk.radio.amateur.moderated" has only 50 posts since the
beginning of December and is almost dead. You made only one
post in that time.
Can you identify your groups? Maybe someone else knows and
can help name them.
RSGBtech
Is it an explemplary group which U.L.M. could learn from, as
Brian seems to be suggesting? Its web page says only the
following and there doesn't seem to be a separate moderation
policy.
Moderation aims to be "light touch"- avoid abuse and stay
on topic and you will not be "moderated".
https://groups.io/g/RSGBTechnical
Anyone he doen't like is barred. It's his little empire. Don't
bother.
Hey, I'm not barred - I guess that means he likes me?
Well, that's cheered me up!
and I know he likes me a bit...
It'd be nice if Reay and Evans could make up. It's a shame for them
to fall out forever just because Reay was a bit brusque when
correcting Evans's technical inadequacies.
"Technical inadequacies"? According to the Gazette and Herald, Brian
had been goading someone online for nine years:
"brought as evidence 50 occasions where he said Mr Reay had been
grossly offensive, which he believed was specifically targeting his
Welsh wife"
On 31/03/2022 11:09, Bernie wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 23:16:05 +0100brian likes nobody...not even himself...I quite like him thoughh and I
Rambo <Rambo@thisainrreal.org> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 22:28:32 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 22:07 30 Mar 2022, Rambo said:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:52:51 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 19:34 29 Mar 2022, Brian said:
Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 29/03/2022 17:44, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jagpe0Fk1f2U1@mid.individual.net>, at 17:11:44 on >>>>>>>>> Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked: >>>>>>>>>> On 29/03/2022 11:22, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jag254Ffkr9U1@mid.individual.net>, at 10:34:29 >>>>>>>>>>> on Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am>
remarked:
On 29/03/2022 10:03, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jaen87F7ujgU2@mid.individual.net>, at 22:22:15 >>>>>>>>>>>>> on Mon, 28 Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> >>>>>>>>>>>>> remarked:
On 28/03/2022 18:54, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <zEfBmQJLvdQiFwEJ@invalid.com>, at 17:01:15 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Mon, 28 Mar 2022, Algernon Goss-Custard
<Ben@nowhere.com> remarked:
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> posted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
All the moderators are, presumably, on the
whitelist.
What is the justification for this rule, if rule it is? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems to me that much of Jeff and Norman's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complaints could be addressed by getting rid of it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roland's diversionary argument against a ban on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moderators moderating their own posts because "trigger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words" would then be irrelevant.
It's by far the most commonplace circumstance where >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moderators accept their own posts.
The most common occurrence actually is moderators posting >>>>>>>>>>>>>> off-topic with no restraint, no control, no action and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> no comment.
That's untrue, as a simple matter of fact/history. They'd >>>>>>>>>>>>> have to include their own trigger word in such postings, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and that's quite unlikely.
What I'm saying is they mark their own homework,
The modbot is marking the homework!
As far as I understand the procedure, it doesn't; it merely >>>>>>>>>> flags it for manual marking.
That's only if a trigger word has been used.
and don't even seem to consider whether what they're
posting is not new or off-topic. There's no-one to stop >>>>>>>>>>>> them, so that's what happens.
I thought you were all in favour of free-ranging
discussions, that people seem to be interested in
participating in.
I am. But only if it applies to all equally.
It applies equally to all those who don't use trigger words, >>>>>>>>> or have been white-listed. Achieving the latter is simply case >>>>>>>>> of not failing to be charming enough.
You seem utterly hung up on trigger words, and won't consider
off-topic posts that don't contain them. There the modbot is
not involved at all, so whitelisters can do what they like with >>>>>>>> impunity. And experience shows that they do. Whitelisters and >>>>>>>> moderators mark their own homework and surprise, surprise, they >>>>>>>> always pass.
Roland uses things irrelevant things to try and cause
confusion / divert attention.
I moderate several groups, none of which use an automated
trigger word system.
Brian, is your contribution effective and well-received in those
groups?
"uk.radio.amateur.moderated" has only 50 posts since the beginning >>>>>> of December and is almost dead. You made only one post in that
time.
Can you identify your groups? Maybe someone else knows and can
help name them.
RSGBtech
Is it an explemplary group which U.L.M. could learn from, as Brian
seems to be suggesting? Its web page says only the following and
there doesn't seem to be a separate moderation policy.
Moderation aims to be "light touch"- avoid abuse and stay on
topic and you will not be "moderated".
https://groups.io/g/RSGBTechnical
Anyone he doen't like is barred. It's his little empire. Don't bother.
Hey, I'm not barred - I guess that means he likes me?
Well, that's cheered me up!
know he likes me a bit...
On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 13:06:36 +0100, "Jim Stewart ..." <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:you find people like that have to try and prove they are better than
On 31/03/2022 11:09, Bernie wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 23:16:05 +0100brian likes nobody...not even himself...I quite like him thoughh and I
Rambo <Rambo@thisainrreal.org> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 22:28:32 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 22:07 30 Mar 2022, Rambo said:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:52:51 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 19:34 29 Mar 2022, Brian said:
Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 29/03/2022 17:44, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jagpe0Fk1f2U1@mid.individual.net>, at 17:11:44 on >>>>>>>>>> Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked: >>>>>>>>>>> On 29/03/2022 11:22, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jag254Ffkr9U1@mid.individual.net>, at 10:34:29 >>>>>>>>>>>> on Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am>
remarked:
On 29/03/2022 10:03, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jaen87F7ujgU2@mid.individual.net>, at 22:22:15 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Mon, 28Â Mar 2022, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> remarked:
On 28/03/2022 18:54, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <zEfBmQJLvdQiFwEJ@invalid.com>, at 17:01:15 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Mon, 28 Mar 2022, Algernon Goss-Custard
<Ben@nowhere.com> remarked:
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> posted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
All the moderators are, presumably, on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whitelist.
What is the justification for this rule, if rule it is? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems to me that much of Jeff and Norman's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complaints could be addressed by getting rid of it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roland's diversionary argument against a ban on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moderators moderating their own posts because "trigger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words" would then be irrelevant.
 It's by far the most commonplace circumstance where >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moderators accept their own posts.
The most common occurrence actually is moderators posting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off-topic with no restraint, no control, no action and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no comment.
 That's untrue, as a simple matter of fact/history. They'd >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to include their own trigger word in such postings, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and that's quite unlikely.
What I'm saying is they mark their own homework,
 The modbot is marking the homework!
As far as I understand the procedure, it doesn't; it merely >>>>>>>>>>> flags it for manual marking.
That's only if a trigger word has been used.
and don't even seem to consider whether what they're >>>>>>>>>>>>> posting is not new or off-topic. There's no-one to stop >>>>>>>>>>>>> them, so that's what happens.
 I thought you were all in favour of free-ranging
discussions, that people seem to be interested in
participating in.
I am. But only if it applies to all equally.
It applies equally to all those who don't use trigger words, >>>>>>>>>> or have been white-listed. Achieving the latter is simply case >>>>>>>>>> of not failing to be charming enough.
You seem utterly hung up on trigger words, and won't consider >>>>>>>>> off-topic posts that don't contain them. There the modbot is >>>>>>>>> not involved at all, so whitelisters can do what they like with >>>>>>>>> impunity. And experience shows that they do. Whitelisters and >>>>>>>>> moderators mark their own homework and surprise, surprise, they >>>>>>>>> always pass.
Roland uses things irrelevant things to try and cause
confusion / divert attention.
I moderate several groups, none of which use an automated
trigger word system.
Brian, is your contribution effective and well-received in those >>>>>>> groups?
"uk.radio.amateur.moderated" has only 50 posts since the beginning >>>>>>> of December and is almost dead. You made only one post in that
time.
Can you identify your groups? Maybe someone else knows and can
help name them.
RSGBtech
Is it an explemplary group which U.L.M. could learn from, as Brian
seems to be suggesting? Its web page says only the following and
there doesn't seem to be a separate moderation policy.
Moderation aims to be "light touch"- avoid abuse and stay on
topic and you will not be "moderated".
https://groups.io/g/RSGBTechnical
Anyone he doen't like is barred. It's his little empire. Don't bother.
Hey, I'm not barred - I guess that means he likes me?
Well, that's cheered me up!
know he likes me a bit...
If he hates himself so much, why does he talk about himself so very
very much?
Boring us all shitless?
On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 14:37:01 +0100
Pamela <uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 13:29 31 Mar 2022, Bernie said:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 13:06:36 +0100 "Jim Stewart ..."
<kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On 31/03/2022 11:09, Bernie wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 23:16:05 +0100 Rambobrian likes nobody...not even himself...I quite like him thoughh
<Rambo@thisainrreal.org> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 22:28:32 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 22:07 30 Mar 2022, Rambo said:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:52:51 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 19:34 29 Mar 2022, Brian said:
Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 29/03/2022 17:44, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jagpe0Fk1f2U1@mid.individual.net>, at
17:11:44 on Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells
<hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 29/03/2022 11:22, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jag254Ffkr9U1@mid.individual.net>, at
10:34:29 on Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells
<hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 29/03/2022 10:03, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jaen87F7ujgU2@mid.individual.net>, at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 22:22:15 on Mon, 28Â Mar 2022, Norman Wells
<hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 28/03/2022 18:54, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <zEfBmQJLvdQiFwEJ@invalid.com>, at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 17:01:15 on Mon, 28 Mar 2022, Algernon
Goss-Custard <Ben@nowhere.com> remarked:
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posted It's by far the most commonplace circumstance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
All the moderators are, presumably, on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whitelist.
What is the justification for this rule, if rule >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is? It seems to me that much of Jeff and Norm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complaints could be addressed by getting rid of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. Roland's diversionary argument against a ban >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on moderators moderating their own posts because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "trigger words" would then be irrelevant. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
moderators accept their own posts.
The most common occurrence actually is moderators >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posting off-topic with no restraint, no control, no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> action and no comment.
 That's untrue, as a simple matter of fact/history. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They'd have to include their own trigger word in such >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> postings, and that's quite unlikely.
What I'm saying is they mark their own homework,
 The modbot is marking the homework!
As far as I understand the procedure, it doesn't; it >>>>>>>>>>>>> merely flags it for manual marking.
That's only if a trigger word has been used.
and don't even seem to consider whether what they're >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posting is not new or off-topic. There's no-one to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stop them, so that's what happens.
 I thought you were all in favour of free-ranging >>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussions, that people seem to be interested in
participating in.
I am. But only if it applies to all equally.
It applies equally to all those who don't use trigger
words, or have been white-listed. Achieving the latter is >>>>>>>>>>>> simply case of not failing to be charming enough.
You seem utterly hung up on trigger words, and won't
consider off-topic posts that don't contain them. There >>>>>>>>>>> the modbot is not involved at all, so whitelisters can do >>>>>>>>>>> what they like with impunity. And experience shows that >>>>>>>>>>> they do. Whitelisters and moderators mark their own
homework and surprise, surprise, they always pass.
Roland uses things irrelevant things to try and cause
confusion / divert attention.
I moderate several groups, none of which use an automated
trigger word system.
Brian, is your contribution effective and well-received in
those groups?
"uk.radio.amateur.moderated" has only 50 posts since the
beginning of December and is almost dead. You made only one >>>>>>>>> post in that time.
Can you identify your groups? Maybe someone else knows and
can help name them.
RSGBtech
Is it an explemplary group which U.L.M. could learn from, as
Brian seems to be suggesting? Its web page says only the
following and there doesn't seem to be a separate moderation
policy.
Moderation aims to be "light touch"- avoid abuse and stay
on topic and you will not be "moderated".
https://groups.io/g/RSGBTechnical
Anyone he doen't like is barred. It's his little empire. Don't
bother.
Hey, I'm not barred - I guess that means he likes me?
Well, that's cheered me up!
and I know he likes me a bit...
It'd be nice if Reay and Evans could make up. It's a shame for them
to fall out forever just because Reay was a bit brusque when
correcting Evans's technical inadequacies.
"Technical inadequacies"? According to the Gazette and Herald, Brian
had been goading someone online for nine years:
"brought as evidence 50 occasions where he said Mr Reay had been
grossly offensive, which he believed was specifically targeting his
Welsh wife"
Yeah, sure. Subsequent to the initial technical drubbing, Reay did some goading and Evans did some sea-lioning. But it was Evans's technical ineptitude (in comparison to Reay) that drove the conflict onwards.
On 07:10 1 Apr 2022, Jim Stewart ... said:
On 31/03/2022 20:56, Bernie wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 14:37:01 +0100
Pamela <uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 13:29 31 Mar 2022, Bernie said:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 13:06:36 +0100 "Jim Stewart ..."
<kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On 31/03/2022 11:09, Bernie wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 23:16:05 +0100 Rambobrian likes nobody...not even himself...I quite like him thoughh
<Rambo@thisainrreal.org> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 22:28:32 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 22:07 30 Mar 2022, Rambo said:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:52:51 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 19:34 29 Mar 2022, Brian said:
Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 29/03/2022 17:44, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jagpe0Fk1f2U1@mid.individual.net>, at
17:11:44 on Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells
<hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 29/03/2022 11:22, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jag254Ffkr9U1@mid.individual.net>, at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10:34:29 on Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells
<hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 29/03/2022 10:03, Roland Perry wrote:Â The modbot is marking the homework!
In message <jaen87F7ujgU2@mid.individual.net>, at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 22:22:15 on Mon, 28Â Mar 2022, Norman Wells >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 28/03/2022 18:54, Roland Perry wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In message <zEfBmQJLvdQiFwEJ@invalid.com>, at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 17:01:15 on Mon, 28 Mar 2022, Algernon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Goss-Custard <Ben@nowhere.com> remarked: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posted
 It's by far the most commonplace circumstance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
All the moderators are, presumably, on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whitelist.
What is the justification for this rule, if rule >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is? It seems to me that much of Jeff and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Norm complaints could be addressed by getting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rid of it. Roland's diversionary argument against >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a ban on moderators moderating their own posts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because "trigger words" would then be irrelevant. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
moderators accept their own posts.
The most common occurrence actually is moderators >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posting off-topic with no restraint, no control, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no action and no comment.
 That's untrue, as a simple matter of
fact/history.
They'd have to include their own trigger word in such >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> postings, and that's quite unlikely.
What I'm saying is they mark their own homework, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
As far as I understand the procedure, it doesn't; it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> merely flags it for manual marking.
That's only if a trigger word has been used.
and don't even seem to consider whether what they're >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posting is not new or off-topic. There's no-one to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stop them, so that's what happens.
 I thought you were all in favour of free-ranging >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussions, that people seem to be interested in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> participating in.
I am. But only if it applies to all equally.
It applies equally to all those who don't use trigger >>>>>>>>>>>>>> words, or have been white-listed. Achieving the latter is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> simply case of not failing to be charming enough.
You seem utterly hung up on trigger words, and won't >>>>>>>>>>>>> consider off-topic posts that don't contain them. There >>>>>>>>>>>>> the modbot is not involved at all, so whitelisters can do >>>>>>>>>>>>> what they like with impunity. And experience shows that >>>>>>>>>>>>> they do. Whitelisters and moderators mark their own
homework and surprise, surprise, they always pass.
Roland uses things irrelevant things to try and cause
confusion / divert attention.
I moderate several groups, none of which use an automated >>>>>>>>>>>> trigger word system.
Brian, is your contribution effective and well-received in >>>>>>>>>>> those groups?
"uk.radio.amateur.moderated" has only 50 posts since the >>>>>>>>>>> beginning of December and is almost dead. You made only one >>>>>>>>>>> post in that time.
Can you identify your groups? Maybe someone else knows and >>>>>>>>>>> can help name them.
RSGBtech
Is it an explemplary group which U.L.M. could learn from, as >>>>>>>>> Brian seems to be suggesting? Its web page says only the
following and there doesn't seem to be a separate moderation >>>>>>>>> policy.
Moderation aims to be "light touch"- avoid abuse and stay >>>>>>>>> on topic and you will not be "moderated".
https://groups.io/g/RSGBTechnical
Anyone he doen't like is barred. It's his little empire. Don't >>>>>>>> bother.
Hey, I'm not barred - I guess that means he likes me?
Well, that's cheered me up!
and I know he likes me a bit...
It'd be nice if Reay and Evans could make up. It's a shame for
them to fall out forever just because Reay was a bit brusque when
correcting Evans's technical inadequacies.
"Technical inadequacies"? According to the Gazette and Herald,
Brian had been goading someone online for nine years:
"brought as evidence 50 occasions where he said Mr Reay had
been grossly offensive, which he believed was specifically
targeting his Welsh wife"
Yeah, sure. Subsequent to the initial technical drubbing, Reay did
some goading and Evans did some sea-lioning. But it was Evans's
technical ineptitude (in comparison to Reay) that drove the conflict
onwards.
which ended up with a polis man killing himself for what he had done
A policeman killing himself. Are you sure?
For what Gareth or for what Brian had done?
On 31/03/2022 20:56, Bernie wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 14:37:01 +0100
Pamela <uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 13:29 31 Mar 2022, Bernie said:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 13:06:36 +0100 "Jim Stewart ..."
<kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On 31/03/2022 11:09, Bernie wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 23:16:05 +0100 Rambobrian likes nobody...not even himself...I quite like him thoughh
<Rambo@thisainrreal.org> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 22:28:32 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 22:07 30 Mar 2022, Rambo said:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:52:51 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 19:34 29 Mar 2022, Brian said:
Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 29/03/2022 17:44, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jagpe0Fk1f2U1@mid.individual.net>, at
17:11:44 on Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells
<hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 29/03/2022 11:22, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jag254Ffkr9U1@mid.individual.net>, at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10:34:29 on Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells
<hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 29/03/2022 10:03, Roland Perry wrote:Â The modbot is marking the homework!
In message <jaen87F7ujgU2@mid.individual.net>, at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 22:22:15 on Mon, 28Â Mar 2022, Norman Wells >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 28/03/2022 18:54, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <zEfBmQJLvdQiFwEJ@invalid.com>, at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 17:01:15 on Mon, 28 Mar 2022, Algernon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Goss-Custard <Ben@nowhere.com> remarked: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posted
 It's by far the most commonplace circumstance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
All the moderators are, presumably, on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whitelist.
What is the justification for this rule, if rule >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is? It seems to me that much of Jeff and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Norm complaints could be addressed by getting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rid of it. Roland's diversionary argument against >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a ban on moderators moderating their own posts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because "trigger words" would then be irrelevant. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
moderators accept their own posts.
The most common occurrence actually is moderators >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posting off-topic with no restraint, no control, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no action and no comment.
 That's untrue, as a simple matter of
fact/history.
They'd have to include their own trigger word in such >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> postings, and that's quite unlikely.
What I'm saying is they mark their own homework, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
As far as I understand the procedure, it doesn't; it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> merely flags it for manual marking.
That's only if a trigger word has been used.
and don't even seem to consider whether what they're >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posting is not new or off-topic. There's no-one to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stop them, so that's what happens.
 I thought you were all in favour of free-ranging >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussions, that people seem to be interested in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> participating in.
I am. But only if it applies to all equally.
It applies equally to all those who don't use trigger >>>>>>>>>>>>> words, or have been white-listed. Achieving the latter is >>>>>>>>>>>>> simply case of not failing to be charming enough.
You seem utterly hung up on trigger words, and won't
consider off-topic posts that don't contain them. There >>>>>>>>>>>> the modbot is not involved at all, so whitelisters can do >>>>>>>>>>>> what they like with impunity. And experience shows that >>>>>>>>>>>> they do. Whitelisters and moderators mark their own
homework and surprise, surprise, they always pass.
Roland uses things irrelevant things to try and cause
confusion / divert attention.
I moderate several groups, none of which use an automated >>>>>>>>>>> trigger word system.
Brian, is your contribution effective and well-received in >>>>>>>>>> those groups?
"uk.radio.amateur.moderated" has only 50 posts since the
beginning of December and is almost dead. You made only one >>>>>>>>>> post in that time.
Can you identify your groups? Maybe someone else knows and >>>>>>>>>> can help name them.
RSGBtech
Is it an explemplary group which U.L.M. could learn from, as
Brian seems to be suggesting? Its web page says only the
following and there doesn't seem to be a separate moderation
policy.
Moderation aims to be "light touch"- avoid abuse and stay
on topic and you will not be "moderated".
https://groups.io/g/RSGBTechnical
Anyone he doen't like is barred. It's his little empire. Don't
bother.
Hey, I'm not barred - I guess that means he likes me?
Well, that's cheered me up!
and I know he likes me a bit...
It'd be nice if Reay and Evans could make up. It's a shame for
them to fall out forever just because Reay was a bit brusque when
correcting Evans's technical inadequacies.
"Technical inadequacies"? According to the Gazette and Herald,
Brian had been goading someone online for nine years:
"brought as evidence 50 occasions where he said Mr Reay had
been grossly offensive, which he believed was specifically
targeting his Welsh wife"
Yeah, sure. Subsequent to the initial technical drubbing, Reay did
some goading and Evans did some sea-lioning. But it was Evans's
technical ineptitude (in comparison to Reay) that drove the conflict
onwards.
which ended up with a polis man killing himself for what he had done
On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 12:39:44 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 07:10 1 Apr 2022, Jim Stewart ... said:
On 31/03/2022 20:56, Bernie wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 14:37:01 +0100 Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 13:29 31 Mar 2022, Bernie said:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 13:06:36 +0100 "Jim Stewart ..."
<kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On 31/03/2022 11:09, Bernie wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 23:16:05 +0100 Rambobrian likes nobody...not even himself...I quite like him
<Rambo@thisainrreal.org> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 22:28:32 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 22:07 30 Mar 2022, Rambo said:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:52:51 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 19:34 29 Mar 2022, Brian said:
[SNIP]
Roland uses things irrelevant things to try and cause >>>>>>>>>>>>> confusion / divert attention.
I moderate several groups, none of which use an automated >>>>>>>>>>>>> trigger word system.
Brian, is your contribution effective and well-received in >>>>>>>>>>>> those groups?
"uk.radio.amateur.moderated" has only 50 posts since the >>>>>>>>>>>> beginning of December and is almost dead. You made only >>>>>>>>>>>> one post in that time.
Can you identify your groups? Maybe someone else knows and >>>>>>>>>>>> can help name them.
RSGBtech
Is that an explemplary group which U.L.M. could learn from, >>>>>>>>>> as Brian seems to be suggesting? Its web page says only the >>>>>>>>>> following and there doesn't seem to be a separate moderation >>>>>>>>>> policy.
Moderation aims to be "light touch"- avoid abuse and
stay on topic and you will not be "moderated".
https://groups.io/g/RSGBTechnical
Anyone he doen't like is barred. It's his little empire.
Don't bother.
Hey, I'm not barred - I guess that means he likes me?
Well, that's cheered me up!
thoughh and I know he likes me a bit...
It'd be nice if Reay and Evans could make up. It's a shame for
them to fall out forever just because Reay was a bit brusque
when correcting Evans's technical inadequacies.
"Technical inadequacies"? According to the Gazette and Herald,
Brian had been goading someone online for nine years:
"brought as evidence 50 occasions where he said Mr Reay had
been grossly offensive, which he believed was specifically
targeting his Welsh wife"
Yeah, sure. Subsequent to the initial technical drubbing, Reay did
some goading and Evans did some sea-lioning. But it was Evans's
technical ineptitude (in comparison to Reay) that drove the
conflict onwards.
which ended up with a polis man killing himself for what he had
done
A policeman killing himself. Are you sure?
For what Gareth or for what Brian had done?
https://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/2108017.wiltshire-
policeman-dies/
On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 12:39:44 +0100, Pameladoing a fellow mason a favour can back fire badly....
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 07:10 1 Apr 2022, Jim Stewart ... said:
On 31/03/2022 20:56, Bernie wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 14:37:01 +0100
Pamela <uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 13:29 31 Mar 2022, Bernie said:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 13:06:36 +0100 "Jim Stewart ..."
<kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On 31/03/2022 11:09, Bernie wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 23:16:05 +0100 Rambobrian likes nobody...not even himself...I quite like him thoughh >>>>>>> and I know he likes me a bit...
<Rambo@thisainrreal.org> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 22:28:32 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 22:07 30 Mar 2022, Rambo said:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:52:51 +0100, Pamela
<uklm@permabulator.33mail.com> wrote:
On 19:34 29 Mar 2022, Brian said:
Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 29/03/2022 17:44, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jagpe0Fk1f2U1@mid.individual.net>, at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 17:11:44 on Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman WellsYou seem utterly hung up on trigger words, and won't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> consider off-topic posts that don't contain them. There >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the modbot is not involved at all, so whitelisters can do >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what they like with impunity. And experience shows that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they do. Whitelisters and moderators mark their own >>>>>>>>>>>>>> homework and surprise, surprise, they always pass.
<hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 29/03/2022 11:22, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <jag254Ffkr9U1@mid.individual.net>, at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10:34:29 on Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Norman Wells
<hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 29/03/2022 10:03, Roland Perry wrote: The modbot is marking the homework!
In message <jaen87F7ujgU2@mid.individual.net>, at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 22:22:15 on Mon, 28 Mar 2022, Norman Wells >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <hex@unseen.ac.am> remarked:
On 28/03/2022 18:54, Roland Perry wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In message <zEfBmQJLvdQiFwEJ@invalid.com>, at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 17:01:15 on Mon, 28 Mar 2022, Algernon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Goss-Custard <Ben@nowhere.com> remarked: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posted
The most common occurrence actually is moderators >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posting off-topic with no restraint, no control, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no action and no comment. It's by far the most commonplace circumstance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
All the moderators are, presumably, on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whitelist.
What is the justification for this rule, if rule >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is? It seems to me that much of Jeff and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Norm complaints could be addressed by getting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rid of it. Roland's diversionary argument against >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a ban on moderators moderating their own posts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because "trigger words" would then be irrelevant. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
moderators accept their own posts. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 That's untrue, as a simple matter of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact/history.
They'd have to include their own trigger word in such >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> postings, and that's quite unlikely.
What I'm saying is they mark their own homework, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
As far as I understand the procedure, it doesn't; it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> merely flags it for manual marking.
That's only if a trigger word has been used.
It applies equally to all those who don't use trigger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words, or have been white-listed. Achieving the latter is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simply case of not failing to be charming enough. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>and don't even seem to consider whether what they're >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posting is not new or off-topic. There's no-one to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stop them, so that's what happens.
 I thought you were all in favour of free-ranging >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussions, that people seem to be interested in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> participating in.
I am. But only if it applies to all equally. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Roland uses things irrelevant things to try and cause >>>>>>>>>>>>> confusion / divert attention.
I moderate several groups, none of which use an automated >>>>>>>>>>>>> trigger word system.
Brian, is your contribution effective and well-received in >>>>>>>>>>>> those groups?
"uk.radio.amateur.moderated" has only 50 posts since the >>>>>>>>>>>> beginning of December and is almost dead. You made only one >>>>>>>>>>>> post in that time.
Can you identify your groups? Maybe someone else knows and >>>>>>>>>>>> can help name them.
RSGBtech
Is it an explemplary group which U.L.M. could learn from, as >>>>>>>>>> Brian seems to be suggesting? Its web page says only the
following and there doesn't seem to be a separate moderation >>>>>>>>>> policy.
Moderation aims to be "light touch"- avoid abuse and stay >>>>>>>>>> on topic and you will not be "moderated".
https://groups.io/g/RSGBTechnical
Anyone he doen't like is barred. It's his little empire. Don't >>>>>>>>> bother.
Hey, I'm not barred - I guess that means he likes me?
Well, that's cheered me up!
It'd be nice if Reay and Evans could make up. It's a shame for
them to fall out forever just because Reay was a bit brusque when
correcting Evans's technical inadequacies.
"Technical inadequacies"? According to the Gazette and Herald,
Brian had been goading someone online for nine years:
"brought as evidence 50 occasions where he said Mr Reay had
been grossly offensive, which he believed was specifically
targeting his Welsh wife"
Yeah, sure. Subsequent to the initial technical drubbing, Reay did
some goading and Evans did some sea-lioning. But it was Evans's
technical ineptitude (in comparison to Reay) that drove the conflict
onwards.
which ended up with a polis man killing himself for what he had done
A policeman killing himself. Are you sure?
For what Gareth or for what Brian had done?
https://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/2108017.wiltshire-policeman-dies/
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