Gentlemen,
Does anyone know of a supplier for brake pipes such as these? (see
link). For some reason, some cretin decided it would be a great idea
to form a bulge about an inch from the end of the pipe, thus requiring
much greater seating depth and making correct placement and alignment
even more of a PITA than usual when attempting to fit brake pipes
between brake system components (and do-up the nut without x-threading
it).
Thanks, CD.
https://disk.yandex.com/i/haa_C5L1mPUKqA
Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
Gentlemen,
Does anyone know of a supplier for brake pipes such as these? (see
link). For some reason, some cretin decided it would be a great idea
to form a bulge about an inch from the end of the pipe, thus requiring
much greater seating depth and making correct placement and alignment
even more of a PITA than usual when attempting to fit brake pipes
between brake system components (and do-up the nut without x-threading
it).
Thanks, CD.
https://disk.yandex.com/i/haa_C5L1mPUKqA
Sorry, I can’t help but I am curious.
I’ve never seem that kind of fitting. Is there a make / brand ? Or every
the make of car?
As Dave P has no doubt worked out already, this is another Roller
(Silver Spirit). I'm just wondering if they've used Citroen pattern
pipes in this instance, as they did buy a lot of Citroen hydraulic
technology for incorporation into the RR fleet. Daft decision if you
ask me. Jaguar were able to do all this, with a superior ride >quality/standard of refinement IMO, without all this complex hyraulic
BS.
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:16:19 -0000 (UTC), Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:
Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
Gentlemen,
Does anyone know of a supplier for brake pipes such as these? (see
link). For some reason, some cretin decided it would be a great idea
to form a bulge about an inch from the end of the pipe, thus requiring
much greater seating depth and making correct placement and alignment
even more of a PITA than usual when attempting to fit brake pipes
between brake system components (and do-up the nut without x-threading
it).
Thanks, CD.
https://disk.yandex.com/i/haa_C5L1mPUKqA
Sorry, I can’t help but I am curious.
I’ve never seem that kind of fitting. Is there a make / brand ? Or every >the make of car?
As Dave P has no doubt worked out already, this is another Roller
(Silver Spirit). I'm just wondering if they've used Citroen pattern
pipes in this instance, as they did buy a lot of Citroen hydraulic
technology for incorporation into the RR fleet. Daft decision if you
ask me. Jaguar were able to do all this, with a superior ride quality/standard of refinement IMO, without all this complex hyraulic
BS.
In article <m6ob3htpmmtf5ue668uq0d85ndof9q3d2f@4ax.com>,
Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:16:19 -0000 (UTC), Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:
Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
Gentlemen,
Does anyone know of a supplier for brake pipes such as these? (see
link). For some reason, some cretin decided it would be a great idea
to form a bulge about an inch from the end of the pipe, thus requiring
much greater seating depth and making correct placement and alignment
even more of a PITA than usual when attempting to fit brake pipes
between brake system components (and do-up the nut without x-threading
it).
Thanks, CD.
https://disk.yandex.com/i/haa_C5L1mPUKqA
Sorry, I can’t help but I am curious.
I’ve never seem that kind of fitting. Is there a make / brand ? Or every >> >the make of car?
As Dave P has no doubt worked out already, this is another Roller
(Silver Spirit). I'm just wondering if they've used Citroen pattern
pipes in this instance, as they did buy a lot of Citroen hydraulic
technology for incorporation into the RR fleet. Daft decision if you
ask me. Jaguar were able to do all this, with a superior ride
quality/standard of refinement IMO, without all this complex hyraulic
BS.
It does look like a union designed for higher pressure than a 'normal'
brake union.
AutoMec make and sell brake pipe kits for various cars in either copper or >kunifer. I'd contact them, as they likely have the correct flaring tool.
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:16:19 -0000 (UTC), Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:
Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
Gentlemen,
Does anyone know of a supplier for brake pipes such as these? (see
link). For some reason, some cretin decided it would be a great idea
to form a bulge about an inch from the end of the pipe, thus requiring
much greater seating depth and making correct placement and alignment
even more of a PITA than usual when attempting to fit brake pipes
between brake system components (and do-up the nut without x-threading
it).
Thanks, CD.
https://disk.yandex.com/i/haa_C5L1mPUKqA
Sorry, I canÂ’t help but I am curious.
IÂ’ve never seem that kind of fitting. Is there a make / brand ? Or every >> the make of car?
As Dave P has no doubt worked out already, this is another Roller
(Silver Spirit). I'm just wondering if they've used Citroen pattern
pipes in this instance, as they did buy a lot of Citroen hydraulic
technology for incorporation into the RR fleet. Daft decision if you
ask me. Jaguar were able to do all this, with a superior ride quality/standard of refinement IMO, without all this complex hyraulic
BS.
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 15:13:58 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
In article <m6ob3htpmmtf5ue668uq0d85ndof9q3d2f@4ax.com>,
Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:16:19 -0000 (UTC), Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:
Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
Gentlemen,
Does anyone know of a supplier for brake pipes such as these? (see
link). For some reason, some cretin decided it would be a great idea >>>>> to form a bulge about an inch from the end of the pipe, thus requiring >>>>> much greater seating depth and making correct placement and alignment >>>>> even more of a PITA than usual when attempting to fit brake pipes
between brake system components (and do-up the nut without x-threading >>>>> it).
Thanks, CD.
https://disk.yandex.com/i/haa_C5L1mPUKqA
Sorry, I canÂ’t help but I am curious.
IÂ’ve never seem that kind of fitting. Is there a make / brand ? Or every >>>> the make of car?
As Dave P has no doubt worked out already, this is another Roller
(Silver Spirit). I'm just wondering if they've used Citroen pattern
pipes in this instance, as they did buy a lot of Citroen hydraulic
technology for incorporation into the RR fleet. Daft decision if you
ask me. Jaguar were able to do all this, with a superior ride
quality/standard of refinement IMO, without all this complex hyraulic
BS.
It does look like a union designed for higher pressure than a 'normal'
brake union.
AutoMec make and sell brake pipe kits for various cars in either copper or >> kunifer. I'd contact them, as they likely have the correct flaring tool.
I'll give 'em a try Dave, thanks.
I'm not sure about a flaring tool, though. I'd have thought the only
way to form a bulge like that is through forcing hydraulic fluid into
the pipe with a concave bulge in a surrounding die. That would require
a setup a bit more involved than a typical flaring tool.
In article <t152ii$ctd$1@dont-email.me>,
Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:
I‘ve never worked on either a RR or a Citroen.
I confess, I had considered buying a classic RR but I had a lay down under >> I got over the urge. Nice to have etc but Œ.
I ran an S1 Bentley for several years. Apart from things being obviously >heavy on such a large car, it was pretty DIY friendly. I even re-lined the >brake shoes myself. Given the costs of new shoes.
Unlike many other cars, many things did seem to be designed to be fixed, >rather than just replaced.
I ran an S1 Bentley for several years. Apart from things being obviously >heavy on such a large car, it was pretty DIY friendly. I even re-lined the >brake shoes myself. Given the costs of new shoes.
What was the ride like? I'd often thought about getting a S1 Cloud -
before they went to that stupid V8 engine etc in the later variants.
But I like a soft ride and Bentley don't really do that. Well ,so they
say.
In article <t152ii$ctd$1@dont-email.me>,
Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:
I‘ve never worked on either a RR or a Citroen.
I confess, I had considered buying a classic RR but I had a lay down under >> I got over the urge. Nice to have etc but Œ.
I ran an S1 Bentley for several years. Apart from things being obviously heavy on such a large car, it was pretty DIY friendly. I even re-lined the brake shoes myself. Given the costs of new shoes.
Unlike many other cars, many things did seem to be designed to be fixed, rather than just replaced.
Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
In article <t152ii$ctd$1@dont-email.me>,
Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:
I?ve never worked on either a RR or a Citroen.
I confess, I had considered buying a classic RR but I had a lay down under >>> I got over the urge. Nice to have etc but ?.
I ran an S1 Bentley for several years. Apart from things being obviously
heavy on such a large car, it was pretty DIY friendly. I even re-lined the >> brake shoes myself. Given the costs of new shoes.
Unlike many other cars, many things did seem to be designed to be fixed,
rather than just replaced.
I know several people who own older Bentleys, Rolls Royces, etc and, like
you find them fun, even easy to maintain. Since my stroke, I only do basic >things. I certainly avoid anything involving heavy work under cars.
In article <31pe3h1piqd4cccdgomjpcl06odv50n796@4ax.com>,
Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
I ran an S1 Bentley for several years. Apart from things being obviously
heavy on such a large car, it was pretty DIY friendly. I even re-lined the >> >brake shoes myself. Given the costs of new shoes.
What was the ride like? I'd often thought about getting a S1 Cloud -
before they went to that stupid V8 engine etc in the later variants.
But I like a soft ride and Bentley don't really do that. Well ,so they
say.
Ride was pretty good even for a live rear axle car. But in main because of >the large crossply tyres. Which had a short life. Radials ruin the ride - >same as on early Shadows. The 6 cylinder was silky smooth, but a tendency
to eat exhaust valves if driven hard. The V8 isn't as smooth at idle, but >pretty bomb proof.
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 16:55:59 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
In article <31pe3h1piqd4cccdgomjpcl06odv50n796@4ax.com>,
Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
I ran an S1 Bentley for several years. Apart from things being obviously >> >heavy on such a large car, it was pretty DIY friendly. I even re-lined the
brake shoes myself. Given the costs of new shoes.
What was the ride like? I'd often thought about getting a S1 Cloud -
before they went to that stupid V8 engine etc in the later variants.
But I like a soft ride and Bentley don't really do that. Well ,so they
say.
Ride was pretty good even for a live rear axle car. But in main because of >the large crossply tyres. Which had a short life. Radials ruin the ride - >same as on early Shadows. The 6 cylinder was silky smooth, but a tendency >to eat exhaust valves if driven hard. The V8 isn't as smooth at idle, but >pretty bomb proof.
I would still take a straight six any day of the week. If that Bentley
lump blew up, the obvious thing to do would be to install a Jag 4.2
XKE engine in its place and just weld the Bentley rocker covers over
the Jag ones.Sorted. ;-)
You've obviously not driven an S1 Bentley. The overhead inlet, side
exhaust 4.9 litre low comression engine produced enormous torque just
above idle. Totally different concept from the XK engine.
You've obviously not driven an S1 Bentley. The overhead inlet, side
exhaust 4.9 litre low comression engine produced enormous torque just
above idle. Totally different concept from the XK engine.
Maybe a totally different concept - and from a different era, but ...
Most engines were low compression out of necessity, because of the low
grade "pool" petrol available.
Also, I was told some years ago that at one time, vehicle tax
calculations were dependent on "piston surface area" - which (in the
days of flat top pistons) I suppose means the bore.
If thats true, then engine designers may have been guided down the road
of "overstroking" as a means of buying some displacement, and the side effects of increased gas velocity and torque would have been welcome.
For comparison purposes, the original 3.4 XK clocks in at 1.27:1 stroke
/ bore and the Bentley is 1.2:1
Theres doubtless a load of other variables in the equation too - for
example there may have been little incentive to produce high revving oversquare engines without suitable valve springs to keep them going.
And the Ford 105E was introduced during the S1 production
run.
In article <t1fd9f$v12$1@dont-email.me>,
The S1 engine would idle reliably at 175 rpm. Peak revs only about 4000.
Very restful way of proceeding. ;-) It wasn't actually that thirsty
either. My early XJ6 LWB 4.2 auto got the prize as the thirstiest car I've ever owned.
On 23/03/2022 16:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
And the Ford 105E was introduced during the S1 production
run.
I dont understand the relevance of that at all.
On 23/03/2022 16:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article <t1fd9f$v12$1@dont-email.me>,
The S1 engine would idle reliably at 175 rpm. Peak revs only about 4000. Very restful way of proceeding. ;-) It wasn't actually that thirsty
either. My early XJ6 LWB 4.2 auto got the prize as the thirstiest car I've ever owned.
Your posts prompted me to look up S1s. Honest John is listing several
for sale, between £19k and £490k.
In article <t1g1qj$gud$1@dont-email.me>,
Abandoned_Trolley <fred@fred-smith.co.uk> wrote:
On 23/03/2022 16:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
And the Ford 105E was introduced during the S1 production
run.
I dont understand the relevance of that at all.
A very over square engine. Which were the fashion for a while. But
emission control caused a revert to longer stroke designs.
On 24/03/2022 15:02, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article <t1g1qj$gud$1@dont-email.me>,
Abandoned_Trolley <fred@fred-smith.co.uk> wrote:
On 23/03/2022 16:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
And the Ford 105E was introduced during the S1 production
run.
I dont understand the relevance of that at all.
A very over square engine. Which were the fashion for a while. But
emission control caused a revert to longer stroke designs.
Jaguar production V12 motors were also very over square (70x90) but
obviously managaed to comply with US emission standards.
The later 6 litre models were even more oversquare.
All other things being equal, I have no idea what impact the bore:stroke ratio has on emissions.
On 23/03/2022 16:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article <t1fd9f$v12$1@dont-email.me>,
The S1 engine would idle reliably at 175 rpm. Peak revs only about 4000.
Very restful way of proceeding. ;-) It wasn't actually that thirsty
either. My early XJ6 LWB 4.2 auto got the prize as the thirstiest car I've >> ever owned.
Your posts prompted me to look up S1s. Honest John is listing several
for sale, between £19k and £490k.
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