• "What a shame": Timmy Mallett finds "new bike trap" on National Cycle N

    From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 12 03:35:23 2023
    Timmy Mallett was back out on the bike yesterday, on familiar off-road paths near Maidenhead and Windsor, including a stretch of National Cycle Network 50. Unfortunately the take-home message from this spin in the countryside was that "sadly it looks
    like the end of cycle route 50" because of this.

    https://cdn.road.cc/sites/default/files/styles/main_width/public/nn5zs6ylever-dhmjui30r31ko17b2-lctsimunoq-1152x2048.jpg

    "For decades I've been riding the green ways of Britain and this green way, like many others, is by permission of the landowner," Mallett told his Strava followers. "Oh dear. This week a new bike trap at Lighlands lane, Cookham, has gone in on cycle
    route 50, and I can't get my handlebars through.

    "The result is the green way is now off limits and not accessible for cyclists, hand bikes or wheelchairs. What a shame."

    "It is of course the prerogative of the landowner how they choose to make the way accessible and for whom. Sadly it looks like the end of cycle route 50," Mallett continued. "Instead the detour is over the treacherous Widbrook common, which is utterly
    scary.

    "I pedalled along a road into Maidenhead, picked up NCN4 where the bike gates have been removed and the green way is shared safely and happily. Across the new cycle path by the side of the M4 over the Thames to Dorney and down past Boveney chapel to the
    lovely meadows by Eton.


    "May is a gorgeous month to enjoy Britain's cycle paths. There's a new pedestrian area being constructed by Queen Victoria's state next to Windsor castle. The way home came through fields of buttercups and cascading white may blossom. There were also
    huge flooded footpaths.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Fri May 12 15:43:39 2023
    On 12/05/2023 11:35 am, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

    Timmy Mallett was back out on the chav-bike yesterday, on familiar off-road paths near Maidenhead and Windsor, including a stretch of National Chav-Cycle Network 50. Unfortunately the take-home message from this spin in the countryside was that "sadly
    it looks like the end of chav-cycle route 50" because of this.

    https://cdn.road.cc/sites/default/files/styles/main_width/public/nn5zs6ylever-dhmjui30r31ko17b2-lctsimunoq-1152x2048.jpg

    "For decades I've been riding the green ways of Britain and this green way, like many others, is by permission of the landowner," Mallett told his Strava followers. "Oh dear. This week a new chav-bike trap at Lighlands lane, Cookham, has gone in on
    chav-cycle route 50, and I can't get my handlebars through.

    TRANSLATION: "I can't ride my chav-bike straight through at speed,
    taking no account of legitimate track-users who are not chav-cyclists".

    Of course, it would be impossible for a chav to lift their chav-bike the requisite eighteen inches, wouldn't it?

    There's one of those gates near here.

    Why do you suppose they have to be erected, thicko?

    "The result is the green way is now off limits and not accessible for chav-cyclists, hand chav-bikes or wheelchairs. What a shame."

    "It is of course the prerogative of the landowner how they choose to make the way accessible and for whom.

    That's RIGHT!

    Sadly it looks like the end of chav-cycle route 50," Mallett continued. "Instead the detour is over the treacherous Widbrook common, which is utterly scary.

    "I pedalled along a road into Maidenhead, picked up NCN4 where the bike gates have been removed and the green way is shared safely and happily. Across the new chav-cycle path by the side of the M4 over the Thames to Dorney and down past Boveney chapel
    to the lovely meadows by Eton.

    "May is a gorgeous month to enjoy Britain's chav-cycle paths. There's a new pedestrian area being constructed by Queen Victoria's state next to Windsor castle. The way home came through fields of buttercups and cascading white may blossom. There were
    also huge flooded footpaths.

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 12 08:46:04 2023
    There's always a way around everything. :-)

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    Well done you utter stars!

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Fri May 12 17:00:34 2023
    On 12/05/2023 04:46 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

    There's always a way around everything. :-)

    https://cdn.road.cc/sites/default/files/styles/main_width/public/screenshot-100_0.png

    Well done you utter stars!

    Stopping chavs from riding their chav-bikes at full pelt along footpaths
    is precisely what those chav-cycle gates are *for*! There should be one
    every hundred yards.

    Result.

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 12 09:05:11 2023
    This group ride playing 'how many cyclists does it take to lift a cargo bike over cycle route barrier?' made our live blog back in March... On the same lines as Timmy Mallett's post (and dare I say the never-ending talk about bike storage on trains),
    fine if you've got skinny bars and can lift your bike, not so fine for those in wheelchairs, riding cargo bikes, wider handlebar bikes etc.

    And from the replies to Mallett's Strava activity, he's not the only one pissed off...

    Karen: "There are campaigns to take these out all across the country. It's really disappointing to see new ones going in."

    Rob: "To those saying to turn the bars 90 degrees. We need to be making our cycle ways more accessible for those with a wide range of abilities riding a wide range of bikes. Simply letting these gates be installed and only used by the able isn't the
    answer."

    Simon: "This has happened in Portsmouth, also on a Sustrans route."

    Crispin: "Such barriers are in breach of equality legislation. They should be being removed, not installed. Report to Sustrans."

    Andrew: "Supposed to stop motorbikes, but still rubbish for people with wide bars and even wheelchair users."

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to JNugent on Fri May 12 16:12:38 2023
    JNugent <jenningsandco@mail.com> wrote:
    On 12/05/2023 04:46 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

    There's always a way around everything. :-)

    https://cdn.road.cc/sites/default/files/styles/main_width/public/screenshot-100_0.png

    Well done you utter stars!

    Stopping chavs from riding their chav-bikes at full pelt along footpaths
    is precisely what those chav-cycle gates are *for*! There should be one
    every hundred yards.

    Result.

    It looks like they would have to go round in groups of four in order to
    defeat the cycle gates. I don’t see that happening.


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    Spike

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Fri May 12 09:15:21 2023
    On Friday, May 12, 2023 at 5:05:12 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:


    Andrew: "Supposed to stop motorbikes, but still rubbish for people with wide bars and even wheelchair users."

    THESE TWATS DON'T CARE ABOUT DISABLED PEOPLE.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Fri May 12 16:17:30 2023
    swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    This group ride playing 'how many cyclists does it take to lift a cargo
    bike over cycle route barrier?' made our live blog back in March... On
    the same lines as Timmy Mallett's post (and dare I say the never-ending
    talk about bike storage on trains), fine if you've got skinny bars and
    can lift your bike, not so fine for those in wheelchairs, riding cargo
    bikes, wider handlebar bikes etc.

    And from the replies to Mallett's Strava activity, he's not the only one pissed off...

    Karen: "There are campaigns to take these out all across the country.
    It's really disappointing to see new ones going in."

    When bike gates are erected on private land, then there’s nothing that
    Karen, Simon, Rob, Christian, or Andrew can do about it.

    Suck it up, people.

    Rob: "To those saying to turn the bars 90 degrees. We need to be making
    our cycle ways more accessible for those with a wide range of abilities riding a wide range of bikes. Simply letting these gates be installed and only used by the able isn't the answer."

    Simon: "This has happened in Portsmouth, also on a Sustrans route."

    Crispin: "Such barriers are in breach of equality legislation. They
    should be being removed, not installed. Report to Sustrans."

    Andrew: "Supposed to stop motorbikes, but still rubbish for people with
    wide bars and even wheelchair users."

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    Spike

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 12 09:51:52 2023
    SUSTRANS SAYS:
    QUOTE:
    The barriers we tackle are ones that prevent members of the public from easily accessing paths.

    This includes people with trikes, trailers, cargo bikes, prams, wheelchairs, mobility scooters and, in some cases, standard bicycles. ENDS

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 12 09:48:54 2023
    QUOTE: "Such barriers are in breach of equality legislation. They should be being removed, not installed. Report to Sustrans. ENDS

    When it comes down to it, it seems there are a lot more people who want barriers gone than want them there.

    Martyn Brunt, Land Manager for Midlands and East.

    https://www.sustrans.org.uk/our-blog/opinion/2021/november/how-we-remove-barriers-from-the-national-cycle-network

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Fri May 12 17:13:27 2023
    swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    SUSTRANS SAYS:
    QUOTE:
    The barriers we tackle are ones that prevent members of the public from easily accessing paths.

    This includes people with trikes, trailers, cargo bikes, prams,
    wheelchairs, mobility scooters and, in some cases, standard bicycles. ENDS

    I take it there’s a complete lack of evidence to support the hypothesis
    that removing barriers leads to an increase in traffic for those using
    prams, wheelchairs, and mobility scooters?

    Is the cycling world’s agenda hiding behind the disabilities of others?

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    Spike

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 12 10:17:56 2023
    As custodians of the National Cycle Network, we’re committed to making it safe and accessible for everyone. Martyn Brunt, our Land Manager for the Midlands and East, discusses the work it takes to remove barriers which prevent people from using paths.

    "So far across the Midlands, my maintenance team and I have removed nearly 30 chicanes, A frames, gates and other barriers from the Network.

    Teams across all other regions are also proving that this work really can be done.

    The barriers we've removed in the Midlands were located from Staffordshire to Lincolnshire.

    The majority of these obstacles were on paths that Sustrans owns."

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Fri May 12 18:58:43 2023
    swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

    As custodians of the National Cycle Network, we’re committed to making it safe and accessible for everyone. Martyn Brunt, our Land Manager for the Midlands and East, discusses the work it takes to remove barriers which prevent people from using paths.

    "So far across the Midlands, my maintenance team and I have removed
    nearly 30 chicanes, A frames, gates and other barriers from the Network.

    The majority of these obstacles were on paths that Sustrans owns."

    That’s like ‘dog bites postman’…

    or MRDA

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    Spike

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 12 12:16:20 2023
    Easier to go in backwards sometimes. :-)

    https://www.sustrans.org.uk/media/9741/2003s055_reading-rose-kiln.jpg?anchor=center&mode=crop&width=730&height=410

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Fri May 12 20:32:57 2023
    On 12/05/2023 05:05 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

    This group ride playing 'how many chav-cyclists does it take to lift a cargo chav-bike over chav-cycle route barrier?' made our live blog back in March... On the same lines as Timmy Mallett's post (and dare I say the never-ending talk about bike
    storage on trains), fine if you've got skinny bars and can lift your chav-bike, not so fine for those in wheelchairs, riding cargo chav-bikes, wider handlebar chav-bikes etc.

    And from the replies to Mallett's Strava activity, he's not the only one pissed off...

    Karen: "There are campaigns to take these out all across the country. It's really disappointing to see new ones going in."

    But what does it have to do with you, aptly-named Karen? It's on private
    land. If you can't comply, stay away.

    Rob: "To those saying to turn the bars 90 degrees. We need to be making our chav-cycle ways more accessible for those with a wide range of abilities riding a wide range of chav-bikes. Simply letting these gates be installed and only used by the able
    isn't the answer."

    "our"?

    Do you own them?

    Simon: "This has happened in Portsmouth, also on a Sustrans route."

    ...on private land?

    Crispin: "Such barriers are in breach of equality legislation. They should be being removed, not installed. Report to Sustrans."

    Why not complain to the United Nations?

    Andrew: "Supposed to stop motorbikes, but still rubbish for people with wide bars and even wheelchair users."


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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Fri May 12 20:34:38 2023
    On 12/05/2023 05:48 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

    QUOTE: "Such barriers are in breach of equality legislation. They should be being removed, not installed. Report to Sustrans. ENDS

    When it comes down to it, it seems there are a lot more people who want barriers gone than want them there.

    That doesn't matter at all.

    The owner of the land outvotes every chav cyclist in the country.

    Martyn Brunt, Land Manager for Midlands and East.

    https://www.sustrans.org.uk/our-blog/opinion/2021/november/how-we-remove-barriers-from-the-national-cycle-network


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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Fri May 12 20:35:09 2023
    On 12/05/2023 05:51 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
    SUSTRANS SAYS:
    QUOTE:
    The barriers we tackle are ones that prevent members of the public from easily accessing paths.

    This includes people with chav-trikes, trailers, cargo chav-bikes, prams, wheelchairs, mobility scooters and, in some cases, standard chav-bicycles. ENDS


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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 12 12:45:04 2023
    Despite the sometimes arduous processes, it’s very satisfying when we do finally get to start the physical removal of a barrier.

    And when people using paths have caught us in the act they have, without exception, been delighted.

    The first barrier we chopped out was a metal chicane monstrosity in Warwickshire.

    When we began working away, we half expected the police to show up and whisk us off to court to face awkward questions, but thankfully that didn’t happen.

    In our work, we’ve had people cycling, riding horses and walking dogs all stop to express their delight that the awkward contraption in question has gone.

    And this is usually followed by a question of when we can get rid of the next one down the road!

    When it comes down to it, it seems there are a lot more people who want barriers gone than want them there.

    https://www.sustrans.org.uk/media/9742/1808c113_warmley-wheelers.jpg?anchor=center&mode=crop&width=730&height=410

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