il0ran | 2901 posts | 22 hours ago
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Every time this case comes up I'm utterly puzzled as to how the judge/jury reached their decision. The facts as far as I can determine are:the lower, steeper slopes.
The two cyclists were heading north-westbound on the A40 from Piddington towards their homes in Haddenham.
The driver hit them from behind
There's mention of the brow of the hill in a witness statement
The uphill section of the A40 from Piddington is about a mile long and pretty much straight
It was 6.40pm in the evening in June so low sun is unlikely to be a factor (and not mentioned in mitigation, as it usually would be)
If the cyclists were heading home as reported it's likely that they were due to head off the A40 at Beacon's Bottom which is beyond the top of the hill. That means that they weren't stationary and turning right.
The driver is from Wallingford and was also heading home. That means he was likely using the A40 to cross the M40 at Stokenchurch and go via Christmas Common.
That hill is probably around 6% for half a mile or so at the bottom. The cyclists were unlikely to be sprinting up it.
One of the cyclists was "thrown over the barrier and down a bank. There's a low non-armco barrier on the steep section of the climb which is preceded by a straight stretch of road. No barrier at the top of the hill so it sounds like he hit them on
It's a 60mph limit.performance cars rather than bikes. It's not a direct route to Wallingford but used as a bit of a rat run to avoid the M40, or if you fancy a bit of an A-road blat. Whilst he may have had a clean driving record I'd imagine that's more to do with not
If all the above is true I just can't work out how he didn't see them for hundreds of yards
The route he was taking home is one of those you'd do in a powerful car of a nice summer's evening - I know this because I used to do a loop from Reading to High Wycombe to Wallingford and back which used that stretch of road when my interests were
The judiciary and their leniency towards those causing traffic
"accidents" is not the central issue but just a symptom of a much greater issue - the normalisation of inept, incompetent, inattentive and
generally sub-standard driving - along with the normalisation of current
car designs to include far too much power, speed, weight and other
dangerous factors that are not needed for their supposed primary purpose
of getting from A to B.
The fundamental cause of these situations of unaddressed murder and
maiming is the car and the way that it's designed and marketed. Cars are made to be used as they are used - dangerously - which pays little
attention to the safety of humans near them, despite all the supposed
safety aids (which may actually be encouraging risk compensation effects
that make drivers even more careless with their speed and lack of attention).
One way to stop these car crimes would be to stop the access to such
cars, meaning no issue of having to write endless laws about their use
which are semi-ignored by an overworked and over-sympathetic legal
system. If you can't buy a gun you can't shoot people, "accidently" or deliberately. Ditto the car and "accidents".
On-line and home working take away a huge portion of the "I need my car" argument. And modern societies can be organised without a zillion cars anyway. I recall such a place from the time of my early youth in the
1950s, when cars were few and far between.
The things are an evil blight and always have been, with a thousand ill effects compensated little by their very few advantages.
And there are much safer alternatives for personal and mass
transportation - including much slower, lighter and safer car designs
that force drivers to pay attention.
But it wasn’t dangerous driving,
Two people dead, but it wasn't dangerous. The law is an ass. Still
waiting for the comprehensive review of road law.
Judge Gledhill said: "He simply hadn’t seen them.
No "simply" about it: he wasn't paying attention and two people died, but
it isn't dangerous.
It may have well been that along that road where there are trees on
either side of the road and in other places no trees leaving shade and
bright sunlight that in those shadows and bright light he simply missed them.
"It may well have been........" Don't they know? Judges are supposed to judge on the facts, not suppositions, and the police investigator said "Rennie should have been able to see the cyclists". Was the judge paid
by the defence or is he in the same lodge?
If these ladies would like to start a crowdfunder for their legal costs, count me in for a few quid.
Peowpeowpeowlasers | 708 posts | 3 days ago
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If the driver does not "know" why he didn't see the two people cycling,
then his licence to drive should be permanently revoked until he can explain this.
Perhaps he's telling the truth and was not distracted. In which case, perhaps he has an undiagnosed medical condition. In which case, it might happen again.
Why the fuck is he still allowed to drive?
This is what gets me. If you crash because you weren't paying attention
you should have been and should be punished. If you have no idea what you
did wrong when you kill two people then you are dangerous and shouldn't be on the roads.
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wtjs | 2874 posts | 3 days ago
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A well-known and established technique for getting away with killing
cyclists has once again proved effective: if you've been drinking, get
home quickly and swallow a few more- you don't need to worry about
leaving the scene of a collision because of the ScotFilth Dodge: just say
you don't remember the incident. Then apologise, express regret and
sympathy for the bereaved, say you'll have to 'live with this for the
rest of your life, thereby claiming victim status, and you're home free.
Avatarthe ScotFilth Dodge: just say you don't remember the incident. Then apologise, express regret and sympathy for the bereaved, say you'll have to 'live with this for the rest of your life, thereby claiming victim status, and you're home free.
wtjs | 2874 posts | 3 days ago
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A well-known and established technique for getting away with killing cyclists has once again proved effective: if you've been drinking, get home quickly and swallow a few more- you don't need to worry about leaving the scene of a collision because of
It's not the first time this sort of thing has happened: A motorist never stopped at a pedestrian crossing, hit an elderly man, and killed him - the judge let her off because as he said "she was only doing 18 mph". It appears that killing cyclists andpedestrians with a car is considered to be a very minor offence by the judiciary.
But it wasn’t dangerous driving,lodge?
Two people dead, but it wasn't dangerous. The law is an ass. Still waiting for the comprehensive review of road law.
Judge Gledhill said: "He simply hadn’t seen them.
No "simply" about it: he wasn't paying attention and two people died, but it isn't dangerous.
It may have well been that along that road where there are trees on either side of the road and in other places no trees leaving shade and bright sunlight that in those shadows and bright light he simply missed them.
"It may well have been........" Don't they know? Judges are supposed to judge on the facts, not suppositions, and the police investigator said "Rennie should have been able to see the cyclists". Was the judge paid by the defence or is he in the same
If these ladies would like to start a crowdfunder for their legal costs, count me in for a few quid.
It is interesting to note that the judge in the Auriol Grey case was applauded by cyclists for his case handling and sentence, but in the case which is commented below, the judge involved heard all the evidence, and applied the law just as the previous judge did, and is now being castigated by cyclists because of that.
Does anyone fail to see the double standards of cyclists operating here?
swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
But it wasn’t dangerous driving,
Two people dead, but it wasn't dangerous. The law is an ass. Still
waiting for the comprehensive review of road law.
Judge Gledhill said: "He simply hadn’t seen them.
No "simply" about it: he wasn't paying attention and two people died, but
it isn't dangerous.
It may have well been that along that road where there are trees on
either side of the road and in other places no trees leaving shade and
bright sunlight that in those shadows and bright light he simply missed them.
"It may well have been........" Don't they know? Judges are supposed to
judge on the facts, not suppositions, and the police investigator said
"Rennie should have been able to see the cyclists". Was the judge paid
by the defence or is he in the same lodge?
If these ladies would like to start a crowdfunder for their legal costs,
count me in for a few quid.
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