The Sentencing Council, which provides guidance for judges, has deemed that knocking over and killing a cyclist will be a prime “aggravating factor” if a motorist is convicted of causing death by dangerous driving.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/20/drivers-life-sentence-death-dangerous-driving-cyclists/

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On 20/06/2023 06:13 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

The Sentencing Council, which provides guidance for judges, has deemed that knocking over and killing a cyclist will be a prime “aggravating factor” if a motorist is convicted of causing death by dangerous driving.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/20/drivers-life-sentence-death-dangerous-driving-cyclists/

One thing is for sure: no-one will be convicted of CDBDD unless the
death of someone has been caused by dangerous driving.

And possibly not even then.

After all, it depends on whose fault it was.

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On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 6:13:18 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

The Sentencing Council, which provides guidance for judges, has deemed that knocking over and killing a cyclist will be a prime “aggravating factor” if a motorist is convicted of causing death by dangerous driving.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/20/drivers-life-sentence-death-dangerous-driving-cyclists/

Pay per view so no text available - sorry.

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On 20/06/2023 09:14 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 6:13:18 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

The Sentencing Council, which provides guidance for judges, has deemed that knocking over and killing a cyclist will be a prime “aggravating factor” if a motorist is convicted of causing death by dangerous driving.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/20/drivers-life-sentence-death-dangerous-driving-cyclists/

Pay per view so no text available - sorry.

Thank you for answering my post of 21:12, even though you deceitfully
pretend to be answering yourself.

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On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 9:15:00 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 6:13:18 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

The Sentencing Council, which provides guidance for judges, has deemed that knocking over and killing a cyclist will be a prime “aggravating factor” if a motorist is convicted of causing death by dangerous driving.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/20/drivers-life-sentence-death-dangerous-driving-cyclists/

Pay per view so no text available - sorry.

Torygraph's gammon readers must be dying off and the young do not read that far right trash.

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On 20/06/2023 09:27 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 9:15:00 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 6:13:18 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote: >>> The Sentencing Council, which provides guidance for judges, has deemed that knocking over and killing a cyclist will be a prime “aggravating factor” if a motorist is convicted of causing death by dangerous driving.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/20/drivers-life-sentence-death-dangerous-driving-cyclists/

Pay per view so no text available - sorry.

Torygraph's gammon readers must be dying off and the young do not read that far right trash.

Thank you for responding to my post of 21:20.

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JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:

On 20/06/2023 06:13 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

The Sentencing Council, which provides guidance for judges, has deemed
that knocking over and killing a cyclist will be a prime “aggravating
factor” if a motorist is convicted of causing death by dangerous driving. >>
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/20/drivers-life-sentence-death-dangerous-driving-cyclists/

One thing is for sure: no-one will be convicted of CDBDD unless the
death of someone has been caused by dangerous driving.

And possibly not even then.

After all, it depends on whose fault it was.

Isn’t it a little strange that in considering this proposal, the crime one
is about to be sentenced for counts as an aggravating factor in weighing up
the sentencing for the crime that was committed?

On the face of it, it sounds somewhat redolent of the Soviet Union way of thinking.

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swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 9:15:00 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 6:13:18 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote: >>> The Sentencing Council, which provides guidance for judges, has deemed

that knocking over and killing a cyclist will be a prime “aggravating
factor” if a motorist is convicted of causing death by dangerous driving. >>>
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/20/drivers-life-sentence-death-dangerous-driving-cyclists/

Pay per view so no text available - sorry.

Torygraph's gammon readers must be dying off and the young do not read
that far right trash.

The young grow older, and in that process change their views. Those that
voted to Remain in the 1975 Referendum were the very people that 41 years
later voted Leave, after all that experience of the EU and its functioning.

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Pay per view so no text available - sorry.

Torygraph's gammon readers must be dying off and the young do not read that far right trash.

So far, it appears that all you need to do to get around it is to delete all the cookies that have the word 'telegraph' in them. In Chrome, these are easily accessed from the Settings / Advanced Settings / Content Settings / All Cookies and Site Data
menu. This speedily restores the site and no need to pay.

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Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote:

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 9:15:00 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 6:13:18 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> The Sentencing Council, which provides guidance for judges, has deemed >>>> that knocking over and killing a cyclist will be a prime “aggravating >>>> factor” if a motorist is convicted of causing death by dangerous driving.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/20/drivers-life-sentence-death-dangerous-driving-cyclists/

Pay per view so no text available - sorry.

Torygraph's gammon readers must be dying off and the young do not read
that far right trash.

The young grow older, and in that process change their views. Those that voted to Remain in the 1975 Referendum were the very people that 41 years later voted Leave, after all that experience of the EU and its functioning.

The “Common Market”, as it was generally known in the 1970s, was an entirely different animal to the EU of today.

It isn’t so much those who voted that have changed as the ( dis) Organisation.

Plus, unlike other Countries, our bureaucrats seem particularly inept when
it comes to getting a good deal. Even with Maggie’s rebate, we were a huge net contributor yet visit, for example, France and you see countless
examples of EU money spent to improve things.

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JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:

On 20/06/2023 06:13 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

The Sentencing Council, which provides guidance for judges, has deemed
that knocking over and killing a cyclist will be a prime “aggravating
factor” if a motorist is convicted of causing death by dangerous driving. >>
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/20/drivers-life-sentence-death-dangerous-driving-cyclists/

One thing is for sure: no-one will be convicted of CDBDD unless the
death of someone has been caused by dangerous driving.

And possibly not even then.

After all, it depends on whose fault it was.

Don’t forget the recent case when a cyclist, riding on a pavement
illegally, terrorised a pedestrian and then fell under a car.

Both the pedestrian and the driver were entirely innocent yet the
pedestrian was jailed.

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On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 6:18:39 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

Pay per view so no text available - sorry.

Torygraph's gammon readers must be dying off and the young do not read that far right trash.

So far, it appears that all you need to do to get around it is to delete all the cookies that have the word 'telegraph' in them. In Chrome, these are easily accessed from the Settings / Advanced Settings / Content Settings / All Cookies and Site Data

menu. This speedily restores the site and no need to pay.

Of course, this won't magically make it anything other than a lying Tory propaganda rag.

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On 21/06/2023 09:40 am, Brian wrote:

JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:

On 20/06/2023 06:13 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

The Sentencing Council, which provides guidance for judges, has deemed
that knocking over and killing a cyclist will be a prime “aggravating
factor” if a motorist is convicted of causing death by dangerous driving. >>>
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/20/drivers-life-sentence-death-dangerous-driving-cyclists/

One thing is for sure: no-one will be convicted of CDBDD unless the
death of someone has been caused by dangerous driving.

And possibly not even then.

After all, it depends on whose fault it was.

Don’t forget the recent case when a cyclist, riding on a pavement illegally, terrorised a pedestrian and then fell under a car.

Both the pedestrian and the driver were entirely innocent yet the
pedestrian was jailed.

Mad mason was foaming at the mouth because the driver wasn't punished
for the offence she didn't commit.

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Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:

Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote:

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 9:15:00 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 6:13:18 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> The Sentencing Council, which provides guidance for judges, has deemed >>>>> that knocking over and killing a cyclist will be a prime “aggravating >>>>> factor” if a motorist is convicted of causing death by dangerous driving.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/20/drivers-life-sentence-death-dangerous-driving-cyclists/

Pay per view so no text available - sorry.

Torygraph's gammon readers must be dying off and the young do not read
that far right trash.

The young grow older, and in that process change their views. Those that
voted to Remain in the 1975 Referendum were the very people that 41 years
later voted Leave, after all that experience of the EU and its functioning. >>

The “Common Market”, as it was generally known in the 1970s, was an entirely different animal to the EU of today.

It isn’t so much those who voted that have changed as the ( dis) Organisation.

Plus, unlike other Countries, our bureaucrats seem particularly inept when
it comes to getting a good deal. Even with Maggie’s rebate, we were a huge net contributor yet visit, for example, France and you see countless
examples of EU money spent to improve things.

I’m constantly surprised to find that many people can’t grasp that the EEC/EC/EU was set up to benefit France and Germany. That other countries received largesse from the EEC/EC/EU was only to help disguise how much was going to those two countries. The cost of the Common Agricultural Policy, designed to throw money at those small farms in France, was fabulous. No
wonder to EU was annoyed when a major contributor decided to leave.

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swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 6:18:39 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

Pay per view so no text available - sorry.

Torygraph's gammon readers must be dying off and the young do not read
that far right trash.

So far, it appears that all you need to do to get around it is to delete
all the cookies that have the word 'telegraph' in them. In Chrome, these
are easily accessed from the Settings / Advanced Settings / Content
Settings / All Cookies and Site Data menu. This speedily restores the
site and no need to pay.

Of course, this won't magically make it anything other than a lying Tory propaganda rag.

Do lying Socialist propaganda rags set paywalls?

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On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 10:07:17 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 6:18:39 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

Pay per view so no text available - sorry.

Torygraph's gammon readers must be dying off and the young do not read that far right trash.

So far, it appears that all you need to do to get around it is to delete all the cookies that have the word 'telegraph' in them. In Chrome, these are easily accessed from the Settings / Advanced Settings / Content Settings / All Cookies and Site Data

menu. This speedily restores the site and no need to pay.

Of course, this won't magically make it anything other than a lying Tory propaganda rag.

How can the Guardian keep their site free with a readership of skint lefties?

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swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 10:07:17 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 6:18:39 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> Pay per view so no text available - sorry.

Torygraph's gammon readers must be dying off and the young do not read >>>> that far right trash.

So far, it appears that all you need to do to get around it is to
delete all the cookies that have the word 'telegraph' in them. In
Chrome, these are easily accessed from the Settings / Advanced Settings
/ Content Settings / All Cookies and Site Data menu. This speedily
restores the site and no need to pay.

Of course, this won't magically make it anything other than a lying Tory propaganda rag.

How can the Guardian keep their site free with a readership of skint lefties?

QUOTE

The continual losses made by the National Newspaper division of the
Guardian Media Group caused it to dispose of its Regional Media division by selling titles to competitor Trinity Mirror in March 2010. This included
the flagship Manchester Evening News, and severed the historic link between that paper and The Guardian. The sale was in order to safeguard the future
of The Guardian newspaper as is the intended purpose of the Scott
Trust.[156]

In June 2011 Guardian News and Media revealed increased annual losses of
£33 million and announced that it was looking to focus on its online
edition for news coverage, leaving the print edition to contain more
comments and features. It was also speculated that The Guardian might
become the first British national daily paper to be fully online.[157][158]

For the three years up to June 2012, the paper lost £100,000 a day, which prompted Intelligent Life to question whether The Guardian could
survive.[159]

Between 2007 and 2014 The Guardian Media Group sold all their side
businesses, of regional papers and online portals for classifieds and consolidated, into The Guardian as sole product. The sales let them acquire
a capital stock of £838.3 million as of July 2014, supposed to guarantee
the independence of the Guardian in perpetuity. In the first year, the
paper made more losses than predicted, and in January 2016 the publishers announced, that The Guardian will cut 20 per cent of staff and costs within
the next three years.[160] The newspaper is rare in calling for direct contributions "to deliver the independent journalism the world needs."[161]

ENDQUOTE

<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian>

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JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:

On 21/06/2023 11:39 am, swldx...@gmail.com...

...pretending only to answer his own posts, said:

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 10:07:17 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

...pretending only to answer his own posts, said:

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 6:18:39 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

Pay per view so no text available - sorry.

Torygraph's gammon readers must be dying off and the young do not
read that far right trash.

So far, it appears that all you need to do to get around it is to
delete all the cookies that have the word 'telegraph' in them. In
Chrome, these are easily accessed from the Settings / Advanced
Settings / Content Settings / All Cookies and Site Data menu. This
speedily restores the site and no need to pay.

Of course, this won't magically make it anything other than a lying Tory propaganda rag.

How can the Guardian keep their site free with a readership of skint lefties?

By offshoring their turnover so as to protect it from Corporation tax,
of course.

You did know that, yes?

Lefties in a tax dodge? Who’da thunk it?

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On 21/06/2023 11:39 am, swldx...@gmail.com...

...pretending only to answer his own posts, said:

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 10:07:17 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

...pretending only to answer his own posts, said:

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 6:18:39 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

Pay per view so no text available - sorry.

Torygraph's gammon readers must be dying off and the young do not read that far right trash.

So far, it appears that all you need to do to get around it is to delete all the cookies that have the word 'telegraph' in them. In Chrome, these are easily accessed from the Settings / Advanced Settings / Content Settings / All Cookies and Site Data

menu. This speedily restores the site and no need to pay.

Of course, this won't magically make it anything other than a lying Tory propaganda rag.

How can the Guardian keep their site free with a readership of skint lefties?

By offshoring their turnover so as to protect it from Corporation tax,
of course.

You did know that, yes?

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Found the text on MSN:

Dangerous drivers will face longer jail sentences if they kill cyclists, according to new rules for judges.

The Sentencing Council, which provides guidance for judges, has deemed that knocking over and killing a cyclist will be a prime “aggravating factor” if a motorist is convicted of causing death by dangerous driving.

The new guidelines follow the Government’s decision to increase the maximum sentence for causing death by dangerous driving from 14 years in jail to life imprisonment, and a five-year, rather than two-year, driving ban.

It comes as the Highway Code has been toughened to place greater responsibility on motorists to protect cyclists and pedestrians from accidents under a new “hierarchy of road users” based on those most at risk in a collision.

Cyclists are classed as “vulnerable road users” in the new sentencing guidelines along with pedestrians, horse riders and motorcyclists. Any motorist who causes their death by dangerous driving can expect extra time in jail.

It is one of 10 “aggravating factors” that judges have to take into account when sentencing a convicted offender.

Others include having passengers in a vehicle including children, causing serious injury to one or more victims in addition to the death, placing the blame wrongly on others and failing to stop or hindering attempts to assist at the scene of the accident.

Being a heavy goods driver, driving for commercial purposes or having a poorly maintained vehicle will also be treated as “aggravating” factors meriting longer sentences.

The Government increased the maximum jail terms for dangerous driving after complaints from victims’ families at “lenient” decisions.

One of the most high-profile cases involved Claire Hitier-Abadie, 36, a mother of two who was killed when lorry driver Alan Warwick collided with her as she cycled at a busy junction in London.

Warwick was preoccupied with tidying his cab and failed to indicate left when his lorry crushed her to death.

He escaped jail and was instead sentenced to 160 hours unpaid work, as well as banned from driving for 12 months.

There was a similar outcry after a professional driver, Raymond Treharne, 73, received only a nine-month suspended sentence after killing father of two, David Jones, 41 when he hit him on his bike from behind.

The latest Department for Transport figures show that the number of cyclists who died on Britain’s roads was 111 in 2021, an average of two a week. A further 84 were seriously injured on average each week.

Almost half (46 per cent) of cyclists’ deaths were the result of collisions between a car and a bicycle, with more than half (56 per cent) on rural roads, compared with 29 per cent in traffic. More than eight in 10 (82 per cent) of cyclists killed or
seriously injured were male.

The most common reason for cyclists dying or being injured in collisions with a car was because the “driver or rider failed to look properly”.

Sarah McMonagle, Cycling UK external affairs director said: “Longer sentences, including life, are needed in some fatal dangerous driving cases. However, in other cases of careless and dangerous driving, lengthy driving bans are also desperately needed
- these will act as a deterrent and therefore help protect the public.

“There’s also a real problem with how our road traffic laws operate, with little consistency around what’s treated as ‘careless driving’ or the more serious ‘dangerous driving’ offence. The whole framework for road traffic offences needs to
be looked at and reconsidered – a promise made by the government back in 2014, and since then, kicked into the long grass by successive Ministers. Victims have been waiting for this review of our road traffic laws for nine years. It’s high time the
government delivered.”

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