• 'Idiotic' drink-driving off-duty paramedic jailed for killing a cyclist

    From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 21 08:39:32 2023
    An 'idiotic' drink-driving paramedic jailed for killing a cyclist after downing 10 pints of Guinness has escaped being struck off.

    Robert Woodruff has been allowed to keep his medical licence despite recklessly getting behind the wheel to gatecrash a female colleague's barbecue while off duty, killing Richard Goodwin, 56.

    Veteran NHS paramedic Woodruff had been looking at his phone when he veered across the wrong side of the road and slammed into the father-of-five, in a 'catastrophic' collision.

    Last year Woodruff, of Withernsea, East Yorkshire - who was then 36, was jailed for five years and four months, with a judge slamming him for causing 'unimaginable grief' to Mr Goodwin's family.

    But now, at a Health and Care Professions Tribunal, a panel has allowed him to keep his licence - suspending him for 12 months rather than striking him off, meaning Woodruff could return as a medic after serving his prison sentence.

    Although admitted he never wanted to return as a frontline paramedic, Woodruff does hope to take on a 'health and safety role in the offshore industry', when released from jail.

    The HCPTS panel said it is not their job to 'punish' and that before the incident he 'dedicated his life to saving lives and not to wrecking them'.

    Woodruff, from Yorkshire Ambulance Service, had been out drinking during the day on June 26, 2021, in Withernsea and downed 10 pints of Guinness.

    During the evening, he decided to go to a barbecue at the home of a female paramedic despite not being invited and defied his wife's pleas not to get in a car, in what was described in court as a 'monumental lapse of judgement'.

    In a 'totally unfit state' he then tried to drive his Nissan the seven miles and was in a 'hurry' so 'aggressively' tailgated another car as he tore down the road at dangerous speeds.

    Mr Goodwin, a property developer, was dressed correctly and cycling correctly on the other side of the road and is thought to have died instantly when Woodruff ploughed into him.

    The 56-year-old was carried about 230ft on the bonnet of the car before his horrifically injured body was found in undergrowth. He died at the scene.

    A roadside breath test subsequently revealed Woodruff was more than double the drink drive limit, having earlier ignored requests from his wife not to drive home.

    When Woodruff was jailed, it was heard 'the effects of that collision were catastrophic in their brutality' and Mr Goodwin suffered 'traumatic and catastrophic injuries'.

    As well as being jailed, Woodruff was banned from driving for seven years and eight months.

    At his latest HCPTS disciplinary hearing, Woodruff said he was 'not providing a defence to anything he had done' but said he was 'passionate about helping and caring for the public'.

    A tribunal report said: 'He said he believed in rehabilitation and allowing people another chance and that he had support from family, friends and the local community, who are keen for him to keep his registration as a paramedic.

    'He said that his references show that he is an excellent paramedic, as was supported by the Judge's sentencing remarks.

    'He referred to his [barrister's] comment about how he has "dedicated his life to saving lives and not wrecking them".

    'He said the criminal charge was not a true reflection of who he is as a person and as a professional.'

    Woodruff said: '[I am] sincerely remorseful for everything I have done and the wider impact it has, on the family and also the public and everyone I served for.'

    Concluding, the panel said: 'The offence of causing death by dangerous driving is very serious. The outcome all too painfully obvious.'

    The panel decided to suspend him for 12 months rather than strike him off.

    The panel said: 'There is no doubting the seriousness of the conviction in this case. However, as referred to above, it is not this panel's role to punish Woodruff for a second time, but rather to ensure public confidence is maintained in the paramedic
    profession and [its regulator].

    'It is clear that his appalling behaviour must be marked so as to send out a message to him, the profession and the public about how seriously the panel views this conduct.

    'However, in light of the specific circumstances of this case and the mitigation provided, the panel did not consider his conduct to be fundamentally incompatible with continued registration.

    'He had demonstrated significant insight and was clearly willing, and had taken active steps to, resolve matters.

    'Although it would be some time before he had completed his prison sentence, and thus be in a position to resume his practice, the panel did not consider it necessary to remove him from the Register.'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12218487/Drink-driving-paramedic-jailed-killing-cyclist-downing-10-pints-escapes-struck-off.html

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Wed Jun 21 16:53:12 2023
    On 21/06/2023 04:39 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

    TEN PINTS?

    What did he think he was driving?

    A chav-bike?

    An 'idiotic' drink-driving paramedic jailed for killing a cyclist after downing 10 pints of Guinness has escaped being struck off.
    Robert Woodruff has been allowed to keep his medical licence despite recklessly getting behind the wheel to gatecrash a female colleague's barbecue while off duty, killing Richard Goodwin, 56.

    Who would have benefited from his being banned from doing medical work
    after his release?

    Other than vindictive chav-cyclist pundits, I mean.

    Veteran NHS paramedic Woodruff had been looking at his phone when he veered across the wrong side of the road and slammed into the father-of-five, in a 'catastrophic' collision.
    Last year Woodruff, of Withernsea, East Yorkshire - who was then 36, was jailed for five years and four months, with a judge slamming him for causing 'unimaginable grief' to Mr Goodwin's family.
    But now, at a Health and Care Professions Tribunal, a panel has allowed him to keep his licence - suspending him for 12 months rather than striking him off, meaning Woodruff could return as a medic after serving his prison sentence.

    And why not?

    Although admitted he never wanted to return as a frontline paramedic, Woodruff does hope to take on a 'health and safety role in the offshore industry', when released from jail.
    The HCPTS panel said it is not their job to 'punish' and that before the incident he 'dedicated his life to saving lives and not to wrecking them'.
    Woodruff, from Yorkshire Ambulance Service, had been out drinking during the day on June 26, 2021, in Withernsea and downed 10 pints of Guinness.
    During the evening, he decided to go to a barbecue at the home of a female paramedic despite not being invited and defied his wife's pleas not to get in a car, in what was described in court as a 'monumental lapse of judgement'.
    In a 'totally unfit state' he then tried to drive his Nissan the seven miles and was in a 'hurry' so 'aggressively' tailgated another car as he tore down the road at dangerous speeds.
    Mr Goodwin, a property developer, was dressed correctly and cycling correctly on the other side of the road and is thought to have died instantly when Woodruff ploughed into him.
    The 56-year-old was carried about 230ft on the bonnet of the car before his horrifically injured body was found in undergrowth. He died at the scene.
    A roadside breath test subsequently revealed Woodruff was more than double the drink drive limit, having earlier ignored requests from his wife not to drive home.
    When Woodruff was jailed, it was heard 'the effects of that collision were catastrophic in their brutality' and Mr Goodwin suffered 'traumatic and catastrophic injuries'.
    As well as being jailed, Woodruff was banned from driving for seven years and eight months.
    At his latest HCPTS disciplinary hearing, Woodruff said he was 'not providing a defence to anything he had done' but said he was 'passionate about helping and caring for the public'.
    A tribunal report said: 'He said he believed in rehabilitation and allowing people another chance and that he had support from family, friends and the local community, who are keen for him to keep his registration as a paramedic.
    'He said that his references show that he is an excellent paramedic, as was supported by the Judge's sentencing remarks.
    'He referred to his [barrister's] comment about how he has "dedicated his life to saving lives and not wrecking them".
    'He said the criminal charge was not a true reflection of who he is as a person and as a professional.'
    Woodruff said: '[I am] sincerely remorseful for everything I have done and the wider impact it has, on the family and also the public and everyone I served for.'
    Concluding, the panel said: 'The offence of causing death by dangerous driving is very serious. The outcome all too painfully obvious.'
    The panel decided to suspend him for 12 months rather than strike him off. The panel said: 'There is no doubting the seriousness of the conviction in this case. However, as referred to above, it is not this panel's role to punish Woodruff for a second time, but rather to ensure public confidence is maintained in the paramedic
    profession and [its regulator].
    'It is clear that his appalling behaviour must be marked so as to send out a message to him, the profession and the public about how seriously the panel views this conduct.
    'However, in light of the specific circumstances of this case and the mitigation provided, the panel did not consider his conduct to be fundamentally incompatible with continued registration.
    'He had demonstrated significant insight and was clearly willing, and had taken active steps to, resolve matters.
    'Although it would be some time before he had completed his prison sentence, and thus be in a position to resume his practice, the panel did not consider it necessary to remove him from the Register.'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12218487/Drink-driving-paramedic-jailed-killing-cyclist-downing-10-pints-escapes-struck-off.html

    A very sensible decision. It's not as though the UK is awash with
    dedicated and skilled medical staff, is it?

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 21 09:34:55 2023
    Ontheromanwall, Rome, United Kingdom, about 4 hours ago

    Absolutely incredible that a convicted killer will be out in two and a half years and the treating patients!!! Only in broken Britain.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Wed Jun 21 17:39:05 2023
    On 21/06/2023 05:34 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

    Ontheromanwall, Rome, United Kingdom, about 4 hours ago

    Absolutely incredible that a convicted killer will be out in two and a half years and the treating patients!!! Only in broken Britain.

    So if you need urgent treatment and the only medic available has a past conviction (for something completely unrelated to their work as medical personnel), you'd rather be left to die.

    So... why not have that message in an appropriate emergency warning
    locket, worn all the time?

    Or even perhaps tattooed on the soles of your feet?

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 21 09:46:39 2023
    QUOTE: Although admitted he never wanted to return as a frontline paramedic, Woodruff does hope to take on a 'health and safety role in the offshore industry', when released from jail. ENDS

    Hopefully he will fall into the North Sea and do us all a favour.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Wed Jun 21 17:13:05 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer2022@gmail.com> wrote:
    QUOTE: Although admitted he never wanted to return as a frontline
    paramedic, Woodruff does hope to take on a 'health and safety role in the offshore industry', when released from jail. ENDS

    Hopefully he will fall into the North Sea and do us all a favour.

    No comment necessary…

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 21 10:27:03 2023
    chrisonatrike | 5857 posts | 3 min ago
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    I'm not sure whether he should practice again but surely we should give serious consideration to him never driving again?

    Unfortunately that sets up a familiar dilemma. He's clearly behaved in a way pretty incompatible with due care for others. Incredibly selfishly and FWIW as a 36-year old - he's not 16. But comes the cry "but we need doctors!" Shortly followed by "Oh,
    now he can practice again we must let the medics travel to save lives / reach patients!".

    Currently I struggle imagine society / the law getting their heads round "you have a high-status responsible job" with "...but you're not allowed to drive".

    Note: social status / job status is important here. Consider - would we really give e.g. a carer this kind of latitude? Yet they can be doing life-critical work.

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Wed Jun 21 10:18:21 2023
    On Wednesday, 21 June 2023 at 17:34:58 UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
    Ontheromanwall, Rome, United Kingdom, about 4 hours ago

    Absolutely incredible that a convicted killer will be out in two and a half years and the treating patients!!! Only in broken Britain.

    Now reported on road.cc

    https://road.cc/content/news/paramedic-who-killed-cyclist-avoids-being-struck-302033

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Wed Jun 21 11:51:38 2023
    On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 5:46:41 PM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
    QUOTE: Although admitted he never wanted to return as a frontline paramedic, Woodruff does hope to take on a 'health and safety role in the offshore industry', when released from jail. ENDS

    Hopefully he will fall into the North Sea and do us all a favour.

    MAYBE I WAS A LITTLE LENIENT!

    dubwise | 95 posts | 21 min ago
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    Other people have lost their jobs for far less crimes.
    This scumbag should never be allowed to continue in this profession.
    I hope Woodruff dies a slow agonising death.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Wed Jun 21 20:49:24 2023
    swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 5:46:41 PM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
    QUOTE: Although admitted he never wanted to return as a frontline
    paramedic, Woodruff does hope to take on a 'health and safety role in
    the offshore industry', when released from jail. ENDS

    Hopefully he will fall into the North Sea and do us all a favour.

    MAYBE I WAS A LITTLE LENIENT!

    dubwise | 95 posts | 21 min ago
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    Other people have lost their jobs for far less crimes.
    This scumbag should never be allowed to continue in this profession.
    I hope Woodruff dies a slow agonising death.

    It’s not hard to fathom why this post has zero likes.

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 21 13:59:55 2023
    AlsoSomniloquism replied to dubwise | 4205 posts | 1 hour ago
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    He has lost his 'current' job as he has been jailed for five years so won't be earning. The report above has just stated that the board in charge of his licence to be a paramedic have decided not to revoke that from him. Of course whether he can get a
    job as a paramedic once out of prison will be down to the places he applies to, if he even applies again.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Thu Jun 22 01:34:17 2023
    On 21/06/2023 05:46 pm, Simon Mason wrote:

    QUOTE: Although admitted he never wanted to return as a frontline paramedic, Woodruff does hope to take on a 'health and safety role in the offshore industry', when released from jail. ENDS

    Hopefully he will fall into the North Sea and do us all a favour.

    Perhaps he'll fall off a bridge?

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Thu Jun 22 01:37:15 2023
    On 21/06/2023 06:27 pm, Simon Mason wrote:

    chrisonatrike | 5857 posts | 3 min ago
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    I'm not sure whether he should practice again but surely we should give serious consideration to him never driving again?

    Unfortunately that sets up a familiar dilemma. He's clearly behaved in a way pretty incompatible with due care for others. Incredibly selfishly and FWIW as a 36-year old - he's not 16. But comes the cry "but we need doctors!" Shortly followed by "
    Oh, now he can practice again we must let the medics travel to save lives / reach patients!".

    Do you know how to spell and pronounce "vindictive"?

    Currently I struggle imagine society / the law getting their heads round "you have a high-status responsible job" with "...but you're not allowed to drive".

    Well, you wouldn't be allowed to drive if you'd never learned (not that
    it stops a lot of totally-unqualified chav-cyclists from impersonating
    drivers, of course).

    Note: social status / job status is important here. Consider - would we really give e.g. a carer this kind of latitude? Yet they can be doing life-critical work.

    You believe that night-shift cleaning operatives are of the highest socio-economic status, don't you?

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 22 01:39:29 2023
    On 21/06/2023 07:51 pm, swldx...@gmail.com...

    ... deceitfully pretending to answer his own posts mad under a different
    ID, said:

    On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 5:46:41 PM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:

    QUOTE: Although admitted he never wanted to return as a frontline paramedic, Woodruff does hope to take on a 'health and safety role in the offshore industry', when released from jail. ENDS
    Hopefully he will fall into the North Sea and do us all a favour.

    MAYBE I WAS A LITTLE LENIENT!

    MAYBE YOU'RE A LITTLE TURD !

    On immediate reflection, that's more likely.

    dubwise | 95 posts | 21 min ago
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    Other people have lost their jobs for far less crimes.
    This scumbag should never be allowed to continue in this profession.

    Why not?

    I hope Woodruff dies a slow agonising death.

    Yes... little turd. That's you.

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 21 21:53:31 2023
    muhasib | 239 posts | 5 hours ago
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    The only way I would wish this individual to contribute to society as a paramedic again would be as a cycle responder; could the Tribunal have recommended this as the sole outcome to keeping his registration and indeed encourage Mr Woodruff to pursue as
    a practical demonstration of rehabilitation being more than just his platitudes spoken to the Tribunal?

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Thu Jun 22 07:23:15 2023
    swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    muhasib | 239 posts | 5 hours ago
    0 likes

    The only way I would wish this individual to contribute to society as a paramedic again would be as a cycle responder; could the Tribunal have recommended this as the sole outcome to keeping his registration and
    indeed encourage Mr Woodruff to pursue as a practical demonstration of rehabilitation being more than just his platitudes spoken to the Tribunal?

    I wonder why this post had zero likes…not…

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 22 01:58:33 2023
    EraserBike | 13 posts | 1 hour ago
    1 like

    Common theme in a lot of these stories is a Judge who seems like they're passing a sentence reluctantly and talk about how the killer is a really great guy who just had a bad day. No. This man probably drove drunk regularly and in the end he killed
    someone. Should be done for manslaughter and put away for a much longer time, never allowed to drive again and certainly not given a chance for a respected career. Judges in this country are a sick joke.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Thu Jun 22 11:53:28 2023
    swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    EraserBike | 13 posts | 1 hour ago
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    Common theme in a lot of these stories is a Judge who seems like they're passing a sentence reluctantly and talk about how the killer is a really great guy who just had a bad day. No. This man probably drove drunk
    regularly and in the end he killed someone. Should be done for
    manslaughter and put away for a much longer time, never allowed to drive again and certainly not given a chance for a respected career. Judges in
    this country are a sick joke.

    Piling supposition on supposition is a simple way of getting the answer you want.

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 22 06:01:49 2023
    He killed somone, while the sentence is significant at five years (in comparison to the usual slap on the wrist).. he should NEVER be allowed to hold a driving licence again. Owning a licence to drive a motor vehicle is a privilege not a right.

    The panel ... said pre-incident Woodruff had "dedicated his life to saving lives and not to wrecking them".

    So did Harold Shipman (presumably).

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Thu Jun 22 14:36:21 2023
    On 22/06/2023 05:53 am, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

    muhasib | 239 posts | 5 hours ago
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    The only way I would wish this individual to contribute to society as a paramedic again would be as a cycle responder;

    That doesn't matter in the slightest. The decision(s) will not be yours
    to make.

    Does that irritate you?

    could the Tribunal have recommended this as the sole outcome to keeping his registration and indeed encourage Mr Woodruff to pursue as a practical demonstration of rehabilitation being more than just his platitudes spoken to the Tribunal?

    Why should they have done so?

    What business of theirs (let alone yours) would it be?

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Thu Jun 22 13:29:21 2023
    swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    He killed somone, while the sentence is significant at five years (in comparison to the usual slap on the wrist).. he should NEVER be allowed
    to hold a driving licence again. Owning a licence to drive a motor
    vehicle is a privilege not a right.

    The panel ... said pre-incident Woodruff had "dedicated his life to saving lives and not to wrecking them".

    So did Harold Shipman (presumably).

    Very revealing that you conflate (look it up) a tragic one-off error with a psychotic killing spree. Have you stopped (dreadful word for a cyclist) to think what drove (dreadful word for a cyclist) you to do that?

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Thu Jun 22 14:37:50 2023
    On 22/06/2023 09:58 am, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

    EraserBike | 13 posts | 1 hour ago
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    Common theme in a lot of these stories is a Judge who seems like they're passing a sentence reluctantly and talk about how the killer is a really great guy who just had a bad day. No. This man probably drove drunk regularly and in the end he killed
    someone. Should be done for manslaughter and put away for a much longer time, never allowed to drive again and certainly not given a chance for a respected career. Judges in this country are a sick joke.

    Do people often remind you that you're a vindictive idiot?

    They ought to.

    Nice screen name. It makes it clear what you would like to do to
    pedestrians with the temerity to get in your way on the footway.

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 22 08:35:25 2023
    Agreed. There's no reason why rehabilitation can't work for all but a tiny number, provided the resources are available.

    However, like millions of others, he can still contribute to society without ever having a driving licence again. Lifetime ban please.

    And I'd like to see him make a public information video about the life he ended and the consequences both for him and for the victim's family. It should be shown to every driver found to have been dicking about with a phone while driving (and their phone
    to be smashed to pieces).

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Thu Jun 22 16:28:31 2023
    swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    Agreed. There's no reason why rehabilitation can't work for all but a
    tiny number, provided the resources are available.

    However, like millions of others, he can still contribute to society
    without ever having a driving licence again. Lifetime ban please.

    And I'd like to see him make a public information video about the life he ended and the consequences both for him and for the victim's family. It should be shown to every driver found to have been dicking about with a
    phone while driving (and their phone to be smashed to pieces).

    “Lifetime ban”
    “make a public information video”
    “shown to every driver”
    “phone to be smashed to pieces”

    Be careful about what you wish for, because the same might be visited upon cyclists at some point in the future.

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 22 09:36:11 2023
    QUOTE: every driver found to have been dicking about with a phone while driving (and their phone to be smashed to pieces). ENDS

    That's a driver's trick when they try and destroy evidence - usually in vain.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Thu Jun 22 18:32:39 2023
    On 22/06/2023 04:35 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

    Agreed. There's no reason why rehabilitation can't work for all but a tiny number, provided the resources are available.

    However, like millions of others, he can still contribute to society without ever having a driving licence again. Lifetime ban please.

    Which provision, of which Act of Parliament?

    A proper answer, please - or you are an idiot.

    Oh... hang on...

    And I'd like to see him make a public information video about the life he ended and the consequences both for him and for the victim's family. It should be shown to every driver found to have been dicking about with a phone while driving (and their
    phone to be smashed to pieces).

    See above.

    And I'm sure you'll agree that it'd be a good idea to crush the
    fairy-bikes of chavs who ride them on footways or through red traffic
    lights. No if, buts or maybes...

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Thu Jun 22 10:41:13 2023
    On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 5:36:12 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
    QUOTE: every driver found to have been dicking about with a phone while driving (and their phone to be smashed to pieces). ENDS

    That's a driver's trick when they try and destroy evidence - usually in vain.

    The last one who tried it - the phone was reconstructed and the driver convicted.

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 22 10:53:37 2023
    40 min ago

    That car landed in my best mates garden, it could have easily crashed into his house or hit him as he sat outside as he often did - luckily a tree stopped him but not before that poor man lost his life! That stretch of road is straight, even if you tried
    you'd struggle to go over a side ditch, straighten up and then fly over a 5/6ft wide drain, so he must have being doing well over 100mph. He should never be allowed behind the wheel again!

    https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/paramedic-who-downed-10-pints-8543769#comments-wrapper

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Thu Jun 22 11:36:26 2023
    On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 6:41:14 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 5:36:12 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
    QUOTE: every driver found to have been dicking about with a phone while driving (and their phone to be smashed to pieces). ENDS

    That's a driver's trick when they try and destroy evidence - usually in vain.
    The last one who tried it - the phone was reconstructed and the driver convicted.

    A lorry driver who ploughed into a broken-down car killing three people moments after watching a seven-minute Ladbible video and while typing on a sat-nav app on his mobile phone has been jailed for 12 years.

    Michal Kopaniarz previously pleaded guilty to three charges of causing death by dangerous driving in connection with the four-vehicle crash on the A303 near Andover, Hampshire, on August 25, 2021.

    The 39-year-old also admitted perverting the course of justice by breaking the Samsung mobile phone he had been using.

    University graduate Alex Britton, 28, food delivery driver Tina Ince, 58, and recovery driver Tom Watson, 30, died of “catastrophic injuries”.

    Simon Jones, prosecuting, told Winchester Crown Court that Ms Britton’s Vauxhall Astra had broken down and Ms Ince, from Southampton, had stopped in her Mercedes Sprinter food delivery van to help her.

    Recovery driver Mr Watson also stopped when he saw the stationary vehicles still partly in the carriageway.

    He was about to winch the Astra on to his recovery vehicle when the defendant’s HGV, travelling at 56mph, ploughed into the rear of the food van which had its hazard lights on.

    This shunted the Mercedes into the Astra killing the three victims who were stood between the vehicles, Mr Jones said.

    The prosecutor said that Kopaniarz had watched a seven minute-long Ladbible video from Facebook on his phone which he had gone on to share with a woman on Facebook Messenger 42 seconds prior to the collision.

    And at the point of impact, the defendant had been typing the destination for his journey, a Co-op water bottle depot in Andover, into a mapping app.

    The defendant continued driving at 56mph when the collision happened and he only applied emergency braking at about 0.2 to 0.5 seconds or nine to 12 metres before impact despite having a clear view of the vehicles for 170m.

    The court was shown dash-cam footage from Kopaniarz’s lorry as it drove towards the halted traffic and failed to slow down before the collision.

    Following the crash, Kopaniarz was captured on dash-cam footage snapping his Samsung phone into two pieces which police later rebuilt to obtain the data from it.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Thu Jun 22 18:41:54 2023
    You’ve posted this story (or very close versions of it) some four times
    now.

    What are you trying to deflect attention from?

    As if we couldn’t guess…


    swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

    A lorry driver who ploughed into a broken-down car killing three people moments after watching a seven-minute Ladbible video and while typing on
    a sat-nav app on his mobile phone has been jailed for 12 years.

    Michal Kopaniarz previously pleaded guilty to three charges of causing
    death by dangerous driving in connection with the four-vehicle crash on
    the A303 near Andover, Hampshire, on August 25, 2021.

    The 39-year-old also admitted perverting the course of justice by
    breaking the Samsung mobile phone he had been using.

    University graduate Alex Britton, 28, food delivery driver Tina Ince, 58,
    and recovery driver Tom Watson, 30, died of “catastrophic injuries”.

    Simon Jones, prosecuting, told Winchester Crown Court that Ms Britton’s Vauxhall Astra had broken down and Ms Ince, from Southampton, had stopped
    in her Mercedes Sprinter food delivery van to help her.

    Recovery driver Mr Watson also stopped when he saw the stationary
    vehicles still partly in the carriageway.

    He was about to winch the Astra on to his recovery vehicle when the defendant’s HGV, travelling at 56mph, ploughed into the rear of the food van which had its hazard lights on.

    This shunted the Mercedes into the Astra killing the three victims who
    were stood between the vehicles, Mr Jones said.

    The prosecutor said that Kopaniarz had watched a seven minute-long
    Ladbible video from Facebook on his phone which he had gone on to share
    with a woman on Facebook Messenger 42 seconds prior to the collision.

    And at the point of impact, the defendant had been typing the destination
    for his journey, a Co-op water bottle depot in Andover, into a mapping app.

    The defendant continued driving at 56mph when the collision happened and
    he only applied emergency braking at about 0.2 to 0.5 seconds or nine to
    12 metres before impact despite having a clear view of the vehicles for 170m.

    The court was shown dash-cam footage from Kopaniarz’s lorry as it drove towards the halted traffic and failed to slow down before the collision.

    Following the crash, Kopaniarz was captured on dash-cam footage snapping
    his Samsung phone into two pieces which police later rebuilt to obtain the data from it.




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    Spike

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 22 12:09:26 2023
    Disgusting !! Wtf is this country coming to ?? Taking a life whilst Drink driving should be classed as MURDER.

    23 min ago

    Said that for a long time. You should be made to sign a declaration when passing your test that drink driving and dangerous driving you pay with a proper sentence.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Spike on Thu Jun 22 21:45:31 2023
    Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote:
    swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    Disgusting !! Wtf is this country coming to ?? Taking a life whilst
    Drink driving should be classed as MURDER.

    23 min ago

    Said that for a long time. You should be made to sign a declaration when
    passing your test that drink driving and dangerous driving you pay with
    a proper sentence.

    What’s your take on giving drunken killer cyclists proper sentences?

    Or, for that matter, sober killer cyclists and proper sentences?

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Thu Jun 22 21:36:50 2023
    swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    Disgusting !! Wtf is this country coming to ?? Taking a life whilst
    Drink driving should be classed as MURDER.

    23 min ago

    Said that for a long time. You should be made to sign a declaration when passing your test that drink driving and dangerous driving you pay with a proper sentence.

    What’s your take on giving drunken killer cyclists proper sentences?

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    Spike

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 22 22:38:49 2023
    Let's work this out 5 years 4 month for murder? MMM? Half that? 2 years 8 months Big MMM?. Deffo got tagging as in a cat D prison? That's means probably done about 20 months prison for murder?? But the guy 5 kids all got life sentence? Because got no
    dad now. And Mr murderer off bk work as if nothing happened . He drunk 10 pints because was stressed out? Don't no what this silly country coming too?

    All because he wanted to go see his mistress, 2 families suffering here and he gets the option to go back to work as normal, but how can he do that with no driving licence and a criminal record that should be classed as murder

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Fri Jun 23 10:32:16 2023
    On 23/06/2023 06:38 am, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

    Let's work this out 5 years 4 month for murder?

    Did the CPS authorise a charge of murder?

    Did the paramedic plead guilty to it or was there a trial (ask an adult
    what all that means)?

    MMM?

    "3,000"?

    What are you on about?

    Half that? 2 years 8 months Big MMM?.

    Definitely not 3,000 years or months.

    Not even for your imaginary charge of "murder".

    Deffo got tagging as in a cat D prison?

    Beat The Clock game revived?

    That's means probably done about 20 months prison for murder??

    See above re actions of CPS.

    But the guy 5 kids all got life sentence? Because got no dad now. And Mr murderer

    You might "think" you're safe there, but even convicted drink-drivers
    have rights under the law.

    off bk work as if nothing happened . He drunk 10 pints because was stressed out? Don't no what this silly country coming too?

    A good question. It's sunk so far that a few people "think" that
    chav-cycling is an acceptable "choice" to foist upon a very reluctant
    general public.

    All because he wanted to go see his mistress, 2 families suffering here and he gets the option to go back to work as normal, but how can he do that with no driving licence and a criminal record that should be classed as murder

    Have you asked the CPS and your brother trial judge about that, M'Lud?

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Fri Jun 23 02:36:02 2023
    On Friday, 23 June 2023 at 06:38:50 UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
    Let's work this out 5 years 4 month for murder? MMM? Half that? 2 years 8 months Big MMM?. Deffo got tagging as in a cat D prison? That's means probably done about 20 months prison for murder?? But the guy 5 kids all got life sentence? Because got no
    dad now. And Mr murderer off bk work as if nothing happened . He drunk 10 pints because was stressed out? Don't no what this silly country coming too?

    All because he wanted to go see his mistress, 2 families suffering here and he gets the option to go back to work as normal, but how can he do that with no driving licence and a criminal record that should be classed as murder

    He was clocked at 100mph by the crash investigators - while pissed up.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 23 10:46:28 2023
    On 23/06/2023 10:36 am, Simon Mason...

    ... pretending to be two people and to answer only his own posts (under
    either name):

    On Friday, 23 June 2023 at 06:38:50 UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

    Let's work this out 5 years 4 month for murder? MMM? Half that? 2 years 8 months Big MMM?. Deffo got tagging as in a cat D prison? That's means probably done about 20 months prison for murder?? But the guy 5 kids all got life sentence? Because got no
    dad now. And Mr murderer off bk work as if nothing happened . He drunk 10 pints because was stressed out? Don't no what this silly country coming too?
    All because he wanted to go see his mistress, 2 families suffering here and he gets the option to go back to work as normal, but how can he do that with no driving licence and a criminal record that should be classed as murder

    He was clocked at 100mph by the crash investigators - while pissed up.

    "Clocked" AFTER the event?

    They have a time machine, then?

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Fri Jun 23 03:25:30 2023
    On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 10:36:03 AM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
    On Friday, 23 June 2023 at 06:38:50 UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
    Let's work this out 5 years 4 month for murder? MMM? Half that? 2 years 8 months Big MMM?. Deffo got tagging as in a cat D prison? That's means probably done about 20 months prison for murder?? But the guy 5 kids all got life sentence? Because got no
    dad now. And Mr murderer off bk work as if nothing happened . He drunk 10 pints because was stressed out? Don't no what this silly country coming too?

    All because he wanted to go see his mistress, 2 families suffering here and he gets the option to go back to work as normal, but how can he do that with no driving licence and a criminal record that should be classed as murder
    He was clocked at 100mph by the crash investigators - while pissed up.

    paulittecc2, durham, United Kingdom, 11 months ago

    He has a wife but was driving to see his girlfriend. Poor wife. I feel so much for the innocent family involved. My heart goes out to them.

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