Next week sees the FIFTEENTH anniversary of the passing of the cyclist hater's precious cause célèbre, "Rhiannon".
StripeyKnickersSpottySocks · 12/07/2008 17:08
I read he was on the road when he hit her, also the story I read last
week made me think there was more to it than in this one. It hinted that there was a group of them on the pavement and in the road, drinking
alcohol and not moving. I did wonder if they were almost playing chicken
and thinking it was funny to make the cyclist move further out into the
road. While he could and should have done one of her group said she had plenty of time to get out the way and didn't.
StripeyKnickersSpottySocks · 12/07/2008 17:08they were almost playing chicken and thinking it was funny to make the cyclist move further out into the road. While he could and should have done one of her group said she had plenty of time to get out the way and didn't.
I read he was on the road when he hit her, also the story I read last week made me think there was more to it than in this one. It hinted that there was a group of them on the pavement and in the road, drinking alcohol and not moving. I did wonder if
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 7:29:39 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
StripeyKnickersSpottySocks · 12/07/2008 17:08
I read he was on the road when he hit her, also the story I read last
week made me think there was more to it than in this one. It hinted that
there was a group of them on the pavement and in the road, drinking
alcohol and not moving. I did wonder if they were almost playing chicken
and thinking it was funny to make the cyclist move further out into the
road. While he could and should have done one of her group said she had
plenty of time to get out the way and didn't.
Boozed up teenagers playing silly buggers with live traffic on a public
road - what could possibly go wrong?
QUOTE: The Conservative MP said: "Imagine if a motorist had mounted the pavement and killed a schoolgirl as she chatted to her friends.
"The motorist would have felt the full force of the law and there would
have been a national outcry if such a person had walked away with a fine." ENDS
Bugger all would have happened - blinded by the Sun - no fine.
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QUOTE: The Conservative MP said: "Imagine if a motorist had mounted the
pavement and killed a schoolgirl as she chatted to her friends.
"The motorist would have felt the full force of the law and there would
have been a national outcry if such a person had walked away with a fine." ENDS
Bugger all would have happened - blinded by the Sun - no fine.
“Howard, of Buckingham, Buckinghamshire, hit Rhiannon as she walked with friends in Buckingham in April last year.
He shouted at the youngsters to "move, because I'm not stopping" but rode into Rhiannon, Aylesbury Magistrates Court heard.
The court heard that he could have swerved to avoid the girl but told
police he thought a shout would be enough to avoid the collision.”
StripeyKnickersSpottySocks · 12/07/2008 17:08they were almost playing chicken and thinking it was funny to make the cyclist move further out into the road. While he could and should have done one of her group said she had plenty of time to get out the way and didn't.
I read he was on the road when he hit her, also the story I read last week made me think there was more to it than in this one. It hinted that there was a group of them on the pavement and in the road, drinking alcohol and not moving. I did wonder if
‘Death by dangerous cycling’ Bill looks doomed.
In April 2011, the Guardian ran a ‘Comment is Free’ article, voicing the concern of cycling groups about the proposed law. The main objection
boiled down to the fact that pedestrian deaths from cyclists are so incredibly rare that the law would be both a near-irrelevance and a distraction from the greater peril posed to pedestrians (and other road users) from motor vehicles.
‘Death by dangerous cycling’ Bill looks doomed.maximum penalty of £2,500, with no possibility of a prison sentence.
While Andrea Leadsom MP vows to carry on despite the Commons setback, without Government backing her Private Members Bill on causing death by dangerous cycling is unlikely to progress further, according to the Guardian’s bike blog.
Ms Leadsom’s campaign followed the death of Rhiannon Bennett who died after being struck by a cyclist.
The proposal by Ms Leadsom, the Conservative MP for South Northamptonshire, was to introduce a specific offence of causing death by dangerous cycling. Ms Leadsom argued that a new law was necessary as the current offence of dangerous cycling has a
According to the Guardian blog, Mike Penning, road safety minister, promised he would back the proposal, and the DfT confirmed it would "consider the merits" of the new law.both a near-irrelevance and a distraction from the greater peril posed to pedestrians (and other road users) from motor vehicles.
In April 2011, the Guardian ran a ‘Comment is Free’ article, voicing the concern of cycling groups about the proposed law. The main objection boiled down to the fact that pedestrian deaths from cyclists are so incredibly rare that the law would be
be both a near-irrelevance and a distraction from the greater peril posed to pedestrians (and other road users) from motor vehicles.In April 2011, the Guardian ran a ‘Comment is Free’ article, voicing the concern of cycling groups about the proposed law. The main objection boiled down to the fact that pedestrian deaths from cyclists are so incredibly rare that the law would
12 years later and no such law still exists - THAT'S how much "danger" there is.
On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 6:59:08 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com
‘Death by dangerous cycling’ Bill looks doomed.
12 years later and no such law still exists - THAT'S how much "danger" there is.
12 years later and no such law still exists - THAT'S how much "danger" there is.
In April 2011, the Guardian ran a ‘Comment is Free’ article, voicing >>> the concern of cycling groups about the proposed law. The main
objection boiled down to the fact that pedestrian deaths from cyclists
are so incredibly rare that the law would be both a near-irrelevance
and a distraction from the greater peril posed to pedestrians (and
other road users) from motor vehicles.
No plastic hats or number plates either.
QUOTE: Mr Bennett, 61, said: “Nothing has changed in the 10 years since
we lost Rhiannon and started calling for a change in the law.
“How many of the deaths since have been avoidable? ENDS
In 2021, 361 pedestrians were killed in Great Britain by motor vehicles -
so that's around 3610 avoidable pedestrian deaths in ten years.
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QUOTE: Mr Bennett, 61, said: “Nothing has changed in the 10 years since >> we lost Rhiannon and started calling for a change in the law.
“How many of the deaths since have been avoidable? ENDS
In 2021, 361 pedestrians were killed in Great Britain by motor vehicles -
so that's around 3610 avoidable pedestrian deaths in ten years.
Keeping the slaughter of Rhiannon Bennett in mind,
how many of those vehicle drivers shouted “Get out of the way, I’m not stopping” before killing a pedestrian?
QUOTE:/ Mr Bennett, 61, said: “Nothing has changed in the 10 years since we lost Rhiannon and started calling for a change in the law. /ENDS
Wrong - LOTS of things have changed in those ten years - just not things involving your pet hobby horse.
Government obviously had much more pressing matters to attend to.
Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote:
swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
QUOTE: Mr Bennett, 61, said: “Nothing has changed in the 10 years since >>> we lost Rhiannon and started calling for a change in the law.
“How many of the deaths since have been avoidable? ENDS
In 2021, 361 pedestrians were killed in Great Britain by motor vehicles - >>> so that's around 3610 avoidable pedestrian deaths in ten years.
Keeping the slaughter of Rhiannon Bennett in mind,
how many of those vehicle drivers shouted “Get out of the way, I’m not >> stopping” before killing a pedestrian?
‘Cycling and walking’ groups bang on endlessly about cycling infra and cycling deaths, while all but totally ignoring cases like that of Rhiannon Bennett and Kim Briggs.
Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote:
Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote:
swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
QUOTE: Mr Bennett, 61, said: “Nothing has changed in the 10 years since >>>> we lost Rhiannon and started calling for a change in the law.
“How many of the deaths since have been avoidable? ENDS
In 2021, 361 pedestrians were killed in Great Britain by motor vehicles - >>>> so that's around 3610 avoidable pedestrian deaths in ten years.
Keeping the slaughter of Rhiannon Bennett in mind,
how many of those vehicle drivers shouted “Get out of the way, I’m not >>> stopping” before killing a pedestrian?
‘Cycling and walking’ groups bang on endlessly about cycling infra and >> cycling deaths, while all but totally ignoring cases like that of Rhiannon >> Bennett and Kim Briggs.
One of the oft-repeated shibboleths of the cycling world is that any kind
of restriction placed on cyclists, such as helmets, hi-viz, registration, insurance, cycling tests, number plates, speed limits, traffic law
alignment and the like, is that “It might deter people from taking up cycling”, completely ignoring the obvious fact that hordes of cyclists on pavements, out of all effective legal control, might put people off
walking. But this is never mentioned, of course, cyclists being so self-entitled. It’s way past time to put a stop to this situation, and bring it under control. It could be called Rhiannon’s Law.
Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote:
‘Cycling and walking’ groups bang on endlessly about cycling infra and >> cycling deaths, while all but totally ignoring cases like that of Rhiannon >> Bennett and Kim Briggs.
One of the oft-repeated shibboleths of the cycling world is that any kind
of restriction placed on cyclists, such as helmets, hi-viz, registration, insurance, cycling tests, number plates, speed limits, traffic law
alignment and the like, is that “It might deter people from taking up cycling”, completely ignoring the obvious fact that hordes of cyclists on pavements, out of all effective legal control, might put people off
walking. But this is never mentioned, of course, cyclists being so self-entitled. It’s way past time to put a stop to this situation, and bring it under control. It could be called Rhiannon’s Law.
QUOTE: Aylesbury magistrates were told that Rhiannon had drunk "two or three" cans of lager before the collision.ENDS
What was a 17 year old doing drinking alcohol in the street?
She would have been over the limit with that amount.
QUOTE: Aylesbury magistrates were told that Rhiannon had drunk "two or three" cans of lager before the collision.ENDS
What was a 17 year old doing drinking alcohol in the street?
She would have been over the limit with that amount.
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 6:52:43 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com [the Chief Chav] wrote:
QUOTE: Aylesbury magistrates were told that Rhiannon had drunk "two or three" cans of lager before the collision.ENDS
What was a 17 year old doing drinking alcohol in the street?
She would have been over the limit with that amount.
Being over the DD limit and then playing chicken in live traffic is a disaster waiting to happen.
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 6:52:43 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
QUOTE: Aylesbury magistrates were told that Rhiannon had drunk "two or three" cans of lager before the collision.ENDS
What was a 17 year old doing drinking alcohol in the street?Being over the DD limit and then playing chicken in live traffic is a disaster waiting to happen.
She would have been over the limit with that amount.
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 6:52:43 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
QUOTE: Aylesbury magistrates were told that Rhiannon had drunk "two or
three" cans of lager before the collision.ENDS
What was a 17 year old doing drinking alcohol in the street?
She would have been over the limit with that amount.
Being over the DD limit and then playing chicken in live traffic is a disaster waiting to happen.
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 11:20:33 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 6:52:43 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote: >>> QUOTE: Aylesbury magistrates were told that Rhiannon had drunk "two or
three" cans of lager before the collision.ENDSBeing over the DD limit and then playing chicken in live traffic is a
What was a 17 year old doing drinking alcohol in the street?
She would have been over the limit with that amount.
disaster waiting to happen.
Lots of accounts of the girl thinking it was funny to force moving
traffic to veer out into the centre of the carriageway.
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 11:20:33 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 6:52:43 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote: >>> QUOTE: Aylesbury magistrates were told that Rhiannon had drunk "two or
three" cans of lager before the collision.ENDSBeing over the DD limit and then playing chicken in live traffic is a
What was a 17 year old doing drinking alcohol in the street?
She would have been over the limit with that amount.
disaster waiting to happen.
Lots of accounts of the girl thinking it was funny to force moving
traffic to veer out into the centre of the carriageway.
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 11:20:33 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com [the Chief Chav] wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 6:52:43 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com [the Chief Chav] wrote:
QUOTE: Aylesbury magistrates were told that Rhiannon had drunk "two or three" cans of lager before the collision.ENDS
What was a 17 year old doing drinking alcohol in the street?
She would have been over the limit with that amount.
Being over the DD limit and then playing chicken in live traffic is a disaster waiting to happen.
Lots of accounts of the girl thinking it was funny to force moving traffic to veer out into the centre of the carriageway.
QUOTE: Speeding cyclist ENDS
QUOTE: Jason Howard, 35, hit speeds of at least 23mph ." ENDS
Since when was 23mph "speeding" in a 30mph road?
Of course, speed limits do not apply in any case.
QUOTE: Mr Thompson said Howard maintained that Rhiannon was walking in the road when he struck her. ENDS
swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 11:20:33 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 6:52:43 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> QUOTE: Aylesbury magistrates were told that Rhiannon had drunk "two or >>>> three" cans of lager before the collision.ENDS
Being over the DD limit and then playing chicken in live traffic is a
What was a 17 year old doing drinking alcohol in the street?
She would have been over the limit with that amount.
disaster waiting to happen.
Lots of accounts of the girl thinking it was funny to force moving
traffic to veer out into the centre of the carriageway.
So let me get this right; cyclists can cycle home from the pub while
blatted out of their brains, but pedestrians can’t as they are subject to motor vehicle legislation? Where is this jurisdiction, Bedlam, Cycletopia,
or Amsterdam?
QUOTE: He pointed out people convicted of dangerous driving can be imprisoned but dangerous cycling only carries a maximum fine of £2,500.ENDS
Why don't you campaign for a change in the law - or has someone else failed in that quest?
It failed as the government does not see it as a major problem - maybe try the European courts.
Oh, you can't.
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 4:43:33 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
QUOTE: He pointed out people convicted of dangerous driving can be
imprisoned but dangerous cycling only carries a maximum fine of £2,500.ENDS >>
Why don't you campaign for a change in the law - or has someone else
failed in that quest?
It failed as the government does not see it as
a major problem - maybe try the European courts.
Oh, you can't.
Look at and study why you are not getting your wish granted.
Compare the problems.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fz4teVwXgAA8y6e?format=jpg&name=medium
QUOTE: "When this first happened, we thought we would be looking at manslaughter or murder." Mrs Bennett added: "It's a life, he should have had a prison sentence. ENDS
Now you know how the families of cyclists feel when killer drivers walk away with a suspended sentence or a paltry fine.
On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 11:28:19 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
QUOTE: "When this first happened, we thought we would be looking at
manslaughter or murder." Mrs Bennett added: "It's a life, he should have
had a prison sentence. ENDS
Now you know how the families of cyclists feel when killer drivers walk
away with a suspended sentence or a paltry fine.
ONE OF MANY:
“Why didn’t you see him?” That was the question posed in court this week
by the family of a cyclist who was struck from behind and killed by a
former HGV driver, as the motorist was handed a nine-month suspended
sentence for causing the father-of-two’s death.
41-year-old David Jones was cycling on the A48 Crack Hill in Bridgend at around 5.50am on 27 May 2020 when he was hit from behind by 74-year-old Raymond Treharne driving a 4x4 Grand Cherokee Jeep, Wales Online reports (link is external).
Jones was thrown in the air in the collision and suffered a serious head injury. He was pronounced dead at the scene.
On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 11:28:19 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:two’s death.
QUOTE: "When this first happened, we thought we would be looking at manslaughter or murder." Mrs Bennett added: "It's a life, he should have had a prison sentence. ENDS
Now you know how the families of cyclists feel when killer drivers walk away with a suspended sentence or a paltry fine.ONE OF MANY:
“Why didn’t you see him?” That was the question posed in court this week by the family of a cyclist who was struck from behind and killed by a former HGV driver, as the motorist was handed a nine-month suspended sentence for causing the father-of-
41-year-old David Jones was cycling on the A48 Crack Hill in Bridgend at around 5.50am on 27 May 2020 when he was hit from behind by 74-year-old Raymond Treharne driving a 4x4 Grand Cherokee Jeep, Wales Online reports (link is external).
Jones was thrown in the air in the collision and suffered a serious head injury. He was pronounced dead at the scene.
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