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    From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 23 05:31:32 2023
    QUOTE: “I know it’s meant to be for cyclists and pedestrians, but it’s mostly used by cars, and it’s just been made difficult, constantly loud with traffic, and an eyesore for residents.” ENDS


    WHY DON'T YOU BLAME THESE IDIOT DRIVERS THEN?

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Wed Aug 23 12:50:09 2023
    swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

    QUOTE: “I know it’s meant to be for cyclists and pedestrians, but it’s mostly used by cars, and it’s just been made difficult, constantly loud with traffic, and an eyesore for residents.” ENDS

    WHY DON'T YOU BLAME THESE IDIOT DRIVERS THEN?

    Drivers are not being blamed because they are not the cause of this
    expensive exercise in virtue signalling.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to JNugent on Wed Aug 23 15:00:22 2023
    JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
    On 23/08/2023 01:50 pm, Spike wrote:

    swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

    QUOTE: “I know it’s meant to be for cyclists and pedestrians, but it’s
    mostly used by cars, and it’s just been made difficult, constantly loud >>> with traffic, and an eyesore for residents.” ENDS

    "...meant for cyclists and pedestrians..."?

    Eh?

    This is the intersection of the A569, the B5419 (ie, the former A570),
    the B5204 and B5204. It is the main southerly approach to St Helens (and especially to the town's main hospital and A&E department as well as to
    local industrial and trading areas).

    How could it possibly NOT be used by the drivers of cars, vans, lorries, motorcycles, buses and coaches?

    WHY DON'T YOU BLAME THESE IDIOT DRIVERS THEN?

    Drivers are not being blamed because they are not the cause of this
    expensive exercise in virtue signalling.

    I used to live about a mile from the Marshall's Cross roundabout (the
    actual name of the junction) and used it for every journey in and out of
    the town centre. I confirm that there was absolutely nothing wrong with
    it beforehand.

    That, I suppose, was the problem. Junctions that work well are anathema
    to the loonies and to the chavs on chav-bikes.

    Sounds like a typical psycholist approach: take something that works well,
    and ruin it in the name of walking and cycling safety; by which they mean their perception of cycle safety as it’s obvious they don’t care about anyone but themselves.

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 23 08:21:10 2023
    mrchrispy | 525 posts | 2 hours ago
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    "I've had to wash my car"

    ffs. cry me a freaking river.

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 23 08:25:34 2023
    ...it destroyed the view from our house, but with all the greenery of the former roundabout now being gone, ...

    I mean, a roundabout - where I go to rest my eyes?
    (g)

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 23 08:26:59 2023
    brooksby | 12051 posts | 2 hours ago
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    All I can take from this is that it's creating the same sort of inconvenience and mess as any other major roadworks scheme but that the locals don't like cyclists...

    SPOT ON - NIMBYS GONNA MOAN.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to JNugent on Wed Aug 23 16:07:49 2023
    JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
    On 23/08/2023 04:21 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

    mrchrispy | 525 posts | 2 hours ago
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    "I've had to wash my car"

    ffs. cry me a freaking river.

    Can the same idiot who wrote that unsympathetic attempt at a riposte
    really be the same May Sun loony who otherwise rails against "pollution"?

    Perhaps he "thinks" [I know, I know...] that pollution of people's homes
    and property isn't important.

    Mason gives me the impression he could be a pettifogging martinet of a
    minor official in George Orwell’s ‘1984’, as his capability for doublethink
    seems endless.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Wed Aug 23 16:10:38 2023
    swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    ...it destroyed the view from our house, but with all the greenery of
    the former roundabout now being gone, ...

    I mean, a roundabout - where I go to rest my eyes?
    (g)

    ‘A disgrace’: more than 100 trees cut down in Plymouth despite local opposition

    Scores of trees destroyed in hours on Tuesday despite petition signed by
    16,000 people

    More than 100 mature trees have been cut down in the centre of Plymouth in
    a move campaigners said was reminiscent of the needless felling of
    thousands of trees in Sheffield.

    Despite widespread opposition from local people, the Conservative council
    in the Devon city cordoned off the trees with metal fencing, sent in
    security guards and in the cover of darkness on Tuesday night, destroyed
    more than 100 with chainsaws over a few hours.

    The move came within days of a highly critical report on the needless destruction of trees by Sheffield city council – known as the “chainsaw massacre”. An inquiry report found the council was guilty of “a serious and sustained failure of strategic leadership”.

    Some 16,000 people in Plymouth had signed a petition to save the mature
    trees, which line a walkway from the sea to the city and the council agreed
    in February to community engagement. But within hours of that ending, on Tuesday night the chainsaws moved in and within hours more than 100 trees
    were felled.

    At 1am the local campaign to save the trees, Straw, obtained an injunction
    that halted the felling and saved 15 trees. They vow to continue their
    fight.

    “We wrote to the city council and pointed out the parallels between what
    was going on here and Sheffield,” said Alison White, of Straw. “But they said it was not a comparable situation. How is it not comparable? They have needlessly chopped down healthy mature trees. The people of Plymouth could
    not have made their views clearer that they were against this. It is a disgrace.”

    Luke Pollard, the Labour MP for Plymouth Sutton and Devonport, said: “It’s a scene of environmental devastation and utter council vandalism. I’m appalled at the actions of the Tory council. They have not listened to
    local people.”

    <https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/15/a-disgrace-more-than-100-trees-cut-down-in-plymouth-despite-local-opposition>

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 23 09:36:45 2023
    LeadenSkies | 126 posts | 35 min ago
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    I don't overly like having to clear up all the litter, discarded nitrous oxide canisters, food wrappers and worst of all bottles of bodily waste from the front of my house and 99.99% of that is thrown out by car drivers. Simarly, 90% of local background
    noise comes from passing traffic. It amazes me how some people get so used to the big issues caused by cars and their drivers that they totally ignore them and pick on something else to blame rather than the elephant in the room.

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 24 02:50:00 2023
    eburtthebike replied to brooksby | 4558 posts | 16 hours ago
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    I was going to say the same thing, you rarely read about the complaints of other road works, just the ones for cyclists.

    It's possibly not even that, "here's something that does not directly benefit me, therefore it's bad and I will complain about it"

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Thu Aug 24 09:58:11 2023
    swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

    eburtthebike replied to brooksby | 4558 posts | 16 hours ago
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    I was going to say the same thing, you rarely read about the complaints
    of other road works, just the ones for cyclists.

    It's possibly not even that, "here's something that does not directly
    benefit me, therefore it's bad and I will complain about it"

    Spoken like a true (self-centred) cyclist.

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 24 05:51:11 2023
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    Peowpeowpeowlasers | 715 posts | 3 hours ago
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    "There was nothing wrong with the roundabout" is the usual cry of motorists whose only interaction is to drive around it.

    Try walking across this as a pedestrian. Try being blind and walking across it.

    SEE: https://goo.gl/maps/B4ebSrk3mtwHXhWY8

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Thu Aug 24 14:08:17 2023
    swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
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    Peowpeowpeowlasers | 715 posts | 3 hours ago
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    "There was nothing wrong with the roundabout" is the usual cry of
    motorists whose only interaction is to drive around it.

    Try walking across this as a pedestrian. Try being blind and walking across it.

    SEE: https://goo.gl/maps/B4ebSrk3mtwHXhWY8

    Try walking along the footway on the north side of Nursery Road,
    Huntington, if you have mobility issues, eyesight issues, or social issues.

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 24 08:13:01 2023
    QUOTE: Look at the size of that roundabout! Could it be - as it was "before" - it was build for maximising motor vehicle speed and capacity and took no note of the impact on local properties, businesses or the safety and convenience of pedestrians and
    cyclists? ENDS

    IT WOULD SEEM SO - JUST LOOK AT THE STATE OF IT.

    https://cdn.road.cc/sites/default/files/styles/main_width/public/st-helens-cyclops-junction-roadworks-mike-fishwick.jpg

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 24 09:35:49 2023
    Memories are indeed short, not least drivers'. Here's how the area used to look - the area south-east of the pub was cleared to build the roundabout now of blessed memory.

    https://road.cc/sites/default/files/styles/main_width/public/IMG_4924.jpeg

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Thu Aug 24 11:34:26 2023
    On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 4:21:12 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
    mrchrispy | 525 posts | 2 hours ago
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    "I've had to wash my car"

    ffs. cry me a freaking river.

    David9694 replied to mrchrispy | 2940 posts | 1 day ago
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    Correction - "I've had to pay someone to do it" (valet is to wash as lavatory is to toilet?)

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Thu Aug 24 18:42:15 2023
    swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    QUOTE: Look at the size of that roundabout! Could it be - as it was
    "before" - it was build for maximising motor vehicle speed and capacity
    and took no note of the impact on local properties, businesses or the
    safety and convenience of pedestrians and cyclists? ENDS

    IT WOULD SEEM SO - JUST LOOK AT THE STATE OF IT.

    https://cdn.road.cc/sites/default/files/styles/main_width/public/st-helens-cyclops-junction-roadworks-mike-fishwick.jpg

    What are we supposed to be disgusted about?

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 24 12:06:26 2023
    QUOTE: “The noise is ridiculous, so that and the dirt mean I can’t open Sean’s window at night, which isn’t fair to him. ENDS

    That's like me moaning about the sound of cattle, donkeys, tractors, roosters and pigs and the smell of farming.

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 24 12:34:08 2023
    QUOTE: Throughout the works we’ve maintained open lines of communication to ensure that residents, businesses, and general motorists and others, are notified of key project milestones and have the opportunity to raise any concerns and queries. ENDS

    FFS - You're building a piggin' roundabout, not HS2. 😂😂

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to JNugent on Thu Aug 24 21:03:47 2023
    JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
    On 24/08/2023 07:42 pm, Spike wrote:
    swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    QUOTE: Look at the size of that roundabout! Could it be - as it was
    "before" - it was build for maximising motor vehicle speed and capacity
    and took no note of the impact on local properties, businesses or the
    safety and convenience of pedestrians and cyclists? ENDS

    IT WOULD SEEM SO - JUST LOOK AT THE STATE OF IT.

    https://cdn.road.cc/sites/default/files/styles/main_width/public/st-helens-cyclops-junction-roadworks-mike-fishwick.jpg

    What are we supposed to be disgusted about?

    Don't ask difficult questions!

    :-)

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Thu Aug 24 21:03:47 2023
    swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    QUOTE: “The noise is ridiculous, so that and the dirt mean I can’t open Sean’s window at night, which isn’t fair to him. ENDS

    That's like me moaning about the sound of cattle, donkeys, tractors,
    roosters and pigs and the smell of farming.

    You’re comparing apples with oranges again.

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 25 01:36:31 2023
    QUOTE: “They have closed all access to our houses, so we’ve got to do sometimes scary manoeuvres to get in and out to park. ENDS

    Who are you "scaring" - children or the elderly?

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Fri Aug 25 12:08:49 2023
    swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    In November last year, work began on the installation of a new Cycle Optimised Protected Signals (CYCLOPS) junction in St Helens, Merseyside.
    The junction, the first of its kind in the Liverpool City Region, has
    become increasingly popular in several parts of the UK since it was first introduced in Manchester in 2020, and aims to protect pedestrians and cyclists by separating them from motor traffic and reducing crossing distances, while also cutting journey times for motorists.

    <snip>

    https://road.cc/content/news/cycling-junction-works-leaving-homes-covered-dirt-303411

    I take it we’ve all noticed that this incisive and in-depth report by
    road.cc totally fails to give any mention whatsoever to what must have been alleged to have been amiss with this junction to warrant the resulting consumption of scarce resources, leading to the suspicion that it is a
    useless but virtue-signalling exercise.


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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 25 07:00:11 2023
    QUOTE: However, the ten months of work on the project have angered some locals, who are fiercely critical of the disruption caused by the construction and its accompanying road closures, which they claim have left their homes and businesses “
    inaccessible” and covered in dirt. ENDS

    Good job you didn't live through the Hull floods in 2007 where ten thousand people were living in caravans in their gardens for 18 months - get a grip, you lemons.

    https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/hull-2007-floods-how-city-7238878

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 25 07:50:41 2023
    OneAdultSwim
    @OneAdultSwim1
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    Aug 16
    One of these at every junction please. And it's about time we modernised our streets and actually dedicated some space to the quickest, most efficient and least harmful mode of transport we have. The Bike. Though we should introduce a motoring tax to pay
    for this modernisation!

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Fri Aug 25 14:17:36 2023
    Apples and oranges again…

    You’re comparing a natural disaster with a man-made one.

    I take it you can work out which is which?

    swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    QUOTE: However, the ten months of work on the project have angered some locals, who are fiercely critical of the disruption caused by the construction and its accompanying road closures, which they claim have
    left their homes and businesses “inaccessible” and covered in dirt. ENDS

    Good job you didn't live through the Hull floods in 2007 where ten
    thousand people were living in caravans in their gardens for 18 months -
    get a grip, you lemons.

    https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/hull-2007-floods-how-city-7238878




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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 25 09:03:17 2023
    QUOTE: /...they claim have left their homes “inaccessible". ENDS

    So where have you been sleeping at night then?
    Or are you lying?

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Fri Aug 25 15:42:52 2023
    swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    OneAdultSwim
    @OneAdultSwim1
    ·
    Aug 16
    One of these at every junction please. And it's about time we modernised
    our streets and actually dedicated some space to the quickest, most
    efficient and least harmful mode of transport we have. The Bike. Though
    we should introduce a motoring tax to pay for this modernisation!

    Typical cyclist! Wants others to pay so their demands, no matter how unreasonable or ineffective they might be.

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  • From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Fri Aug 25 10:07:11 2023
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 5:03:20 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
    QUOTE: /...they claim have left their homes “inaccessible". ENDS

    So where have you been sleeping at night then?
    Or are you lying?

    Are you the same feeble dweebs that get "trapped" in their homes when the London marathon is held?

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