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    From swldxer1958@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 23 05:30:08 2023
    Laugh? I almost did.
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    A “pioneering” new CYCLOPS junction designed to protect people cycling and walking has come in for criticism from locals, who claim that there was “nothing wrong” with the original roundabout and that the lengthy construction work is leaving
    their homes “permanently covered in dirt and dust”.

    In November last year, work began on the installation of a new Cycle Optimised Protected Signals (CYCLOPS) junction in St Helens, Merseyside. The junction, the first of its kind in the Liverpool City Region, has become increasingly popular in several
    parts of the UK since it was first introduced in Manchester in 2020, and aims to protect pedestrians and cyclists by separating them from motor traffic and reducing crossing distances, while also cutting journey times for motorists.

    St Helens’ CYCLOPS, located close to a number of schools and cycle routes, forms part of the St Helens Southern Gateway scheme (link is external), a partnership between the local borough council, the Liverpool City Region Combined Authority, and
    Northern Rail to help make sustainable travel an easier choice for commuters who use Lea Green Railway Station, one of the area’s busiest stations. The junction is set to open early next month.

    However, the ten months of work on the project have angered some locals, who are fiercely critical of the disruption caused by the construction and its accompanying road closures, which they claim have left their homes and businesses “inaccessible”
    and covered in dirt.

    “I’ve got desperate now for all this work to end,” Tony Forshaw, a long-time carer for wheelchair-user Sean who lives next to the forthcoming CYCLOPS junction, told the St Helens Star (link is external), “Because not only has it destroyed the
    view from our house, but with all the greenery of the former roundabout now being gone, it’s caused loads of muck.

    “When all of this started, we were told other than partial road closures we wouldn’t be affected. However, we now have dirt blowing into the house and all over the car – it’s all permanently covered in dirt and dust. I’ve had to have the car
    valeted twice now because it’s driving me mad.”

    He continued: “They have closed all access to our houses, so we’ve got to do sometimes scary manoeuvres to get in and out to park. And poor Sean can’t go out with the nurses and has to struggle to walk halfway down Chester Lane to their car.

    “The workmen are helpful, and I know they have a job to do, but I’m so annoyed at the council causing so much upheaval to transform a roundabout that had nothing wrong with it.

    “The noise is ridiculous, so that and the dirt mean I can’t open Sean’s window at night, which isn’t fair to him.

    “We’ve seen some near misses as no one knows how to use it and all the greenery has gone, leaving us with bright lines on tarmac instead.

    “I know it’s meant to be for cyclists and pedestrians, but it’s mostly used by cars, and it’s just been made difficult, constantly loud with traffic, and an eyesore for residents.”

    Meanwhile, Mike Fishwick and Sara Cunningham, who own the Bull and Dog pub located beside the new junction, said they have been living in “an absolute nightmare” due to the disruption caused by the project, with local MP Marie Rimmer yesterday
    agreeing that it is “a real shame” (link is external) that the roadworks are having an impact on local businesses.

    “I would hope that the roadworks could be brought to a conclusion as soon as possible to help local residents and vital businesses like the Bull and Dog pub get back to normal,” the Labour MP said.

    Responding to the issues raised by Mr Forshaw, a spokesperson for St Helens Borough Council said: “Due to its location on the road network and closeness to homes, businesses and schools, as well as Lea Green Railway Station, the CYCLOPS junction has
    been a challenging project to deliver but one we have been determined to carry out with due consideration for everyone in the neighbouring area.

    “Unfortunately, projects of this scale and complexity are difficult on the ground, but we’re assured that our contractors have made every effort to reduce noise and dust impact on nearby homes. Throughout the works we’ve maintained open lines of
    communication to ensure that residents, businesses, and general motorists and others, are notified of key project milestones and have the opportunity to raise any concerns and queries.

    “We apologise to local residents for any inconvenience they may have faced during the construction works and thank them for their cooperation during this time.

    “We are pleased to say that work is coming to an end, with a completion date of Monday, September 4 set, subject to weather conditions, which will significantly enhance the safety of pedestrians and cyclists, resulting in smoother journeys for all road
    users.”

    https://road.cc/content/news/cycling-junction-works-leaving-homes-covered-dirt-303411

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Wed Aug 23 15:31:26 2023
    On 23/08/2023 01:30 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

    Laugh? I almost did.
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    A “pioneering” new CYCLOPS junction designed to protect people cycling and walking has come in for criticism from locals, who claim that there was “nothing wrong” with the original roundabout and that the lengthy construction work is leaving
    their homes “permanently covered in dirt and dust”.

    In November last year, work began on the installation of a new Cycle Optimised Protected Signals (CYCLOPS) junction in St Helens, Merseyside. The junction, the first of its kind in the Liverpool City Region, has become increasingly popular in several
    parts of the UK since it was first introduced in Manchester in 2020, and aims to protect pedestrians and cyclists by separating them from motor traffic and reducing crossing distances, while also cutting journey times for motorists.

    St Helens’ CYCLOPS, located close to a number of schools and cycle routes, forms part of the St Helens Southern Gateway scheme (link is external), a partnership between the local borough council, the Liverpool City Region Combined Authority, and
    Northern Rail to help make sustainable travel an easier choice for commuters who use Lea Green Railway Station, one of the area’s busiest stations. The junction is set to open early next month.

    However, the ten months of work on the project have angered some locals, who are fiercely critical of the disruption caused by the construction and its accompanying road closures, which they claim have left their homes and businesses “inaccessible”
    and covered in dirt.

    “I’ve got desperate now for all this work to end,” Tony Forshaw, a long-time carer for wheelchair-user Sean who lives next to the forthcoming CYCLOPS junction, told the St Helens Star (link is external), “Because not only has it destroyed the
    view from our house, but with all the greenery of the former roundabout now being gone, it’s caused loads of muck.

    “When all of this started, we were told other than partial road closures we wouldn’t be affected. However, we now have dirt blowing into the house and all over the car – it’s all permanently covered in dirt and dust. I’ve had to have the car
    valeted twice now because it’s driving me mad.”

    He continued: “They have closed all access to our houses, so we’ve got to do sometimes scary manoeuvres to get in and out to park. And poor Sean can’t go out with the nurses and has to struggle to walk halfway down Chester Lane to their car.

    “The workmen are helpful, and I know they have a job to do, but I’m so annoyed at the council causing so much upheaval to transform a roundabout that had nothing wrong with it.

    “The noise is ridiculous, so that and the dirt mean I can’t open Sean’s window at night, which isn’t fair to him.

    “We’ve seen some near misses as no one knows how to use it and all the greenery has gone, leaving us with bright lines on tarmac instead.

    “I know it’s meant to be for cyclists and pedestrians, but it’s mostly used by cars, and it’s just been made difficult, constantly loud with traffic, and an eyesore for residents.”

    Meanwhile, Mike Fishwick and Sara Cunningham, who own the Bull and Dog pub located beside the new junction, said they have been living in “an absolute nightmare” due to the disruption caused by the project, with local MP Marie Rimmer yesterday
    agreeing that it is “a real shame” (link is external) that the roadworks are having an impact on local businesses.

    “I would hope that the roadworks could be brought to a conclusion as soon as possible to help local residents and vital businesses like the Bull and Dog pub get back to normal,” the Labour MP said.

    Responding to the issues raised by Mr Forshaw, a spokesperson for St Helens Borough Council said: “Due to its location on the road network and closeness to homes, businesses and schools, as well as Lea Green Railway Station, the CYCLOPS junction has
    been a challenging project to deliver but one we have been determined to carry out with due consideration for everyone in the neighbouring area.

    “Unfortunately, projects of this scale and complexity are difficult on the ground, but we’re assured that our contractors have made every effort to reduce noise and dust impact on nearby homes. Throughout the works we’ve maintained open lines of
    communication to ensure that residents, businesses, and general motorists and others, are notified of key project milestones and have the opportunity to raise any concerns and queries.

    “We apologise to local residents for any inconvenience they may have faced during the construction works and thank them for their cooperation during this time.

    “We are pleased to say that work is coming to an end, with a completion date of Monday, September 4 set, subject to weather conditions, which will significantly enhance the safety of pedestrians and cyclists, resulting in smoother journeys for all
    road users.”

    https://road.cc/content/news/cycling-junction-works-leaving-homes-covered-dirt-303411

    The only correct name for that junction is "Marshall's Cross".

    Fancy the totally ignorant and almost-illiterate road.cc not knowing that.

    The junction lends its name to the immediate area and even to the
    telephone exchange for the southern half of St Helens.

    There was absolutely nothing wrong with the junction, which worked well, engendered no queues and has operated satisfactorily for at least sixty
    years. No wonder the loonies of local govenment felt the need to intervene.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Spike on Wed Aug 23 15:39:37 2023
    On 23/08/2023 01:50 pm, Spike wrote:

    swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

    QUOTE: “I know it’s meant to be for cyclists and pedestrians, but it’s >> mostly used by cars, and it’s just been made difficult, constantly loud
    with traffic, and an eyesore for residents.” ENDS

    "...meant for cyclists and pedestrians..."?

    Eh?

    This is the intersection of the A569, the B5419 (ie, the former A570),
    the B5204 and B5204. It is the main southerly approach to St Helens (and especially to the town's main hospital and A&E department as well as to
    local industrial and trading areas).

    How could it possibly NOT be used by the drivers of cars, vans, lorries, motorcycles, buses and coaches?

    WHY DON'T YOU BLAME THESE IDIOT DRIVERS THEN?

    Drivers are not being blamed because they are not the cause of this
    expensive exercise in virtue signalling.

    I used to live about a mile from the Marshall's Cross roundabout (the
    actual name of the junction) and used it for every journey in and out of
    the town centre. I confirm that there was absolutely nothing wrong with
    it beforehand.

    That, I suppose, was the problem. Junctions that work well are anathema
    to the loonies and to the chavs on chav-bikes.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Wed Aug 23 16:24:37 2023
    On 23/08/2023 04:21 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

    mrchrispy | 525 posts | 2 hours ago
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    "I've had to wash my car"

    ffs. cry me a freaking river.

    Can the same idiot who wrote that unsympathetic attempt at a riposte
    really be the same May Sun loony who otherwise rails against "pollution"?

    Perhaps he "thinks" [I know, I know...] that pollution of people's homes
    and property isn't important.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Thu Aug 24 09:53:04 2023
    On 23/08/2023 05:36 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
    LeadenSkies | 126 posts | 35 min ago
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    I don't overly like having to clear up all the litter, discarded nitrous oxide canisters, food wrappers and worst of all bottles of bodily waste from the front of my house and 99.99% of that is thrown out by car drivers. Simarly, 90% of local
    background noise comes from passing traffic. It amazes me how some people get so used to the big issues caused by cars and their drivers that they totally ignore them and pick on something else to blame rather than the elephant in the room.

    You are talking of somewhere other than Marshall's Cross.

    Probably 'Ull or environs.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Thu Aug 24 14:45:29 2023
    On 24/08/2023 01:51 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
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    Peowpeowpeowlasers | 715 posts | 3 hours ago
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    "There was nothing wrong with the roundabout" is the usual cry of motorists whose only interaction is to drive around it.

    Try walking across this as a pedestrian. Try being blind and walking across it.

    You aren't supposed to walk across a roundabout any more than you're
    supposed to drive a van across it or ride a chav-bike across it.

    All road users go around a roundabout, hence the name.

    SEE: https://goo.gl/maps/B4ebSrk3mtwHXhWY8


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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Thu Aug 24 16:37:17 2023
    On 24/08/2023 04:13 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

    QUOTE: Look at the size of that roundabout! Could it be - as it was "before" - it was build [sic - JN] for maximising motor vehicle speed and capacity and took no note of the impact on local properties,

    What "local properties"?

    No residences front onto the roundabout.

    businesses or the safety and convenience of pedestrians and cyclists? ENDS

    I lived near there for five years. I never once heard of any complaint
    from pedestrians (in fact, the situation will not be improved for
    pedestrians, whose desire-lines were well catered for).

    IT WOULD SEEM SO - JUST LOOK AT THE STATE OF IT.

    The (current) state of it is exactly what nearby residents are
    complaining about. Yesterday, you were criticising them for that. Now
    you are taking up the cudgels on their behalf.

    https://cdn.road.cc/sites/default/files/styles/main_width/public/st-helens-cyclops-junction-roadworks-mike-fishwick.jpg

    The Marshall's Cross roundabout was built as the junction where the St
    Helens to Warrington road (A570) de-merged from the St Helens to Widnes
    road (A569).

    Those routes were there a VERY LONG time before any of the nearby
    post-war housing estates were built. There are a few terraced houses on
    the west side of Chester Lane (guess why it's called that?), south of
    the roundabout, including one long-standing and spectacular conversion
    of three of the cottages into one ("Chester Cottage", well-known in the
    area). The terraced properties directly front Chester Lane and always
    had adequate kerbside parking.

    Only idiots like May Sun could suppose that there was anything wrong
    with the area beforehand. There wasn't.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Thu Aug 24 19:24:56 2023
    On 24/08/2023 05:35 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
    Memories are indeed short, not least drivers'. Here's how the area used to look - the area south-east of the pub was cleared to build the roundabout now of blessed memory.

    https://road.cc/sites/default/files/styles/main_width/public/IMG_4924.jpeg

    The locality has not looked like that for more than FIFTY years to my
    certain knowledge. Marshall's Cross Road is a dual carriageway.

    There was a colliery - Sutton Manor - abut 900 yards south of the
    junction. Collieries place great demands on local transport infrastructure.

    But you didn't even know it was there.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Spike on Thu Aug 24 20:19:39 2023
    On 24/08/2023 07:42 pm, Spike wrote:
    swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    QUOTE: Look at the size of that roundabout! Could it be - as it was
    "before" - it was build for maximising motor vehicle speed and capacity
    and took no note of the impact on local properties, businesses or the
    safety and convenience of pedestrians and cyclists? ENDS

    IT WOULD SEEM SO - JUST LOOK AT THE STATE OF IT.

    https://cdn.road.cc/sites/default/files/styles/main_width/public/st-helens-cyclops-junction-roadworks-mike-fishwick.jpg

    What are we supposed to be disgusted about?


    Don't ask difficult questions!

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Spike on Fri Aug 25 17:38:21 2023
    On 25/08/2023 03:17 pm, Spike wrote:

    Apples and oranges again…

    You’re comparing a natural disaster with a man-made one.

    I take it you can work out which is which?

    swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    QUOTE: However, the ten months of work on the project have angered some
    locals, who are fiercely critical of the disruption caused by the
    construction and its accompanying road closures, which they claim have
    left their homes and businesses “inaccessible” and covered in dirt. ENDS >>
    Good job you didn't live through the Hull floods in 2007 where ten
    thousand people were living in caravans in their gardens for 18 months -
    get a grip, you lemons.

    https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/hull-2007-floods-how-city-7238878

    Don't underestimate the damage done by the 'Ull floods of 2007, Spike.

    Thousands of pounds worth of damage was caused.

    Possibly as many as ten thousand pounds.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to swldx...@gmail.com on Fri Aug 25 17:36:37 2023
    On 25/08/2023 09:36 am, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

    QUOTE: “They have closed all access to our houses, so we’ve got to do sometimes scary manoeuvres to get in and out to park. ENDS

    Who are you "scaring" - children or the elderly?

    The only ones who are capable of understanding risks are those mature
    enough to appreciate them.

    So small children?

    No.

    Or thicko chav-cyclists like you?

    No.

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