Initial analysis of the impact of widespread implementation of 20mph
speed limits across Wales last week suggests a "dramatic" change in
traffic speeds, with the results hailed "astonishing and far greater than would have been predicted".
Rod King MBE, a campaign director at 20's Plenty for Us told Wales Online (link is external) he hopes the move will make routes "far more pleasant
for walkers and cyclists", his comments coming as a report by transport
and public health data analysts Agilysis showed an on average reduction
in vehicle speed on new 20mph routes of 2.9mph.
Agilysis' Richard Owen said the results were "astonishing" and showed
that Welsh drivers had "on the whole" accepted lower speed limits and
"have changed their behaviour accordingly".
"There will remain some drivers who choose to break the limit by
significant amounts but the drop in speeds on the fastest urban roads has been marked," he said.
Agilysis undertook the research after the implementation of the default
urban speed limit on 17 September, and collected GPS data from mapping company TomTom to retrieve and analyse speed data within 24 hours of the change.
Looking at the data anonymously provided, Agilysis studied "a very significant sample and more than sufficient for this type of analysis"
across a selection of vehicle types — privately owned cars, vans, plus commercial vehicles.
In total, 491.8km of roads that changed from 30mph to 20mph, were
analysed across areas such as Cardiff, Newport, Swansea, Wrexham, Rhyl, Merthyr Tydfil, Lampeter, Bangor, Haverfordwest and Newtown. Minor local roads and quiet residential roads were excluded from the analysis as they
do not have sufficient sample sizes for the time periods selected.
The headline figure pre-implementation of 20mph speed limits was the
average weighted median speed across all the routes was 22.7mph, this
dropped to 19.8mph post-implementation.
In Cardiff the average weighted median speed dropped from 22.6mph to
19.7mph, while the biggest drop was seen in Rhyl & Prestatyn and Wrexham where the average speeds dropped from 23.2mph to 19.6mph, a reduction of 3.6mph from before the implementation.]
The report concluded the change in speed had been "dramatic" and
suggested that compliance is "very good". By using results from Cardiff
and Wrexham, the report suggests that drivers' journey times were, on average, between 45 and 63 seconds longer.
"The analysis period covered the 6am to 6pm period and compliance is
expected to be lower outside of these times," it suggested. "Fewer
vulnerable road users (cyclists and pedestrians) are likely to use the
roads at these times however and the impact on those killed or seriously injured may be lower. Nevertheless, there are opportunities using this approach to review compliance at different times of the day."
Rod King of 20's Plenty for Us added: "Our experience from so many implementations across the UK tells us that 20mph limits work, and they
work particularly well on the faster urban roads.
"They are not a silver bullet, but do reduce speeds to make streets far
more pleasant for walkers and cyclists, they lower faster speeds and
produce a more consistent flow of traffic. This in turn makes it safer
for all road users. A default urban/village 20mph limit is key to
liveability and community life whilst at the same time retaining mobility
for all. Well done Wales."
https://road.cc/content/news/20mph-speed-limit-analysis-hailed-astonishing-304085
Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
Initial analysis of the impact of widespread implementation of 20mph
speed limits across Wales last week suggests a "dramatic" change in
traffic speeds, with the results hailed "astonishing and far greater than
would have been predicted".
https://road.cc/content/news/20mph-speed-limit-analysis-hailed-astonishing-304085
Clearly those who invented these faked up numbers didn’t consider credibility.
If the change in average speed is under 3mph yet
the change in trip time is only 63 secs, how long are the trips?
(Hint: run the numbers for a 5 mile trip.)
belugabob | 360 posts | 2 hours ago
5 likes
Most cyclists know this, as they've witnessed MGIF drivers simply get to
the next set of traffic lights earlier. The traffic light sequence is
what truly dictates average traffic speeds
Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
belugabob | 360 posts | 2 hours ago
5 likes
Most cyclists know this, as they've witnessed MGIF drivers simply get to
the next set of traffic lights earlier. The traffic light sequence is
what truly dictates average traffic speeds
Why would cyclists be interested in red travel lights?
On 26/09/23 10:10, Spike wrote:
Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:They are very pretty. They are a signal for me to stop so that I can
belugabob | 360 posts | 2 hours ago
5 likes
Most cyclists know this, as they've witnessed MGIF drivers simply get to >>> the next set of traffic lights earlier. The traffic light sequence is
what truly dictates average traffic speeds
Why would cyclists be interested in red travel lights?
watch the delicious miniskirted floosies walking by.
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
On 26/09/23 10:10, Spike wrote:
Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:They are very pretty. They are a signal for me to stop so that I can
belugabob | 360 posts | 2 hours ago
5 likes
Most cyclists know this, as they've witnessed MGIF drivers simply get to >>>> the next set of traffic lights earlier. The traffic light sequence is
what truly dictates average traffic speeds
Why would cyclists be interested in red travel lights?
watch the delicious miniskirted floosies walking by.
That’s not very PC…
The 20mph limit in residential areas is merely correcting a historical mistake as 30mph is far too fast for safety in these areas.
On 27/09/23 11:29, Spike wrote:
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:I am not PC.
On 26/09/23 10:10, Spike wrote:
Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:They are very pretty. They are a signal for me to stop so that I can
belugabob | 360 posts | 2 hours ago
5 likes
Most cyclists know this, as they've witnessed MGIF drivers simply get to >>>>> the next set of traffic lights earlier. The traffic light sequence is >>>>> what truly dictates average traffic speeds
Why would cyclists be interested in red travel lights?
watch the delicious miniskirted floosies walking by.
That’s not very PC…
Do you want me not to stop at red lights, so that I can be PC?
OldRidgeback | 4486 posts | 3 hours ago
2 likes
I commute on two wheels along some very busy arterial roads in South
London and have done for many years. What always strikes me is how many
cars I filter past on my 26km journey. And it's of note how many of them
have just one person inside too. People commuting by car seem to have no understanding of how long they sit waiting in traffic queues. On the few occasions I've had to use my car, either to take or get something from
the office, the different in commute time is substantial.
OldRidgeback | 4486 posts | 3 hours agoPeople commuting by car seem to have no understanding of how long they sit waiting in traffic queues. On the few occasions I've had to use my car, either to take or get something from the office, the different in commute time is substantial.
2 likes
I commute on two wheels along some very busy arterial roads in South London and have done for many years. What always strikes me is how many cars I filter past on my 26km journey. And it's of note how many of them have just one person inside too.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:28:00 PM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
OldRidgeback | 4486 posts | 3 hours ago
2 likes
I commute on two wheels along some very busy arterial roads in South
London and have done for many years. What always strikes me is how many
cars I filter past on my 26km journey. And it's of note how many of them
have just one person inside too. People commuting by car seem to have no
understanding of how long they sit waiting in traffic queues. On the few
occasions I've had to use my car, either to take or get something from
the office, the different in commute time is substantial.
As long as cyclists are not "holding them up" they will happily sit there for hours on end.
Most odd.
mattw replied to Gimpl | 727 posts | 1 day ago
6 likes
I don't trust the petition. The moto lobby in England (55 million people
vs 3 million in Wales) are all tripping over themselves to sign it. And
there is no verification against fake postcodes.
Steve K | 1739 posts | 4 hours ago
0 likes
I think we have a winner for a comment from my local "Next Door"
discussion on all things War on Motorists. 20mph roads are "too slow and too safe"
:-0
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
On 27/09/23 11:29, Spike wrote:
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:I am not PC.
On 26/09/23 10:10, Spike wrote:
Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:They are very pretty. They are a signal for me to stop so that I can
belugabob | 360 posts | 2 hours ago
5 likes
Most cyclists know this, as they've witnessed MGIF drivers simply get to >>>>>> the next set of traffic lights earlier. The traffic light sequence is >>>>>> what truly dictates average traffic speeds
Why would cyclists be interested in red travel lights?
watch the delicious miniskirted floosies walking by.
That’s not very PC…
Do you want me not to stop at red lights, so that I can be PC?
You seem to have shifted the goalposts there.
Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
Steve K | 1739 posts | 4 hours ago
0 likes
I think we have a winner for a comment from my local "Next Door"
discussion on all things War on Motorists. 20mph roads are "too slow and too safe"
:-0
Perhaps they don’t want to look like tits - something that cyclists understand.
Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:28:00 PM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote: >>> OldRidgeback | 4486 posts | 3 hours ago
2 likes
I commute on two wheels along some very busy arterial roads in South
London and have done for many years. What always strikes me is how many
cars I filter past on my 26km journey. And it's of note how many of them >>> have just one person inside too. People commuting by car seem to have no >>> understanding of how long they sit waiting in traffic queues. On the few >>> occasions I've had to use my car, either to take or get something from
the office, the different in commute time is substantial.
As long as cyclists are not "holding them up" they will happily sit there for hours on end.
In the warm, in the dry, relaxing music on the stereo, not suffering the burping, farting, sneezing, or coughing of close-packed passengers on
grubby public transport; or need to have a shower and change of clothes
after locking up the bicycle.
Most odd.
Not really…
There is no actual 'need' to have a shower and a change of clothes.
On 27/09/23 23:31, Spike wrote:
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:EH?
On 27/09/23 11:29, Spike wrote:
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:I am not PC.
On 26/09/23 10:10, Spike wrote:
Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:They are very pretty. They are a signal for me to stop so that I can >>>>> watch the delicious miniskirted floosies walking by.
belugabob | 360 posts | 2 hours ago
5 likes
Most cyclists know this, as they've witnessed MGIF drivers simply get to
the next set of traffic lights earlier. The traffic light sequence is >>>>>>> what truly dictates average traffic speeds
Why would cyclists be interested in red travel lights?
That’s not very PC…
Do you want me not to stop at red lights, so that I can be PC?
You seem to have shifted the goalposts there.
This thread seems to be about bicyclists and red lights. Some other
aspects were added, such as floosies and PC, but it is still about
bicyclists and red lights.
On 28/09/23 09:55, Spike wrote:
Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:I do not give a fuck about looking like a tit.
Steve K | 1739 posts | 4 hours ago
0 likes
I think we have a winner for a comment from my local "Next Door"
discussion on all things War on Motorists. 20mph roads are "too slow and too safe"
:-0
Perhaps they don’t want to look like tits - something that cyclists
understand.
I ride my bicycle.
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 12:45:10 AM UTC+1, Peter Keller wrote:
There is no actual 'need' to have a shower and a change of clothes.
Exactly - I got a shower at home before I set off for work.
Why would I need another one 35 minutes later?
On 28/09/23 02:58, Spike wrote:
Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:There is no actual 'need' to have a shower and a change of clothes.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:28:00 PM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote: >>>> OldRidgeback | 4486 posts | 3 hours ago
2 likes
I commute on two wheels along some very busy arterial roads in South
London and have done for many years. What always strikes me is how many >>>> cars I filter past on my 26km journey. And it's of note how many of them >>>> have just one person inside too. People commuting by car seem to have no >>>> understanding of how long they sit waiting in traffic queues. On the few >>>> occasions I've had to use my car, either to take or get something from >>>> the office, the different in commute time is substantial.
As long as cyclists are not "holding them up" they will happily sit
there for hours on end.
In the warm, in the dry, relaxing music on the stereo, not suffering the
burping, farting, sneezing, or coughing of close-packed passengers on
grubby public transport; or need to have a shower and change of clothes
after locking up the bicycle.
Most odd.
Not really…
Quote:
There is set to be disruption on the M4 this weekend as people
protest over the new 20mph speed limit in Wales. Around 100 to 300
protesters are set to take part on Saturday (September 30).
The group, who are said to be "car enthusiasts", are expected to
block the Prince of Wales Bridge and drive at 20mph towards Cardiff Gate.
Yes - that's right. They are so angry about 20mph limits on residential roads in Wales that they are going to drive along the motorway at 20mph...
There is no actual 'need' to have a shower and a change of clothes.
Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 12:45:10 AM UTC+1, Peter Keller wrote: >>
There is no actual 'need' to have a shower and a change of clothes.
Exactly - I got a shower at home before I set off for work.
Why would I need another one 35 minutes later?
Ever heard of ‘personal hygiene’?
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
On 27/09/23 23:31, Spike wrote:
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:EH?
On 27/09/23 11:29, Spike wrote:
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:I am not PC.
On 26/09/23 10:10, Spike wrote:
Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:They are very pretty. They are a signal for me to stop so that I can >>>>>> watch the delicious miniskirted floosies walking by.
belugabob | 360 posts | 2 hours ago
5 likes
Most cyclists know this, as they've witnessed MGIF drivers simply get to
the next set of traffic lights earlier. The traffic light sequence is >>>>>>>> what truly dictates average traffic speeds
Why would cyclists be interested in red travel lights?
That’s not very PC…
Do you want me not to stop at red lights, so that I can be PC?
You seem to have shifted the goalposts there.
This thread seems to be about bicyclists and red lights. Some other
aspects were added, such as floosies and PC, but it is still about
bicyclists and red lights.
Nope, you shifted the goalposts by introducing ‘delicious miniskirted floosies ‘…
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
On 28/09/23 02:58, Spike wrote:
Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:There is no actual 'need' to have a shower and a change of clothes.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:28:00 PM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote: >>>>> OldRidgeback | 4486 posts | 3 hours ago
2 likes
I commute on two wheels along some very busy arterial roads in South >>>>> London and have done for many years. What always strikes me is how many >>>>> cars I filter past on my 26km journey. And it's of note how many of them >>>>> have just one person inside too. People commuting by car seem to have no >>>>> understanding of how long they sit waiting in traffic queues. On the few >>>>> occasions I've had to use my car, either to take or get something from >>>>> the office, the different in commute time is substantial.
As long as cyclists are not "holding them up" they will happily sit
there for hours on end.
In the warm, in the dry, relaxing music on the stereo, not suffering the >>> burping, farting, sneezing, or coughing of close-packed passengers on
grubby public transport; or need to have a shower and change of clothes
after locking up the bicycle.
Most odd.
Not really…
Don’t tell me, tell the cyclists who claim they need a shower after arriving at work. I last rode a bicycle on my 16th birthday, whereupon I threw it away, sat astride my motorcycle, and never looked back to the bicycle era.
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
On 28/09/23 09:55, Spike wrote:
Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:I do not give a fuck about looking like a tit.
Steve K | 1739 posts | 4 hours ago
0 likes
I think we have a winner for a comment from my local "Next Door"
discussion on all things War on Motorists. 20mph roads are "too slow and too safe"
:-0
Perhaps they don’t want to look like tits - something that cyclists
understand.
I ride my bicycle.
But many do so give a fuck about looking like a tit.
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
On 26/09/23 10:10, Spike wrote:
Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:They are very pretty. They are a signal for me to stop so that I can
belugabob | 360 posts | 2 hours ago
5 likes
Most cyclists know this, as they've witnessed MGIF drivers simply get to >>>> the next set of traffic lights earlier. The traffic light sequence is
what truly dictates average traffic speeds
Why would cyclists be interested in red travel lights?
watch the delicious miniskirted floosies walking by.
That’s not very PC…
Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 12:45:10 AM UTC+1, Peter Keller wrote: >>
There is no actual 'need' to have a shower and a change of clothes.
Exactly - I got a shower at home before I set off for work.
Why would I need another one 35 minutes later?
Ever heard of ‘personal hygiene’?
OldRidgeback | 4486 posts | 3 hours ago
2 likes
I commute on two wheels along some very busy arterial roads in South London and have done for many years. What always strikes me is how many cars I filter past on my 26km journey. And it's of note how many of them have just one person inside too.
People commuting by car seem to have no understanding of how long they sit waiting in traffic queues.
On 27/09/23 23:31, Spike wrote:
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:EH?
On 27/09/23 11:29, Spike wrote:
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:I am not PC.
On 26/09/23 10:10, Spike wrote:
Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:They are very pretty. They are a signal for me to stop so that I can >>>>> watch the delicious miniskirted floosies walking by.
belugabob | 360 posts | 2 hours ago
5 likes
Most cyclists know this, as they've witnessed MGIF drivers simply >>>>>>> get to
the next set of traffic lights earlier. The traffic light
sequence is
what truly dictates average traffic speeds
Why would cyclists be interested in red travel lights?
That’s not very PC…
Do you want me not to stop at red lights, so that I can be PC?
You seem to have shifted the goalposts there.
This thread seems to be about bicyclists and red lights. Some other
aspects were added, such as floosies and PC, but it is still about
bicyclists and red lights.
On 26/09/2023 17:29, Spike wrote:
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
On 26/09/23 10:10, Spike wrote:
Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:They are very pretty. They are a signal for me to stop so that I can
belugabob | 360 posts | 2 hours ago
5 likes
Most cyclists know this, as they've witnessed MGIF drivers simply
get to
the next set of traffic lights earlier. The traffic light sequence is >>>>> what truly dictates average traffic speeds
Why would cyclists be interested in red travel lights?
watch the delicious miniskirted floosies walking by.
That’s not very PC…
Who cares?
It's Peter at his most dependably entertaining.
On 28/09/23 22:27, Spike wrote:
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:Fucking hell!
On 27/09/23 23:31, Spike wrote:
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:EH?
On 27/09/23 11:29, Spike wrote:
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:I am not PC.
On 26/09/23 10:10, Spike wrote:
Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:They are very pretty. They are a signal for me to stop so that I can >>>>>>> watch the delicious miniskirted floosies walking by.
belugabob | 360 posts | 2 hours ago
5 likes
Most cyclists know this, as they've witnessed MGIF drivers simply get to
the next set of traffic lights earlier. The traffic light sequence is >>>>>>>>> what truly dictates average traffic speeds
Why would cyclists be interested in red travel lights?
That’s not very PC…
Do you want me not to stop at red lights, so that I can be PC?
You seem to have shifted the goalposts there.
This thread seems to be about bicyclists and red lights. Some other
aspects were added, such as floosies and PC, but it is still about
bicyclists and red lights.
Nope, you shifted the goalposts by introducing ‘delicious miniskirted
floosies ‘…
Do you want me to stop at red lights or not?
On 27/09/2023 07:27, Simon Mason wrote:
OldRidgeback | 4486 posts | 3 hours ago
2 likes
I commute on two wheels along some very busy arterial roads in South
London and have done for many years. What always strikes me is how many
cars I filter past on my 26km journey. And it's of note how many of them
have just one person inside too.
What's wrong with that?
Should commuters be forced to bring along someone who has no need to
make the same journey or something?
If so, why?
People commuting by car seem to have no understanding of how long they
sit waiting in traffic queues.
Campaign for properly phased traffic lights for optimum traffic flow.
Yes - that's right. They are so angry about 20mph limits on residential roads in Wales that they are going to drive along the motorway at 20mph...
---------------------------
No, no, no this cannot be right, my car simply can't go at 20 mph, it would burn out the clutch, knacker the gearbox and the fuel tank would empty in minutes.
Now do that speed in a residential area, guys and hey presto!
"This DIY approach by drivers saves us a lot of glue and gaffer tape" said a JSO spokesman.
PS Has THAT petition now exceeded the number of driving licence holders in Wales?
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
On 28/09/23 22:27, Spike wrote:
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:Fucking hell!
On 27/09/23 23:31, Spike wrote:
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:EH?
On 27/09/23 11:29, Spike wrote:
Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:I am not PC.
On 26/09/23 10:10, Spike wrote:
Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:They are very pretty. They are a signal for me to stop so that I can >>>>>>>> watch the delicious miniskirted floosies walking by.
belugabob | 360 posts | 2 hours ago
5 likes
Most cyclists know this, as they've witnessed MGIF drivers simply get to
the next set of traffic lights earlier. The traffic light sequence is
what truly dictates average traffic speeds
Why would cyclists be interested in red travel lights?
That’s not very PC…
Do you want me not to stop at red lights, so that I can be PC?
You seem to have shifted the goalposts there.
This thread seems to be about bicyclists and red lights. Some other
aspects were added, such as floosies and PC, but it is still about
bicyclists and red lights.
Nope, you shifted the goalposts by introducing ‘delicious miniskirted
floosies ‘…
Do you want me to stop at red lights or not?
LOL
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