• Unmarked cabs spotting Hull drivers after police tell motorist 'you mig

    From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 29 00:21:53 2023
    Police will be using unmarked HGV cabs to crack down on illegal driving on the M62, East Yorkshire drivers are being warned.

    Officers launched the new campaign today by releasing footage of a van driver using both hands to hold and drink from an open cup of tea. In the footage, the unmarked cab pulls alongside the van before an officer tells the van driver: "You might want to
    put your cup of tea down and concentrate on driving."

    The van driver was issued a traffic offence report for not being in proper control of his vehicle. This resulted in a £100 fine and three points being added to his licence.

    It was one of hundreds of incidents where drivers were caught flouting the rules of the road during "Operation Tramline" on the M6 last summer. Motorists were caught at the wheel using phones and without seatbelts on.

    Now, police have launched "Operation Pennine" – a month of action dedicated to catching bad drivers along the length of the M62. East Yorkshire will be targeted along with other counties along the route.

    Officers will be using unmarked HGV cabs provided by the National Highways agency, which manages the M62. The operation aims to help to reduce the number of accidents on the motorway.

    Hundreds of thousands of drivers travel on the M62 every day. In 2022, there were 28,607 incidents, including 1,651 collisions. West Yorkshire Police recorded 105 people not wearing a seatbelt, 99 using a mobile phone at the wheel and 32 drivers not in
    proper control of their vehicle. Officers also stopped 279 people for speeding.

    Nicola Clayton, a regional safety manager for National Highways, said: "Hundreds of thousands of drivers use our roads every day and the vast majority are sensible behind the wheel. However, some drivers are putting themselves and others at risk through
    using mobile phones, driving without a seatbelt or even handling a boiling hot drink at the wheel.

    "We are committed to reducing the number of people killed or seriously injured while travelling on our roads by 50 per cent by 2025 and we have a long-term ambition for zero harm. To achieve that, we need to tackle the unsafe driving behaviour that we
    sadly still encounter.

    "Through this month of action, we want to encourage motorists to think about their driving and to adopt safer behaviours. Those who continue to pose a risk should be aware that we are working with our police partners to make sure they are spotted and
    prevented from causing serious harm to themselves or others."

    Meanwhile, police and traffic officers will be carrying out vehicle checks and offering advice to drivers at motorway service stations. Sergeant Ryan Burt, of West Yorkshire Police’s roads policing unit, said: "By having an officer observing and
    filming from inside a HGV cab, we can see what lorry drivers are doing, as well as other drivers.

    "We are involved in regular activity throughout the year and repeatedly see drivers using their mobile phones or in other ways not being in proper control of their vehicle. A driver not having their full attention on the road can have devastating
    repercussions, and when a heavy goods vehicle is involved, this can be even more catastrophic.

    "We need everyone to think about their own behaviour, make sure they drive at an appropriate speed and make sure their vehicle is in good working order. If drivers are not maintaining their vehicles or driving in an unsafe way then we will take action to
    keep both the driver and other road users safe."

    The driver caught sipping tea at the wheel was spotted on the M6 in Cheshire.

    https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/unmarked-cabs-spotting-hull-drivers-8781557

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Fri Sep 29 15:15:28 2023
    On 29/09/2023 02:21, Simon Mason wrote:
    Police will be using unmarked HGV cabs to crack down on illegal driving on the M62, East Yorkshire drivers are being warned.

    Officers launched the new campaign today by releasing footage of a van driver using both hands to hold and drink from an open cup of tea. In the footage, the unmarked cab pulls alongside the van before an officer tells the van driver: "You might want
    to put your cup of tea down and concentrate on driving."

    The van driver was issued a traffic offence report for not being in proper control of his vehicle. This resulted in a £100 fine and three points being added to his licence.

    It was one of hundreds of incidents where drivers were caught flouting the rules of the road during "Operation Tramline" on the M6 last summer. Motorists were caught at the wheel using phones and without seatbelts on.

    Now, police have launched "Operation Pennine" – a month of action dedicated to catching bad drivers along the length of the M62. East Yorkshire will be targeted along with other counties along the route.

    Officers will be using unmarked HGV cabs provided by the National Highways agency, which manages the M62. The operation aims to help to reduce the number of accidents on the motorway.

    Hundreds of thousands of drivers travel on the M62 every day. In 2022, there were 28,607 incidents, including 1,651 collisions. West Yorkshire Police recorded 105 people not wearing a seatbelt, 99 using a mobile phone at the wheel and 32 drivers not in
    proper control of their vehicle. Officers also stopped 279 people for speeding.

    Nicola Clayton, a regional safety manager for National Highways, said: "Hundreds of thousands of drivers use our roads every day and the vast majority are sensible behind the wheel. However, some drivers are putting themselves and others at risk
    through using mobile phones, driving without a seatbelt or even handling a boiling hot drink at the wheel.

    "We are committed to reducing the number of people killed or seriously injured while travelling on our roads by 50 per cent by 2025 and we have a long-term ambition for zero harm. To achieve that, we need to tackle the unsafe driving behaviour that we
    sadly still encounter.

    "Through this month of action, we want to encourage motorists to think about their driving and to adopt safer behaviours. Those who continue to pose a risk should be aware that we are working with our police partners to make sure they are spotted and
    prevented from causing serious harm to themselves or others."

    Meanwhile, police and traffic officers will be carrying out vehicle checks and offering advice to drivers at motorway service stations. Sergeant Ryan Burt, of West Yorkshire Police’s roads policing unit, said: "By having an officer observing and
    filming from inside a HGV cab, we can see what lorry drivers are doing, as well as other drivers.

    "We are involved in regular activity throughout the year and repeatedly see drivers using their mobile phones or in other ways not being in proper control of their vehicle. A driver not having their full attention on the road can have devastating
    repercussions, and when a heavy goods vehicle is involved, this can be even more catastrophic.

    "We need everyone to think about their own behaviour, make sure they drive at an appropriate speed and make sure their vehicle is in good working order. If drivers are not maintaining their vehicles or driving in an unsafe way then we will take action
    to keep both the driver and other road users safe."

    The driver caught sipping tea at the wheel was spotted on the M6 in Cheshire.

    Is that illegal?

    What Statute / what Regulation?

    https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/unmarked-cabs-spotting-hull-drivers-8781557

    Oh... 'Ull...

    I suppose it doesn't have to make sense and shouldn't be expected to.

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 29 13:41:46 2023
    7 hrs ago

    All the offences are serious but I find it particularly mind blowing how/why people would not put a seatbelt on when driving. Although this would have no impact on anyone other than themselves.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Sat Sep 30 08:09:52 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    7 hrs ago

    All the offences are serious but I find it particularly mind blowing
    how/why people would not put a seatbelt on when driving. Although this
    would have no impact on anyone other than themselves.

    Much the same could be said about wearing cycle helmets while cycling.

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    Spike

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Sat Sep 30 02:37:07 2023
    On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 9:41:48 PM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
    7 hrs ago

    All the offences are serious but I find it particularly mind blowing how/why people would not put a seatbelt on when driving. Although this would have no impact on anyone other than themselves.

    What about the vast costs to the NHS and the police?

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Sat Sep 30 09:58:04 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 9:41:48 PM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
    7 hrs ago

    All the offences are serious but I find it particularly mind blowing
    how/why people would not put a seatbelt on when driving. Although this
    would have no impact on anyone other than themselves.

    What about the vast costs to the NHS and the police?

    Quite. On the basis of cost to the public services:

    Compulsory cycle helmets NOW!

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    Spike

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 30 03:10:48 2023
    1 day ago

    This behaviour scares me, I've seen lorry drivers many times messing on their phones and not concentrating on the roads.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Spike on Sun Oct 1 15:14:50 2023
    On 30/09/2023 03:09, Spike wrote:
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    7 hrs ago

    All the offences are serious but I find it particularly mind blowing
    how/why people would not put a seatbelt on when driving. Although this
    would have no impact on anyone other than themselves.

    Much the same could be said about wearing cycle helmets while cycling

    Or jumping off bridges...

    Oh... hang on a mo...

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Sun Oct 1 15:16:17 2023
    On 30/09/2023 04:37, Simon Mason wrote:

    On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 9:41:48 PM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
    7 hrs ago

    All the offences are serious but I find it particularly mind blowing how/why people would not put a seatbelt on when driving. Although this would have no impact on anyone other than themselves.

    What about the vast costs to the NHS and the police?

    Talking about vast costs [sic] to the NHS and the police...

    How much did your bridge-jumping escapade cost us?

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 1 13:36:34 2023
    2 days ago

    Good. I hope they catch as many as possible. The standard of driving is shocking in recent times.

    Frequently see people on the phone, and misusing lanes/roundabouts causing danger to others.

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 1 13:35:11 2023
    2 days ago

    Website called RateDriver. Full of dashcam uploads of those that have been caught driving badly. Government websites to check VED, if insured & MOT: CheckVED, CheckMOT & AskMID.

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 1 13:37:48 2023
    2 days ago

    This doesn't make sense. When the police want to crack down in antisocial behaviour on the estates, they (eventually) put out high visibility patrols to deter it.

    When they want to crack down on shoplifting, they put out high visibility patrols in town to deter it.

    When they want to "...tackle the unsafe driving behaviour..." on the roads, they hide in unmarked vehicles and hand out tickets like Christmas cards.

    Little wonder the public is losing confidence in the police. ====================
    Ridiculous reply. If they drive along sirens blaring in a marked vehicle these cretins would temporarily put the phone down, wait for them to pass, then carry on.

    Your examples are not comparable at all.

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 1 13:53:20 2023
    QUOTE: Officers launched the new campaign today by releasing footage of a van driver using both hands to hold and drink from an open cup of tea. In the footage, the unmarked cab pulls alongside the van before an officer tells the van driver: "You might
    want to put your cup of tea down and concentrate on driving."

    The van driver was issued a traffic offence report for not being in proper control of his vehicle. This resulted in a £100 fine and three points being added to his licence. ENDS

    He was using BOTH hands to drink with? In front of the police?

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Sun Oct 1 20:48:50 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    2 days ago

    Good. I hope they catch as many as possible. The standard of driving is shocking in recent times.

    Frequently see people on the phone, and misusing lanes/roundabouts
    causing danger to others.

    Perhaps they learned bad habits, from seeing cyclists jump red lights and ploughing through people on zebra crossings.

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    Spike

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  • From Peter Keller@21:1/5 to Spike on Mon Oct 2 20:55:04 2023
    On 2/10/23 09:48, Spike wrote:
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    2 days ago

    Good. I hope they catch as many as possible. The standard of driving is
    shocking in recent times.

    Frequently see people on the phone, and misusing lanes/roundabouts
    causing danger to others.

    Perhaps they learned bad habits, from seeing cyclists jump red lights and ploughing through people on zebra crossings.

    We need more miniskirted floosies.

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