• Re: Mercedes van driver jailed for killing schoolgirl Lexi McDavid who

    From JNugent@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 2 17:29:01 2023
    On 02/12/2023 05:06 pm, Simon Mason wrote:

    First things first...

    A: This item is getting to be fairly non-news, in that the reports date
    from 3rd November. Why didn't you post it (if post it you had to) at the
    time?

    B: How, on this occasion, did you, as a notorious troll, get through
    NIN's troll-busting filters?

    You've apparently posted about thirty recent other posts, purportedly to
    ukrc, none of which got through (the one I'm responding to was first)
    and two or three of which presented only the thread title and the "bad
    article" description?

    A Mercedes van driver who killed a 12-year-old girl as she got off a bus has been jailed for causing death by dangerous driving.
    David Pursglove was driving on Princess Drive in Huyton, Merseyside, when the accident happened. His van hit 12-year-old Lexi McDavid from Huyton, who was given CPR by passengers but died shortly after being admitted to Alder Hey Children's Hospital.

    HOW?

    Assuming the bus was at the kerb to let passengers alight (quite
    normal), how did the van hit her? Was Pursglove travelling along the
    FOOTway, like chavs on chav-bikes do? We'll probably never know.
    Certainly not from this report at least.

    But there's always the good ol' Liverpool Echo:

    [Give a me a second...]

    QUOTE:
    Angela Conlan, prosecuting, told the court how Lexi, 12, had travelled
    on a bus back from Broughton Hall Catholic High School in West Derby.
    She said the bus pulled in and Lexi got off. Ms Conlan said that CCTV
    footage showed Lexi run in front of the bus to cross the road., [sic]
    and "as she entered the second lane [of traffic] she was hit by a van
    being driven by the defendant".

    Lexi suffered fatal injuries and was taken to Alder Hey Children's
    Hospital where she died a short time later. Ms Conlan told the court
    that when the defendant was interviewed by the police he believed he was
    going around 28mph. However, CCTV footage showed Pursglove was
    travelling between 46 and 49mph at the time.
    ENDQUOTE

    Well. that at least explains it. The child ran across the front of the stationary bus to cross the road (all too common, in my experience).

    Had that been all that went wrong, it's hard to see how the driver of
    the van could have been guilty of anything. But Princess Drive is
    limited to 30mph (even on the dual carriageway stretch inside the
    Liverpool boundary, which is where the accident must have happened,
    since that is the only part where there is a "second lane"). And he was
    doing a speed measured at a minimum of 46mph.

    As I remember it, that road used to be a frequent site for the pre-1974 Liverpool and Bootle Constabulary's white Minivan radar traps. I've seen
    a few pulled over along that road (at the northern end, inside the city boundary). It's a pity if they've been stopped in favour of a stationary
    GATSO or something.

    The 35-year-old, of Moorhey Road, Maghull, has now been sentenced for the crash, which happened on June 7, 2022. It took place at 3.30pm, as Lexi made her way to a friend’s house.
    Pursglove pleaded guilty at an earlier hearing at Liverpool & Knowsley Magistrates Court on 3 November this year. On Friday he appeared at Liverpool Crown Court and was sentenced to eight months in prison. He was also disqualified from driving for two
    years and four months.
    Detective Sergeant Kurt Timpson from Merseyside Police's serious collision investigation unit said: “Our thoughts remain very much with Lexi’s parents and the rest of her family at this sad time. They have been supported by specially trained
    family liaison officers throughout the case. I thank those officers for their professionalism and dedication.
    “This has been a very traumatic time for Lexi’s family and I know that the incident has affected so many people in the community. I would like to thank members of the public who rushed to help Lexi that day and who did everything they could to
    help.
    “I would ask that as drivers, we all reflect on how we use our vehicles on the road. Excess speed kills and causes unimaginable harm to people who become involved in road crashes. Not one of us would want to be involved in such incidents and we
    must change driving behaviour to reduce that harm.
    “Merseyside Police are committed to the prevention of road death, to work towards Vision Zero - our strategy focused on driving down the amount of road traffic collisions in our regions and to lower the number of people killed and seriously injured
    on our streets. However, this is something that we must all do in partnership. Communities can also take a stand and help us to make the roads safer. We know how much you want to help us, so that we can ensure roads and shared spaces are used responsibly
    and that people abide by the laws we enforce.”
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/mercedes-van-driver-jailed-for-killing-schoolgirl-lexi-mcdavid-who-was-getting-off-a-bus-in-huyton-merseyside/ar-AA1kT8fS

    But... but... *who* was on the chav-bike?

    Someone MUST have been, otherwise your only recent post to penetrate the
    NIN defences is OFF topic!

    Out of interest, did you manage to evade the NIN troll-busting features
    by writing a troll-enabling app to be used in conjunction with your
    famous Google Groups killfile?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From S Mason@21:1/5 to JNugent on Sat Dec 2 18:40:57 2023
    On Sat, 02 Dec 2023 17:29:01 +0000, JNugent wrote:

    On 02/12/2023 05:06 pm, Simon Mason wrote:

    First things first...

    A: This item is getting to be fairly non-news, in that the reports date
    from 3rd November. Why didn't you post it (if post it you had to) at the time?

    B: How, on this occasion, did you, as a notorious troll, get through
    NIN's troll-busting filters?

    You've apparently posted about thirty recent other posts, purportedly to ukrc, none of which got through (the one I'm responding to was first)
    and two or three of which presented only the thread title and the "bad article" description?

    A Mercedes van driver who killed a 12-year-old girl as she got off a
    bus has been jailed for causing death by dangerous driving.
    David Pursglove was driving on Princess Drive in Huyton, Merseyside,
    when the accident happened. His van hit 12-year-old Lexi McDavid from
    Huyton, who was given CPR by passengers but died shortly after being
    admitted to Alder Hey Children's Hospital.

    HOW?

    Assuming the bus was at the kerb to let passengers alight (quite
    normal), how did the van hit her? Was Pursglove travelling along the
    FOOTway, like chavs on chav-bikes do? We'll probably never know.
    Certainly not from this report at least.

    But there's always the good ol' Liverpool Echo:

    [Give a me a second...]

    QUOTE:
    Angela Conlan, prosecuting, told the court how Lexi, 12, had travelled
    on a bus back from Broughton Hall Catholic High School in West Derby.
    She said the bus pulled in and Lexi got off. Ms Conlan said that CCTV
    footage showed Lexi run in front of the bus to cross the road., [sic]
    and "as she entered the second lane [of traffic] she was hit by a van
    being driven by the defendant".

    Lexi suffered fatal injuries and was taken to Alder Hey Children's
    Hospital where she died a short time later. Ms Conlan told the court
    that when the defendant was interviewed by the police he believed he was going around 28mph. However, CCTV footage showed Pursglove was
    travelling between 46 and 49mph at the time.
    ENDQUOTE

    Well. that at least explains it. The child ran across the front of the stationary bus to cross the road (all too common, in my experience).

    Had that been all that went wrong, it's hard to see how the driver of
    the van could have been guilty of anything. But Princess Drive is
    limited to 30mph (even on the dual carriageway stretch inside the
    Liverpool boundary, which is where the accident must have happened,
    since that is the only part where there is a "second lane"). And he was
    doing a speed measured at a minimum of 46mph.

    As I remember it, that road used to be a frequent site for the pre-1974 Liverpool and Bootle Constabulary's white Minivan radar traps. I've seen
    a few pulled over along that road (at the northern end, inside the city boundary). It's a pity if they've been stopped in favour of a stationary GATSO or something.

    The 35-year-old, of Moorhey Road, Maghull, has now been sentenced for
    the crash, which happened on June 7, 2022. It took place at 3.30pm, as
    Lexi made her way to a friend’s house.
    Pursglove pleaded guilty at an earlier hearing at Liverpool & Knowsley
    Magistrates Court on 3 November this year. On Friday he appeared at
    Liverpool Crown Court and was sentenced to eight months in prison. He
    was also disqualified from driving for two years and four months.
    Detective Sergeant Kurt Timpson from Merseyside Police's serious
    collision investigation unit said: “Our thoughts remain very much with
    Lexi’s parents and the rest of her family at this sad time. They have
    been supported by specially trained family liaison officers throughout
    the case. I thank those officers for their professionalism and
    dedication.
    “This has been a very traumatic time for Lexi’s family and I know that >> the incident has affected so many people in the community. I would
    like to thank members of the public who rushed to help Lexi that day
    and who did everything they could to help.
    “I would ask that as drivers, we all reflect on how we use our vehicles
    on the road. Excess speed kills and causes unimaginable harm to people
    who become involved in road crashes. Not one of us would want to be
    involved in such incidents and we must change driving behaviour to
    reduce that harm.
    “Merseyside Police are committed to the prevention of road death, to
    work towards Vision Zero - our strategy focused on driving down the
    amount of road traffic collisions in our regions and to lower the
    number of people killed and seriously injured on our streets. However,
    this is something that we must all do in partnership. Communities can
    also take a stand and help us to make the roads safer. We know how much
    you want to help us, so that we can ensure roads and shared spaces are
    used responsibly and that people abide by the laws we enforce.”
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/mercedes-van-driver-jailed-for- killing-schoolgirl-lexi-mcdavid-who-was-getting-off-a-bus-in-huyton- merseyside/ar-AA1kT8fS

    But... but... *who* was on the chav-bike?

    Someone MUST have been, otherwise your only recent post to penetrate the
    NIN defences is OFF topic!

    Out of interest, did you manage to evade the NIN troll-busting features
    by writing a troll-enabling app to be used in conjunction with your
    famous Google Groups killfile?

    Nugent is a fucktard child who has grown old. He is a disgrace to elderly right-wing loons everywhere.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to S Mason on Sun Dec 3 01:07:56 2023
    On 02/12/2023 06:40 pm, S Mason wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Dec 2023 17:29:01 +0000, JNugent wrote:

    On 02/12/2023 05:06 pm, Simon Mason wrote:

    First things first...

    A: This item is getting to be fairly non-news, in that the reports date
    from 3rd November. Why didn't you post it (if post it you had to) at the
    time?

    B: How, on this occasion, did you, as a notorious troll, get through
    NIN's troll-busting filters?

    You've apparently posted about thirty recent other posts, purportedly to
    ukrc, none of which got through (the one I'm responding to was first)
    and two or three of which presented only the thread title and the "bad
    article" description?

    A Mercedes van driver who killed a 12-year-old girl as she got off a
    bus has been jailed for causing death by dangerous driving.
    David Pursglove was driving on Princess Drive in Huyton, Merseyside,
    when the accident happened. His van hit 12-year-old Lexi McDavid from
    Huyton, who was given CPR by passengers but died shortly after being
    admitted to Alder Hey Children's Hospital.

    HOW?

    Assuming the bus was at the kerb to let passengers alight (quite
    normal), how did the van hit her? Was Pursglove travelling along the
    FOOTway, like chavs on chav-bikes do? We'll probably never know.
    Certainly not from this report at least.

    But there's always the good ol' Liverpool Echo:

    [Give a me a second...]

    QUOTE:
    Angela Conlan, prosecuting, told the court how Lexi, 12, had travelled
    on a bus back from Broughton Hall Catholic High School in West Derby.
    She said the bus pulled in and Lexi got off. Ms Conlan said that CCTV
    footage showed Lexi run in front of the bus to cross the road., [sic]
    and "as she entered the second lane [of traffic] she was hit by a van
    being driven by the defendant".

    Lexi suffered fatal injuries and was taken to Alder Hey Children's
    Hospital where she died a short time later. Ms Conlan told the court
    that when the defendant was interviewed by the police he believed he was
    going around 28mph. However, CCTV footage showed Pursglove was
    travelling between 46 and 49mph at the time.
    ENDQUOTE

    Well. that at least explains it. The child ran across the front of the
    stationary bus to cross the road (all too common, in my experience).

    Had that been all that went wrong, it's hard to see how the driver of
    the van could have been guilty of anything. But Princess Drive is
    limited to 30mph (even on the dual carriageway stretch inside the
    Liverpool boundary, which is where the accident must have happened,
    since that is the only part where there is a "second lane"). And he was
    doing a speed measured at a minimum of 46mph.

    As I remember it, that road used to be a frequent site for the pre-1974
    Liverpool and Bootle Constabulary's white Minivan radar traps. I've seen
    a few pulled over along that road (at the northern end, inside the city
    boundary). It's a pity if they've been stopped in favour of a stationary
    GATSO or something.

    The 35-year-old, of Moorhey Road, Maghull, has now been sentenced for
    the crash, which happened on June 7, 2022. It took place at 3.30pm, as
    Lexi made her way to a friend’s house.
    Pursglove pleaded guilty at an earlier hearing at Liverpool & Knowsley
    Magistrates Court on 3 November this year. On Friday he appeared at
    Liverpool Crown Court and was sentenced to eight months in prison. He
    was also disqualified from driving for two years and four months.
    Detective Sergeant Kurt Timpson from Merseyside Police's serious
    collision investigation unit said: “Our thoughts remain very much with >>> Lexi’s parents and the rest of her family at this sad time. They have >>> been supported by specially trained family liaison officers throughout
    the case. I thank those officers for their professionalism and
    dedication.
    “This has been a very traumatic time for Lexi’s family and I know that >>> the incident has affected so many people in the community. I would
    like to thank members of the public who rushed to help Lexi that day
    and who did everything they could to help.
    “I would ask that as drivers, we all reflect on how we use our vehicles >>> on the road. Excess speed kills and causes unimaginable harm to people
    who become involved in road crashes. Not one of us would want to be
    involved in such incidents and we must change driving behaviour to
    reduce that harm.
    “Merseyside Police are committed to the prevention of road death, to
    work towards Vision Zero - our strategy focused on driving down the
    amount of road traffic collisions in our regions and to lower the
    number of people killed and seriously injured on our streets. However,
    this is something that we must all do in partnership. Communities can
    also take a stand and help us to make the roads safer. We know how much
    you want to help us, so that we can ensure roads and shared spaces are
    used responsibly and that people abide by the laws we enforce.”
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/mercedes-van-driver-jailed-for-
    killing-schoolgirl-lexi-mcdavid-who-was-getting-off-a-bus-in-huyton- merseyside/ar-AA1kT8fS

    But... but... *who* was on the chav-bike?

    Someone MUST have been, otherwise your only recent post to penetrate the
    NIN defences is OFF topic!

    Out of interest, did you manage to evade the NIN troll-busting features
    by writing a troll-enabling app to be used in conjunction with your
    famous Google Groups killfile?

    Nugent is a fucktard child who has grown old. He is a disgrace to elderly right-wing loons everywhere.

    Ah... so you have dropped that unconvincing pretence to have developed a killfile for Google Groups, then?

    Very wise.

    Absolutely no-one believed you. You just made yourself look silly. Very
    silly.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From S Mason@21:1/5 to JNugent on Sun Dec 3 07:39:25 2023
    On Sun, 03 Dec 2023 01:07:56 +0000, JNugent wrote:

    On 02/12/2023 06:40 pm, S Mason wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Dec 2023 17:29:01 +0000, JNugent wrote:

    On 02/12/2023 05:06 pm, Simon Mason wrote:

    First things first...

    A: This item is getting to be fairly non-news, in that the reports
    date from 3rd November. Why didn't you post it (if post it you had to)
    at the time?

    B: How, on this occasion, did you, as a notorious troll, get through
    NIN's troll-busting filters?

    You've apparently posted about thirty recent other posts, purportedly
    to ukrc, none of which got through (the one I'm responding to was
    first) and two or three of which presented only the thread title and
    the "bad article" description?

    A Mercedes van driver who killed a 12-year-old girl as she got off a
    bus has been jailed for causing death by dangerous driving.
    David Pursglove was driving on Princess Drive in Huyton, Merseyside,
    when the accident happened. His van hit 12-year-old Lexi McDavid from
    Huyton, who was given CPR by passengers but died shortly after being
    admitted to Alder Hey Children's Hospital.

    HOW?

    Assuming the bus was at the kerb to let passengers alight (quite
    normal), how did the van hit her? Was Pursglove travelling along the
    FOOTway, like chavs on chav-bikes do? We'll probably never know.
    Certainly not from this report at least.

    But there's always the good ol' Liverpool Echo:

    [Give a me a second...]

    QUOTE:
    Angela Conlan, prosecuting, told the court how Lexi, 12, had travelled
    on a bus back from Broughton Hall Catholic High School in West Derby.
    She said the bus pulled in and Lexi got off. Ms Conlan said that CCTV
    footage showed Lexi run in front of the bus to cross the road., [sic]
    and "as she entered the second lane [of traffic] she was hit by a van
    being driven by the defendant".

    Lexi suffered fatal injuries and was taken to Alder Hey Children's
    Hospital where she died a short time later. Ms Conlan told the court
    that when the defendant was interviewed by the police he believed he
    was going around 28mph. However, CCTV footage showed Pursglove was
    travelling between 46 and 49mph at the time.
    ENDQUOTE

    Well. that at least explains it. The child ran across the front of the
    stationary bus to cross the road (all too common, in my experience).

    Had that been all that went wrong, it's hard to see how the driver of
    the van could have been guilty of anything. But Princess Drive is
    limited to 30mph (even on the dual carriageway stretch inside the
    Liverpool boundary, which is where the accident must have happened,
    since that is the only part where there is a "second lane"). And he
    was doing a speed measured at a minimum of 46mph.

    As I remember it, that road used to be a frequent site for the
    pre-1974 Liverpool and Bootle Constabulary's white Minivan radar
    traps. I've seen a few pulled over along that road (at the northern
    end, inside the city boundary). It's a pity if they've been stopped in
    favour of a stationary GATSO or something.

    The 35-year-old, of Moorhey Road, Maghull, has now been sentenced for
    the crash, which happened on June 7, 2022. It took place at 3.30pm,
    as Lexi made her way to a friend’s house.
    Pursglove pleaded guilty at an earlier hearing at Liverpool &
    Knowsley Magistrates Court on 3 November this year. On Friday he
    appeared at Liverpool Crown Court and was sentenced to eight months
    in prison. He was also disqualified from driving for two years and
    four months. Detective Sergeant Kurt Timpson from Merseyside Police's
    serious collision investigation unit said: “Our thoughts remain very >>>> much with Lexi’s parents and the rest of her family at this sad time. >>>> They have been supported by specially trained family liaison
    officers throughout the case. I thank those officers for their
    professionalism and dedication.
    “This has been a very traumatic time for Lexi’s family and I know
    that the incident has affected so many people in the community. I
    would like to thank members of the public who rushed to help Lexi
    that day and who did everything they could to help.
    “I would ask that as drivers, we all reflect on how we use our
    vehicles on the road. Excess speed kills and causes unimaginable
    harm to people who become involved in road crashes. Not one of us
    would want to be involved in such incidents and we must change
    driving behaviour to reduce that harm.
    “Merseyside Police are committed to the prevention of road death, to >>>> work towards Vision Zero - our strategy focused on driving down the
    amount of road traffic collisions in our regions and to lower the
    number of people killed and seriously injured on our streets.
    However, this is something that we must all do in partnership.
    Communities can also take a stand and help us to make the roads
    safer. We know how much you want to help us, so that we can ensure
    roads and shared spaces are used responsibly and that people abide by
    the laws we enforce.”
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/mercedes-van-driver-jailed-for-
    killing-schoolgirl-lexi-mcdavid-who-was-getting-off-a-bus-in-huyton-
    merseyside/ar-AA1kT8fS

    But... but... *who* was on the chav-bike?

    Someone MUST have been, otherwise your only recent post to penetrate
    the NIN defences is OFF topic!

    Out of interest, did you manage to evade the NIN troll-busting
    features by writing a troll-enabling app to be used in conjunction
    with your famous Google Groups killfile?

    Nugent is a fucktard child who has grown old. He is a disgrace to
    elderly right-wing loons everywhere.

    Ah... so you have dropped that unconvincing pretence to have developed a killfile for Google Groups, then?

    Very wise.

    Absolutely no-one believed you. You just made yourself look silly. Very silly.

    Nugent is a fucktard child who has grown old. He is a disgrace to elderly right-wing loons everywhere.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to S Mason on Sun Dec 3 11:48:46 2023
    On 03/12/2023 07:39 am, S Mason wrote:
    On Sun, 03 Dec 2023 01:07:56 +0000, JNugent wrote:

    On 02/12/2023 06:40 pm, S Mason wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Dec 2023 17:29:01 +0000, JNugent wrote:

    On 02/12/2023 05:06 pm, Simon Mason wrote:

    First things first...

    A: This item is getting to be fairly non-news, in that the reports
    date from 3rd November. Why didn't you post it (if post it you had to) >>>> at the time?

    B: How, on this occasion, did you, as a notorious troll, get through
    NIN's troll-busting filters?

    You've apparently posted about thirty recent other posts, purportedly
    to ukrc, none of which got through (the one I'm responding to was
    first) and two or three of which presented only the thread title and
    the "bad article" description?

    A Mercedes van driver who killed a 12-year-old girl as she got off a >>>>> bus has been jailed for causing death by dangerous driving.
    David Pursglove was driving on Princess Drive in Huyton, Merseyside, >>>>> when the accident happened. His van hit 12-year-old Lexi McDavid from >>>>> Huyton, who was given CPR by passengers but died shortly after being >>>>> admitted to Alder Hey Children's Hospital.

    HOW?

    Assuming the bus was at the kerb to let passengers alight (quite
    normal), how did the van hit her? Was Pursglove travelling along the
    FOOTway, like chavs on chav-bikes do? We'll probably never know.
    Certainly not from this report at least.

    But there's always the good ol' Liverpool Echo:

    [Give a me a second...]

    QUOTE:
    Angela Conlan, prosecuting, told the court how Lexi, 12, had travelled >>>> on a bus back from Broughton Hall Catholic High School in West Derby.
    She said the bus pulled in and Lexi got off. Ms Conlan said that CCTV
    footage showed Lexi run in front of the bus to cross the road., [sic]
    and "as she entered the second lane [of traffic] she was hit by a van
    being driven by the defendant".

    Lexi suffered fatal injuries and was taken to Alder Hey Children's
    Hospital where she died a short time later. Ms Conlan told the court
    that when the defendant was interviewed by the police he believed he
    was going around 28mph. However, CCTV footage showed Pursglove was
    travelling between 46 and 49mph at the time.
    ENDQUOTE

    Well. that at least explains it. The child ran across the front of the >>>> stationary bus to cross the road (all too common, in my experience).

    Had that been all that went wrong, it's hard to see how the driver of
    the van could have been guilty of anything. But Princess Drive is
    limited to 30mph (even on the dual carriageway stretch inside the
    Liverpool boundary, which is where the accident must have happened,
    since that is the only part where there is a "second lane"). And he
    was doing a speed measured at a minimum of 46mph.

    As I remember it, that road used to be a frequent site for the
    pre-1974 Liverpool and Bootle Constabulary's white Minivan radar
    traps. I've seen a few pulled over along that road (at the northern
    end, inside the city boundary). It's a pity if they've been stopped in >>>> favour of a stationary GATSO or something.

    The 35-year-old, of Moorhey Road, Maghull, has now been sentenced for >>>>> the crash, which happened on June 7, 2022. It took place at 3.30pm,
    as Lexi made her way to a friend’s house.
    Pursglove pleaded guilty at an earlier hearing at Liverpool &
    Knowsley Magistrates Court on 3 November this year. On Friday he
    appeared at Liverpool Crown Court and was sentenced to eight months
    in prison. He was also disqualified from driving for two years and
    four months. Detective Sergeant Kurt Timpson from Merseyside Police's >>>>> serious collision investigation unit said: “Our thoughts remain very >>>>> much with Lexi’s parents and the rest of her family at this sad time. >>>>> They have been supported by specially trained family liaison
    officers throughout the case. I thank those officers for their
    professionalism and dedication.
    “This has been a very traumatic time for Lexi’s family and I know >>>>> that the incident has affected so many people in the community. I
    would like to thank members of the public who rushed to help Lexi
    that day and who did everything they could to help.
    “I would ask that as drivers, we all reflect on how we use our
    vehicles on the road. Excess speed kills and causes unimaginable
    harm to people who become involved in road crashes. Not one of us
    would want to be involved in such incidents and we must change
    driving behaviour to reduce that harm.
    “Merseyside Police are committed to the prevention of road death, to >>>>> work towards Vision Zero - our strategy focused on driving down the
    amount of road traffic collisions in our regions and to lower the
    number of people killed and seriously injured on our streets.
    However, this is something that we must all do in partnership.
    Communities can also take a stand and help us to make the roads
    safer. We know how much you want to help us, so that we can ensure
    roads and shared spaces are used responsibly and that people abide by >>>>> the laws we enforce.”
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/mercedes-van-driver-jailed-for-
    killing-schoolgirl-lexi-mcdavid-who-was-getting-off-a-bus-in-huyton-
    merseyside/ar-AA1kT8fS

    But... but... *who* was on the chav-bike?

    Someone MUST have been, otherwise your only recent post to penetrate
    the NIN defences is OFF topic!

    Out of interest, did you manage to evade the NIN troll-busting
    features by writing a troll-enabling app to be used in conjunction
    with your famous Google Groups killfile?

    Nugent is a fucktard child who has grown old. He is a disgrace to
    elderly right-wing loons everywhere.

    Ah... so you have dropped that unconvincing pretence to have developed a
    killfile for Google Groups, then?

    Very wise.

    Absolutely no-one believed you. You just made yourself look silly. Very
    silly.

    Nugent is a fucktard child who has grown old. He is a disgrace to elderly right-wing loons everywhere.

    What a change has overcome May Sun!

    A couple of weeks ago, and under the very same soubriquet (look it up,
    May Sun), he posted to uk.d-i-y and when challenged, denied being May
    Sun, utilising a string of childish fourth form-invective just as he
    does above.

    May Sun is, of course, a constantly off-topic *troll* in uk.r.c.

    It is highly appropriate that News Individual Net's anti-troll defences
    had shut him out of its server. After all, what business does he even
    have in having his posts circulated by a university (sorry for the five syllable word)?

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  • From S Mason@21:1/5 to JNugent on Sun Dec 3 12:30:46 2023
    On Sun, 03 Dec 2023 11:48:46 +0000, JNugent wrote:

    On 03/12/2023 07:39 am, S Mason wrote:
    On Sun, 03 Dec 2023 01:07:56 +0000, JNugent wrote:

    On 02/12/2023 06:40 pm, S Mason wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Dec 2023 17:29:01 +0000, JNugent wrote:

    On 02/12/2023 05:06 pm, Simon Mason wrote:

    First things first...

    A: This item is getting to be fairly non-news, in that the reports
    date from 3rd November. Why didn't you post it (if post it you had
    to)
    at the time?

    B: How, on this occasion, did you, as a notorious troll, get through >>>>> NIN's troll-busting filters?

    You've apparently posted about thirty recent other posts,
    purportedly to ukrc, none of which got through (the one I'm
    responding to was first) and two or three of which presented only
    the thread title and the "bad article" description?

    A Mercedes van driver who killed a 12-year-old girl as she got off >>>>>> a bus has been jailed for causing death by dangerous driving.
    David Pursglove was driving on Princess Drive in Huyton,
    Merseyside, when the accident happened. His van hit 12-year-old
    Lexi McDavid from Huyton, who was given CPR by passengers but died >>>>>> shortly after being admitted to Alder Hey Children's Hospital.

    HOW?

    Assuming the bus was at the kerb to let passengers alight (quite
    normal), how did the van hit her? Was Pursglove travelling along the >>>>> FOOTway, like chavs on chav-bikes do? We'll probably never know.
    Certainly not from this report at least.

    But there's always the good ol' Liverpool Echo:

    [Give a me a second...]

    QUOTE:
    Angela Conlan, prosecuting, told the court how Lexi, 12, had
    travelled on a bus back from Broughton Hall Catholic High School in
    West Derby. She said the bus pulled in and Lexi got off. Ms Conlan
    said that CCTV footage showed Lexi run in front of the bus to cross
    the road., [sic] and "as she entered the second lane [of traffic]
    she was hit by a van being driven by the defendant".

    Lexi suffered fatal injuries and was taken to Alder Hey Children's
    Hospital where she died a short time later. Ms Conlan told the court >>>>> that when the defendant was interviewed by the police he believed he >>>>> was going around 28mph. However, CCTV footage showed Pursglove was
    travelling between 46 and 49mph at the time.
    ENDQUOTE

    Well. that at least explains it. The child ran across the front of
    the stationary bus to cross the road (all too common, in my
    experience).

    Had that been all that went wrong, it's hard to see how the driver
    of the van could have been guilty of anything. But Princess Drive is >>>>> limited to 30mph (even on the dual carriageway stretch inside the
    Liverpool boundary, which is where the accident must have happened,
    since that is the only part where there is a "second lane"). And he
    was doing a speed measured at a minimum of 46mph.

    As I remember it, that road used to be a frequent site for the
    pre-1974 Liverpool and Bootle Constabulary's white Minivan radar
    traps. I've seen a few pulled over along that road (at the northern
    end, inside the city boundary). It's a pity if they've been stopped
    in favour of a stationary GATSO or something.

    The 35-year-old, of Moorhey Road, Maghull, has now been sentenced
    for the crash, which happened on June 7, 2022. It took place at
    3.30pm,
    as Lexi made her way to a friend’s house.
    Pursglove pleaded guilty at an earlier hearing at Liverpool &
    Knowsley Magistrates Court on 3 November this year. On Friday he
    appeared at Liverpool Crown Court and was sentenced to eight months >>>>>> in prison. He was also disqualified from driving for two years and >>>>>> four months. Detective Sergeant Kurt Timpson from Merseyside
    Police's serious collision investigation unit said: “Our thoughts >>>>>> remain very much with Lexi’s parents and the rest of her family at >>>>>> this sad time.
    They have been supported by specially trained family liaison
    officers throughout the case. I thank those officers for their
    professionalism and dedication.
    “This has been a very traumatic time for Lexi’s family and I know >>>>>> that the incident has affected so many people in the community. I >>>>>> would like to thank members of the public who rushed to help Lexi
    that day and who did everything they could to help.
    “I would ask that as drivers, we all reflect on how we use our
    vehicles on the road. Excess speed kills and causes unimaginable
    harm to people who become involved in road crashes. Not one of us >>>>>> would want to be involved in such incidents and we must change
    driving behaviour to reduce that harm.
    “Merseyside Police are committed to the prevention of road death, >>>>>> to work towards Vision Zero - our strategy focused on driving down >>>>>> the amount of road traffic collisions in our regions and to lower
    the number of people killed and seriously injured on our streets.
    However, this is something that we must all do in partnership.
    Communities can also take a stand and help us to make the roads
    safer. We know how much you want to help us, so that we can ensure >>>>>> roads and shared spaces are used responsibly and that people abide >>>>>> by the laws we enforce.”
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/mercedes-van-driver-jailed-
    for-
    killing-schoolgirl-lexi-mcdavid-who-was-getting-off-a-bus-in-huyton-
    merseyside/ar-AA1kT8fS

    But... but... *who* was on the chav-bike?

    Someone MUST have been, otherwise your only recent post to penetrate >>>>> the NIN defences is OFF topic!

    Out of interest, did you manage to evade the NIN troll-busting
    features by writing a troll-enabling app to be used in conjunction
    with your famous Google Groups killfile?

    Nugent is a fucktard child who has grown old. He is a disgrace to
    elderly right-wing loons everywhere.

    Ah... so you have dropped that unconvincing pretence to have developed
    a killfile for Google Groups, then?

    Very wise.

    Absolutely no-one believed you. You just made yourself look silly.
    Very silly.

    Nugent is a fucktard child who has grown old. He is a disgrace to
    elderly right-wing loons everywhere.

    What a change has overcome May Sun!

    A couple of weeks ago, and under the very same soubriquet (look it up,
    May Sun), he posted to uk.d-i-y and when challenged, denied being May
    Sun, utilising a string of childish fourth form-invective just as he
    does above.

    May Sun is, of course, a constantly off-topic *troll* in uk.r.c.

    It is highly appropriate that News Individual Net's anti-troll defences
    had shut him out of its server. After all, what business does he even
    have in having his posts circulated by a university (sorry for the five syllable word)?

    Your wonderful NIN filter is helping you to be even more poorly informed
    than you otherwise would be.

    Did I call you a 'stupid cunt' on uk.d-i-y?

    Just in case I didn't:

    You stupid Cunt!

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to S Mason on Sun Dec 3 13:51:13 2023
    On 03/12/2023 12:30 pm, S Mason wrote:
    On Sun, 03 Dec 2023 11:48:46 +0000, JNugent wrote:

    On 03/12/2023 07:39 am, S Mason wrote:
    On Sun, 03 Dec 2023 01:07:56 +0000, JNugent wrote:

    On 02/12/2023 06:40 pm, S Mason wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Dec 2023 17:29:01 +0000, JNugent wrote:

    On 02/12/2023 05:06 pm, Simon Mason wrote:

    First things first...

    A: This item is getting to be fairly non-news, in that the reports >>>>>> date from 3rd November. Why didn't you post it (if post it you had >>>>>> to)
    at the time?

    B: How, on this occasion, did you, as a notorious troll, get through >>>>>> NIN's troll-busting filters?

    You've apparently posted about thirty recent other posts,
    purportedly to ukrc, none of which got through (the one I'm
    responding to was first) and two or three of which presented only
    the thread title and the "bad article" description?

    A Mercedes van driver who killed a 12-year-old girl as she got off >>>>>>> a bus has been jailed for causing death by dangerous driving.
    David Pursglove was driving on Princess Drive in Huyton,
    Merseyside, when the accident happened. His van hit 12-year-old
    Lexi McDavid from Huyton, who was given CPR by passengers but died >>>>>>> shortly after being admitted to Alder Hey Children's Hospital.

    HOW?

    Assuming the bus was at the kerb to let passengers alight (quite
    normal), how did the van hit her? Was Pursglove travelling along the >>>>>> FOOTway, like chavs on chav-bikes do? We'll probably never know.
    Certainly not from this report at least.

    But there's always the good ol' Liverpool Echo:

    [Give a me a second...]

    QUOTE:
    Angela Conlan, prosecuting, told the court how Lexi, 12, had
    travelled on a bus back from Broughton Hall Catholic High School in >>>>>> West Derby. She said the bus pulled in and Lexi got off. Ms Conlan >>>>>> said that CCTV footage showed Lexi run in front of the bus to cross >>>>>> the road., [sic] and "as she entered the second lane [of traffic]
    she was hit by a van being driven by the defendant".

    Lexi suffered fatal injuries and was taken to Alder Hey Children's >>>>>> Hospital where she died a short time later. Ms Conlan told the court >>>>>> that when the defendant was interviewed by the police he believed he >>>>>> was going around 28mph. However, CCTV footage showed Pursglove was >>>>>> travelling between 46 and 49mph at the time.
    ENDQUOTE

    Well. that at least explains it. The child ran across the front of >>>>>> the stationary bus to cross the road (all too common, in my
    experience).

    Had that been all that went wrong, it's hard to see how the driver >>>>>> of the van could have been guilty of anything. But Princess Drive is >>>>>> limited to 30mph (even on the dual carriageway stretch inside the
    Liverpool boundary, which is where the accident must have happened, >>>>>> since that is the only part where there is a "second lane"). And he >>>>>> was doing a speed measured at a minimum of 46mph.

    As I remember it, that road used to be a frequent site for the
    pre-1974 Liverpool and Bootle Constabulary's white Minivan radar
    traps. I've seen a few pulled over along that road (at the northern >>>>>> end, inside the city boundary). It's a pity if they've been stopped >>>>>> in favour of a stationary GATSO or something.

    The 35-year-old, of Moorhey Road, Maghull, has now been sentenced >>>>>>> for the crash, which happened on June 7, 2022. It took place at
    3.30pm,
    as Lexi made her way to a friend’s house.
    Pursglove pleaded guilty at an earlier hearing at Liverpool &
    Knowsley Magistrates Court on 3 November this year. On Friday he >>>>>>> appeared at Liverpool Crown Court and was sentenced to eight months >>>>>>> in prison. He was also disqualified from driving for two years and >>>>>>> four months. Detective Sergeant Kurt Timpson from Merseyside
    Police's serious collision investigation unit said: “Our thoughts >>>>>>> remain very much with Lexi’s parents and the rest of her family at >>>>>>> this sad time.
    They have been supported by specially trained family liaison
    officers throughout the case. I thank those officers for their
    professionalism and dedication.
    “This has been a very traumatic time for Lexi’s family and I know >>>>>>> that the incident has affected so many people in the community. I >>>>>>> would like to thank members of the public who rushed to help Lexi >>>>>>> that day and who did everything they could to help.
    “I would ask that as drivers, we all reflect on how we use our >>>>>>> vehicles on the road. Excess speed kills and causes unimaginable >>>>>>> harm to people who become involved in road crashes. Not one of us >>>>>>> would want to be involved in such incidents and we must change
    driving behaviour to reduce that harm.
    “Merseyside Police are committed to the prevention of road death, >>>>>>> to work towards Vision Zero - our strategy focused on driving down >>>>>>> the amount of road traffic collisions in our regions and to lower >>>>>>> the number of people killed and seriously injured on our streets. >>>>>>> However, this is something that we must all do in partnership.
    Communities can also take a stand and help us to make the roads
    safer. We know how much you want to help us, so that we can ensure >>>>>>> roads and shared spaces are used responsibly and that people abide >>>>>>> by the laws we enforce.”
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/mercedes-van-driver-jailed-
    for-
    killing-schoolgirl-lexi-mcdavid-who-was-getting-off-a-bus-in-huyton- >>>>> merseyside/ar-AA1kT8fS

    But... but... *who* was on the chav-bike?

    Someone MUST have been, otherwise your only recent post to penetrate >>>>>> the NIN defences is OFF topic!

    Out of interest, did you manage to evade the NIN troll-busting
    features by writing a troll-enabling app to be used in conjunction >>>>>> with your famous Google Groups killfile?

    Nugent is a fucktard child who has grown old. He is a disgrace to
    elderly right-wing loons everywhere.

    Ah... so you have dropped that unconvincing pretence to have developed >>>> a killfile for Google Groups, then?

    Very wise.

    Absolutely no-one believed you. You just made yourself look silly.
    Very silly.

    Nugent is a fucktard child who has grown old. He is a disgrace to
    elderly right-wing loons everywhere.

    What a change has overcome May Sun!

    A couple of weeks ago, and under the very same soubriquet (look it up,
    May Sun), he posted to uk.d-i-y and when challenged, denied being May
    Sun, utilising a string of childish fourth form-invective just as he
    does above.

    May Sun is, of course, a constantly off-topic *troll* in uk.r.c.

    It is highly appropriate that News Individual Net's anti-troll defences
    had shut him out of its server. After all, what business does he even
    have in having his posts circulated by a university (sorry for the five
    syllable word)?

    Your wonderful NIN filter is helping you to be even more poorly informed
    than you otherwise would be.

    Did I call you a 'stupid cunt' on uk.d-i-y?

    Just in case I didn't:

    You stupid Cunt!

    OK, you're just as childish and stupid as ever you were, but at least
    you are now in conversational mode (of a sort), instead of being stuck
    in "transmit".

    And you have dropped the pretence of having written a "killfile for
    Google Groups" (chuckle!).

    You are still an off-topic troll in uk.r.c and have no business being
    here in among the adults.

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