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    From Spike@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 16 08:56:03 2023
    Council “escalates war on cycling menaces” with new town centre ban, saying: “We will not stop until we eradicate this behaviour”

    The local authority says residents are “overwhelmingly in support of
    tougher action” against people riding bikes in pedestrianised zones

    by RYAN MALLON THU, DEC 14, 2023 16:23

    A local council says it has “escalated” and “intensified” its “war on cycling menaces” by implementing a complete ban on riding a bike in pedestrianised zones, as part of a wider crackdown on anti-social
    behaviour.

    North Lincolnshire Council announced this week (link is external) that a
    new Public Spaces Protection Order (PSPO) is now in place in Scunthorpe and Brigg, following a public consultation earlier this year, introducing
    stronger powers and increasing fines for what the local authority describes
    as the “scourge” of “irresponsible behaviour”.

    In Scunthorpe and Brigg town centres, cycling is now completely banned,
    with anyone caught riding a bike in pedestrianised areas set to be
    immediately handed a fixed penalty notice of £100. According to the
    previous PSPO, cyclists could only be fined if they refused to dismount
    when approached by an officer.

    The total cycling ban comes as part of a suite of toughened anti-social measures, which also include the outright ban of drinking in the street and greatly increased fines for littering, fly-tipping, neglecting waste duty
    of care, and graffiti.

    “They will just not listen nor learn”: Council proposes all-out cycling ban in town centres to tackle “nuisance within communities”

    “We will not stop until we eradicate this behaviour,” Rob Waltham, the leader of the Conservative-controlled North Lincolnshire Council said in a statement, issued under the headline “Council triples fines as war on fly-tippers, litter louts, and cycling menaces intensifies”.

    “People need to use one of the thousands of bins provided, get off their bikes and push, or dispose of their household waste responsibly – it really is not that difficult.

    “We have repeatedly asked people to stop doing these things, we have repeatedly told them how their behaviour impacts on others and, while we
    are starting to see some changes, it is clearly not enough. Local taxpayers will not pick up the bill for irresponsible behaviour.”

    John Davidson, the local authority’s cabinet member for communities and
    urban added: “We consulted earlier in the year on stronger measures to
    tackle the scourge of anti-social behaviour and the response from the
    public was overwhelmingly in support of tougher action.

    “The vast majority of people don’t make the area a mess for others or cause problems – but for the few that do we are going to hit them even harder in the pocket, clearly they have not listened to our requests, pleas, and
    demands.

    “The Government provided the opportunity for us to increase the fines for these offences, residents have supported us, and we have done.”

    However, when the public consultation was launched earlier this year, the proposed ban was heavily criticised by disabled cycling charity Wheels for Wellbeing, who argued that they had the potential to “deepen discrimination against cycling as a mobility aid”.

    Nevertheless, Waltham maintained that the PSPO “has enabled us to protect vulnerable communities by targeting anyone creating a nuisance or putting themselves and others in danger”.

    “The new measures will enhance those protections and I make absolutely no apologies for doing so,” he said.

    Cyclists warned city's new e-bike ban will be "clamping down on any cases
    of reckless behaviour"

    The newly implemented cycling ban in Scunthorpe and Brigg is one of many
    that have come into force in town centres and pedestrianised zones across
    the UK in recent years.

    Earlier this month, a controversial ban on e-bikes in certain
    pedestrianised parts of Coventry city centre was introduced, with the
    deputy leader of the council warning that riders can expect strict
    enforcement.

    The new ruling, which prohibits e-bikes and e-scooters being ridden through sections of the city centre, was approved last month, as Coventry City
    Council passed a PSPO despite protestations from the West Midlands’ walking and cycling commissioner Adam Tranter, who argued such a ban would “discourage cycling and penalise responsible cyclists”.

    Last February cyclists in Bedford staged a ride protesting a “discriminatory” town centre bike ban, while this summer Hammersmith and Fulham Council introduced an e-bike and e-scooter ban along part of the
    Thames Path.

    More cyclists fined for riding bikes through town centre – months on from rider ordered to pay £1,100

    A pensioner in Grimsby also made headlines when he told the council to
    stick its £100 fine for cycling in the town centre “up your a***”, saying he would “rather go to prison than give them £100”.

    That particular town centre ban in Grimsby has attracted quite a bit of attention in recent times, with some locals accusing the council of
    targeting the “old and slow” and cyclists “they can get away with” for fines.

    Wheels for Wellbeing, while criticising a councillor’s “get off and walk” advice to town centre cyclists, also called for clearer signage which specifically states that people who use standard cycles as mobility aids
    are permitted to ride in pedestrianised zones, which they say will both reassure disabled cyclists and help reduce the risk of confrontation
    between pedestrians and people on bikes.

    And last month, police in Nuneaton said they had asked the council to
    introduce a no cycle zone to cut out “really dangerous” cycling and “anti-social behaviour” in the shopping area, saying that “we get a lot of
    kids wheelie-ing through and it sets the wrong tone”.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Spike on Sat Dec 16 15:42:29 2023
    On 16/12/2023 08:56 am, Spike wrote:

    Council “escalates war on cycling menaces” with new town centre ban, saying: “We will not stop until we eradicate this behaviour”

    The local authority says residents are “overwhelmingly in support of tougher action” against people riding bikes in pedestrianised zones

    by RYAN MALLON THU, DEC 14, 2023 16:23

    A local council says it has “escalated” and “intensified” its “war on
    cycling menaces” by implementing a complete ban on riding a bike in pedestrianised zones, as part of a wider crackdown on anti-social
    behaviour.

    North Lincolnshire Council announced this week (link is external) that a
    new Public Spaces Protection Order (PSPO) is now in place in Scunthorpe and Brigg, following a public consultation earlier this year, introducing stronger powers and increasing fines for what the local authority describes as the “scourge” of “irresponsible behaviour”.

    In Scunthorpe and Brigg town centres, cycling is now completely banned,
    with anyone caught riding a bike in pedestrianised areas set to be immediately handed a fixed penalty notice of £100. According to the
    previous PSPO, cyclists could only be fined if they refused to dismount
    when approached by an officer.

    The total cycling ban comes as part of a suite of toughened anti-social measures, which also include the outright ban of drinking in the street and greatly increased fines for littering, fly-tipping, neglecting waste duty
    of care, and graffiti.

    “They will just not listen nor learn”: Council proposes all-out cycling ban
    in town centres to tackle “nuisance within communities”

    “We will not stop until we eradicate this behaviour,” Rob Waltham, the leader of the Conservative-controlled North Lincolnshire Council said in a statement, issued under the headline “Council triples fines as war on fly-tippers, litter louts, and cycling menaces intensifies”.

    “People need to use one of the thousands of bins provided, get off their bikes and push, or dispose of their household waste responsibly – it really is not that difficult.

    “We have repeatedly asked people to stop doing these things, we have repeatedly told them how their behaviour impacts on others and, while we
    are starting to see some changes, it is clearly not enough. Local taxpayers will not pick up the bill for irresponsible behaviour.”

    John Davidson, the local authority’s cabinet member for communities and urban added: “We consulted earlier in the year on stronger measures to tackle the scourge of anti-social behaviour and the response from the
    public was overwhelmingly in support of tougher action.

    “The vast majority of people don’t make the area a mess for others or cause
    problems – but for the few that do we are going to hit them even harder in the pocket, clearly they have not listened to our requests, pleas, and demands.

    “The Government provided the opportunity for us to increase the fines for these offences, residents have supported us, and we have done.”

    However, when the public consultation was launched earlier this year, the proposed ban was heavily criticised by disabled cycling charity Wheels for Wellbeing, who argued that they had the potential to “deepen discrimination against cycling as a mobility aid”.

    Nevertheless, Waltham maintained that the PSPO “has enabled us to protect vulnerable communities by targeting anyone creating a nuisance or putting themselves and others in danger”.

    “The new measures will enhance those protections and I make absolutely no apologies for doing so,” he said.

    Cyclists warned city's new e-bike ban will be "clamping down on any cases
    of reckless behaviour"

    The newly implemented cycling ban in Scunthorpe and Brigg is one of many
    that have come into force in town centres and pedestrianised zones across
    the UK in recent years.

    Earlier this month, a controversial ban on e-bikes in certain
    pedestrianised parts of Coventry city centre was introduced, with the
    deputy leader of the council warning that riders can expect strict enforcement.

    The new ruling, which prohibits e-bikes and e-scooters being ridden through sections of the city centre, was approved last month, as Coventry City Council passed a PSPO despite protestations from the West Midlands’ walking and cycling commissioner Adam Tranter, who argued such a ban would “discourage cycling and penalise responsible cyclists”.

    Last February cyclists in Bedford staged a ride protesting a “discriminatory” town centre bike ban, while this summer Hammersmith and Fulham Council introduced an e-bike and e-scooter ban along part of the Thames Path.

    More cyclists fined for riding bikes through town centre – months on from >> rider ordered to pay £1,100

    A pensioner in Grimsby also made headlines when he told the council to
    stick its £100 fine for cycling in the town centre “up your a***”, saying
    he would “rather go to prison than give them £100”.

    Has Doug moved to Grimsby?

    That particular town centre ban in Grimsby has attracted quite a bit of attention in recent times, with some locals accusing the council of
    targeting the “old and slow” and cyclists “they can get away with” for
    fines.

    Wheels for Wellbeing, while criticising a councillor’s “get off and walk”
    advice to town centre cyclists, also called for clearer signage which specifically states that people who use standard cycles as mobility aids
    are permitted to ride in pedestrianised zones, which they say will both reassure disabled cyclists and help reduce the risk of confrontation
    between pedestrians and people on bikes.

    And last month, police in Nuneaton said they had asked the council to introduce a no cycle zone to cut out “really dangerous” cycling and “anti-social behaviour” in the shopping area, saying that “we get a lot of
    kids wheelie-ing through and it sets the wrong tone”.

    <https://road.cc/content/news/council-escalates-war-cycling-menaces-ban-305667#block-node-comment-block-node-comments>

    It's good to see a politician standing up for pedestrians in
    pedestrian-only zones and on pedestrian-only routes (such as FOOTways).

    A refreshing change.

    It's time for chav-cyclists on their chav-bikes to get back under the
    stones from whence they crawled.

    PS: Unlike the posts of certain others, Spike, your post was 100%
    ON-topic for uk.rec.cycling!

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to JNugent on Sat Dec 16 15:55:21 2023
    JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
    On 16/12/2023 08:56 am, Spike wrote:

    Council “escalates war on cycling menaces” with new town centre ban,
    saying: “We will not stop until we eradicate this behaviour”

    The local authority says residents are “overwhelmingly in support of
    tougher action” against people riding bikes in pedestrianised zones

    by RYAN MALLON THU, DEC 14, 2023 16:23

    A local council says it has “escalated” and “intensified” its “war on
    cycling menaces” by implementing a complete ban on riding a bike in
    pedestrianised zones, as part of a wider crackdown on anti-social
    behaviour.

    North Lincolnshire Council announced this week (link is external) that a
    new Public Spaces Protection Order (PSPO) is now in place in Scunthorpe and >> Brigg, following a public consultation earlier this year, introducing
    stronger powers and increasing fines for what the local authority describes >> as the “scourge” of “irresponsible behaviour”.

    In Scunthorpe and Brigg town centres, cycling is now completely banned,
    with anyone caught riding a bike in pedestrianised areas set to be
    immediately handed a fixed penalty notice of £100. According to the
    previous PSPO, cyclists could only be fined if they refused to dismount
    when approached by an officer.

    The total cycling ban comes as part of a suite of toughened anti-social
    measures, which also include the outright ban of drinking in the street and >> greatly increased fines for littering, fly-tipping, neglecting waste duty
    of care, and graffiti.

    “They will just not listen nor learn”: Council proposes all-out cycling ban
    in town centres to tackle “nuisance within communities”

    “We will not stop until we eradicate this behaviour,” Rob Waltham, the >> leader of the Conservative-controlled North Lincolnshire Council said in a >> statement, issued under the headline “Council triples fines as war on
    fly-tippers, litter louts, and cycling menaces intensifies”.

    “People need to use one of the thousands of bins provided, get off their >> bikes and push, or dispose of their household waste responsibly – it really
    is not that difficult.

    “We have repeatedly asked people to stop doing these things, we have
    repeatedly told them how their behaviour impacts on others and, while we
    are starting to see some changes, it is clearly not enough. Local taxpayers >> will not pick up the bill for irresponsible behaviour.”

    John Davidson, the local authority’s cabinet member for communities and
    urban added: “We consulted earlier in the year on stronger measures to
    tackle the scourge of anti-social behaviour and the response from the
    public was overwhelmingly in support of tougher action.

    “The vast majority of people don’t make the area a mess for others or cause
    problems – but for the few that do we are going to hit them even harder in >> the pocket, clearly they have not listened to our requests, pleas, and
    demands.

    “The Government provided the opportunity for us to increase the fines for >> these offences, residents have supported us, and we have done.”

    However, when the public consultation was launched earlier this year, the
    proposed ban was heavily criticised by disabled cycling charity Wheels for >> Wellbeing, who argued that they had the potential to “deepen discrimination
    against cycling as a mobility aid”.

    Nevertheless, Waltham maintained that the PSPO “has enabled us to protect >> vulnerable communities by targeting anyone creating a nuisance or putting
    themselves and others in danger”.

    “The new measures will enhance those protections and I make absolutely no >> apologies for doing so,” he said.

    Cyclists warned city's new e-bike ban will be "clamping down on any cases
    of reckless behaviour"

    The newly implemented cycling ban in Scunthorpe and Brigg is one of many
    that have come into force in town centres and pedestrianised zones across
    the UK in recent years.

    Earlier this month, a controversial ban on e-bikes in certain
    pedestrianised parts of Coventry city centre was introduced, with the
    deputy leader of the council warning that riders can expect strict
    enforcement.

    The new ruling, which prohibits e-bikes and e-scooters being ridden through >> sections of the city centre, was approved last month, as Coventry City
    Council passed a PSPO despite protestations from the West Midlands’ walking
    and cycling commissioner Adam Tranter, who argued such a ban would
    “discourage cycling and penalise responsible cyclists”.

    Last February cyclists in Bedford staged a ride protesting a
    “discriminatory” town centre bike ban, while this summer Hammersmith and >> Fulham Council introduced an e-bike and e-scooter ban along part of the
    Thames Path.

    More cyclists fined for riding bikes through town centre – months on from >>> rider ordered to pay £1,100

    A pensioner in Grimsby also made headlines when he told the council to
    stick its £100 fine for cycling in the town centre “up your a***”, saying
    he would “rather go to prison than give them £100”.

    Has Doug moved to Grimsby?

    That particular town centre ban in Grimsby has attracted quite a bit of
    attention in recent times, with some locals accusing the council of
    targeting the “old and slow” and cyclists “they can get away with” for
    fines.

    Wheels for Wellbeing, while criticising a councillor’s “get off and walk”
    advice to town centre cyclists, also called for clearer signage which
    specifically states that people who use standard cycles as mobility aids
    are permitted to ride in pedestrianised zones, which they say will both
    reassure disabled cyclists and help reduce the risk of confrontation
    between pedestrians and people on bikes.

    And last month, police in Nuneaton said they had asked the council to
    introduce a no cycle zone to cut out “really dangerous” cycling and
    “anti-social behaviour” in the shopping area, saying that “we get a lot of
    kids wheelie-ing through and it sets the wrong tone”.

    <https://road.cc/content/news/council-escalates-war-cycling-menaces-ban-305667#block-node-comment-block-node-comments>

    It's good to see a politician standing up for pedestrians in
    pedestrian-only zones and on pedestrian-only routes (such as FOOTways).

    A refreshing change.

    It's time for chav-cyclists on their chav-bikes to get back under the
    stones from whence they crawled.

    PS: Unlike the posts of certain others, Spike, your post was 100%
    ON-topic for uk.rec.cycling!

    :-)

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    Spike

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 16 21:54:06 2023
    Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:

    QUOTE
    Council “escalates war on cycling menaces” with new town centre ban, saying: “We will not stop until we eradicate this behaviour”

    The local authority says residents are “overwhelmingly in support of
    tougher action” against people riding bikes in pedestrianised zones

    <https://road.cc/content/news/council-escalates-war-cycling-menaces-ban-305667#block-node-comment-block-node-comments>
    ENDQUOTE

    QUOTE
    mattsccm |

    And why not? Get off and walk. Like all laws a few selfish sods spoil
    things for everyone but do people here complain about that? Pedestrian
    zones are never very long. Walk. I do each way daily.  If you commute
    through one leave home earlier. If you are one in a million who can only
    move by riding not walking then you can happily just say so to who ever
    stops you. 
    Just where is the problem?
    Just one of the reasons why I despise the modern cycling movement. Such disgusting self entitlement. 
    ENDQUOTE

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Spike on Sat Dec 16 23:05:42 2023
    On 16/12/2023 09:54 pm, Spike wrote:

    Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:

    QUOTE
    Council “escalates war on cycling menaces” with new town centre ban, saying: “We will not stop until we eradicate this behaviour”

    The local authority says residents are “overwhelmingly in support of tougher action” against people riding bikes in pedestrianised zones

    <https://road.cc/content/news/council-escalates-war-cycling-menaces-ban-305667#block-node-comment-block-node-comments>
    ENDQUOTE

    QUOTE
    mattsccm |

    And why not? Get off and walk. Like all laws a few selfish sods spoil
    things for everyone but do people here complain about that? Pedestrian
    zones are never very long. Walk. I do each way daily.  If you commute through one leave home earlier. If you are one in a million who can only
    move by riding not walking then you can happily just say so to who ever
    stops you.
    Just where is the problem?
    Just one of the reasons why I despise the modern cycling movement. Such disgusting self entitlement.
    ENDQUOTE

    Road.cc actually allowed that comment on their site?

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to JNugent on Sun Dec 17 09:58:42 2023
    JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
    On 16/12/2023 09:54 pm, Spike wrote:

    Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:

    QUOTE
    Council “escalates war on cycling menaces” with new town centre ban,
    saying: “We will not stop until we eradicate this behaviour”

    The local authority says residents are “overwhelmingly in support of
    tougher action” against people riding bikes in pedestrianised zones

    <https://road.cc/content/news/council-escalates-war-cycling-menaces-ban-305667#block-node-comment-block-node-comments>
    ENDQUOTE

    QUOTE
    mattsccm |

    And why not? Get off and walk. Like all laws a few selfish sods spoil
    things for everyone but do people here complain about that? Pedestrian
    zones are never very long. Walk. I do each way daily.  If you commute
    through one leave home earlier. If you are one in a million who can only
    move by riding not walking then you can happily just say so to who ever
    stops you.
    Just where is the problem?
    Just one of the reasons why I despise the modern cycling movement. Such
    disgusting self entitlement.
    ENDQUOTE

    Road.cc actually allowed that comment on their site?

    Yes…I was astonished. But there it was…

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