• Re: Police fine drivers parking on the pavement across Knutsford

    From JNugent@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Sat Jan 27 14:52:45 2024
    On 27/01/2024 04:47 am, Simon Mason wrote:

    DRIVERS parking on the pavement have been fined across Knutsford.

    Police are cracking down on people flouting the law and causing an obstruction.

    What "law" would that be?

    Would it be the non-existent "law" prohibiting parking on "pavements"
    (you must mean footways, but we already know you are not concerned with
    legal accuracy)?

    Vehicles have been issued with fixed penalty notices on streets throughout the town.
    Cheshire Police have been warning parents about illegally parking outside schools.
    Yet cars are continuing to stop on double yellow lines, zigzags and pavements.

    Double yellow lines? Offence. Zigzags? Endorseable offence.

    "Pavements"? Well it'd be an offence in London. And maybe in a few other places. However, the concept of Knutsford, which is not a district in
    its own right, having some sort of extra by-law which does not apply in
    the rest of the Cheshire East Unitary Authority, is a little startling.

    Posting on social media, Knutsford Police said: “Vehicles have been issued with fixed penalty notices around Knutsford for fully parking on the pavement and causing unnecessary obstruction to pedestrians, wheelchair users and prams, forcing them to
    go onto busy roads.

    Obstruction. Town Police Clauses Act 1847. That one's fair enough, if
    the footway IS being obstructed so that passage is not denied to the
    various classes of pedestrian.

    “Drivers should be more considerate when parking their vehicles.”

    All road-users should be more considerate when using the roads FULL STOP

    Try telling that to a chav-cyclist, though. Especially one hurtling
    along a FOOTway.

    [There, brought your thread back on-topic.]

    https://www.knutsfordguardian.co.uk/news/24062654.police-fine-drivers-parking-pavement-across-knutsford/

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Sat Jan 27 19:53:04 2024
    On 27/01/2024 07:00 pm, Simon Mason wrote:

    New laws to prevent parking on pavements will be introduced by Falkirk Council this year but 'advisory notices' will be issued before any fines of £100 are handed out.

    Ahem...

    Falkirk does NOT include Knutsford or any other part of England.

    From December 11, Scottish local authorities were given the power to enforce legislation that bans pavement parking, double parking and parking at dropped kerbs.
    Falkirk Council says the first step will be to use advisory notices for around six months, to make sure that people are aware of the changes.
    While there is no firm date for this, it is expected to be "early this year" and work has already been done to assess all A and B roads to see where any exemptions are needed.
    Plans are now underway to look at C roads and unclassified roads.
    The Transport (Scotland) Act 2019 bans pavement parking, double parking and parking at dropped kerbs, with certain exemptions - for example to ensure safe access for emergency vehicles.
    This means drivers could be fined £100, although this would be reduced to £50 if paid within 14 days.
    So far, Edinburgh City Council is the only one that has set a date to start implementing the legislation.
    It announced this week that enforcement against parking on pavements, parking at crossing points and double parking will begin in Edinburgh on Monday, January 29.
    The Scottish Government says that parking on pavements make life very difficult for pavement users, forcing them to take unnecessary risks by moving around the car and onto the road.

    It particularly affects the chav-cyclists, doesn't it?

    Introducing a national awareness raising campaign, which will include radio and social media advertising, the Minister for Transport, Fiona Hyslop, said: “We’re highlighting the danger that illegal pavement parking poses to pavement users, and in
    particular those with mobility issues or visual impairments, or parents pushing prams and buggies."

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/crackdown-pavement-parking-start-falkirk-31857149

    All very well.

    But your post was about Knutsford, within the East Cheshire unitary, in
    North West *ENGLAND*.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Sun Jan 28 13:20:32 2024
    On 28/01/2024 05:41 am, Simon Mason wrote:

    South Yorkshire Police embarked on a campaign to end dangerous parking earlier this year. Since then, over 400 drivers have been punished by the police for committing parking offences in Sheffield.

    The force has now warned that motorists will face action if their cars are adjudged to be blocking a pavement or a cycle lane.

    It added that drivers who parked in a way that impeded cyclists and pedestrians would face £100 fines and three points on their licence, YorkshireLive reported.

    Since the operation started in May, South Yorkshire Police received 261 tips from members of the public, who were invited to share images and videos of inconsiderate and selfish parkers.

    Officers added that they took action in most of the cases.Some of those cases have even made their way to court. Inspector Kevin Smith said: "We are beginning to see some cases go to court, which will be the ultimate test of the procedure.

    “That 261 doesn't include TORs (Traffic Offence Reports) issued by my newly trained PCSOs/PCs for dangerous parking offences they have witnessed – that figure would be north of 400.”

    The force added that it will not be stopping any time soon and is asking the public to report any incidents of dangerous parking.

    The police's operational document reads: "The police cannot be everywhere. This initiative relies on the help of active citizens to help enforce the law and make the roads safer.


    https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1662157/driver-warning-parking-police-crackdown-pavement-parking

    What have South Yorkshire Police got to do with Knutsford?

    Is this just another example of May Sun's lack of geographical insight?

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Sun Jan 28 18:06:15 2024
    On 28/01/2024 02:13 pm, Simon Mason wrote:

    Pedestrians rely on pavements to be safe and free of obstacles that could force them into the road...

    ...such as uber-chavs on chav-cycles on FOOTways.

    The issue of pavement parking particularly affects those with mobility difficulties, those who are blind or visually impaired, and anyone walking with pushchairs, children, guide dogs or using mobility aids...

    ...who are particularly vulnerable to the actions of chavs on chav-bikes
    on FOOTways.

    If you are a business owner parking on pavements can present unique challenges.
    If the pavement outside of your property is obstructed it can make it challenging for pedestrians, particularly those with mobility difficulties, to access your property. Parking on the pavement outside of your business can also block your premises
    from view, making it difficult for new visitors to find your property.
    Local authorities have the power to ban pavement parking in their districts, although often they may not have the resources to enforce it

    So people would have to park *outside* the whole district?

    What does North East Lincolnshire District Council have to say about that?

    Are they expecting trade in the district to expand or contract?

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to JNugent on Sun Jan 28 19:51:23 2024
    JNugent <jnugent97@mail.com> wrote:
    On 28/01/2024 02:13 pm, Simon Mason wrote:

    Pedestrians rely on pavements to be safe and free of obstacles that
    could force them into the road...

    ...such as uber-chavs on chav-cycles on FOOTways.

    As Auriol Grey found out to her cost.


    --
    Spike

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Sun Jan 28 22:36:40 2024
    On 28/01/2024 08:59 pm, Simon Mason wrote:
    On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 6:24:22 PM UTC, Simon Mason wrote:
    DRIVERS blocking pavements in Lymm have been fined.

    Police issued fixed penalty notices to vehicles parked on the pavement on Church Road and Pepper Street.

    The vehicles had ‘left no safe place’ for pedestrians to get past.

    Police urge drivers to be more thoughtful about parents with pushchairs and disabled people in wheelchairs.

    https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/23994210.lymm-police-continue-crackdown-dangerous-parking-village/

    " Philippa Daley 17th December 2023 11:29 am
    User ID: 3960308
    This should be enforced in all towns. When someone with a pram has to go on the road to get around them its dangerous. These thoughtless, selfish people deserve to be fined".

    Isn't Lymm in Cheshire?

    No point in asking you, is there?

    You thought that Dublin was in the UK!

    Must be joining Knutsford in cracking down on these selfish twats.

    https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/24/590x/891318_1.jpg


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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Sun Jan 28 22:35:51 2024
    On 28/01/2024 06:24 pm, Simon Mason wrote:

    DRIVERS blocking pavements in Lymm have been fined.
    Police issued fixed penalty notices to vehicles parked on the pavement on Church Road and Pepper Street.
    The vehicles had ‘left no safe place’ for pedestrians to get past.

    That sounds as thought it could be simple 1847 Act obstruction.

    No-one should ever park obstructively.

    Police urge drivers to be more thoughtful about parents with pushchairs and disabled people in wheelchairs.
    https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/23994210.lymm-police-continue-crackdown-dangerous-parking-village/
    " Philippa Daley 17th December 2023 11:29 am
    User ID: 3960308
    This should be enforced in all towns. When someone with a pram has to go on the road to get around them its dangerous. These thoughtless, selfish people deserve to be fined".

    What about the chavs on chav-bikes on the FOOTway, though?

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