• Cycle hangar subsidy cut - cyclists whinge

    From Spike@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 22 08:35:36 2024
    “A car parking permit is cheaper!” Cyclists slam “shameful” council for cutting bike hangar subsidy – as prices set to rise six-fold

    “For all the cycle lanes and LTNs to encourage people like me to cycle, and then raise the price, I can’t afford it frankly,” one cyclist said, after Cyclehoop announced that the price of storing a bike in its hangars will
    rise from £12 to £72 a year

    by RYAN MALLON SAT, APR 20, 2024 17:01

    Cyclists in the London Borough of Enfield have slammed the local council’s decision to cut its subsidy for the town’s cycle hangars, which will see
    the annual price of storing a bike in one of the secure storage units rise six-fold from £12 to £72.

    In an email sent to all subscribers, Cyclehoop – the company that runs the bike storage scheme on behalf of Enfield Council – blamed the local
    authority for the price hike, which will bring the cost of using a bike
    hangar in Enfield in line with other London boroughs such as Richmond-upon-Thames and Kensington and Chelsea.

    However, from May cyclists in Enfield will have to pay double the
    subscription cost of other Cyclehoop hangar users in Camden and Haringey,
    where the units cost £36 a year.

    “We are writing to advise you that the annual cost of Cyclehoop Bikehanger subscriptions in Enfield is changing from 1st May,” Cyclehoop told subscribers in Enfield.

    “The London borough of Enfield currently subsidises all bike hangar subscriptions for residents of the borough, however, as a result of a
    change in the subsidy provided to Cyclehoop from the local authority, your subscription will be increasing, and the new cost of an annual subscription will be £72 per year.”

    [Link] “So many people are put off cycling by the threat of having their
    bike stolen”: Bike theft victims call for more secure cycle hangars as
    demand soars

    The price hike has been roundly condemned by local cyclists, who rely on
    the outdoor storage units to safely secure their bikes due to a lack of
    space in their properties, and who described the six-fold rise as “unfair” and “shameful” on the part of the council.

    “The price hike is so absurd. From £12 to £72 a year – really? If I had a car the parking permit is cheaper!” Enfield resident Claire Freston told
    the Enfield Dispatch (link is external).

    “Shame on Enfield Council. For all the cycle lanes and LTNs to encourage people like me to cycle, and then raise the price, I can’t afford it
    frankly.

    “It won’t deter me from cycling but it will make keeping my bike in my house – in the hallway for all of us to trip over day and night – really annoying to be honest.”

    Another Cyclehoop user, George Andruszkiewicz, added: “This is unfair on people who cannot afford such increases, it penalises cyclists – especially those who live in flats – it is counterproductive to the borough’s green agenda, and makes me wonder what other ‘initiatives’ are being prepared to increase fees for local services.”

    Responding to the complaints, an Enfield Council spokesperson said: “The council has installed cycle parking across the borough at train stations,
    in town centres, and over 100 cycle hangers on residential streets as one
    part of our efforts to encourage cycling in Enfield.

    “The new fee covers the full cost of maintaining the hangers after a few years of council-subsidised rates while they were being introduced and were grant-funded. The new fees are benchmarked and are similar to other London boroughs.

    “Ensuring the council’s costs of maintaining the cycle hangers are fully covered will ensure we can roll out even more much-loved cycle hangers
    across the borough, with another seven planned for installation over the
    coming months.”

    Enfield’s Cyclehoop price hike isn’t the first row to emerge over the cost of bike storage in recent months.

    In February, Brighton and Hove City Council rejected a call from
    Conservative councillors to increase the cost of using bike hangars in the
    city – a controversial topic after a range of protests from local motorists – five-hold from £1 to £5 a week.

    Conservative councillors had claimed that a £125,000 subsidy set aside in
    the Labour-controlled council’s budget for Falco, the company behind the hangars, to maintain them would be better spent on frontline services and
    that people allocated spaces within them to park their bikes should pay
    more.

    But Labour’s Trevor Muten, chair of the council’s Transport and Sustainability Committee, said that the hangars perform a valuable function
    and that the cost of using them would not be reviewed.

    “As a city with a high number of flats and many people without access to private garden or cycle space, the hangars have been crucial in providing a convenient, safe and affordable space for bikes,” he said.

    “Affordability was factored in when the cycle hangar project was introduced and we have no current plans to review the cost paid by residents for
    hangar spaces.

    “We realise that, in some areas of the city, the introduction of any more cycle hangars needs to be balanced with the availability of parking space
    and this will factor into our parking review process.”

    And last May, councillors in Edinburgh raised concerns about the cost of
    using a bike hangar in the Scottish capital – which in some cases is up to three times as expensive as a 12-month car parking permit – an annual price some described as prohibitive for people on lower incomes.

    However, calls to subsidise the £6-a-month bike hangar costs by raising parking charges, especially for the most polluting vehicles, were
    criticised by opposition councillors for potentially “pitting drivers
    against cyclists”.

    <https://road.cc/content/news/cyclists-slam-council-cutting-bike-hangar-subsidy-307939>



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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Spike on Mon Apr 22 04:00:56 2024
    On 22/04/2024 09:35 am, Spike wrote:

    “A car parking permit is cheaper!” Cyclists slam “shameful” council for
    cutting bike hangar subsidy – as prices set to rise six-fold

    “For all the cycle lanes and LTNs to encourage people like me to cycle, and then raise the price, I can’t afford it frankly,” one cyclist said, after Cyclehoop announced that the price of storing a bike in its hangars will
    rise from £12 to £72 a year

    by RYAN MALLON SAT, APR 20, 2024 17:01

    Cyclists in the London Borough of Enfield have slammed the local council’s decision to cut its subsidy for the town’s cycle hangars, which will see the annual price of storing a bike in one of the secure storage units rise six-fold from £12 to £72.

    In an email sent to all subscribers, Cyclehoop – the company that runs the bike storage scheme on behalf of Enfield Council – blamed the local authority for the price hike, which will bring the cost of using a bike hangar in Enfield in line with other London boroughs such as Richmond-upon-Thames and Kensington and Chelsea.

    However, from May cyclists in Enfield will have to pay double the subscription cost of other Cyclehoop hangar users in Camden and Haringey, where the units cost £36 a year.

    “We are writing to advise you that the annual cost of Cyclehoop Bikehanger subscriptions in Enfield is changing from 1st May,” Cyclehoop told subscribers in Enfield.

    “The London borough of Enfield currently subsidises all bike hangar subscriptions for residents of the borough, however, as a result of a
    change in the subsidy provided to Cyclehoop from the local authority, your subscription will be increasing, and the new cost of an annual subscription will be £72 per year.”

    [Link] “So many people are put off cycling by the threat of having their bike stolen”: Bike theft victims call for more secure cycle hangars as demand soars

    The price hike has been roundly condemned by local cyclists, who rely on
    the outdoor storage units to safely secure their bikes due to a lack of
    space in their properties, and who described the six-fold rise as “unfair”
    and “shameful” on the part of the council.

    “The price hike is so absurd. From £12 to £72 a year – really? If I had a
    car the parking permit is cheaper!” Enfield resident Claire Freston told the Enfield Dispatch (link is external).

    “Shame on Enfield Council. For all the cycle lanes and LTNs to encourage people like me to cycle, and then raise the price, I can’t afford it frankly.

    “It won’t deter me from cycling but it will make keeping my bike in my house – in the hallway for all of us to trip over day and night – really annoying to be honest.”

    Another Cyclehoop user, George Andruszkiewicz, added: “This is unfair on people who cannot afford such increases, it penalises cyclists – especially those who live in flats – it is counterproductive to the borough’s green agenda, and makes me wonder what other ‘initiatives’ are being prepared to
    increase fees for local services.”

    Responding to the complaints, an Enfield Council spokesperson said: “The council has installed cycle parking across the borough at train stations,
    in town centres, and over 100 cycle hangers on residential streets as one part of our efforts to encourage cycling in Enfield.

    “The new fee covers the full cost of maintaining the hangers after a few years of council-subsidised rates while they were being introduced and were grant-funded. The new fees are benchmarked and are similar to other London boroughs.

    “Ensuring the council’s costs of maintaining the cycle hangers are fully covered will ensure we can roll out even more much-loved cycle hangers
    across the borough, with another seven planned for installation over the coming months.”

    Enfield’s Cyclehoop price hike isn’t the first row to emerge over the cost
    of bike storage in recent months.

    In February, Brighton and Hove City Council rejected a call from
    Conservative councillors to increase the cost of using bike hangars in the city – a controversial topic after a range of protests from local motorists – five-hold from £1 to £5 a week.

    "five-hold"?

    Ah... it's road.cc again.

    Semi-literates writing for a a publication aimed at other semi-literates.

    Conservative councillors had claimed that a £125,000 subsidy set aside in the Labour-controlled council’s budget for Falco, the company behind the hangars, to maintain them would be better spent on frontline services and that people allocated spaces within them to park their bikes should pay
    more.

    But Labour’s Trevor Muten, chair of the council’s Transport and Sustainability Committee, said that the hangars perform a valuable function and that the cost of using them would not be reviewed.

    Did he *mean* the cost?

    The article appears to be about the price.

    And cost and price are not the same thing.

    “As a city with a high number of flats and many people without access to private garden or cycle space, the hangars have been crucial in providing a convenient, safe and affordable space for bikes,” he said.

    “Affordability was factored in when the cycle hangar project was introduced and we have no current plans to review the cost paid by residents for
    hangar spaces.

    “We realise that, in some areas of the city, the introduction of any more cycle hangars needs to be balanced with the availability of parking space
    and this will factor into our parking review process.”

    And last May, councillors in Edinburgh raised concerns about the cost of using a bike hangar in the Scottish capital – which in some cases is up to three times as expensive as a 12-month car parking permit – an annual price some described as prohibitive for people on lower incomes.

    However, calls to subsidise the £6-a-month bike hangar costs by raising parking charges, especially for the most polluting vehicles, were
    criticised by opposition councillors for potentially “pitting drivers against cyclists”.

    <https://road.cc/content/news/cyclists-slam-council-cutting-bike-hangar-subsidy-307939>

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Spike on Mon Apr 22 03:57:50 2024
    On 22/04/2024 09:35 am, Spike wrote:

    “A car parking permit is cheaper!” Cyclists slam “shameful” council for
    cutting bike hangar subsidy – as prices set to rise six-fold

    “For all the cycle lanes and LTNs to encourage people like me to cycle, and then raise the price, I can’t afford it frankly,” one cyclist said, after Cyclehoop announced that the price of storing a bike in its hangars will
    rise from £12 to £72 a year

    by RYAN MALLON SAT, APR 20, 2024 17:01

    Cyclists in the London Borough of Enfield have slammed the local council’s decision to cut its subsidy for the town’s cycle hangars, which will see the annual price of storing a bike in one of the secure storage units rise six-fold from £12 to £72.

    In an email sent to all subscribers, Cyclehoop – the company that runs the bike storage scheme on behalf of Enfield Council – blamed the local authority for the price hike, which will bring the cost of using a bike hangar in Enfield in line with other London boroughs such as Richmond-upon-Thames and Kensington and Chelsea.

    However, from May cyclists in Enfield will have to pay double the subscription cost of other Cyclehoop hangar users in Camden and Haringey, where the units cost £36 a year.

    “We are writing to advise you that the annual cost of Cyclehoop Bikehanger subscriptions in Enfield is changing from 1st May,” Cyclehoop told subscribers in Enfield.

    “The London borough of Enfield currently subsidises all bike hangar subscriptions for residents of the borough, however, as a result of a
    change in the subsidy provided to Cyclehoop from the local authority, your subscription will be increasing, and the new cost of an annual subscription will be £72 per year.”

    [Link] “So many people are put off cycling by the threat of having their bike stolen”: Bike theft victims call for more secure cycle hangars as demand soars

    The price hike has been roundly condemned by local cyclists, who rely on
    the outdoor storage units to safely secure their bikes due to a lack of
    space in their properties, and who described the six-fold rise as “unfair”
    and “shameful” on the part of the council.

    “The price hike is so absurd. From £12 to £72 a year – really? If I had a
    car the parking permit is cheaper!” Enfield resident Claire Freston told the Enfield Dispatch (link is external).

    “Shame on Enfield Council. For all the cycle lanes and LTNs to encourage people like me to cycle, and then raise the price, I can’t afford it frankly.

    “It won’t deter me from cycling but it will make keeping my bike in my house – in the hallway for all of us to trip over day and night – really annoying to be honest.”

    Another Cyclehoop user, George Andruszkiewicz, added: “This is unfair on people who cannot afford such increases, it penalises cyclists – especially those who live in flats – it is counterproductive to the borough’s green agenda, and makes me wonder what other ‘initiatives’ are being prepared to
    increase fees for local services.”

    Responding to the complaints, an Enfield Council spokesperson said: “The council has installed cycle parking across the borough at train stations,
    in town centres, and over 100 cycle hangers on residential streets as one part of our efforts to encourage cycling in Enfield.

    “The new fee covers the full cost of maintaining the hangers after a few years of council-subsidised rates while they were being introduced and were grant-funded. The new fees are benchmarked and are similar to other London boroughs.

    “Ensuring the council’s costs of maintaining the cycle hangers are fully covered will ensure we can roll out even more much-loved cycle hangers
    across the borough, with another seven planned for installation over the coming months.”

    Enfield’s Cyclehoop price hike isn’t the first row to emerge over the cost
    of bike storage in recent months.

    In February, Brighton and Hove City Council rejected a call from
    Conservative councillors to increase the cost of using bike hangars in the city – a controversial topic after a range of protests from local motorists – five-hold from £1 to £5 a week.

    Conservative councillors had claimed that a £125,000 subsidy set aside in the Labour-controlled council’s budget for Falco, the company behind the hangars, to maintain them would be better spent on frontline services and that people allocated spaces within them to park their bikes should pay
    more.

    But Labour’s Trevor Muten, chair of the council’s Transport and Sustainability Committee, said that the hangars perform a valuable function and that the cost of using them would not be reviewed.

    “As a city with a high number of flats and many people without access to private garden or cycle space, the hangars have been crucial in providing a convenient, safe and affordable space for bikes,” he said.

    “Affordability was factored in when the cycle hangar project was introduced and we have no current plans to review the cost paid by residents for
    hangar spaces.

    “We realise that, in some areas of the city, the introduction of any more cycle hangars needs to be balanced with the availability of parking space
    and this will factor into our parking review process.”

    And last May, councillors in Edinburgh raised concerns about the cost of using a bike hangar in the Scottish capital – which in some cases is up to three times as expensive as a 12-month car parking permit – an annual price some described as prohibitive for people on lower incomes.

    Is there any price, of anything at all, which is not "prohibitive" for
    people on low-enough incomes?

    That's what "low income" *means*!

    However, calls to subsidise the £6-a-month bike hangar costs by raising parking charges, especially for the most polluting vehicles, were
    criticised by opposition councillors for potentially “pitting drivers against cyclists”.

    <https://road.cc/content/news/cyclists-slam-council-cutting-bike-hangar-subsidy-307939>

    If they are so frightened of chav-bike-theft, why don't the chavs just
    store their chav-bikes in their garages?

    Or if they haven't seen fit to go to the expense of providing themselves
    with off-street space, perhaps in their kitchens (something of which
    there is famous precedent in uk.r.c)?

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  • From Brian@21:1/5 to Spike on Mon Apr 22 11:30:06 2024
    Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:

    “A car parking permit is cheaper!” Cyclists slam “shameful” council for
    cutting bike hangar subsidy – as prices set to rise six-fold

    “For all the cycle lanes and LTNs to encourage people like me to cycle, and then raise the price, I can’t afford it frankly,” one cyclist said, after Cyclehoop announced that the price of storing a bike in its hangars will
    rise from £12 to £72 a year



    Oh dear, imagine if he had to pay the same as car drivers. It is some
    years since we needed to buy a parking season ticket but, as I recall, it
    was several hundred pounds - with no guarantee you would actually get a
    space and no security ( we had a car stolen from the car park. When we
    reported it, the police officer reacted if it was our fault. Not being in
    the best of moods, it was my birthday and having a car stolen isn’t my idea of fun, he was quickly put right re his attitude.)

    Locally, the Council has increased car park charges recently while
    claiming to be trying to ‘revitalise’ the local high streets - it is responsible for several. We’ve lived in this area since the early 80s. At that time, the main high streets were thriving. One was positively
    pleasant, the other certainly good enough to visit for shopping, perhaps
    grab a coffee, it had decent shops etc. The others were ok, certainly not unpleasant, just a bit lacking in the better shops etc.

    All have been dragged down several notches. No quality shops. Millions of pounds wasted by the Council on a new bus station to replace a perfectly
    good one which was under cover. The new one is exposed to the weather and
    in a position which distorted the traffic flow.

    True you can be sure of a parking space, few people venture into the town.
    The empty buses trundle along the bus lanes.

    Then, of course, there is ‘car tax’ or VED. Having bought a new car recently, deemed to be a luxury car, I will be paying circa £500 for the
    next 5 years of so. Not to mention, half of the cost of every tank full of petrol being tax / duty.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Spike on Mon Apr 22 12:50:21 2024
    Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:

    “A car parking permit is cheaper!” Cyclists slam “shameful” council for
    cutting bike hangar subsidy – as prices set to rise six-fold

    “For all the cycle lanes and LTNs to encourage people like me to cycle, and then raise the price, I can’t afford it frankly,” one cyclist said, after Cyclehoop announced that the price of storing a bike in its hangars will
    rise from £12 to £72 a year

    <snip snivelling ‘woe is me, my subsidy is undone’ article>

    <https://road.cc/content/news/cyclists-slam-council-cutting-bike-hangar-subsidy-307939>

    One wonders if the phraseology missed by the article is something along the lines of ‘I can’t afford these new cycle hangar fees, where am I going to park my £12000 carbon-framed bicycle now? And my £200 aero sunglasses need replacing’.

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    Spike

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Spike on Tue Apr 23 15:05:16 2024
    On 22/04/2024 01:50 pm, Spike wrote:

    Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:

    “A car parking permit is cheaper!” Cyclists slam “shameful” council for
    cutting bike hangar subsidy – as prices set to rise six-fold

    “For all the cycle lanes and LTNs to encourage people like me to cycle, and
    then raise the price, I can’t afford it frankly,” one cyclist said, after
    Cyclehoop announced that the price of storing a bike in its hangars will
    rise from £12 to £72 a year

    <snip snivelling ‘woe is me, my subsidy is undone’ article>

    <https://road.cc/content/news/cyclists-slam-council-cutting-bike-hangar-subsidy-307939>

    One wonders if the phraseology missed by the article is something along the lines of ‘I can’t afford these new cycle hangar fees, where am I going to park my £12000 carbon-framed bicycle now? And my £200 aero sunglasses need replacing’.

    The thing, as we know, is that chav-cyclists uniformly and predictably
    claim to be the upper stratum of society as far as income is concerned.
    That has been a constant mantra from chav-cyclists in this very
    newsgroup over many years.

    They're all Considerably Richer Than Yow (or me) - or so they claim.

    So why would they *need* money out of the poor box to subsidise the
    storage of their chav-bikes?

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to JNugent on Tue Apr 23 14:47:20 2024
    JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
    On 22/04/2024 01:50 pm, Spike wrote:
    Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:

    “A car parking permit is cheaper!” Cyclists slam “shameful” council for
    cutting bike hangar subsidy – as prices set to rise six-fold

    “For all the cycle lanes and LTNs to encourage people like me to cycle, and
    then raise the price, I can’t afford it frankly,” one cyclist said, after
    Cyclehoop announced that the price of storing a bike in its hangars will >>> rise from £12 to £72 a year

    <snip snivelling ‘woe is me, my subsidy is undone’ article>

    <https://road.cc/content/news/cyclists-slam-council-cutting-bike-hangar-subsidy-307939>

    One wonders if the phraseology missed by the article is something along the >> lines of ‘I can’t afford these new cycle hangar fees, where am I going to
    park my £12000 carbon-framed bicycle now? And my £200 aero sunglasses need >> replacing’.

    The thing, as we know, is that chav-cyclists uniformly and predictably
    claim to be the upper stratum of society as far as income is concerned.
    That has been a constant mantra from chav-cyclists in this very
    newsgroup over many years.

    They're all Considerably Richer Than Yow (or me) - or so they claim.

    So why would they *need* money out of the poor box to subsidise the
    storage of their chav-bikes?

    It’s their Inalienable Right?

    Inverse Robin Hood syndrome?

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    Spike

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