• It's happening: "Kim's law"

    From JNugent@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 16 01:04:02 2024
    <https://tinyurl.com/3ew5k3e7>

    QUOTE:
    A new offence of causing death or serious injury by dangerous, careless
    or inconsiderate cycling is to be introduced.

    The law will be changed after a deal was reached between the government
    and the former Conservative leader, Iain Duncan Smith, whose amendment
    to the criminal justice bill was backed by 37 fellow Tory backbenchers.

    Moves to make it an offence to cause death by dangerous cycling are “urgent” and are not “anti-cycling”, Duncan Smith told MPs on Wednesday,
    as he referenced the death of Kim Briggs in 2016.

    She died in hospital a week after Charlie Alliston collided with her in
    east London on his fixed-gear bike, which illegally had no front brake.

    Alliston was convicted of causing bodily harm by “wanton and furious driving”, an offence under a 19th-century legislation, but he was
    cleared of the more serious offence of manslaughter.

    Duncan Smith was watched from the Commons public gallery by Matthew
    Briggs, Kim’s husband, who has campaigned for a change in the law and
    accused the government of fearing a “militant cycling lobby”.

    Duncan Smith said Matthew Briggs’ attempt to get a cyclist prosecuted involved a legal process that was so convoluted that the presiding judge
    had since said it was a “mockery” and that “the laws do not cover what happened to his wife and is happening to lots of other people”.
    ENDQUOTE

    Of course, as one can see in the article partly quoted above, the Usual Suspects are already attempting their wonted evasions and diversions.

    Discuss...

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to JNugent on Thu May 16 07:55:19 2024
    JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
    <https://tinyurl.com/3ew5k3e7>

    QUOTE:
    A new offence of causing death or serious injury by dangerous, careless
    or inconsiderate cycling is to be introduced.

    The law will be changed after a deal was reached between the government
    and the former Conservative leader, Iain Duncan Smith, whose amendment
    to the criminal justice bill was backed by 37 fellow Tory backbenchers.

    Moves to make it an offence to cause death by dangerous cycling are “urgent” and are not “anti-cycling”, Duncan Smith told MPs on Wednesday,
    as he referenced the death of Kim Briggs in 2016.

    She died in hospital a week after Charlie Alliston collided with her in
    east London on his fixed-gear bike, which illegally had no front brake.

    Alliston was convicted of causing bodily harm by “wanton and furious driving”, an offence under a 19th-century legislation, but he was
    cleared of the more serious offence of manslaughter.

    Duncan Smith was watched from the Commons public gallery by Matthew
    Briggs, Kim’s husband, who has campaigned for a change in the law and accused the government of fearing a “militant cycling lobby”.

    Duncan Smith said Matthew Briggs’ attempt to get a cyclist prosecuted involved a legal process that was so convoluted that the presiding judge
    had since said it was a “mockery” and that “the laws do not cover what happened to his wife and is happening to lots of other people”.
    ENDQUOTE

    Of course, as one can see in the article partly quoted above, the Usual Suspects are already attempting their wonted evasions and diversions.

    Discuss...

    It’s taken far too long to reach this point, but of course that doesn’t diminish the success in getting this law on the statute books.

    It can be fully expected that cycling lobbyists and media will howl with anguish at being treated in the same fashion as motorists, at least as far
    as this goes. But they called for harsher punishments for drivers who break
    the law, and now they know what that feels like. They don’t like it up ‘em.

    With the recent freeing of Auriol Grey, and now this new law, cyclists
    would do well to be more circumspect in their cycling.

    Banning public-road ‘time trials’ next on the list?

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    Spike

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  • From Peter Keller@21:1/5 to Spike on Thu May 16 20:55:34 2024
    On 16/05/24 19:55, Spike wrote:
    JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
    <https://tinyurl.com/3ew5k3e7>

    QUOTE:
    A new offence of causing death or serious injury by dangerous, careless
    or inconsiderate cycling is to be introduced.

    The law will be changed after a deal was reached between the government
    and the former Conservative leader, Iain Duncan Smith, whose amendment
    to the criminal justice bill was backed by 37 fellow Tory backbenchers.

    Moves to make it an offence to cause death by dangerous cycling are
    “urgent” and are not “anti-cycling”, Duncan Smith told MPs on Wednesday,
    as he referenced the death of Kim Briggs in 2016.

    She died in hospital a week after Charlie Alliston collided with her in
    east London on his fixed-gear bike, which illegally had no front brake.

    Alliston was convicted of causing bodily harm by “wanton and furious
    driving”, an offence under a 19th-century legislation, but he was
    cleared of the more serious offence of manslaughter.

    Duncan Smith was watched from the Commons public gallery by Matthew
    Briggs, Kim’s husband, who has campaigned for a change in the law and
    accused the government of fearing a “militant cycling lobby”.

    Duncan Smith said Matthew Briggs’ attempt to get a cyclist prosecuted
    involved a legal process that was so convoluted that the presiding judge
    had since said it was a “mockery” and that “the laws do not cover what >> happened to his wife and is happening to lots of other people”.
    ENDQUOTE

    Of course, as one can see in the article partly quoted above, the Usual
    Suspects are already attempting their wonted evasions and diversions.

    Discuss...

    It’s taken far too long to reach this point, but of course that doesn’t diminish the success in getting this law on the statute books.

    It can be fully expected that cycling lobbyists and media will howl with anguish at being treated in the same fashion as motorists, at least as far
    as this goes. But they called for harsher punishments for drivers who break the law, and now they know what that feels like. They don’t like it up ‘em.

    With the recent freeing of Auriol Grey, and now this new law, cyclists
    would do well to be more circumspect in their cycling.

    Banning public-road ‘time trials’ next on the list?

    I agree that cycling lobbyists and media should be treated in the same
    fashion as motorists anybody who causes death or serious injury by any
    means.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to JNugent on Thu May 16 09:27:12 2024
    JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
    <https://tinyurl.com/3ew5k3e7>

    QUOTE:
    A new offence of causing death or serious injury by dangerous, careless
    or inconsiderate cycling is to be introduced.

    The law will be changed after a deal was reached between the government
    and the former Conservative leader, Iain Duncan Smith, whose amendment
    to the criminal justice bill was backed by 37 fellow Tory backbenchers.

    Moves to make it an offence to cause death by dangerous cycling are “urgent” and are not “anti-cycling”, Duncan Smith told MPs on Wednesday,
    as he referenced the death of Kim Briggs in 2016.

    She died in hospital a week after Charlie Alliston collided with her in
    east London on his fixed-gear bike, which illegally had no front brake.

    Alliston was convicted of causing bodily harm by “wanton and furious driving”, an offence under a 19th-century legislation, but he was
    cleared of the more serious offence of manslaughter.

    Duncan Smith was watched from the Commons public gallery by Matthew
    Briggs, Kim’s husband, who has campaigned for a change in the law and accused the government of fearing a “militant cycling lobby”.

    Duncan Smith said Matthew Briggs’ attempt to get a cyclist prosecuted involved a legal process that was so convoluted that the presiding judge
    had since said it was a “mockery” and that “the laws do not cover what happened to his wife and is happening to lots of other people”.
    ENDQUOTE

    Of course, as one can see in the article partly quoted above, the Usual Suspects are already attempting their wonted evasions and diversions.

    Discuss...

    Road.cc hasn’t got into its stride yet, but here’s a start:

    <https://road.cc/content/news/cycling-live-blog-16-may-2024-308403#live-blog-item-57781>

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    Spike

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Peter Keller on Thu May 16 13:40:03 2024
    On 16/05/2024 09:55 am, Peter Keller wrote:

    On 16/05/24 19:55, Spike wrote:
    JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:

    <https://tinyurl.com/3ew5k3e7>

    QUOTE:
    A new offence of causing death or serious injury by dangerous, careless
    or inconsiderate cycling is to be introduced.
    The law will be changed after a deal was reached between the government
    and the former Conservative leader, Iain Duncan Smith, whose amendment
    to the criminal justice bill was backed by 37 fellow Tory backbenchers.
    Moves to make it an offence to cause death by dangerous cycling are
    “urgent” and are not “anti-cycling”, Duncan Smith told MPs on Wednesday,
    as he referenced the death of Kim Briggs in 2016.
    She died in hospital a week after Charlie Alliston collided with her in
    east London on his fixed-gear bike, which illegally had no front brake.
    Alliston was convicted of causing bodily harm by “wanton and furious
    driving”, an offence under a 19th-century legislation, but he was
    cleared of the more serious offence of manslaughter.
    Duncan Smith was watched from the Commons public gallery by Matthew
    Briggs, Kim’s husband, who has campaigned for a change in the law and
    accused the government of fearing a “militant cycling lobby”.
    Duncan Smith said Matthew Briggs’ attempt to get a cyclist prosecuted
    involved a legal process that was so convoluted that the presiding judge >>> had since said it was a “mockery” and that “the laws do not cover what
    happened to his wife and is happening to lots of other people”.
    ENDQUOTE

    Of course, as one can see in the article partly quoted above, the Usual
    Suspects are already attempting their wonted evasions and diversions.

    Discuss...

    It’s taken far too long to reach this point, but of course that doesn’t >> diminish the success in getting this law on the statute books.
    It can be fully expected that cycling lobbyists and media will howl with
    anguish at being treated in the same fashion as motorists, at least as
    far as this goes. But they called for harsher punishments for drivers
    who break the law, and now they know what that feels like. They don’t
    like it up ‘em.
    With the recent freeing of Auriol Grey, and now this new law, cyclists
    would do well to be more circumspect in their cycling.

    Spike: The *innocent* Auriol Grey, I think you mean!

    Banning public-road ‘time trials’ next on the list?

    Spike: Well overdue.

    I agree that cycling lobbyists and media should be treated in the same fashion as motorists  anybody who causes death or serious injury by any means.

    Well said, Peter, as always.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Spike on Thu May 16 13:44:59 2024
    On 16/05/2024 10:27 am, Spike wrote:

    JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:

    <https://tinyurl.com/3ew5k3e7>

    QUOTE:
    A new offence of causing death or serious injury by dangerous, careless
    or inconsiderate cycling is to be introduced.
    The law will be changed after a deal was reached between the government
    and the former Conservative leader, Iain Duncan Smith, whose amendment
    to the criminal justice bill was backed by 37 fellow Tory backbenchers.
    Moves to make it an offence to cause death by dangerous cycling are
    “urgent” and are not “anti-cycling”, Duncan Smith told MPs on Wednesday,
    as he referenced the death of Kim Briggs in 2016.
    She died in hospital a week after Charlie Alliston collided with her in
    east London on his fixed-gear bike, which illegally had no front brake.
    Alliston was convicted of causing bodily harm by “wanton and furious
    driving”, an offence under a 19th-century legislation, but he was
    cleared of the more serious offence of manslaughter.
    Duncan Smith was watched from the Commons public gallery by Matthew
    Briggs, Kim’s husband, who has campaigned for a change in the law and
    accused the government of fearing a “militant cycling lobby”.
    Duncan Smith said Matthew Briggs’ attempt to get a cyclist prosecuted
    involved a legal process that was so convoluted that the presiding judge
    had since said it was a “mockery” and that “the laws do not cover what >> happened to his wife and is happening to lots of other people”.
    ENDQUOTE

    Of course, as one can see in the article partly quoted above, the Usual
    Suspects are already attempting their wonted evasions and diversions.
    Discuss...

    Road.cc hasn’t got into its stride yet, but here’s a start:

    <https://road.cc/content/news/cycling-live-blog-16-may-2024-308403#live-blog-item-57781>

    What none of them ever say is WHY they "think" that chavs on chav-bikes
    should be immune from prosecution when they kill someone.

    Is there any other group in society with that level of legal immunity?

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to JNugent on Thu May 16 14:15:38 2024
    JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
    On 16/05/2024 09:55 am, Peter Keller wrote:

    On 16/05/24 19:55, Spike wrote:
    JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:

    <https://tinyurl.com/3ew5k3e7>

    QUOTE:
    A new offence of causing death or serious injury by dangerous, careless >>>> or inconsiderate cycling is to be introduced.
    The law will be changed after a deal was reached between the government >>>> and the former Conservative leader, Iain Duncan Smith, whose amendment >>>> to the criminal justice bill was backed by 37 fellow Tory backbenchers. >>>> Moves to make it an offence to cause death by dangerous cycling are
    “urgent” and are not “anti-cycling”, Duncan Smith told MPs on Wednesday,
    as he referenced the death of Kim Briggs in 2016.
    She died in hospital a week after Charlie Alliston collided with her in >>>> east London on his fixed-gear bike, which illegally had no front brake. >>>> Alliston was convicted of causing bodily harm by “wanton and furious >>>> driving”, an offence under a 19th-century legislation, but he was
    cleared of the more serious offence of manslaughter.
    Duncan Smith was watched from the Commons public gallery by Matthew
    Briggs, Kim’s husband, who has campaigned for a change in the law and >>>> accused the government of fearing a “militant cycling lobby”.
    Duncan Smith said Matthew Briggs’ attempt to get a cyclist prosecuted >>>> involved a legal process that was so convoluted that the presiding judge >>>> had since said it was a “mockery” and that “the laws do not cover what
    happened to his wife and is happening to lots of other people”.
    ENDQUOTE

    Of course, as one can see in the article partly quoted above, the Usual >>>> Suspects are already attempting their wonted evasions and diversions.

    Discuss...

    It’s taken far too long to reach this point, but of course that doesn’t >>> diminish the success in getting this law on the statute books.
    It can be fully expected that cycling lobbyists and media will howl with >>> anguish at being treated in the same fashion as motorists, at least as
    far as this goes. But they called for harsher punishments for drivers
    who break the law, and now they know what that feels like. They don’t
    like it up ‘em.
    With the recent freeing of Auriol Grey, and now this new law, cyclists
    would do well to be more circumspect in their cycling.

    Spike: The *innocent* Auriol Grey, I think you mean!

    Oh, quite! No offence intended to the lady.

    Banning public-road ‘time trials’ next on the list?

    Spike: Well overdue.

    I agree that cycling lobbyists and media should be treated in the same
    fashion as motorists  anybody who causes death or serious injury by any
    means.

    Well said, Peter, as always.




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