• OT Why 'Team GB'?

    From The Other John@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 29 21:26:34 2024
    Shouldn't it be 'Team UK' or is Northern Ireland not taking part? I don't watch it anyway but I'm fed up with all the references to 'Team GB'.

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  • From JMB99@21:1/5 to The Other John on Mon Jul 29 23:29:53 2024
    On 29/07/2024 22:26, The Other John wrote:
    Shouldn't it be 'Team UK' or is Northern Ireland not taking part? I don't watch it anyway but I'm fed up with all the references to 'Team GB'.


    Do a Google search, it has been explained many times.

    It can't be 'TEAM UK' because that is already in use.

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 30 00:51:18 2024
    On 29/07/2024 23:29, JMB99 wrote:
    On 29/07/2024 22:26, The Other John wrote:
    Shouldn't it be 'Team UK' or is Northern Ireland not taking part?  I
    don't
    watch it anyway but I'm fed up with all the references to 'Team GB'.


    Do a Google search, it has been explained many times.

    It can't be 'TEAM UK' because that is already in use.

    Actually, Googling "Team UK" only brings up references to the UK team
    which is actually called Team GB. Is "Team UK" the Ukrainian team?

    I suppose that explains why in the procession of boats, the UK came with
    the Gs (for Grande Bretagne) rather than the Rs (for Royaume Uni). At
    first I wondered whether Northern Ireland was taking part as a country
    in its own right ;-)

    What was the convention for the country names that each team held up on
    their boat? I was expecting (for example) Germany's either to be
    Allemagne (the French name) or else Deutschland (their own name) but
    their board said Germany. Was there a convention that English was used?
    Can countries choose to use a language other than their own if they
    think that (for example) the English version will be more widely understood?

    As an aside, I've always wondered why Germany has so many different
    names among the various European countries: Deutschland/Duitsland
    (German, Netherlands), Allemagne/Allemania (France, Spain),
    Germany/Germania (UK and Italy), Tyskland (Scandinavian countries),
    Niemcy (Poland), Saksa (Finland).


    The article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37058920 doesn't really
    answer the question aboiut Team GB versus Team UK: it says that neither
    UK not GB is completely accurate because of countries like the Isle of
    Man which is not part of either. And it says that the IOC has *always*
    referred to GBR since the late 1800s - OK, so they got it wrong all that
    time ago and the mistake has never been corrected.

    I'm not Northern Irish so I've no axe to grind, but one of my bugbears
    is people using "GB" or "Great Britain" when they mean "UK" or "United
    Kingdom" - unless they really do mean England, Wales and Scotland but explicitly not Northern Ireland.

    At least the internet domain is .uk and not .gb.

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue Jul 30 09:15:10 2024
    "Andy Burns" <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in message news:lgrksjF9kfkU1@mid.individual.net...
    The Other John wrote:

    Shouldn't it be 'Team UK' or is Northern Ireland not taking part?

    Officially it's "Great Britain and Northern Ireland Olympic Team" but they decided that was too much of a mouthful, so abbreviated it to "GB" rather than "UK"

    perhaps because NI athletes can opt to compete as part of "Olympic
    Federation of Ireland"?

    Can they? Despite NI being part of one sovereign state (UK) and Republic of Ireland being a different one? Would that open the door for some Americans
    to compete as Irish because they can trace their ancestors to Ireland?

    Or has the remit of the Olympic Federation of Ireland never been updated to recognise the split between Northern and Republic of Ireland?

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to The Other John on Tue Jul 30 09:00:19 2024
    The Other John wrote:

    Shouldn't it be 'Team UK' or is Northern Ireland not taking part?

    Officially it's "Great Britain and Northern Ireland Olympic Team" but
    they decided that was too much of a mouthful, so abbreviated it to "GB"
    rather than "UK" perhaps because NI athletes can opt to compete as part
    of "Olympic Federation of Ireland"?

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  • From JMB99@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue Jul 30 12:20:38 2024
    On 30/07/2024 09:00, Andy Burns wrote:

    Officially it's "Great Britain and Northern Ireland Olympic Team" but
    they decided that was too much of a mouthful, so abbreviated it to "GB" rather than "UK" perhaps because NI athletes can opt to compete as part
    of "Olympic Federation of Ireland"?


    "Team Great Britain, Northern Ireland, Isle of Man, Channel Islands and
    UK Overseas Territories" ?

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  • From JMB99@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 30 12:18:57 2024
    On 30/07/2024 00:51, NY wrote:

    I suppose that explains why in the procession of boats, the UK came with
    the Gs (for Grande Bretagne) rather than the Rs (for Royaume Uni). At
    first I wondered whether Northern Ireland was taking part as a country
    in its own right 😉


    All the countries were in the order of their name in French.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37058920

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 30 12:23:07 2024
    NY wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    perhaps because NI athletes can opt to compete as part of "Olympic
    Federation of Ireland"?

    Can they?

    <https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/written-answers/2004/oct/21/olympic-games-participation>

    Some individual sports (Rugby, Tennis) don't allow it.

    Despite NI being part of one sovereign state (UK) and Republic
    of Ireland being a different one? Would that open the door for some
    Americans to compete as Irish because they can trace their ancestors to Ireland?

    Dunno ...

    Or has the remit of the Olympic Federation of Ireland never been updated
    to recognise the split between Northern and Republic of Ireland?

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  • From JMB99@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue Jul 30 12:46:08 2024
    On 30/07/2024 12:23, Andy Burns wrote:
    Or has the remit of the Olympic Federation of Ireland never been
    updated to recognise the split between Northern and Republic of Ireland?


    Don't many of the republicans in Northern Ireland have dual nationality?


    Isn't there at least one British sportsperson who has US (?) citizenship
    but prefers to be a member of the British team because he (she?) found
    the sportspeople were treated better.

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 30 12:44:21 2024
    On 30/07/2024 12:18, JMB99 wrote:
    On 30/07/2024 00:51, NY wrote:

    I suppose that explains why in the procession of boats, the UK came
    with the Gs (for Grande Bretagne) rather than the Rs (for Royaume
    Uni). At first I wondered whether Northern Ireland was taking part as
    a country in its own right 😉


    All the countries were in the order of their name in French.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37058920


    My implied question was why we chose to be Grande Bretagne rather than
    Royaume Uni.

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  • From JMB99@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 30 12:22:44 2024
    On 30/07/2024 09:15, NY wrote:
    Can they? Despite NI being part of one sovereign state (UK) and Republic
    of Ireland being a different one? Would that open the door for some
    Americans to compete as Irish because they can trace their ancestors to Ireland?



    Was it football where Southern Ireland was well known for accepting
    anyone who had a Great Great Granny who was from there? :-)

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  • From Paul Ratcliffe@21:1/5 to me@privacy.invalid on Fri Aug 2 08:40:56 2024
    On Tue, 30 Jul 2024 09:15:10 +0100, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

    perhaps because NI athletes can opt to compete as part of "Olympic >>Federation of Ireland"?

    Can they? Despite NI being part of one sovereign state (UK) and Republic of Ireland being a different one? Would that open the door for some Americans
    to compete as Irish because they can trace their ancestors to Ireland?

    Rory McIlroy (Golf) is representing Ireland despite being from Northern Ireland.

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Paul Ratcliffe on Fri Aug 2 11:51:34 2024
    On 02/08/2024 09:40, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
    On Tue, 30 Jul 2024 09:15:10 +0100, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

    perhaps because NI athletes can opt to compete as part of "Olympic
    Federation of Ireland"?

    Can they? Despite NI being part of one sovereign state (UK) and Republic of >> Ireland being a different one? Would that open the door for some Americans >> to compete as Irish because they can trace their ancestors to Ireland?

    Rory McIlroy (Golf) is representing Ireland despite being from Northern Ireland.


    But presumably he would be represented by the UK Olympic federation if
    he represented the UK or the Irish federation if he represented Ireland.
    Or does the Irish federation represent the whole of the island of
    Ireland, spanning both Republic of Ireland and UK?

    I imagine he can only represent Rep Ireland because he has some family connection (eg parent or grandparent who came from there): he doesn't
    get an *automatic* right, surely, to represent Rep Ireland just because
    he's from Northern Ireland (part of UK).

    Or was the "territory" of the Irish Olympic federation never updated
    when Rep Ireland was formed as a separate sovereign nation?

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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 2 12:23:49 2024
    On 02/08/2024 11:51, NY wrote:
    On 02/08/2024 09:40, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
    Rory McIlroy (Golf) is representing Ireland despite being from
    Northern Ireland.


    But presumably he would be represented by the UK Olympic federation if
    he represented the UK or the Irish federation if he represented Ireland.
    Or does the Irish federation represent the whole of the island of
    Ireland, spanning both Republic of Ireland and UK?

    I imagine he can only represent Rep Ireland because he has some family connection (eg parent or grandparent who came from there): he doesn't
    get an *automatic* right, surely, to represent Rep Ireland just because
    he's from Northern Ireland (part of UK).

    Or was the "territory" of the Irish Olympic federation never updated
    when Rep Ireland was formed as a separate sovereign nation?

    I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that if you had British citizenship, but lived in Northern Ireland, you could also get an ROI
    passport. Or did that change with Brexit?

    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to John Williamson on Fri Aug 2 12:34:45 2024
    On 02/08/2024 12:23, John Williamson wrote:
    On 02/08/2024 11:51, NY wrote:
    On 02/08/2024 09:40, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
    Rory McIlroy (Golf) is representing Ireland despite being from
    Northern Ireland.


    But presumably he would be represented by the UK Olympic federation if
    he represented the UK or the Irish federation if he represented Ireland.
    Or does the Irish federation represent the whole of the island of
    Ireland, spanning both Republic of Ireland and UK?

    I imagine he can only represent Rep Ireland because he has some family
    connection (eg parent or grandparent who came from there): he doesn't
    get an *automatic* right, surely, to represent Rep Ireland just because
    he's from Northern Ireland (part of UK).

    Or was the "territory" of the Irish Olympic federation never updated
    when Rep Ireland was formed as a separate sovereign nation?

    I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that if you had British citizenship, but lived in Northern Ireland, you could also get an ROI passport. Or did that change with Brexit?

    Can't the UK government stop people from getting foreign passports
    without losing their British nationality? What if a Brit wanted a
    Russian or North Korea passport?

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    Max Demian

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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Fri Aug 2 12:59:26 2024
    On 02/08/2024 12:34, Max Demian wrote:
    On 02/08/2024 12:23, John Williamson wrote:
    I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that if you had British
    citizenship, but lived in Northern Ireland, you could also get an ROI
    passport. Or did that change with Brexit?

    Can't the UK government stop people from getting foreign passports
    without losing their British nationality? What if a Brit wanted a
    Russian or North Korea passport?

    There is no general ban on dual or multiple citizenship by the UK
    authorities, but dual citizenship does, however, have to be accepted by
    the country you apply to. The UK can, though, if you hold another
    passport, revoke your British citizenship, even if you were born here.

    There is an agreement with Ireland, which basically says that Irish
    citizens have full rights of entry into the UK and all UK citizens have
    the right of free entry into the Republic. This dates back to well
    before the EU was even a twinkle in the creators' eyes. As a resut, I
    can take the ferry or fly to Dublin, and stay and work there, but need
    to go through passport control if I then go to anywhere else in the EU,
    while an Irish citizen just wafts past me, briefly waving their passport
    at the immigration officer.

    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.

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  • From JMB99@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 2 13:43:52 2024
    On 02/08/2024 11:51, NY wrote:
    I imagine he can only represent Rep Ireland because he has some family connection (eg parent or grandparent who came from there): he doesn't
    get an *automatic* right, surely, to represent Rep Ireland just because
    he's from Northern Ireland (part of UK).


    I think it is left to individuals to choose, many republicans in
    Northern Ireland will have Southern Irish passports and I doubt whether
    my Unionists would want to compete for Southern Ireland.

    Also I suspect the UK has better training facilities than Southern
    Ireland and they will getting more experience training alongside many
    top athletes.

    Though some from Southern Ireland will probably train in the USA.

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  • From System Administrator@21:1/5 to mb@nospam.net on Wed Aug 7 13:33:42 2024
    In article <v8ai71$10n1i$1@dont-email.me>, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
    All the countries were in the order of their name in French.

    Is it also because they're French that the adjective goes after the noun?

    -- Richard

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to System Administrator on Wed Aug 7 19:57:42 2024
    On 07/08/2024 14:33, System Administrator wrote:
    In article <v8ai71$10n1i$1@dont-email.me>, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
    All the countries were in the order of their name in French.

    Is it also because they're French that the adjective goes after the noun?

    Yes. If the Olympics had used the proper name United Kingdom then the
    French would have been Royaume Uni (Kingdom United).

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