On 07/08/2024 12:16, Scott wrote:

I have just discovered this: https://radiofail.wordpress.com/2022/11/18/bbc-radio-2-matt-hancock-caller-fail/
I thought the BBC delayed incoming telephone calls by a few seconds,
but maybe I am thinking of commercial stations. Is R5 Live literally
live also?

The BBC have never used a delay for public phone ins as far as I know.

The commercial stations always have, it was in the original 1972 IBA
technical requirements, and back in the 70s and early 80s was quite an
involved task to implement, but basically two tape machines side by
side, with some guides to lengthen the journey time of the tape from
Machine 1's rec head to Machine 2's pb head

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On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 12:29:02 +0100, Mark Carver <mark@invalid.com>
wrote:

On 07/08/2024 12:16, Scott wrote:

I have just discovered this:
https://radiofail.wordpress.com/2022/11/18/bbc-radio-2-matt-hancock-caller-fail/
I thought the BBC delayed incoming telephone calls by a few seconds,
but maybe I am thinking of commercial stations. Is R5 Live literally
live also?

The BBC have never used a delay for public phone ins as far as I know.

The commercial stations always have, it was in the original 1972 IBA >technical requirements, and back in the 70s and early 80s was quite an >involved task to implement, but basically two tape machines side by
side, with some guides to lengthen the journey time of the tape from
Machine 1's rec head to Machine 2's pb head

If the tape speed was 7.5 inches per second and the delay six seconds,
this suggests 45 inches extra travel.

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On 07/08/2024 12:29, Mark Carver wrote:

On 07/08/2024 12:16, Scott wrote:

I have just discovered this:
https://radiofail.wordpress.com/2022/11/18/bbc-radio-2-matt-hancock-caller-fail/

I thought the BBC delayed incoming telephone calls by a few seconds,
but maybe I am thinking of commercial stations. Is R5 Live literally
live also?

The BBC have never used a delay for public phone ins as far as I know.

The commercial stations always have, it was in the original 1972 IBA technical requirements, and back in the 70s and early 80s was quite an involved task to implement, but basically two tape machines side by
side, with some guides to lengthen the journey time of the tape from
Machine 1's rec head to Machine 2's pb head

And someone sitting in the control room whose most important job was to
push the "beep" button. :-)

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

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On 07/08/2024 12:29, Mark Carver wrote:

On 07/08/2024 12:16, Scott wrote:

I have just discovered this:
https://radiofail.wordpress.com/2022/11/18/bbc-radio-2-matt-hancock-caller-fail/

I thought the BBC delayed incoming telephone calls by a few seconds,
but maybe I am thinking of commercial stations. Is R5 Live literally
live also?

The BBC have never used a delay for public phone ins as far as I know.

The commercial stations always have, it was in the original 1972 IBA technical requirements, and back in the 70s and early 80s was quite an involved task to implement, but basically two tape machines side by
side, with some guides to lengthen the journey time of the tape from
Machine 1's rec head to Machine 2's pb head

I'm not sure if it was common, but for shows such as the one in the clip
where a record is "selected" by the listener, presenters used to take
the phone calls while the previous record was playing, so the call was
not live on air.

Selected in quotes, because some stations used to select only callers
who wanted to hear songs on the station playlist. The record had to be
known a while in advance anyway to allow it to be fetched from the shelf
and cued up. (I can do the same now while they are chatting using a
media player and a hard drive.)

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

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I have just discovered this: https://radiofail.wordpress.com/2022/11/18/bbc-radio-2-matt-hancock-caller-fail/
I thought the BBC delayed incoming telephone calls by a few seconds,
but maybe I am thinking of commercial stations. Is R5 Live literally
live also?

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On 07/08/2024 13:10, John Williamson wrote:

On 07/08/2024 12:29, Mark Carver wrote:

On 07/08/2024 12:16, Scott wrote:

I have just discovered this:
https://radiofail.wordpress.com/2022/11/18/bbc-radio-2-matt-hancock-caller-fail/

I thought the BBC delayed incoming telephone calls by a few seconds,
but maybe I am thinking of commercial stations. Is R5 Live literally
live also?

The BBC have never used a delay for public phone ins as far as I know.

The commercial stations always have, it was in the original 1972 IBA
technical requirements, and back in the 70s and early 80s was quite an
involved task to implement, but basically two tape machines side by
side, with some guides to lengthen the journey time of the tape from
Machine 1's rec head to Machine 2's pb head

I'm not sure if it was common, but for shows such as the one in the clip where a record is "selected" by the listener, presenters used to take
the phone calls while the previous record was playing, so the call was
not live on air.

That's what's done today on music shows, but for phone in shows that are
hours and hours long, the whole 'live' show is, and always has been delayed.

Notably LBC who have been doing it for 51 years !

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On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 13:10:12 +0100, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

On 07/08/2024 12:29, Mark Carver wrote:

On 07/08/2024 12:16, Scott wrote:

I have just discovered this:
https://radiofail.wordpress.com/2022/11/18/bbc-radio-2-matt-hancock-caller-fail/

I thought the BBC delayed incoming telephone calls by a few seconds,
but maybe I am thinking of commercial stations. Is R5 Live literally
live also?

The BBC have never used a delay for public phone ins as far as I know.

The commercial stations always have, it was in the original 1972 IBA
technical requirements, and back in the 70s and early 80s was quite an
involved task to implement, but basically two tape machines side by
side, with some guides to lengthen the journey time of the tape from
Machine 1's rec head to Machine 2's pb head

I'm not sure if it was common, but for shows such as the one in the clip >where a record is "selected" by the listener, presenters used to take
the phone calls while the previous record was playing, so the call was
not live on air.

Is this not greatly extended now with stations like Greatest Hits
Radio (in Scotland) with six named stations and the presenter
recording different links for each station during the records (to go
with local station ident and localised advertising)?

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On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 13:17:55 +0100, Mark Carver <mark@invalid.com>
wrote:

On 07/08/2024 13:10, John Williamson wrote:

On 07/08/2024 12:29, Mark Carver wrote:

On 07/08/2024 12:16, Scott wrote:

I have just discovered this:
https://radiofail.wordpress.com/2022/11/18/bbc-radio-2-matt-hancock-caller-fail/

I thought the BBC delayed incoming telephone calls by a few seconds,
but maybe I am thinking of commercial stations. Is R5 Live literally
live also?

The BBC have never used a delay for public phone ins as far as I know.

The commercial stations always have, it was in the original 1972 IBA
technical requirements, and back in the 70s and early 80s was quite an
involved task to implement, but basically two tape machines side by
side, with some guides to lengthen the journey time of the tape from
Machine 1's rec head to Machine 2's pb head

I'm not sure if it was common, but for shows such as the one in the clip
where a record is "selected" by the listener, presenters used to take
the phone calls while the previous record was playing, so the call was
not live on air.

That's what's done today on music shows, but for phone in shows that are >hours and hours long, the whole 'live' show is, and always has been delayed.

Notably LBC who have been doing it for 51 years !

Is there an Ofcom rule as to what constitutes 'live'?

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On 07/08/2024 12:29, Mark Carver wrote:

On 07/08/2024 12:16, Scott wrote:

I have just discovered this:
https://radiofail.wordpress.com/2022/11/18/bbc-radio-2-matt-hancock-
caller-fail/
I thought the BBC delayed incoming telephone calls by a few seconds,
but maybe I am thinking of commercial stations. Is R5 Live literally
live also?

The BBC have never used a delay for public phone ins as far as I know.

The commercial stations always have, it was in the original 1972 IBA technical requirements, and back in the 70s and early 80s was quite an involved task to implement, but basically two tape machines side by
side, with some guides to lengthen the journey time of the tape from
Machine 1's rec head to Machine 2's pb head

I'm surprised that OFCOM or some equivalent regulatory authority don't
require the use of a profanity delay on *any* station where there are contributions from the public who may use "naughty words" or reveal
something confidential.

I'd always assumed that any phone-in programme had to use a delay that
was long enough for someone to press the BEEP button - and that this is
why contributors are told to turn off/down any radio which is
broadcasting the station to prevent the broadcast including an echo, n
seconds later. I suppose even with truly live, you still need radios
turned off to avoid audio feedback.

It's a bit risky of BBC not to use a delay - I have no sympathy for them
if they get caught out like this ;-)

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On 07/08/2024 16:48, Scott wrote:

On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 13:17:55 +0100, Mark Carver <mark@invalid.com>
wrote:

On 07/08/2024 13:10, John Williamson wrote:

On 07/08/2024 12:29, Mark Carver wrote:

On 07/08/2024 12:16, Scott wrote:

I have just discovered this:
https://radiofail.wordpress.com/2022/11/18/bbc-radio-2-matt-hancock-caller-fail/

I thought the BBC delayed incoming telephone calls by a few seconds, >>>>> but maybe I am thinking of commercial stations. Is R5 Live literally >>>>> live also?

The BBC have never used a delay for public phone ins as far as I know. >>>>
The commercial stations always have, it was in the original 1972 IBA
technical requirements, and back in the 70s and early 80s was quite an >>>> involved task to implement, but basically two tape machines side by
side, with some guides to lengthen the journey time of the tape from
Machine 1's rec head to Machine 2's pb head

I'm not sure if it was common, but for shows such as the one in the clip >>> where a record is "selected" by the listener, presenters used to take
the phone calls while the previous record was playing, so the call was
not live on air.

That's what's done today on music shows, but for phone in shows that are
hours and hours long, the whole 'live' show is, and always has been delayed. >>
Notably LBC who have been doing it for 51 years !

Is there an Ofcom rule as to what constitutes 'live'?

Well, in this day and age, the delay between what is said in the studio,
and what is heard by the punter, and be anything up to a minute or two.

However, once something has been said, there's no practical way to stop
it coming out the other end, so that's considered to be 'live'.

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