On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 09:19:48 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
Thi morning I read where Pepsico is going to meet with DEI freaks
including the racist jackass, Al Sharpton, and it convinced me to do
what I've been contemplating for months. From now on, I'll not be
putting any gatorade (Pepsico product) into my water bottles.
There's too much sugar in Gatorade, anyway. Yesterday, I drank four
and half bottles of it, each with 32 grams of sugar. I tried Nuun
tablets a few years back and I think I'll try them again.
Are you drinking the stuff for energy or as a water replacement? I
used to use one of the packaged drinks and mixed it 1/2 to 1 with
water.
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 22:02:16 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 09:19:48 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
Thi morning I read where Pepsico is going to meet with DEI freaks
including the racist jackass, Al Sharpton, and it convinced me to do
what I've been contemplating for months. From now on, I'll not be
putting any gatorade (Pepsico product) into my water bottles.
There's too much sugar in Gatorade, anyway. Yesterday, I drank four
and half bottles of it, each with 32 grams of sugar. I tried Nuun
tablets a few years back and I think I'll try them again.
Are you drinking the stuff for energy or as a water replacement? I
used to use one of the packaged drinks and mixed it 1/2 to 1 with
water.
MOstly, I wanted the electrolites.
I bought individual packets. I was mixing one packet to 24 oz of
water. I think the packets were for 16 oz so I was mixing them lighter
than reccomended. I finish the rides on a sugar high. Not good.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 4/15/2025 11:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 22:02:16 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 09:19:48 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
Thi morning I read where Pepsico is going to meet with DEI freaks
including the racist jackass, Al Sharpton, and it convinced me to do
what I've been contemplating for months. From now on, I'll not be
putting any gatorade (Pepsico product) into my water bottles.
There's too much sugar in Gatorade, anyway. Yesterday, I drank four
and half bottles of it, each with 32 grams of sugar. I tried Nuun
tablets a few years back and I think I'll try them again.
Are you drinking the stuff for energy or as a water replacement? I
used to use one of the packaged drinks and mixed it 1/2 to 1 with
water.
MOstly, I wanted the electrolites.
I bought individual packets. I was mixing one packet to 24 oz of
water. I think the packets were for 16 oz so I was mixing them lighter
than reccomended. I finish the rides on a sugar high. Not good.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
My Gatorade story and the only one goes back to the hot Chicago Marathon
of 1989. It was 63 degrees at starting line and by mile 20 on Lake Shore >drive in the sun was in 80's. I had never trained using gatorade only >drinking water. So I think well I better drink this stuff due to the
heat. Completely wrong never do something on race day you have not
already trained and know what happens.
Gatorade must have messed up my system and I got pretty tired and worn
the last 10k. My time was 3:23 and I should have even in the heat run
the marathon in 3:15. I got to the finish and it took me 40 minutes to
stand up. A friend of mine said I was out of sugar in the body. Gave me
a real can of Coke no diet Coke. Drank the the Coke and in minutes was
fine got up went home.
Moral was I think Gatorade caused my body to process glycogen
differently than normal and depleted it. It also taste nasty and I have
never had a drop of Gatorade since that day.
It was warm and the day before the Marathon I weight 178 pounds after
topping of the body with final meal get glycogen stores full. Then night
I got home from the Marathon, after eating dinner and drinking to
replenish the body I weighed 171 pounds. During the race of course I
drank a lot so I must have really dropped serious weight.
No gatorade.
On 4/15/2025 11:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 22:02:16 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 09:19:48 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
Thi morning I read where Pepsico is going to meet with DEI freaks
including the racist jackass, Al Sharpton, and it convinced me to do
what I've been contemplating for months. From now on, I'll not be
putting any gatorade (Pepsico product) into my water bottles.
There's too much sugar in Gatorade, anyway. Yesterday, I drank four
and half bottles of it, each with 32 grams of sugar. I tried Nuun
tablets a few years back and I think I'll try them again.
Are you drinking the stuff for energy or as a water replacement? I
used to use one of the packaged drinks and mixed it 1/2 to 1 with
water.
MOstly, I wanted the electrolites.
I bought individual packets. I was mixing one packet to 24 oz of
water. I think the packets were for 16 oz so I was mixing them lighter
than reccomended. I finish the rides on a sugar high. Not good.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
My Gatorade story and the only one goes back to the hot Chicago Marathon
of 1989. It was 63 degrees at starting line and by mile 20 on Lake Shore drive in the sun was in 80's. I had never trained using gatorade only drinking water. So I think well I better drink this stuff due to the
heat. Completely wrong never do something on race day you have not
already trained and know what happens.
Gatorade must have messed up my system and I got pretty tired and worn
the last 10k. My time was 3:23 and I should have even in the heat run
the marathon in 3:15. I got to the finish and it took me 40 minutes to
stand up. A friend of mine said I was out of sugar in the body. Gave me
a real can of Coke no diet Coke. Drank the the Coke and in minutes was
fine got up went home.
Moral was I think Gatorade caused my body to process glycogen
differently than normal and depleted it. It also taste nasty and I have
never had a drop of Gatorade since that day.
It was warm and the day before the Marathon I weight 178 pounds after
topping of the body with final meal get glycogen stores full. Then night
I got home from the Marathon, after eating dinner and drinking to
replenish the body I weighed 171 pounds. During the race of course I
drank a lot so I must have really dropped serious weight.
No gatorade.
On 4/15/2025 3:27 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
On 4/15/2025 11:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 22:02:16 +0700, John B.
<slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 09:19:48 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
Thi morning I read where Pepsico is going to meet with
DEI freaks
including the racist jackass, Al Sharpton, and it
convinced me to do
what I've been contemplating for months. From now on,
I'll not be
putting any gatorade (Pepsico product) into my water
bottles.
There's too much sugar in Gatorade, anyway. Yesterday,
I drank four
and half bottles of it, each with 32 grams of sugar. I
tried Nuun
tablets a few years back and I think I'll try them again.
Are you drinking the stuff for energy or as a water
replacement? I
used to use one of the packaged drinks and mixed it 1/2
to 1 with
water.
MOstly, I wanted the electrolites.
I bought individual packets. I was mixing one packet to
24 oz of
water. I think the packets were for 16 oz so I was mixing
them lighter
than reccomended. I finish the rides on a sugar high.
Not good.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
My Gatorade story and the only one goes back to the hot
Chicago Marathon of 1989. It was 63 degrees at starting
line and by mile 20 on Lake Shore drive in the sun was in
80's. I had never trained using gatorade only drinking
water. So I think well I better drink this stuff due to
the heat. Completely wrong never do something on race day
you have not already trained and know what happens.
Exactly. Volumes have been written on acclimatizing "race
day" diets.
Gatorade must have messed up my system and I got pretty
tired and worn the last 10k. My time was 3:23 and I should
have even in the heat run the marathon in 3:15. I got to
the finish and it took me 40 minutes to stand up. A friend
of mine said I was out of sugar in the body. Gave me a
real can of Coke no diet Coke. Drank the the Coke and in
minutes was fine got up went home.
Moral was I think Gatorade caused my body to process
glycogen differently than normal and depleted it. It also
taste nasty and I have never had a drop of Gatorade since
that day.
It isn't likely that you ran out of sugar, rather, it
probably created an electrolyte imbalance which didn't allow
you to process water (and possibly glycogen) the way you
were used to it.
Once you stopped exercising your body processes stabilized*.
Pretty much any sugary drink (even more gatorade, if you
weren't ready to puke at the sight of it) would have worked.
*In exercise physiology this stability is known as Homeostasis
It's also known that too much sugar in your stomach while
exercising can reduce the water and electrolyte uptake from
your stomach. "gut training" is the new thing in endurance
sports training.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28332114/ #:~:text=It%20is%20clear%20that%20%22nutritional%20training%22%20can,which%20it%20will%20be%20required%20to%20function.
It was warm and the day before the Marathon I weight 178
pounds after topping of the body with final meal get
glycogen stores full. Then night I got home from the
Marathon, after eating dinner and drinking to replenish
the body I weighed 171 pounds. During the race of course
I drank a lot so I must have really dropped serious weight.
No gatorade.
Gatorade in 1989 was very different than today's
formulation. The original gatorade developed at the
University of Florida back in the 70s used cane sugar, and
not very much of it. The focus was much more on electrolyte
replacement to the point that it had a slightly salty taste
and very little sweetness. By the late 80's they had
switched to HFCS so it was sicky sweet. Today's gatorade has
a much higher sugar content than it did back then, and it's
also a different type. These days it depends on which
variant you buy, but they list it generically as sugar with
varying amounts of dextrose, and it can be anywhere from 12
g to 30 g of sugar per serving (except for the 0 sugar
options of course, but...artificial sweeteners....blech)
For a while I was drinking regular Gatorade cut 1/2 1/2 with
water (straight gatorade is way too sweet) until I found a
formula in a triathlon forum I make at home.
Mix in a 2 qt container of water:
- 1/4 cup of honey
- 1/4 cup of lemon juice concentrate
- 1 teaspoon of electrolyte powder (https:// drinkfastfuel.com/products/fast-fuel-electrolyte-drink-mix)
Essentially it's homemade lemonade with electrolyte powder,
cut to a light sugar concentration. With the electrolyte
powder it tastes quite a bit like the original gatorade
before they started adding all the sugar.
On 4/15/2025 3:44 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/15/2025 3:27 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
On 4/15/2025 11:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 22:02:16 +0700, John B.
<slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 09:19:48 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
Thi morning I read where Pepsico is going to meet with
DEI freaks
including the racist jackass, Al Sharpton, and it
convinced me to do
what I've been contemplating for months. From now on,
I'll not be
putting any gatorade (Pepsico product) into my water
bottles.
There's too much sugar in Gatorade, anyway. Yesterday,
I drank four
and half bottles of it, each with 32 grams of sugar. I
tried Nuun
tablets a few years back and I think I'll try them again.
Are you drinking the stuff for energy or as a water
replacement? I
used to use one of the packaged drinks and mixed it 1/2
to 1 with
water.
MOstly, I wanted the electrolites.
I bought individual packets. I was mixing one packet to
24 oz of
water. I think the packets were for 16 oz so I was mixing
them lighter
than reccomended. I finish the rides on a sugar high.
Not good.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
My Gatorade story and the only one goes back to the hot
Chicago Marathon of 1989. It was 63 degrees at starting
line and by mile 20 on Lake Shore drive in the sun was in
80's. I had never trained using gatorade only drinking
water. So I think well I better drink this stuff due to
the heat. Completely wrong never do something on race day
you have not already trained and know what happens.
Exactly. Volumes have been written on acclimatizing "race
day" diets.
Gatorade must have messed up my system and I got pretty
tired and worn the last 10k. My time was 3:23 and I should
have even in the heat run the marathon in 3:15. I got to
the finish and it took me 40 minutes to stand up. A friend
of mine said I was out of sugar in the body. Gave me a
real can of Coke no diet Coke. Drank the the Coke and in
minutes was fine got up went home.
Moral was I think Gatorade caused my body to process
glycogen differently than normal and depleted it. It also
taste nasty and I have never had a drop of Gatorade since
that day.
It isn't likely that you ran out of sugar, rather, it
probably created an electrolyte imbalance which didn't allow
you to process water (and possibly glycogen) the way you
were used to it.
Once you stopped exercising your body processes stabilized*.
Pretty much any sugary drink (even more gatorade, if you
weren't ready to puke at the sight of it) would have worked.
*In exercise physiology this stability is known as Homeostasis
It's also known that too much sugar in your stomach while
exercising can reduce the water and electrolyte uptake from
your stomach. "gut training" is the new thing in endurance
sports training.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28332114/
#:~:text=It%20is%20clear%20that%20%22nutritional%20training%22%20can,which%20it%20will%20be%20required%20to%20function.
It was warm and the day before the Marathon I weight 178
pounds after topping of the body with final meal get
glycogen stores full. Then night I got home from the
Marathon, after eating dinner and drinking to replenish
the body I weighed 171 pounds. During the race of course
I drank a lot so I must have really dropped serious weight.
No gatorade.
Gatorade in 1989 was very different than today's
formulation. The original gatorade developed at the
University of Florida back in the 70s used cane sugar, and
not very much of it. The focus was much more on electrolyte
replacement to the point that it had a slightly salty taste
and very little sweetness. By the late 80's they had
switched to HFCS so it was sicky sweet. Today's gatorade has
a much higher sugar content than it did back then, and it's
also a different type. These days it depends on which
variant you buy, but they list it generically as sugar with
varying amounts of dextrose, and it can be anywhere from 12
g to 30 g of sugar per serving (except for the 0 sugar
options of course, but...artificial sweeteners....blech)
For a while I was drinking regular Gatorade cut 1/2 1/2 with
water (straight gatorade is way too sweet) until I found a
formula in a triathlon forum I make at home.
Mix in a 2 qt container of water:
- 1/4 cup of honey
- 1/4 cup of lemon juice concentrate
- 1 teaspoon of electrolyte powder (https://
drinkfastfuel.com/products/fast-fuel-electrolyte-drink-mix)
Essentially it's homemade lemonade with electrolyte powder,
cut to a light sugar concentration. With the electrolyte
powder it tastes quite a bit like the original gatorade
before they started adding all the sugar.
Did you ever drink Gookinade from Bill Gookin?
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 16:13:00 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/15/2025 3:44 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/15/2025 3:27 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
On 4/15/2025 11:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 22:02:16 +0700, John B.
<slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 09:19:48 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
Thi morning I read where Pepsico is going to meet with
DEI freaks
including the racist jackass, Al Sharpton, and it
convinced me to do
what I've been contemplating for months. From now on,
I'll not be
putting any gatorade (Pepsico product) into my water
bottles.
There's too much sugar in Gatorade, anyway. Yesterday,
I drank four
and half bottles of it, each with 32 grams of sugar. I
tried Nuun
tablets a few years back and I think I'll try them again.
Are you drinking the stuff for energy or as a water
replacement? I
used to use one of the packaged drinks and mixed it 1/2
to 1 with
water.
MOstly, I wanted the electrolites.
I bought individual packets. I was mixing one packet to
24 oz of
water. I think the packets were for 16 oz so I was mixing
them lighter
than reccomended. I finish the rides on a sugar high.
Not good.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
My Gatorade story and the only one goes back to the hot
Chicago Marathon of 1989. It was 63 degrees at starting
line and by mile 20 on Lake Shore drive in the sun was in
80's. I had never trained using gatorade only drinking
water. So I think well I better drink this stuff due to
the heat. Completely wrong never do something on race day
you have not already trained and know what happens.
Exactly. Volumes have been written on acclimatizing "race
day" diets.
Gatorade must have messed up my system and I got pretty
tired and worn the last 10k. My time was 3:23 and I should
have even in the heat run the marathon in 3:15. I got to
the finish and it took me 40 minutes to stand up. A friend
of mine said I was out of sugar in the body. Gave me a
real can of Coke no diet Coke. Drank the the Coke and in
minutes was fine got up went home.
Moral was I think Gatorade caused my body to process
glycogen differently than normal and depleted it. It also
taste nasty and I have never had a drop of Gatorade since
that day.
It isn't likely that you ran out of sugar, rather, it
probably created an electrolyte imbalance which didn't allow
you to process water (and possibly glycogen) the way you
were used to it.
Once you stopped exercising your body processes stabilized*.
Pretty much any sugary drink (even more gatorade, if you
weren't ready to puke at the sight of it) would have worked.
*In exercise physiology this stability is known as Homeostasis
It's also known that too much sugar in your stomach while
exercising can reduce the water and electrolyte uptake from
your stomach. "gut training" is the new thing in endurance
sports training.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28332114/
#:~:text=It%20is%20clear%20that%20%22nutritional%20training%22%20can,which%20it%20will%20be%20required%20to%20function.
It was warm and the day before the Marathon I weight 178
pounds after topping of the body with final meal get
glycogen stores full. Then night I got home from the
Marathon, after eating dinner and drinking to replenish
the body I weighed 171 pounds. During the race of course
I drank a lot so I must have really dropped serious weight.
No gatorade.
Gatorade in 1989 was very different than today's
formulation. The original gatorade developed at the
University of Florida back in the 70s used cane sugar, and
not very much of it. The focus was much more on electrolyte
replacement to the point that it had a slightly salty taste
and very little sweetness. By the late 80's they had
switched to HFCS so it was sicky sweet. Today's gatorade has
a much higher sugar content than it did back then, and it's
also a different type. These days it depends on which
variant you buy, but they list it generically as sugar with
varying amounts of dextrose, and it can be anywhere from 12
g to 30 g of sugar per serving (except for the 0 sugar
options of course, but...artificial sweeteners....blech)
For a while I was drinking regular Gatorade cut 1/2 1/2 with
water (straight gatorade is way too sweet) until I found a
formula in a triathlon forum I make at home.
Mix in a 2 qt container of water:
- 1/4 cup of honey
- 1/4 cup of lemon juice concentrate
- 1 teaspoon of electrolyte powder (https://
drinkfastfuel.com/products/fast-fuel-electrolyte-drink-mix)
Essentially it's homemade lemonade with electrolyte powder,
cut to a light sugar concentration. With the electrolyte
powder it tastes quite a bit like the original gatorade
before they started adding all the sugar.
Did you ever drink Gookinade from Bill Gookin?
It appears to have 21 grams of sugure. That's still too much
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 4/15/2025 4:30 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 16:13:00 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/15/2025 3:44 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/15/2025 3:27 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
On 4/15/2025 11:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 22:02:16 +0700, John B.
<slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 09:19:48 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
Thi morning I read where Pepsico is going to meet with
DEI freaks
including the racist jackass, Al Sharpton, and it
convinced me to do
what I've been contemplating for months. From now on,
I'll not be
putting any gatorade (Pepsico product) into my water
bottles.
There's too much sugar in Gatorade, anyway. Yesterday,
I drank four
and half bottles of it, each with 32 grams of sugar. I
tried Nuun
tablets a few years back and I think I'll try them again.
Are you drinking the stuff for energy or as a water
replacement? I
used to use one of the packaged drinks and mixed it 1/2
to 1 with
water.
MOstly, I wanted the electrolites.
I bought individual packets. I was mixing one packet to
24 oz of
water. I think the packets were for 16 oz so I was mixing
them lighter
than reccomended. I finish the rides on a sugar high.
Not good.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
My Gatorade story and the only one goes back to the hot
Chicago Marathon of 1989. It was 63 degrees at starting
line and by mile 20 on Lake Shore drive in the sun was in
80's. I had never trained using gatorade only drinking
water. So I think well I better drink this stuff due to
the heat. Completely wrong never do something on race day
you have not already trained and know what happens.
Exactly. Volumes have been written on acclimatizing "race
day" diets.
Gatorade must have messed up my system and I got pretty
tired and worn the last 10k. My time was 3:23 and I should
have even in the heat run the marathon in 3:15. I got to
the finish and it took me 40 minutes to stand up. A friend
of mine said I was out of sugar in the body. Gave me a
real can of Coke no diet Coke. Drank the the Coke and in
minutes was fine got up went home.
Moral was I think Gatorade caused my body to process
glycogen differently than normal and depleted it. It also
taste nasty and I have never had a drop of Gatorade since
that day.
It isn't likely that you ran out of sugar, rather, it
probably created an electrolyte imbalance which didn't allow
you to process water (and possibly glycogen) the way you
were used to it.
Once you stopped exercising your body processes stabilized*.
Pretty much any sugary drink (even more gatorade, if you
weren't ready to puke at the sight of it) would have worked.
*In exercise physiology this stability is known as Homeostasis
It's also known that too much sugar in your stomach while
exercising can reduce the water and electrolyte uptake from
your stomach. "gut training" is the new thing in endurance
sports training.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28332114/
#:~:text=It%20is%20clear%20that%20%22nutritional%20training%22%20can,which%20it%20will%20be%20required%20to%20function.
It was warm and the day before the Marathon I weight 178
pounds after topping of the body with final meal get
glycogen stores full. Then night I got home from the
Marathon, after eating dinner and drinking to replenish
the body I weighed 171 pounds. During the race of course
I drank a lot so I must have really dropped serious weight.
No gatorade.
Gatorade in 1989 was very different than today's
formulation. The original gatorade developed at the
University of Florida back in the 70s used cane sugar, and
not very much of it. The focus was much more on electrolyte
replacement to the point that it had a slightly salty taste
and very little sweetness. By the late 80's they had
switched to HFCS so it was sicky sweet. Today's gatorade has
a much higher sugar content than it did back then, and it's
also a different type. These days it depends on which
variant you buy, but they list it generically as sugar with
varying amounts of dextrose, and it can be anywhere from 12
g to 30 g of sugar per serving (except for the 0 sugar
options of course, but...artificial sweeteners....blech)
For a while I was drinking regular Gatorade cut 1/2 1/2 with
water (straight gatorade is way too sweet) until I found a
formula in a triathlon forum I make at home.
Mix in a 2 qt container of water:
- 1/4 cup of honey
- 1/4 cup of lemon juice concentrate
- 1 teaspoon of electrolyte powder (https://
drinkfastfuel.com/products/fast-fuel-electrolyte-drink-mix)
Essentially it's homemade lemonade with electrolyte powder,
cut to a light sugar concentration. With the electrolyte
powder it tastes quite a bit like the original gatorade
before they started adding all the sugar.
Did you ever drink Gookinade from Bill Gookin?
It appears to have 21 grams of sugure. That's still too much
--
C'est bon
Soloman
In the mid 1970s we sold it and customers were primarily
runners not cyclists (although there is of course overlap).
On 4/15/2025 3:44 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/15/2025 3:27 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
On 4/15/2025 11:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 22:02:16 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 09:19:48 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
Thi morning I read where Pepsico is going to meet with DEI freaks
including the racist jackass, Al Sharpton, and it convinced me to do >>>>>> what I've been contemplating for months. From now on, I'll not be
putting any gatorade (Pepsico product) into my water bottles.
There's too much sugar in Gatorade, anyway. Yesterday, I drank four >>>>>> and half bottles of it, each with 32 grams of sugar. I tried Nuun
tablets a few years back and I think I'll try them again.
Are you drinking the stuff for energy or as a water replacement? I
used to use one of the packaged drinks and mixed it 1/2 to 1 with
water.
MOstly, I wanted the electrolites.
I bought individual packets. I was mixing one packet to 24 oz of
water. I think the packets were for 16 oz so I was mixing them lighter >>>> than reccomended. I finish the rides on a sugar high. Not good.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
My Gatorade story and the only one goes back to the hot Chicago
Marathon of 1989. It was 63 degrees at starting line and by mile 20
on Lake Shore drive in the sun was in 80's. I had never trained using
gatorade only drinking water. So I think well I better drink this
stuff due to the heat. Completely wrong never do something on race
day you have not already trained and know what happens.
Exactly. Volumes have been written on acclimatizing "race day" diets.
Gatorade must have messed up my system and I got pretty tired and
worn the last 10k. My time was 3:23 and I should have even in the
heat run the marathon in 3:15. I got to the finish and it took me 40
minutes to stand up. A friend of mine said I was out of sugar in the
body. Gave me a real can of Coke no diet Coke. Drank the the Coke and
in minutes was fine got up went home.
Moral was I think Gatorade caused my body to process glycogen
differently than normal and depleted it. It also taste nasty and I
have never had a drop of Gatorade since that day.
It isn't likely that you ran out of sugar, rather, it probably created
an electrolyte imbalance which didn't allow you to process water (and
possibly glycogen) the way you were used to it.
Once you stopped exercising your body processes stabilized*. Pretty
much any sugary drink (even more gatorade, if you weren't ready to
puke at the sight of it) would have worked.
*In exercise physiology this stability is known as Homeostasis
It's also known that too much sugar in your stomach while exercising
can reduce the water and electrolyte uptake from your stomach. "gut
training" is the new thing in endurance sports training.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28332114/
#:~:text=It%20is%20clear%20that%20%22nutritional%20training%22%20can,which%20it%20will%20be%20required%20to%20function.
It was warm and the day before the Marathon I weight 178 pounds after
topping of the body with final meal get glycogen stores full. Then
night I got home from the Marathon, after eating dinner and drinking
to replenish the body I weighed 171 pounds. During the race of
course I drank a lot so I must have really dropped serious weight.
No gatorade.
Gatorade in 1989 was very different than today's formulation. The
original gatorade developed at the University of Florida back in the
70s used cane sugar, and not very much of it. The focus was much more
on electrolyte replacement to the point that it had a slightly salty
taste and very little sweetness. By the late 80's they had switched to
HFCS so it was sicky sweet. Today's gatorade has a much higher sugar
content than it did back then, and it's also a different type. These
days it depends on which variant you buy, but they list it generically
as sugar with varying amounts of dextrose, and it can be anywhere from
12 g to 30 g of sugar per serving (except for the 0 sugar options of
course, but...artificial sweeteners....blech)
For a while I was drinking regular Gatorade cut 1/2 1/2 with water
(straight gatorade is way too sweet) until I found a formula in a
triathlon forum I make at home.
Mix in a 2 qt container of water:
- 1/4 cup of honey
- 1/4 cup of lemon juice concentrate
- 1 teaspoon of electrolyte powder (https:// drinkfastfuel.com/
products/fast-fuel-electrolyte-drink-mix)
Essentially it's homemade lemonade with electrolyte powder, cut to a
light sugar concentration. With the electrolyte powder it tastes quite
a bit like the original gatorade before they started adding all the
sugar.
Did you ever drink Gookinade from Bill Gookin?
On 4/15/2025 5:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/15/2025 3:44 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/15/2025 3:27 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
On 4/15/2025 11:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 22:02:16 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 09:19:48 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
Thi morning I read where Pepsico is going to meet with DEI freaks >>>>>>> including the racist jackass, Al Sharpton, and it convinced me to do >>>>>>> what I've been contemplating for months. From now on, I'll not be >>>>>>> putting any gatorade (Pepsico product) into my water bottles.
There's too much sugar in Gatorade, anyway. Yesterday, I drank four >>>>>>> and half bottles of it, each with 32 grams of sugar. I tried Nuun >>>>>>> tablets a few years back and I think I'll try them again.
Are you drinking the stuff for energy or as a water replacement? I >>>>>> used to use one of the packaged drinks and mixed it 1/2 to 1 with
water.
MOstly, I wanted the electrolites.
I bought individual packets. I was mixing one packet to 24 oz of
water. I think the packets were for 16 oz so I was mixing them lighter >>>>> than reccomended. I finish the rides on a sugar high. Not good.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
My Gatorade story and the only one goes back to the hot Chicago
Marathon of 1989. It was 63 degrees at starting line and by mile 20
on Lake Shore drive in the sun was in 80's. I had never trained using
gatorade only drinking water. So I think well I better drink this
stuff due to the heat. Completely wrong never do something on race
day you have not already trained and know what happens.
Exactly. Volumes have been written on acclimatizing "race day" diets.
Gatorade must have messed up my system and I got pretty tired and
worn the last 10k. My time was 3:23 and I should have even in the
heat run the marathon in 3:15. I got to the finish and it took me 40
minutes to stand up. A friend of mine said I was out of sugar in the
body. Gave me a real can of Coke no diet Coke. Drank the the Coke and
in minutes was fine got up went home.
Moral was I think Gatorade caused my body to process glycogen
differently than normal and depleted it. It also taste nasty and I
have never had a drop of Gatorade since that day.
It isn't likely that you ran out of sugar, rather, it probably created
an electrolyte imbalance which didn't allow you to process water (and
possibly glycogen) the way you were used to it.
Once you stopped exercising your body processes stabilized*. Pretty
much any sugary drink (even more gatorade, if you weren't ready to
puke at the sight of it) would have worked.
*In exercise physiology this stability is known as Homeostasis
It's also known that too much sugar in your stomach while exercising
can reduce the water and electrolyte uptake from your stomach. "gut
training" is the new thing in endurance sports training.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28332114/
#:~:text=It%20is%20clear%20that%20%22nutritional%20training%22%20can,which%20it%20will%20be%20required%20to%20function.
It was warm and the day before the Marathon I weight 178 pounds after
topping of the body with final meal get glycogen stores full. Then
night I got home from the Marathon, after eating dinner and drinking
to replenish the body I weighed 171 pounds. During the race of
course I drank a lot so I must have really dropped serious weight.
No gatorade.
Gatorade in 1989 was very different than today's formulation. The
original gatorade developed at the University of Florida back in the
70s used cane sugar, and not very much of it. The focus was much more
on electrolyte replacement to the point that it had a slightly salty
taste and very little sweetness. By the late 80's they had switched to
HFCS so it was sicky sweet. Today's gatorade has a much higher sugar
content than it did back then, and it's also a different type. These
days it depends on which variant you buy, but they list it generically
as sugar with varying amounts of dextrose, and it can be anywhere from
12 g to 30 g of sugar per serving (except for the 0 sugar options of
course, but...artificial sweeteners....blech)
For a while I was drinking regular Gatorade cut 1/2 1/2 with water
(straight gatorade is way too sweet) until I found a formula in a
triathlon forum I make at home.
Mix in a 2 qt container of water:
- 1/4 cup of honey
- 1/4 cup of lemon juice concentrate
- 1 teaspoon of electrolyte powder (https:// drinkfastfuel.com/
products/fast-fuel-electrolyte-drink-mix)
Essentially it's homemade lemonade with electrolyte powder, cut to a
light sugar concentration. With the electrolyte powder it tastes quite
a bit like the original gatorade before they started adding all the
sugar.
Did you ever drink Gookinade from Bill Gookin?
No, I've actually never heard of it, appears to be Vitalyte now. I like
that the carb structure is predominantly glucose - much better for
uptake while exercising.>
Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4/15/2025 5:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:I’ve only ever heard of amount of carbs per hour which would slowly release sugars,
On 4/15/2025 3:44 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/15/2025 3:27 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
On 4/15/2025 11:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 22:02:16 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 09:19:48 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
Thi morning I read where Pepsico is going to meet with DEI freaks >>>>>>>> including the racist jackass, Al Sharpton, and it convinced me to do >>>>>>>> what I've been contemplating for months. From now on, I'll not be >>>>>>>> putting any gatorade (Pepsico product) into my water bottles.
There's too much sugar in Gatorade, anyway. Yesterday, I drank four >>>>>>>> and half bottles of it, each with 32 grams of sugar. I tried Nuun >>>>>>>> tablets a few years back and I think I'll try them again.
Are you drinking the stuff for energy or as a water replacement? I >>>>>>> used to use one of the packaged drinks and mixed it 1/2 to 1 with >>>>>>> water.
MOstly, I wanted the electrolites.
I bought individual packets. I was mixing one packet to 24 oz of
water. I think the packets were for 16 oz so I was mixing them lighter >>>>>> than reccomended. I finish the rides on a sugar high. Not good.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
My Gatorade story and the only one goes back to the hot Chicago
Marathon of 1989. It was 63 degrees at starting line and by mile 20
on Lake Shore drive in the sun was in 80's. I had never trained using >>>>> gatorade only drinking water. So I think well I better drink this
stuff due to the heat. Completely wrong never do something on race
day you have not already trained and know what happens.
Exactly. Volumes have been written on acclimatizing "race day" diets.
Gatorade must have messed up my system and I got pretty tired and
worn the last 10k. My time was 3:23 and I should have even in the
heat run the marathon in 3:15. I got to the finish and it took me 40 >>>>> minutes to stand up. A friend of mine said I was out of sugar in the >>>>> body. Gave me a real can of Coke no diet Coke. Drank the the Coke and >>>>> in minutes was fine got up went home.
Moral was I think Gatorade caused my body to process glycogen
differently than normal and depleted it. It also taste nasty and I
have never had a drop of Gatorade since that day.
It isn't likely that you ran out of sugar, rather, it probably created >>>> an electrolyte imbalance which didn't allow you to process water (and
possibly glycogen) the way you were used to it.
Once you stopped exercising your body processes stabilized*. Pretty
much any sugary drink (even more gatorade, if you weren't ready to
puke at the sight of it) would have worked.
*In exercise physiology this stability is known as Homeostasis
It's also known that too much sugar in your stomach while exercising
can reduce the water and electrolyte uptake from your stomach. "gut
training" is the new thing in endurance sports training.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28332114/
#:~:text=It%20is%20clear%20that%20%22nutritional%20training%22%20can,which%20it%20will%20be%20required%20to%20function.
It was warm and the day before the Marathon I weight 178 pounds after >>>>> topping of the body with final meal get glycogen stores full. Then
night I got home from the Marathon, after eating dinner and drinking >>>>> to replenish the body I weighed 171 pounds. During the race of
course I drank a lot so I must have really dropped serious weight.
No gatorade.
Gatorade in 1989 was very different than today's formulation. The
original gatorade developed at the University of Florida back in the
70s used cane sugar, and not very much of it. The focus was much more
on electrolyte replacement to the point that it had a slightly salty
taste and very little sweetness. By the late 80's they had switched to >>>> HFCS so it was sicky sweet. Today's gatorade has a much higher sugar
content than it did back then, and it's also a different type. These
days it depends on which variant you buy, but they list it generically >>>> as sugar with varying amounts of dextrose, and it can be anywhere from >>>> 12 g to 30 g of sugar per serving (except for the 0 sugar options of
course, but...artificial sweeteners....blech)
For a while I was drinking regular Gatorade cut 1/2 1/2 with water
(straight gatorade is way too sweet) until I found a formula in a
triathlon forum I make at home.
Mix in a 2 qt container of water:
- 1/4 cup of honey
- 1/4 cup of lemon juice concentrate
- 1 teaspoon of electrolyte powder (https:// drinkfastfuel.com/
products/fast-fuel-electrolyte-drink-mix)
Essentially it's homemade lemonade with electrolyte powder, cut to a
light sugar concentration. With the electrolyte powder it tastes quite >>>> a bit like the original gatorade before they started adding all the
sugar.
Did you ever drink Gookinade from Bill Gookin?
No, I've actually never heard of it, appears to be Vitalyte now. I like
that the carb structure is predominantly glucose - much better for
uptake while exercising.>
generally robust nature regarding “bonks/suger crashes” though I’m certainly much much better if I do!
Ie eating well over a long ride has a much more pronounced impact than any kit!
Roger Merriman
On 4/16/2025 11:34 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4/15/2025 5:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:I’ve only ever heard of amount of carbs per hour which would slowly release
On 4/15/2025 3:44 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/15/2025 3:27 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
On 4/15/2025 11:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 22:02:16 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 09:19:48 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
Thi morning I read where Pepsico is going to meet with DEI freaks >>>>>>>>> including the racist jackass, Al Sharpton, and it convinced me to do >>>>>>>>> what I've been contemplating for months. From now on, I'll not be >>>>>>>>> putting any gatorade (Pepsico product) into my water bottles. >>>>>>>>>
There's too much sugar in Gatorade, anyway. Yesterday, I drank four >>>>>>>>> and half bottles of it, each with 32 grams of sugar. I tried Nuun >>>>>>>>> tablets a few years back and I think I'll try them again.
Are you drinking the stuff for energy or as a water replacement? I >>>>>>>> used to use one of the packaged drinks and mixed it 1/2 to 1 with >>>>>>>> water.
MOstly, I wanted the electrolites.
I bought individual packets. I was mixing one packet to 24 oz of >>>>>>> water. I think the packets were for 16 oz so I was mixing them lighter >>>>>>> than reccomended. I finish the rides on a sugar high. Not good.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
My Gatorade story and the only one goes back to the hot Chicago
Marathon of 1989. It was 63 degrees at starting line and by mile 20 >>>>>> on Lake Shore drive in the sun was in 80's. I had never trained using >>>>>> gatorade only drinking water. So I think well I better drink this
stuff due to the heat. Completely wrong never do something on race >>>>>> day you have not already trained and know what happens.
Exactly. Volumes have been written on acclimatizing "race day" diets. >>>>>
Gatorade must have messed up my system and I got pretty tired and
worn the last 10k. My time was 3:23 and I should have even in the
heat run the marathon in 3:15. I got to the finish and it took me 40 >>>>>> minutes to stand up. A friend of mine said I was out of sugar in the >>>>>> body. Gave me a real can of Coke no diet Coke. Drank the the Coke and >>>>>> in minutes was fine got up went home.
Moral was I think Gatorade caused my body to process glycogen
differently than normal and depleted it. It also taste nasty and I >>>>>> have never had a drop of Gatorade since that day.
It isn't likely that you ran out of sugar, rather, it probably created >>>>> an electrolyte imbalance which didn't allow you to process water (and >>>>> possibly glycogen) the way you were used to it.
Once you stopped exercising your body processes stabilized*. Pretty
much any sugary drink (even more gatorade, if you weren't ready to
puke at the sight of it) would have worked.
*In exercise physiology this stability is known as Homeostasis
It's also known that too much sugar in your stomach while exercising >>>>> can reduce the water and electrolyte uptake from your stomach. "gut
training" is the new thing in endurance sports training.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28332114/
#:~:text=It%20is%20clear%20that%20%22nutritional%20training%22%20can,which%20it%20will%20be%20required%20to%20function.
It was warm and the day before the Marathon I weight 178 pounds after >>>>>> topping of the body with final meal get glycogen stores full. Then >>>>>> night I got home from the Marathon, after eating dinner and drinking >>>>>> to replenish the body I weighed 171 pounds. During the race of
course I drank a lot so I must have really dropped serious weight. >>>>>>
No gatorade.
Gatorade in 1989 was very different than today's formulation. The
original gatorade developed at the University of Florida back in the >>>>> 70s used cane sugar, and not very much of it. The focus was much more >>>>> on electrolyte replacement to the point that it had a slightly salty >>>>> taste and very little sweetness. By the late 80's they had switched to >>>>> HFCS so it was sicky sweet. Today's gatorade has a much higher sugar >>>>> content than it did back then, and it's also a different type. These >>>>> days it depends on which variant you buy, but they list it generically >>>>> as sugar with varying amounts of dextrose, and it can be anywhere from >>>>> 12 g to 30 g of sugar per serving (except for the 0 sugar options of >>>>> course, but...artificial sweeteners....blech)
For a while I was drinking regular Gatorade cut 1/2 1/2 with water
(straight gatorade is way too sweet) until I found a formula in a
triathlon forum I make at home.
Mix in a 2 qt container of water:
- 1/4 cup of honey
- 1/4 cup of lemon juice concentrate
- 1 teaspoon of electrolyte powder (https:// drinkfastfuel.com/
products/fast-fuel-electrolyte-drink-mix)
Essentially it's homemade lemonade with electrolyte powder, cut to a >>>>> light sugar concentration. With the electrolyte powder it tastes quite >>>>> a bit like the original gatorade before they started adding all the
sugar.
Did you ever drink Gookinade from Bill Gookin?
No, I've actually never heard of it, appears to be Vitalyte now. I like
that the carb structure is predominantly glucose - much better for
uptake while exercising.>
sugars,
Turns out that carbohydrate uptake is something you can train (related
to "gut training" noted above).
The thinking used to be that carbohydrate was physiologically limited
within a range or 30 - 60 grams per hour depending on the individual.
REcent studies have shown that it's possible to not only train your
system to tolerate up to 120 grams per hour, but in the case of elite athletes, to actually be able to metabolize that much for high intensity sessions of long duration (an iron man triathlon or the Paris-Roubaix,
for example).
https://amacx.com/blogs/news/120-grams-of-carbohydrates-per-hour
though I generally don’t take it seriously enough and rely on my
generally robust nature regarding “bonks/suger crashes” though I’m
certainly much much better if I do!
Ie eating well over a long ride has a much more pronounced impact than any >> kit!
Roger Merriman
On 4/16/2025 4:56 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4/16/2025 11:34 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:My main issue really is I don’t like the gels etc or at least the ones I’ve
Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4/15/2025 5:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:I’ve only ever heard of amount of carbs per hour which would slowly release
On 4/15/2025 3:44 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/15/2025 3:27 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
On 4/15/2025 11:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 22:02:16 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 09:19:48 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
Thi morning I read where Pepsico is going to meet with DEI freaks >>>>>>>>>>> including the racist jackass, Al Sharpton, and it convinced me to do
what I've been contemplating for months. From now on, I'll not be >>>>>>>>>>> putting any gatorade (Pepsico product) into my water bottles. >>>>>>>>>>>
There's too much sugar in Gatorade, anyway. Yesterday, I drank four >>>>>>>>>>> and half bottles of it, each with 32 grams of sugar. I tried Nuun >>>>>>>>>>> tablets a few years back and I think I'll try them again. >>>>>>>>>>
Are you drinking the stuff for energy or as a water replacement? I >>>>>>>>>> used to use one of the packaged drinks and mixed it 1/2 to 1 with >>>>>>>>>> water.
MOstly, I wanted the electrolites.
I bought individual packets. I was mixing one packet to 24 oz of >>>>>>>>> water. I think the packets were for 16 oz so I was mixing them lighter
than reccomended. I finish the rides on a sugar high. Not good. >>>>>>>>>
--
C'est bon
Soloman
My Gatorade story and the only one goes back to the hot Chicago >>>>>>>> Marathon of 1989. It was 63 degrees at starting line and by mile 20 >>>>>>>> on Lake Shore drive in the sun was in 80's. I had never trained using >>>>>>>> gatorade only drinking water. So I think well I better drink this >>>>>>>> stuff due to the heat. Completely wrong never do something on race >>>>>>>> day you have not already trained and know what happens.
Exactly. Volumes have been written on acclimatizing "race day" diets. >>>>>>>
Gatorade must have messed up my system and I got pretty tired and >>>>>>>> worn the last 10k. My time was 3:23 and I should have even in the >>>>>>>> heat run the marathon in 3:15. I got to the finish and it took me 40 >>>>>>>> minutes to stand up. A friend of mine said I was out of sugar in the >>>>>>>> body. Gave me a real can of Coke no diet Coke. Drank the the Coke and >>>>>>>> in minutes was fine got up went home.
Moral was I think Gatorade caused my body to process glycogen
differently than normal and depleted it. It also taste nasty and I >>>>>>>> have never had a drop of Gatorade since that day.
It isn't likely that you ran out of sugar, rather, it probably created >>>>>>> an electrolyte imbalance which didn't allow you to process water (and >>>>>>> possibly glycogen) the way you were used to it.
Once you stopped exercising your body processes stabilized*. Pretty >>>>>>> much any sugary drink (even more gatorade, if you weren't ready to >>>>>>> puke at the sight of it) would have worked.
*In exercise physiology this stability is known as Homeostasis
It's also known that too much sugar in your stomach while exercising >>>>>>> can reduce the water and electrolyte uptake from your stomach. "gut >>>>>>> training" is the new thing in endurance sports training.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28332114/
#:~:text=It%20is%20clear%20that%20%22nutritional%20training%22%20can,which%20it%20will%20be%20required%20to%20function.
It was warm and the day before the Marathon I weight 178 pounds after >>>>>>>> topping of the body with final meal get glycogen stores full. Then >>>>>>>> night I got home from the Marathon, after eating dinner and drinking >>>>>>>> to replenish the body I weighed 171 pounds. During the race of >>>>>>>> course I drank a lot so I must have really dropped serious weight. >>>>>>>>
No gatorade.
Gatorade in 1989 was very different than today's formulation. The >>>>>>> original gatorade developed at the University of Florida back in the >>>>>>> 70s used cane sugar, and not very much of it. The focus was much more >>>>>>> on electrolyte replacement to the point that it had a slightly salty >>>>>>> taste and very little sweetness. By the late 80's they had switched to >>>>>>> HFCS so it was sicky sweet. Today's gatorade has a much higher sugar >>>>>>> content than it did back then, and it's also a different type. These >>>>>>> days it depends on which variant you buy, but they list it generically >>>>>>> as sugar with varying amounts of dextrose, and it can be anywhere from >>>>>>> 12 g to 30 g of sugar per serving (except for the 0 sugar options of >>>>>>> course, but...artificial sweeteners....blech)
For a while I was drinking regular Gatorade cut 1/2 1/2 with water >>>>>>> (straight gatorade is way too sweet) until I found a formula in a >>>>>>> triathlon forum I make at home.
Mix in a 2 qt container of water:
- 1/4 cup of honey
- 1/4 cup of lemon juice concentrate
- 1 teaspoon of electrolyte powder (https:// drinkfastfuel.com/
products/fast-fuel-electrolyte-drink-mix)
Essentially it's homemade lemonade with electrolyte powder, cut to a >>>>>>> light sugar concentration. With the electrolyte powder it tastes quite >>>>>>> a bit like the original gatorade before they started adding all the >>>>>>> sugar.
Did you ever drink Gookinade from Bill Gookin?
No, I've actually never heard of it, appears to be Vitalyte now. I like >>>>> that the carb structure is predominantly glucose - much better for
uptake while exercising.>
sugars,
Turns out that carbohydrate uptake is something you can train (related
to "gut training" noted above).
The thinking used to be that carbohydrate was physiologically limited
within a range or 30 - 60 grams per hour depending on the individual.
REcent studies have shown that it's possible to not only train your
system to tolerate up to 120 grams per hour, but in the case of elite
athletes, to actually be able to metabolize that much for high intensity >>> sessions of long duration (an iron man triathlon or the Paris-Roubaix,
for example).
https://amacx.com/blogs/news/120-grams-of-carbohydrates-per-hour
tried so tend to use real food or breakfast bars etc so at best 30g a hour >> or so.
Just back from evening Gravel loop plus pub with folks, which though I took >> on fluid tend to use a squash
"squash"? I had to google the british usage. In 'murica squash is a vegetable.
so some sugars though not much, and once the
roadies are on the Summer loop which means they get to the pub a hour
earlier does mean one needs to a fairly quick loop, 13/14 mph average
compared to the more normal 11mph ish, over park paths/rooty single track
and so on.
Roger Merriman
though I generally don’t take it seriously enough and rely on my
generally robust nature regarding “bonks/suger crashes” though I’m >>>> certainly much much better if I do!
Ie eating well over a long ride has a much more pronounced impact than any >>>> kit!
Roger Merriman
Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4/16/2025 11:34 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:My main issue really is I don’t like the gels etc or at least the ones I’ve
Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4/15/2025 5:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:I’ve only ever heard of amount of carbs per hour which would slowly release
On 4/15/2025 3:44 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/15/2025 3:27 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
On 4/15/2025 11:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 22:02:16 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 09:19:48 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
Thi morning I read where Pepsico is going to meet with DEI freaks >>>>>>>>>> including the racist jackass, Al Sharpton, and it convinced me to do >>>>>>>>>> what I've been contemplating for months. From now on, I'll not be >>>>>>>>>> putting any gatorade (Pepsico product) into my water bottles. >>>>>>>>>>
There's too much sugar in Gatorade, anyway. Yesterday, I drank four >>>>>>>>>> and half bottles of it, each with 32 grams of sugar. I tried Nuun >>>>>>>>>> tablets a few years back and I think I'll try them again.
Are you drinking the stuff for energy or as a water replacement? I >>>>>>>>> used to use one of the packaged drinks and mixed it 1/2 to 1 with >>>>>>>>> water.
MOstly, I wanted the electrolites.
I bought individual packets. I was mixing one packet to 24 oz of >>>>>>>> water. I think the packets were for 16 oz so I was mixing them lighter >>>>>>>> than reccomended. I finish the rides on a sugar high. Not good. >>>>>>>>
--
C'est bon
Soloman
My Gatorade story and the only one goes back to the hot Chicago
Marathon of 1989. It was 63 degrees at starting line and by mile 20 >>>>>>> on Lake Shore drive in the sun was in 80's. I had never trained using >>>>>>> gatorade only drinking water. So I think well I better drink this >>>>>>> stuff due to the heat. Completely wrong never do something on race >>>>>>> day you have not already trained and know what happens.
Exactly. Volumes have been written on acclimatizing "race day" diets. >>>>>>
Gatorade must have messed up my system and I got pretty tired and >>>>>>> worn the last 10k. My time was 3:23 and I should have even in the >>>>>>> heat run the marathon in 3:15. I got to the finish and it took me 40 >>>>>>> minutes to stand up. A friend of mine said I was out of sugar in the >>>>>>> body. Gave me a real can of Coke no diet Coke. Drank the the Coke and >>>>>>> in minutes was fine got up went home.
Moral was I think Gatorade caused my body to process glycogen
differently than normal and depleted it. It also taste nasty and I >>>>>>> have never had a drop of Gatorade since that day.
It isn't likely that you ran out of sugar, rather, it probably created >>>>>> an electrolyte imbalance which didn't allow you to process water (and >>>>>> possibly glycogen) the way you were used to it.
Once you stopped exercising your body processes stabilized*. Pretty >>>>>> much any sugary drink (even more gatorade, if you weren't ready to >>>>>> puke at the sight of it) would have worked.
*In exercise physiology this stability is known as Homeostasis
It's also known that too much sugar in your stomach while exercising >>>>>> can reduce the water and electrolyte uptake from your stomach. "gut >>>>>> training" is the new thing in endurance sports training.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28332114/
#:~:text=It%20is%20clear%20that%20%22nutritional%20training%22%20can,which%20it%20will%20be%20required%20to%20function.
It was warm and the day before the Marathon I weight 178 pounds after >>>>>>> topping of the body with final meal get glycogen stores full. Then >>>>>>> night I got home from the Marathon, after eating dinner and drinking >>>>>>> to replenish the body I weighed 171 pounds. During the race of >>>>>>> course I drank a lot so I must have really dropped serious weight. >>>>>>>
No gatorade.
Gatorade in 1989 was very different than today's formulation. The
original gatorade developed at the University of Florida back in the >>>>>> 70s used cane sugar, and not very much of it. The focus was much more >>>>>> on electrolyte replacement to the point that it had a slightly salty >>>>>> taste and very little sweetness. By the late 80's they had switched to >>>>>> HFCS so it was sicky sweet. Today's gatorade has a much higher sugar >>>>>> content than it did back then, and it's also a different type. These >>>>>> days it depends on which variant you buy, but they list it generically >>>>>> as sugar with varying amounts of dextrose, and it can be anywhere from >>>>>> 12 g to 30 g of sugar per serving (except for the 0 sugar options of >>>>>> course, but...artificial sweeteners....blech)
For a while I was drinking regular Gatorade cut 1/2 1/2 with water >>>>>> (straight gatorade is way too sweet) until I found a formula in a
triathlon forum I make at home.
Mix in a 2 qt container of water:
- 1/4 cup of honey
- 1/4 cup of lemon juice concentrate
- 1 teaspoon of electrolyte powder (https:// drinkfastfuel.com/
products/fast-fuel-electrolyte-drink-mix)
Essentially it's homemade lemonade with electrolyte powder, cut to a >>>>>> light sugar concentration. With the electrolyte powder it tastes quite >>>>>> a bit like the original gatorade before they started adding all the >>>>>> sugar.
Did you ever drink Gookinade from Bill Gookin?
No, I've actually never heard of it, appears to be Vitalyte now. I like >>>> that the carb structure is predominantly glucose - much better for
uptake while exercising.>
sugars,
Turns out that carbohydrate uptake is something you can train (related
to "gut training" noted above).
The thinking used to be that carbohydrate was physiologically limited
within a range or 30 - 60 grams per hour depending on the individual.
REcent studies have shown that it's possible to not only train your
system to tolerate up to 120 grams per hour, but in the case of elite
athletes, to actually be able to metabolize that much for high intensity
sessions of long duration (an iron man triathlon or the Paris-Roubaix,
for example).
https://amacx.com/blogs/news/120-grams-of-carbohydrates-per-hour
tried so tend to use real food or breakfast bars etc so at best 30g a hour
or so.
Just back from evening Gravel loop plus pub with folks, which though I took on fluid tend to use a squash
so some sugars though not much, and once the
roadies are on the Summer loop which means they get to the pub a hour
earlier does mean one needs to a fairly quick loop, 13/14 mph average compared to the more normal 11mph ish, over park paths/rooty single track
and so on.
Roger Merriman
though I generally don’t take it seriously enough and rely on my
generally robust nature regarding “bonks/suger crashes” though I’m >>> certainly much much better if I do!
Ie eating well over a long ride has a much more pronounced impact than any >>> kit!
Roger Merriman
Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4/16/2025 4:56 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4/16/2025 11:34 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:My main issue really is I don’t like the gels etc or at least the ones I’ve
Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4/15/2025 5:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:I’ve only ever heard of amount of carbs per hour which would slowly release
On 4/15/2025 3:44 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/15/2025 3:27 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
On 4/15/2025 11:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 22:02:16 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 09:19:48 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
Thi morning I read where Pepsico is going to meet with DEI freaks >>>>>>>>>>>> including the racist jackass, Al Sharpton, and it convinced me to do
what I've been contemplating for months. From now on, I'll not be >>>>>>>>>>>> putting any gatorade (Pepsico product) into my water bottles. >>>>>>>>>>>>
There's too much sugar in Gatorade, anyway. Yesterday, I drank four
and half bottles of it, each with 32 grams of sugar. I tried Nuun >>>>>>>>>>>> tablets a few years back and I think I'll try them again. >>>>>>>>>>>
Are you drinking the stuff for energy or as a water replacement? I >>>>>>>>>>> used to use one of the packaged drinks and mixed it 1/2 to 1 with >>>>>>>>>>> water.
MOstly, I wanted the electrolites.
I bought individual packets. I was mixing one packet to 24 oz of >>>>>>>>>> water. I think the packets were for 16 oz so I was mixing them lighter
than reccomended. I finish the rides on a sugar high. Not good. >>>>>>>>>>
--
C'est bon
Soloman
My Gatorade story and the only one goes back to the hot Chicago >>>>>>>>> Marathon of 1989. It was 63 degrees at starting line and by mile 20 >>>>>>>>> on Lake Shore drive in the sun was in 80's. I had never trained using >>>>>>>>> gatorade only drinking water. So I think well I better drink this >>>>>>>>> stuff due to the heat. Completely wrong never do something on race >>>>>>>>> day you have not already trained and know what happens.
Exactly. Volumes have been written on acclimatizing "race day" diets. >>>>>>>>
Gatorade must have messed up my system and I got pretty tired and >>>>>>>>> worn the last 10k. My time was 3:23 and I should have even in the >>>>>>>>> heat run the marathon in 3:15. I got to the finish and it took me 40 >>>>>>>>> minutes to stand up. A friend of mine said I was out of sugar in the >>>>>>>>> body. Gave me a real can of Coke no diet Coke. Drank the the Coke and >>>>>>>>> in minutes was fine got up went home.
Moral was I think Gatorade caused my body to process glycogen >>>>>>>>> differently than normal and depleted it. It also taste nasty and I >>>>>>>>> have never had a drop of Gatorade since that day.
It isn't likely that you ran out of sugar, rather, it probably created >>>>>>>> an electrolyte imbalance which didn't allow you to process water (and >>>>>>>> possibly glycogen) the way you were used to it.
Once you stopped exercising your body processes stabilized*. Pretty >>>>>>>> much any sugary drink (even more gatorade, if you weren't ready to >>>>>>>> puke at the sight of it) would have worked.
*In exercise physiology this stability is known as Homeostasis >>>>>>>>
It's also known that too much sugar in your stomach while exercising >>>>>>>> can reduce the water and electrolyte uptake from your stomach. "gut >>>>>>>> training" is the new thing in endurance sports training.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28332114/
#:~:text=It%20is%20clear%20that%20%22nutritional%20training%22%20can,which%20it%20will%20be%20required%20to%20function.
It was warm and the day before the Marathon I weight 178 pounds after >>>>>>>>> topping of the body with final meal get glycogen stores full. Then >>>>>>>>> night I got home from the Marathon, after eating dinner and drinking >>>>>>>>> to replenish the body I weighed 171 pounds. During the race of >>>>>>>>> course I drank a lot so I must have really dropped serious weight. >>>>>>>>>
No gatorade.
Gatorade in 1989 was very different than today's formulation. The >>>>>>>> original gatorade developed at the University of Florida back in the >>>>>>>> 70s used cane sugar, and not very much of it. The focus was much more >>>>>>>> on electrolyte replacement to the point that it had a slightly salty >>>>>>>> taste and very little sweetness. By the late 80's they had switched to >>>>>>>> HFCS so it was sicky sweet. Today's gatorade has a much higher sugar >>>>>>>> content than it did back then, and it's also a different type. These >>>>>>>> days it depends on which variant you buy, but they list it generically >>>>>>>> as sugar with varying amounts of dextrose, and it can be anywhere from >>>>>>>> 12 g to 30 g of sugar per serving (except for the 0 sugar options of >>>>>>>> course, but...artificial sweeteners....blech)
For a while I was drinking regular Gatorade cut 1/2 1/2 with water >>>>>>>> (straight gatorade is way too sweet) until I found a formula in a >>>>>>>> triathlon forum I make at home.
Mix in a 2 qt container of water:
- 1/4 cup of honey
- 1/4 cup of lemon juice concentrate
- 1 teaspoon of electrolyte powder (https:// drinkfastfuel.com/ >>>>>>>> products/fast-fuel-electrolyte-drink-mix)
Essentially it's homemade lemonade with electrolyte powder, cut to a >>>>>>>> light sugar concentration. With the electrolyte powder it tastes quite >>>>>>>> a bit like the original gatorade before they started adding all the >>>>>>>> sugar.
Did you ever drink Gookinade from Bill Gookin?
No, I've actually never heard of it, appears to be Vitalyte now. I like >>>>>> that the carb structure is predominantly glucose - much better for >>>>>> uptake while exercising.>
sugars,
Turns out that carbohydrate uptake is something you can train (related >>>> to "gut training" noted above).
The thinking used to be that carbohydrate was physiologically limited
within a range or 30 - 60 grams per hour depending on the individual.
REcent studies have shown that it's possible to not only train your
system to tolerate up to 120 grams per hour, but in the case of elite
athletes, to actually be able to metabolize that much for high intensity >>>> sessions of long duration (an iron man triathlon or the Paris-Roubaix, >>>> for example).
https://amacx.com/blogs/news/120-grams-of-carbohydrates-per-hour
tried so tend to use real food or breakfast bars etc so at best 30g a hour >>> or so.
Just back from evening Gravel loop plus pub with folks, which though I took >>> on fluid tend to use a squash
"squash"? I had to google the british usage. In 'murica squash is a
vegetable.
Tiz both in UK drink and a vegetable!
Roger Merriman
so some sugars though not much, and once the
roadies are on the Summer loop which means they get to the pub a hour
earlier does mean one needs to a fairly quick loop, 13/14 mph average
compared to the more normal 11mph ish, over park paths/rooty single track >>> and so on.
Roger Merriman
though I generally don’t take it seriously enough and rely on my
generally robust nature regarding “bonks/suger crashes” though I’m >>>>> certainly much much better if I do!
Ie eating well over a long ride has a much more pronounced impact than any
kit!
Roger Merriman
On 4/16/2025 4:20 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4/16/2025 4:56 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4/16/2025 11:34 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:My main issue really is I dont like the gels etc or at least the ones Ive
Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4/15/2025 5:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:Ive only ever heard of amount of carbs per hour which would slowly release
On 4/15/2025 3:44 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/15/2025 3:27 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
On 4/15/2025 11:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 22:02:16 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 09:19:48 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
Thi morning I read where Pepsico is going to meet with DEI freaks >>>>>>>>>>>>> including the racist jackass, Al Sharpton, and it convinced me to do
what I've been contemplating for months. From now on, I'll not be >>>>>>>>>>>>> putting any gatorade (Pepsico product) into my water bottles. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
There's too much sugar in Gatorade, anyway. Yesterday, I drank four
and half bottles of it, each with 32 grams of sugar. I tried Nuun >>>>>>>>>>>>> tablets a few years back and I think I'll try them again. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Are you drinking the stuff for energy or as a water replacement? I >>>>>>>>>>>> used to use one of the packaged drinks and mixed it 1/2 to 1 with >>>>>>>>>>>> water.
MOstly, I wanted the electrolites.
I bought individual packets. I was mixing one packet to 24 oz of >>>>>>>>>>> water. I think the packets were for 16 oz so I was mixing them lighter
than reccomended. I finish the rides on a sugar high. Not good. >>>>>>>>>>>
--
C'est bon
Soloman
My Gatorade story and the only one goes back to the hot Chicago >>>>>>>>>> Marathon of 1989. It was 63 degrees at starting line and by mile 20 >>>>>>>>>> on Lake Shore drive in the sun was in 80's. I had never trained using
gatorade only drinking water. So I think well I better drink this >>>>>>>>>> stuff due to the heat. Completely wrong never do something on race >>>>>>>>>> day you have not already trained and know what happens.
Exactly. Volumes have been written on acclimatizing "race day" diets. >>>>>>>>>
Gatorade must have messed up my system and I got pretty tired and >>>>>>>>>> worn the last 10k. My time was 3:23 and I should have even in the >>>>>>>>>> heat run the marathon in 3:15. I got to the finish and it took me 40 >>>>>>>>>> minutes to stand up. A friend of mine said I was out of sugar in the >>>>>>>>>> body. Gave me a real can of Coke no diet Coke. Drank the the Coke and
in minutes was fine got up went home.
Moral was I think Gatorade caused my body to process glycogen >>>>>>>>>> differently than normal and depleted it. It also taste nasty and I >>>>>>>>>> have never had a drop of Gatorade since that day.
It isn't likely that you ran out of sugar, rather, it probably created
an electrolyte imbalance which didn't allow you to process water (and >>>>>>>>> possibly glycogen) the way you were used to it.
Once you stopped exercising your body processes stabilized*. Pretty >>>>>>>>> much any sugary drink (even more gatorade, if you weren't ready to >>>>>>>>> puke at the sight of it) would have worked.
*In exercise physiology this stability is known as Homeostasis >>>>>>>>>
It's also known that too much sugar in your stomach while exercising >>>>>>>>> can reduce the water and electrolyte uptake from your stomach. "gut >>>>>>>>> training" is the new thing in endurance sports training.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28332114/
#:~:text=It%20is%20clear%20that%20%22nutritional%20training%22%20can,which%20it%20will%20be%20required%20to%20function.
It was warm and the day before the Marathon I weight 178 pounds after
topping of the body with final meal get glycogen stores full. Then >>>>>>>>>> night I got home from the Marathon, after eating dinner and drinking >>>>>>>>>> to replenish the body I weighed 171 pounds. During the race of >>>>>>>>>> course I drank a lot so I must have really dropped serious weight. >>>>>>>>>>
No gatorade.
Gatorade in 1989 was very different than today's formulation. The >>>>>>>>> original gatorade developed at the University of Florida back in the >>>>>>>>> 70s used cane sugar, and not very much of it. The focus was much more >>>>>>>>> on electrolyte replacement to the point that it had a slightly salty >>>>>>>>> taste and very little sweetness. By the late 80's they had switched to
HFCS so it was sicky sweet. Today's gatorade has a much higher sugar >>>>>>>>> content than it did back then, and it's also a different type. These >>>>>>>>> days it depends on which variant you buy, but they list it generically
as sugar with varying amounts of dextrose, and it can be anywhere from
12 g to 30 g of sugar per serving (except for the 0 sugar options of >>>>>>>>> course, but...artificial sweeteners....blech)
For a while I was drinking regular Gatorade cut 1/2 1/2 with water >>>>>>>>> (straight gatorade is way too sweet) until I found a formula in a >>>>>>>>> triathlon forum I make at home.
Mix in a 2 qt container of water:
- 1/4 cup of honey
- 1/4 cup of lemon juice concentrate
- 1 teaspoon of electrolyte powder (https:// drinkfastfuel.com/ >>>>>>>>> products/fast-fuel-electrolyte-drink-mix)
Essentially it's homemade lemonade with electrolyte powder, cut to a >>>>>>>>> light sugar concentration. With the electrolyte powder it tastes quite
a bit like the original gatorade before they started adding all the >>>>>>>>> sugar.
Did you ever drink Gookinade from Bill Gookin?
No, I've actually never heard of it, appears to be Vitalyte now. I like >>>>>>> that the carb structure is predominantly glucose - much better for >>>>>>> uptake while exercising.>
sugars,
Turns out that carbohydrate uptake is something you can train (related >>>>> to "gut training" noted above).
The thinking used to be that carbohydrate was physiologically limited >>>>> within a range or 30 - 60 grams per hour depending on the individual. >>>>> REcent studies have shown that it's possible to not only train your
system to tolerate up to 120 grams per hour, but in the case of elite >>>>> athletes, to actually be able to metabolize that much for high intensity >>>>> sessions of long duration (an iron man triathlon or the Paris-Roubaix, >>>>> for example).
https://amacx.com/blogs/news/120-grams-of-carbohydrates-per-hour
tried so tend to use real food or breakfast bars etc so at best 30g a hour >>>> or so.
Just back from evening Gravel loop plus pub with folks, which though I took
on fluid tend to use a squash
"squash"? I had to google the british usage. In 'murica squash is a
vegetable.
Tiz both in UK drink and a vegetable!
Roger Merriman
so some sugars though not much, and once the
roadies are on the Summer loop which means they get to the pub a hour
earlier does mean one needs to a fairly quick loop, 13/14 mph average
compared to the more normal 11mph ish, over park paths/rooty single track >>>> and so on.
Roger Merriman
though I generally dont take it seriously enough and rely on my
generally robust nature regarding bonks/suger crashes though Im >>>>>> certainly much much better if I do!
Ie eating well over a long ride has a much more pronounced impact than any
kit!
Roger Merriman
Thanks for that I had never heard of squash drinks before:
https://theameribritmom.com/2016/07/13/english-squash-drink/
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