I finally discovered where that idiotic rumor came from. Air Force One has been greatly delayed from Boeing because DEI really screwed up their quality.
So while Trump was in the UAE, they offered to give him a private jet which was worth $400 million. Of course he turned it down because the present Air Force One is far more secure in any case.
But the left wingers have been screaming that Trump took a $400 Million bribe, which he didn't. It must be fun to be able to invent any reality you want.
On 5/15/2025 2:51 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I finally discovered where that idiotic rumor came from. Air Force One
has been greatly delayed from Boeing because DEI really screwed up
their quality.
So while Trump was in the UAE, they offered to give him a private jet
which was worth $400 million. Of course he turned it down because the
present Air Force One is far more secure in any case.
But the left wingers have been screaming that Trump took a $400
Million bribe, which he didn't. It must be fun to be able to invent
any reality you want.
The current planes (primary Air Force One are pairs, so one can be in maintenance while the other is flying. Note also any airplane with POTUS
in it uses AF1 as their call sign.) are the only two examples of that
model still flying in USA. At 35 years old, they are at the end of their useful life and so new planes were ordered in 2018 for 2024 delivery.
The planes are not yet built and the delivery is now extended to perhaps 2027:
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-force-one-boeing-requirements-2027/
Mr Trump is in Qatar, not UAE. The scheming traitorous Qataris offered
a jet for his use. Many people, I among them, think that's batshit crazy
in general, and in particular for anything from Qatar. The bastards
gave shelter to Kalid Sheikh Mohammad after he bombed the World Trade
Center in 1993, provide residences for Hamas' upper echelon and their families, fund Hamas and other jihadi murderers including top Al Quaeda directors. The list is long:
https://www.memri.org/reports/qatars-support-anti-us-terrorist-activity- and-attacks
Mr Trump has not turned it down as of this morning.
You might make a habit of reading a couple pf newspapers every morning,
which would easily keep you abreast of national and world issues.
p.s. Anyone on any day can do something stupid:
https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2015/12/02/the-king-of- saudi-arabia-gave-over-13m-in-gifts-to-the-obamas-last-year
On 5/15/2025 2:51 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I finally discovered where that idiotic rumor came from. Air Force One has been greatly delayed from Boeing because DEI really screwed up their quality.
So while Trump was in the UAE, they offered to give him a private jet which was worth $400 million. Of course he turned it down because the present Air Force One is far more secure in any case.
But the left wingers have been screaming that Trump took a $400 Million bribe, which he didn't. It must be fun to be able to invent any reality you want.
The current planes (primary Air Force One are pairs, so one
can be in maintenance while the other is flying. Note also
any airplane with POTUS in it uses AF1 as their call sign.)
are the only two examples of that model still flying in USA.
At 35 years old, they are at the end of their useful life
and so new planes were ordered in 2018 for 2024 delivery.
The planes are not yet built and the delivery is now
extended to perhaps 2027:
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-force-one-boeing-requirements-2027/
Mr Trump is in Qatar, not UAE. The scheming traitorous
Qataris offered a jet for his use. Many people, I among
them, think that's batshit crazy in general, and in
particular for anything from Qatar. The bastards gave
shelter to Kalid Sheikh Mohammad after he bombed the World
Trade Center in 1993, provide residences for Hamas' upper
echelon and their families, fund Hamas and other jihadi
murderers including top Al Quaeda directors. The list is long:
https://www.memri.org/reports/qatars-support-anti-us-terrorist-activity-and-attacks
Mr Trump has not turned it down as of this morning.
You might make a habit of reading a couple pf newspapers
every morning, which would easily keep you abreast of
national and world issues.
p.s. Anyone on any day can do something stupid:
https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2015/12/02/the-king-of-saudi-arabia-gave-over-13m-in-gifts-to-the-obamas-last-year
On 5/15/2025 2:51 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I finally discovered where that idiotic rumor came from. Air Force One has been greatly delayed from Boeing because DEI really screwed up their quality.
So while Trump was in the UAE, they offered to give him a private jet which was worth $400 million. Of course he turned it down because the present Air Force One is far more secure in any case.
But the left wingers have been screaming that Trump took a $400 Million bribe, which he didn't. It must be fun to be able to invent any reality you want.
The current planes (primary Air Force One are pairs, so one
can be in maintenance while the other is flying. Note also
any airplane with POTUS in it uses AF1 as their call sign.)
are the only two examples of that model still flying in USA.
At 35 years old, they are at the end of their useful life
and so new planes were ordered in 2018 for 2024 delivery.
The planes are not yet built and the delivery is now
extended to perhaps 2027:
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-force-one-boeing-requirements-2027/
Mr Trump is in Qatar, not UAE. The scheming traitorous
Qataris offered a jet for his use. Many people, I among
them, think that's batshit crazy in general, and in
particular for anything from Qatar. The bastards gave
shelter to Kalid Sheikh Mohammad after he bombed the World
Trade Center in 1993, provide residences for Hamas' upper
echelon and their families, fund Hamas and other jihadi
murderers including top Al Quaeda directors. The list is long:
https://www.memri.org/reports/qatars-support-anti-us-terrorist-activity-and-attacks
Mr Trump has not turned it down as of this morning.
You might make a habit of reading a couple pf newspapers
every morning, which would easily keep you abreast of
national and world issues.
p.s. Anyone on any day can do something stupid:
https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2015/12/02/the-king-of-saudi-arabia-gave-over-13m-in-gifts-to-the-obamas-last-year
On 5/15/2025 4:37 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/15/2025 2:51 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I finally discovered where that idiotic rumor came from. Air Force One
has been greatly delayed from Boeing because DEI really screwed up
their quality.
So while Trump was in the UAE, they offered to give him a private jet
which was worth $400 million. Of course he turned it down because the
present Air Force One is far more secure in any case.
But the left wingers have been screaming that Trump took a $400
Million bribe, which he didn't. It must be fun to be able to invent
any reality you want.
The current planes (primary Air Force One are pairs, so one can be in maintenance while the other is flying. Note also any airplane with POTUS
in it uses AF1 as their call sign.) are the only two examples of that
model still flying in USA. At 35 years old, they are at the end of their useful life and so new planes were ordered in 2018 for 2024 delivery.
The planes are not yet built and the delivery is now extended to perhaps 2027:
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-force-one-boeing-requirements-2027/
What really surprise me about the whole affair is that anyone is
entertaining the idea that the Qatari jet could be reasonably converted
to an AF1. Aside from have a base of a 747, there are few similarities.
The Qatari jet would have to be gutted to the superstructure so that it
could be fitted with different wiring, hydraulics, fuel lines, air frame reinforcement members, and armor plating. It needs larger fuel tanks
that are reinforced to sustain damage. All the extra weight of the reinforcement, electronic countermeasure equipment, and larger fuel
tanks require larger engines, not to mention it needs engines with
enough thrust to do very short take offs.
Essentially, its a completely different aircraft. it's actually cheaper
and easier to build an AF1 from the ground up than it would be to start
from a completely assembled 747.
I'm absolutely no fan of trump, but POTUS needs to have a plane that's
been designed with purpose, not retrofitted like some dodge conversion van.
Mr Trump is in Qatar, not UAE. The scheming traitorous Qataris offered
a jet for his use. Many people, I among them, think that's batshit crazy
in general, and in particular for anything from Qatar. The bastards
gave shelter to Kalid Sheikh Mohammad after he bombed the World Trade Center in 1993, provide residences for Hamas' upper echelon and their families, fund Hamas and other jihadi murderers including top Al Quaeda directors. The list is long:
https://www.memri.org/reports/qatars-support-anti-us-terrorist-activity- and-attacks
Mr Trump has not turned it down as of this morning.
And he wont. He'll get a free plane for personal use after his
presidency, emollients clause be damned and this spineless DOJ and
congress won't do a fucking thing to stop him. It's already allegedly at
an Airfield in San Antonio:
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/article/trump-qatar-jet-air-force-one-san-antonio-20323298.php
You might make a habit of reading a couple pf newspapers every morning, which would easily keep you abreast of national and world issues.
Oh, c'mon Andrew. Tommys imagination is _much_ more entertaining.
p.s. Anyone on any day can do something stupid:
https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2015/12/02/the-king-of- saudi-arabia-gave-over-13m-in-gifts-to-the-obamas-last-year
On Thu May 15 15:37:08 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/15/2025 2:51 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I finally discovered where that idiotic rumor came from. Air Force One has been greatly delayed from Boeing because DEI really screwed up their quality.
So while Trump was in the UAE, they offered to give him a private jet which was worth $400 million. Of course he turned it down because the present Air Force One is far more secure in any case.
But the left wingers have been screaming that Trump took a $400 Million bribe, which he didn't. It must be fun to be able to invent any reality you want.
The current planes (primary Air Force One are pairs, so one
can be in maintenance while the other is flying. Note also
any airplane with POTUS in it uses AF1 as their call sign.)
are the only two examples of that model still flying in USA.
At 35 years old, they are at the end of their useful life
and so new planes were ordered in 2018 for 2024 delivery.
The planes are not yet built and the delivery is now
extended to perhaps 2027:
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-force-one-boeing-requirements-2027/
Mr Trump is in Qatar, not UAE. The scheming traitorous
Qataris offered a jet for his use. Many people, I among
them, think that's batshit crazy in general, and in
particular for anything from Qatar. The bastards gave
shelter to Kalid Sheikh Mohammad after he bombed the World
Trade Center in 1993, provide residences for Hamas' upper
echelon and their families, fund Hamas and other jihadi
murderers including top Al Quaeda directors. The list is long:
https://www.memri.org/reports/qatars-support-anti-us-terrorist-activity-and-attacks
Mr Trump has not turned it down as of this morning.
You might make a habit of reading a couple pf newspapers
every morning, which would easily keep you abreast of
national and world issues.
p.s. Anyone on any day can do something stupid:
https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2015/12/02/the-king-of-saudi-arabia-gave-over-13m-in-gifts-to-the-obamas-last-year
Is is necessary to "turn down" a proferred bribe?
On 5/18/2025 10:28 AM, cyclintom wrote:
Is is necessary to "turn down" a proferred bribe?
It is.
On Thu May 15 15:37:08 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/15/2025 2:51 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I finally discovered where that idiotic rumor came from. Air Force One has been greatly delayed from Boeing because DEI really screwed up their quality.
So while Trump was in the UAE, they offered to give him a private jet which was worth $400 million. Of course he turned it down because the present Air Force One is far more secure in any case.
But the left wingers have been screaming that Trump took a $400 Million bribe, which he didn't. It must be fun to be able to invent any reality you want.
The current planes (primary Air Force One are pairs, so one
can be in maintenance while the other is flying. Note also
any airplane with POTUS in it uses AF1 as their call sign.)
are the only two examples of that model still flying in USA.
At 35 years old, they are at the end of their useful life
and so new planes were ordered in 2018 for 2024 delivery.
The planes are not yet built and the delivery is now
extended to perhaps 2027:
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-force-one-boeing-requirements-2027/
Mr Trump is in Qatar, not UAE. The scheming traitorous
Qataris offered a jet for his use. Many people, I among
them, think that's batshit crazy in general, and in
particular for anything from Qatar. The bastards gave
shelter to Kalid Sheikh Mohammad after he bombed the World
Trade Center in 1993, provide residences for Hamas' upper
echelon and their families, fund Hamas and other jihadi
murderers including top Al Quaeda directors. The list is long:
https://www.memri.org/reports/qatars-support-anti-us-terrorist-activity-and-attacks
Mr Trump has not turned it down as of this morning.
You might make a habit of reading a couple pf newspapers
every morning, which would easily keep you abreast of
national and world issues.
p.s. Anyone on any day can do something stupid:
https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2015/12/02/the-king-of-saudi-arabia-gave-over-13m-in-gifts-to-the-obamas-last-year
Is is necessary to "turn down" a proferred bribe?
On Sun May 18 11:07:00 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 10:28 AM, cyclintom wrote:
Is is necessary to "turn down" a proferred bribe?
It is.
What happened when he was so surprised by what a reporter said and repeated it in surprise? Our local cocksucker told everyone that Trump said that we should drink bleech to cure covid.
No, best he doesn't even acknowledge such things at all. Words unsaid, even "no" cannot be twisted.
On 5/18/2025 3:32 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun May 18 11:07:00 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 10:28 AM, cyclintom wrote:
Is is necessary to "turn down" a proferred bribe?
It is.
What happened when he was so surprised by what a reporter said and
repeated it in surprise? Our local cocksucker told everyone that Trump
said that we should drink bleech to cure covid.
No, best he doesn't even acknowledge such things at all. Words unsaid,
even "no" cannot be twisted.
Mr Trump never said any such thing about bleach, not even remotely or obliquely.
I did not understand the rest of your comment but bribery remains
neither legal nor moral.
On Thu May 15 17:01:19 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/15/2025 4:37 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/15/2025 2:51 PM, cyclintom wrote:What really surprise me about the whole affair is that anyone is
I finally discovered where that idiotic rumor came from. Air Force One >>>> has been greatly delayed from Boeing because DEI really screwed up
their quality.
So while Trump was in the UAE, they offered to give him a private jet
which was worth $400 million. Of course he turned it down because the
present Air Force One is far more secure in any case.
But the left wingers have been screaming that Trump took a $400
Million bribe, which he didn't. It must be fun to be able to invent
any reality you want.
The current planes (primary Air Force One are pairs, so one can be in
maintenance while the other is flying. Note also any airplane with POTUS >>> in it uses AF1 as their call sign.) are the only two examples of that
model still flying in USA. At 35 years old, they are at the end of their >>> useful life and so new planes were ordered in 2018 for 2024 delivery.
The planes are not yet built and the delivery is now extended to perhaps >>> 2027:
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-force-one-boeing-requirements-2027/ >>
entertaining the idea that the Qatari jet could be reasonably converted
to an AF1. Aside from have a base of a 747, there are few similarities.
The Qatari jet would have to be gutted to the superstructure so that it
could be fitted with different wiring, hydraulics, fuel lines, air frame
reinforcement members, and armor plating. It needs larger fuel tanks
that are reinforced to sustain damage. All the extra weight of the
reinforcement, electronic countermeasure equipment, and larger fuel
tanks require larger engines, not to mention it needs engines with
enough thrust to do very short take offs.
Essentially, its a completely different aircraft. it's actually cheaper
and easier to build an AF1 from the ground up than it would be to start
from a completely assembled 747.
I'm absolutely no fan of trump, but POTUS needs to have a plane that's
been designed with purpose, not retrofitted like some dodge conversion van. >>
Mr Trump is in Qatar, not UAE. The scheming traitorous Qataris offered
a jet for his use. Many people, I among them, think that's batshit crazy >>> in general, and in particular for anything from Qatar. The bastards
gave shelter to Kalid Sheikh Mohammad after he bombed the World Trade
Center in 1993, provide residences for Hamas' upper echelon and their
families, fund Hamas and other jihadi murderers including top Al Quaeda
directors. The list is long:
https://www.memri.org/reports/qatars-support-anti-us-terrorist-activity- >>> and-attacks
Mr Trump has not turned it down as of this morning.
And he wont. He'll get a free plane for personal use after his
presidency, emollients clause be damned and this spineless DOJ and
congress won't do a fucking thing to stop him. It's already allegedly at
an Airfield in San Antonio:
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/article/trump-qatar-jet-air-force-one-san-antonio-20323298.php
You might make a habit of reading a couple pf newspapers every morning,
which would easily keep you abreast of national and world issues.
Oh, c'mon Andrew. Tommys imagination is _much_ more entertaining.
p.s. Anyone on any day can do something stupid:
https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2015/12/02/the-king-of-
saudi-arabia-gave-over-13m-in-gifts-to-the-obamas-last-year
Flunky doesn't read newspapers, he tunes in to CNN and believes everything they say.
That's why he is the very definition of "loser".
Hey Flunky, tell us again that you've done 600 miles this year at an average of 20 mph.
Is it really that painful being such a loser?
On 5/18/2025 5:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 3:32 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun May 18 11:07:00 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 10:28 AM, cyclintom wrote:
Is is necessary to "turn down" a proferred bribe?
It is.
What happened when he was so surprised by what a reporter said and
repeated it in surprise? Our local cocksucker told everyone that Trump
said that we should drink bleech to cure covid.
No, best he doesn't even acknowledge such things at all. Words unsaid,
even "no" cannot be twisted.
Mr Trump never said any such thing about bleach, not even remotely or
obliquely.
Actually he did, at a press conference on April 23 2020, after a
presentation which showed that UV light and bleach were effective at
killing the virus.
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute.
One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by
injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the
lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be >interesting to check that.
At least in the understanding of the medical community at large, that
was far enough past oblique and/or remote that they immediately issued
press releases telling people not to drink or inject bleach.
I did not understand the rest of your comment but bribery remains
neither legal nor moral.
On 5/18/2025 5:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 3:32 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun May 18 11:07:00 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 10:28 AM, cyclintom wrote:
Is is necessary to "turn down" a proferred bribe?
It is.
What happened when he was so surprised by what a reporter
said and repeated it in surprise? Our local cocksucker
told everyone that Trump said that we should drink bleech
to cure covid.
No, best he doesn't even acknowledge such things at all.
Words unsaid, even "no" cannot be twisted.
Mr Trump never said any such thing about bleach, not even
remotely or obliquely.
Actually he did, at a press conference on April 23 2020,
after a presentation which showed that UV light and bleach
were effective at killing the virus.
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in
a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something
like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because
you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous
number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that.”
At least in the understanding of the medical community at
large, that was far enough past oblique and/or remote that
they immediately issued press releases telling people not to
drink or inject bleach.
I did not understand the rest of your comment but bribery
remains neither legal nor moral.
On Sun, 18 May 2025 15:28:58 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Thu May 15 15:37:08 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/15/2025 2:51 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I finally discovered where that idiotic rumor came from. Air Force One >>>> has been greatly delayed from Boeing because DEI really screwed up their quality.
So while Trump was in the UAE, they offered to give him a private jet
which was worth $400 million. Of course he turned it down because the
present Air Force One is far more secure in any case.
But the left wingers have been screaming that Trump took a $400
Million bribe, which he didn't. It must be fun to be able to invent
any reality you want.
The current planes (primary Air Force One are pairs, so one
can be in maintenance while the other is flying. Note also
any airplane with POTUS in it uses AF1 as their call sign.)
are the only two examples of that model still flying in USA.
At 35 years old, they are at the end of their useful life
and so new planes were ordered in 2018 for 2024 delivery.
The planes are not yet built and the delivery is now
extended to perhaps 2027:
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-force-one-boeing-requirements-2027/ >>>
Mr Trump is in Qatar, not UAE. The scheming traitorous
Qataris offered a jet for his use. Many people, I among
them, think that's batshit crazy in general, and in
particular for anything from Qatar. The bastards gave
shelter to Kalid Sheikh Mohammad after he bombed the World
Trade Center in 1993, provide residences for Hamas' upper
echelon and their families, fund Hamas and other jihadi
murderers including top Al Quaeda directors. The list is long:
https://www.memri.org/reports/qatars-support-anti-us-terrorist-activity-and-attacks
Mr Trump has not turned it down as of this morning.
You might make a habit of reading a couple pf newspapers
every morning, which would easily keep you abreast of
national and world issues.
p.s. Anyone on any day can do something stupid:
https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2015/12/02/the-king-of-saudi-arabia-gave-over-13m-in-gifts-to-the-obamas-last-year
Is is necessary to "turn down" a proferred bribe?
It's not a bribe, not unless you keep it.
//
Saudi King Abdullah gave Mr Obama, his wife and daughters nearly
$190,000 in luxury baubles in 2009, including the single most valuable
gift reported to have been given to U.S. officials that year: a ruby
and diamond jewelry set, including earrings, a ring, a bracelet and
necklace, for the First Lady worth $132,000.
However, Mrs Obama is unlikely to be pictured wearing the jewels, as
by law gifts to U.S. officials must be turned over to the Government -
the jewellery already has been sent to the National Archives.
//
[]'s
On Sun May 18 11:07:00 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 10:28 AM, cyclintom wrote:
Is is necessary to "turn down" a proferred bribe?
It is.
What happened when he was so surprised by what a reporter said and repeated it in surprise? Our local cocksucker told everyone that Trump said that we should drink bleech to cure covid.
No, best he doesn't even acknowledge such things at all. Words unsaid, even "no" cannot be twisted.
On 5/18/2025 3:32 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun May 18 11:07:00 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 10:28 AM, cyclintom wrote:
Is is necessary to "turn down" a proferred bribe?
It is.
What happened when he was so surprised by what a reporter said and repeated it in surprise? Our local cocksucker told everyone that Trump said that we should drink bleech to cure covid.
No, best he doesn't even acknowledge such things at all. Words unsaid, even "no" cannot be twisted.
Mr Trump never said any such thing about bleach, not even
remotely or obliquely.
I did not understand the rest of your comment but bribery
remains neither legal nor moral.
On Mon, 19 May 2025 07:30:01 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 5/18/2025 5:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 3:32 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun May 18 11:07:00 2025 AMuzi? wrote:
On 5/18/2025 10:28 AM, cyclintom wrote:
Is is necessary to "turn down" a proferred bribe?
It is.
What happened when he was so surprised by what a reporter said and
repeated it in surprise? Our local cocksucker told everyone that Trump >>> said that we should drink bleech to cure covid.
No, best he doesn't even acknowledge such things at all. Words unsaid, >>> even "no" cannot be twisted.
Mr Trump never said any such thing about bleach, not even remotely or
obliquely.
Actually he did, at a press conference on April 23 2020, after a >presentation which showed that UV light and bleach were effective at >killing the virus.
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute.
One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by
injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the >lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be >interesting to check that.?
At least in the understanding of the medical community at large, that
was far enough past oblique and/or remote that they immediately issued >press releases telling people not to drink or inject bleach.
I did not understand the rest of your comment but bribery remains
neither legal nor moral.
No, there was no suggestion to drink bleach. The leftist media spun it
that way and their eager followers swallowed it, whole.
On Sun, 18 May 2025 15:28:58 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Thu May 15 15:37:08 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/15/2025 2:51 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I finally discovered where that idiotic rumor came from. Air Force One has been greatly delayed from Boeing because DEI really screwed up their quality.
So while Trump was in the UAE, they offered to give him a private jet which was worth $400 million. Of course he turned it down because the present Air Force One is far more secure in any case.
But the left wingers have been screaming that Trump took a $400 Million bribe, which he didn't. It must be fun to be able to invent any reality you want.
The current planes (primary Air Force One are pairs, so one
can be in maintenance while the other is flying. Note also
any airplane with POTUS in it uses AF1 as their call sign.)
are the only two examples of that model still flying in USA.
At 35 years old, they are at the end of their useful life
and so new planes were ordered in 2018 for 2024 delivery.
The planes are not yet built and the delivery is now
extended to perhaps 2027:
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-force-one-boeing-requirements-2027/ >>
Mr Trump is in Qatar, not UAE. The scheming traitorous
Qataris offered a jet for his use. Many people, I among
them, think that's batshit crazy in general, and in
particular for anything from Qatar. The bastards gave
shelter to Kalid Sheikh Mohammad after he bombed the World
Trade Center in 1993, provide residences for Hamas' upper
echelon and their families, fund Hamas and other jihadi
murderers including top Al Quaeda directors. The list is long:
https://www.memri.org/reports/qatars-support-anti-us-terrorist-activity-and-attacks
Mr Trump has not turned it down as of this morning.
You might make a habit of reading a couple pf newspapers
every morning, which would easily keep you abreast of
national and world issues.
p.s. Anyone on any day can do something stupid:
https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2015/12/02/the-king-of-saudi-arabia-gave-over-13m-in-gifts-to-the-obamas-last-year
Is is necessary to "turn down" a proferred bribe?
It's not a bribe, not unless you keep it.
//
Saudi King Abdullah gave Mr Obama, his wife and daughters nearly
$190,000 in luxury baubles in 2009, including the single most valuable
gift reported to have been given to U.S. officials that year: a ruby
and diamond jewelry set, including earrings, a ring, a bracelet and
necklace, for the First Lady worth $132,000.
However, Mrs Obama is unlikely to be pictured wearing the jewels, as
by law gifts to U.S. officials must be turned over to the Government -
the jewellery already has been sent to the National Archives.
On 5/18/2025 11:35 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 15 17:01:19 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/15/2025 4:37 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/15/2025 2:51 PM, cyclintom wrote:What really surprise me about the whole affair is that anyone is
I finally discovered where that idiotic rumor came from. Air Force One >>>> has been greatly delayed from Boeing because DEI really screwed up
their quality.
So while Trump was in the UAE, they offered to give him a private jet >>>> which was worth $400 million. Of course he turned it down because the >>>> present Air Force One is far more secure in any case.
But the left wingers have been screaming that Trump took a $400
Million bribe, which he didn't. It must be fun to be able to invent
any reality you want.
The current planes (primary Air Force One are pairs, so one can be in
maintenance while the other is flying. Note also any airplane with POTUS >>> in it uses AF1 as their call sign.) are the only two examples of that
model still flying in USA. At 35 years old, they are at the end of their >>> useful life and so new planes were ordered in 2018 for 2024 delivery.
The planes are not yet built and the delivery is now extended to perhaps >>> 2027:
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-force-one-boeing-requirements-2027/ >>
entertaining the idea that the Qatari jet could be reasonably converted
to an AF1. Aside from have a base of a 747, there are few similarities.
The Qatari jet would have to be gutted to the superstructure so that it
could be fitted with different wiring, hydraulics, fuel lines, air frame >> reinforcement members, and armor plating. It needs larger fuel tanks
that are reinforced to sustain damage. All the extra weight of the
reinforcement, electronic countermeasure equipment, and larger fuel
tanks require larger engines, not to mention it needs engines with
enough thrust to do very short take offs.
Essentially, its a completely different aircraft. it's actually cheaper
and easier to build an AF1 from the ground up than it would be to start
from a completely assembled 747.
I'm absolutely no fan of trump, but POTUS needs to have a plane that's
been designed with purpose, not retrofitted like some dodge conversion van.
Mr Trump is in Qatar, not UAE. The scheming traitorous Qataris offered >>> a jet for his use. Many people, I among them, think that's batshit crazy >>> in general, and in particular for anything from Qatar. The bastards
gave shelter to Kalid Sheikh Mohammad after he bombed the World Trade
Center in 1993, provide residences for Hamas' upper echelon and their
families, fund Hamas and other jihadi murderers including top Al Quaeda >>> directors. The list is long:
https://www.memri.org/reports/qatars-support-anti-us-terrorist-activity- >>> and-attacks
Mr Trump has not turned it down as of this morning.
And he wont. He'll get a free plane for personal use after his
presidency, emollients clause be damned and this spineless DOJ and
congress won't do a fucking thing to stop him. It's already allegedly at >> an Airfield in San Antonio:
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/article/trump-qatar-jet-air-force-one-san-antonio-20323298.php
You might make a habit of reading a couple pf newspapers every morning, >>> which would easily keep you abreast of national and world issues.
Oh, c'mon Andrew. Tommys imagination is _much_ more entertaining.
p.s. Anyone on any day can do something stupid:
https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2015/12/02/the-king-of-
saudi-arabia-gave-over-13m-in-gifts-to-the-obamas-last-year
Flunky doesn't read newspapers, he tunes in to CNN and believes everything they say.
Except that I can't remember the last time I tuned into CNN
That's why he is the very definition of "loser".
Hmmm....like someone who brags about is million dollar investment
ballooning into a million dollars over 5 years?
Hey Flunky, tell us again that you've done 600 miles this year at an average of 20 mph.
Why would I do that? According to https://www.strava.com/athletes/16053273
Activities 35
Distance 715.8 mi
Elev Gain 39,266 ft
Time 39h 48m
gives about 17.9. Sure, most of that is virtual (typical for this time
of year) but comports with my last two (successful) commutes:
https://www.strava.com/activities/14256779418
shows 18.6
https://www.strava.com/activities/14261577903
shows 18.7
Is it really that painful being such a loser?
I wouldn't know personally, but based on how much of a cranky angry old
bitch you are, it must be pretty bad.
On Mon May 19 09:11:48 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Liebermann, just shut up.
There were several repurposed drugs that effectively treated covid-19. But in order to get emergency authorization for accelerated development of vaccines there can be NO effective treatment. So Under the command of Fauci and Biden all other treatmentswere denied effectiveness and even the medical association said that using these drugs would lose you your medical certification.
It grows tiresome you shooting your stupid mouth off about ANYTHING you don't know about. Most of the deaths from covid-19 were from the vaccines and we will continue having deaths from mRNA vavvines for at least another 5 years. Possibly 10. The worstthing you could have done was to run down and be vaccinated to prove me "WRONG" but time will tell since you're cancer prone.
On Sun May 18 17:56:57 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 15:28:58 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Thu May 15 15:37:08 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/15/2025 2:51 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I finally discovered where that idiotic rumor came from. Air Force One has been greatly delayed from Boeing because DEI really screwed up their quality.
So while Trump was in the UAE, they offered to give him a private jet which was worth $400 million. Of course he turned it down because the present Air Force One is far more secure in any case.
But the left wingers have been screaming that Trump took a $400 Million bribe, which he didn't. It must be fun to be able to invent any reality you want.
The current planes (primary Air Force One are pairs, so one
can be in maintenance while the other is flying. Note also
any airplane with POTUS in it uses AF1 as their call sign.)
are the only two examples of that model still flying in USA.
At 35 years old, they are at the end of their useful life
and so new planes were ordered in 2018 for 2024 delivery.
The planes are not yet built and the delivery is now
extended to perhaps 2027:
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-force-one-boeing-requirements-2027/ >> >>
Mr Trump is in Qatar, not UAE. The scheming traitorous
Qataris offered a jet for his use. Many people, I among
them, think that's batshit crazy in general, and in
particular for anything from Qatar. The bastards gave
shelter to Kalid Sheikh Mohammad after he bombed the World
Trade Center in 1993, provide residences for Hamas' upper
echelon and their families, fund Hamas and other jihadi
murderers including top Al Quaeda directors. The list is long:
https://www.memri.org/reports/qatars-support-anti-us-terrorist-activity-and-attacks
Mr Trump has not turned it down as of this morning.
You might make a habit of reading a couple pf newspapers
every morning, which would easily keep you abreast of
national and world issues.
p.s. Anyone on any day can do something stupid:
https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2015/12/02/the-king-of-saudi-arabia-gave-over-13m-in-gifts-to-the-obamas-last-year
Is is necessary to "turn down" a proferred bribe?
It's not a bribe, not unless you keep it.
//
Saudi King Abdullah gave Mr Obama, his wife and daughters nearly
$190,000 in luxury baubles in 2009, including the single most valuable
gift reported to have been given to U.S. officials that year: a ruby
and diamond jewelry set, including earrings, a ring, a bracelet and
necklace, for the First Lady worth $132,000.
However, Mrs Obama is unlikely to be pictured wearing the jewels, as
by law gifts to U.S. officials must be turned over to the Government -
the jewellery already has been sent to the National Archives.
You certainly didn't see any Democrat howling that this was bribery. The Internet has been ablase, claiming that he was given $400 million in cash which is an outright lie. He was merely offered a replacement for a late delivery of the new Air Force One.
More importantly, while the media claims are now different, when Obama entered the race for President he was worth $190,000. Why haven't they looked into how he could possibly be worth $200 Million now?
Biden entiered his first term as senator and was the runner for Senator Robert Byrd who was a member ot the KKK. Biden gathered votes to kill support for the Civil Rights Act. Biden was one of the strongest racist in public off since even Byrd didn'tbelieve his own policies.
How did the Democrats convince the US that they were on the side of civil rights when they were defeated by Ulysses Grant in the Civil War?
On 5/19/2025 9:33 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/19/2025 6:30 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/18/2025 5:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 3:32 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun May 18 11:07:00 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 10:28 AM, cyclintom wrote:
Is is necessary to "turn down" a proferred bribe?
It is.
What happened when he was so surprised by what a reporter said and
repeated it in surprise? Our local cocksucker told everyone that
Trump said that we should drink bleech to cure covid.
No, best he doesn't even acknowledge such things at all. Words
unsaid, even "no" cannot be twisted.
Mr Trump never said any such thing about bleach, not even remotely or
obliquely.
Actually he did, at a press conference on April 23 2020, after a
presentation which showed that UV light and bleach were effective at
killing the virus.
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute.
One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by
injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the
lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be
interesting to check that.
At least in the understanding of the medical community at large, that
was far enough past oblique and/or remote that they immediately issued
press releases telling people not to drink or inject bleach.
I did not understand the rest of your comment but bribery remains
neither legal nor moral.
Yes I heard that live, one of many daily presentations during the
hysteria. Thank you for an accurate transcript.
His questions (typical of Mr Trump's style on any topic) "Is it
feasible? Can we learn more?" etc are not exhortations nor commands and
there's absolutely no mention of bleach. Moreover, as you note, his
questions were directly in response to the presentation on then-current
understanding of antiviral techniques.
That 'inject bleach' trope started later when he was mocked, as usual,
by comedian John Oliver, with typical insulting hyperbole, and
invention. Irresponsible repetition of the falsehoods has made the lie
real to some people, perhaps even you:
https://www.whqr.org/2024-04-03/fact-check-did-trump-once-tell-
americans-to-inject-bleach-to-fight-covid-19
IIRC, the idea of a disinfectant killing COVID virus was based on Trump >hearing about disinfectants such as bleach and isopropyl alcohol applied
to a surface.
I wonder, then, what type of disinfectant was he thinking about
injecting into the body? And by what method? In what way would that make >sense?
You can claim the outrage was generated by left wing media. But
companies making products like Lysol and bleach were worried enough that
they felt the need to issue warnings about misuse of their products.
Medical agencies did the same, possibly because people wearing red hats
are not known for rational approaches to science.
On Mon, 19 May 2025 13:23:50 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/19/2025 9:33 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/19/2025 6:30 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/18/2025 5:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 3:32 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun May 18 11:07:00 2025 AMuzi? wrote:
On 5/18/2025 10:28 AM, cyclintom wrote:
Is is necessary to "turn down" a proferred bribe?
It is.
What happened when he was so surprised by what a reporter said and >>>>> repeated it in surprise? Our local cocksucker told everyone that
Trump said that we should drink bleech to cure covid.
No, best he doesn't even acknowledge such things at all. Words
unsaid, even "no" cannot be twisted.
Mr Trump never said any such thing about bleach, not even remotely or >>>> obliquely.
Actually he did, at a press conference on April 23 2020, after a
presentation which showed that UV light and bleach were effective at
killing the virus.
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute.
One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by
injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the
lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be
interesting to check that.?
At least in the understanding of the medical community at large, that
was far enough past oblique and/or remote that they immediately issued >>> press releases telling people not to drink or inject bleach.
I did not understand the rest of your comment but bribery remains
neither legal nor moral.
Yes I heard that live, one of many daily presentations during the
hysteria. Thank you for an accurate transcript.
His questions (typical of Mr Trump's style on any topic) "Is it
feasible? Can we learn more?" etc are not exhortations nor commands and
there's absolutely no mention of bleach. Moreover, as you note, his
questions were directly in response to the presentation on then-current
understanding of antiviral techniques.
That 'inject bleach' trope started later when he was mocked, as usual,
by comedian John Oliver, with typical insulting hyperbole, and
invention. Irresponsible repetition of the falsehoods has made the lie
real to some people, perhaps even you:
https://www.whqr.org/2024-04-03/fact-check-did-trump-once-tell-
americans-to-inject-bleach-to-fight-covid-19
IIRC, the idea of a disinfectant killing COVID virus was based on Trump >hearing about disinfectants such as bleach and isopropyl alcohol applied
to a surface.
I wonder, then, what type of disinfectant was he thinking about
injecting into the body? And by what method? In what way would that make >sense?
You can claim the outrage was generated by left wing media. But
companies making products like Lysol and bleach were worried enough that >they felt the need to issue warnings about misuse of their products. >Medical agencies did the same, possibly because people wearing red hats
are not known for rational approaches to science.
True.
The fact check (READ link above) concluded that it was
"partially false". That means (logically) it was "partially true".
I SAW Trump suggesting injecting disinfectants. His defense,
that he was "speaking in off" is NOT an excuse. When you're POTUS, you
are POTUS 24/7. You are NEVER POTUS "in off".
Ditto for chloroquine and ivermectin. They were a reasonable
suggestion when vaccines were not available, but the minute clinical
tests showed they did NOT work, the Trumpets should have stopped
endorsing and making a fortune selling them to the MAGA-hats.
As we all know, that didn't happen. And a lot of people died
because of it.
On 5/19/2025 9:33 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/19/2025 6:30 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/18/2025 5:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 3:32 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun May 18 11:07:00 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 10:28 AM, cyclintom wrote:
Is is necessary to "turn down" a proferred bribe?
It is.
What happened when he was so surprised by what a reporter said and
repeated it in surprise? Our local cocksucker told everyone that
Trump said that we should drink bleech to cure covid.
No, best he doesn't even acknowledge such things at all. Words
unsaid, even "no" cannot be twisted.
Mr Trump never said any such thing about bleach, not even remotely or
obliquely.
Actually he did, at a press conference on April 23 2020, after a
presentation which showed that UV light and bleach were effective at
killing the virus.
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute.
One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by
injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the
lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be
interesting to check that.
At least in the understanding of the medical community at large, that
was far enough past oblique and/or remote that they immediately issued
press releases telling people not to drink or inject bleach.
I did not understand the rest of your comment but bribery remains
neither legal nor moral.
Yes I heard that live, one of many daily presentations during the
hysteria. Thank you for an accurate transcript.
His questions (typical of Mr Trump's style on any topic) "Is it
feasible? Can we learn more?" etc are not exhortations nor commands and
there's absolutely no mention of bleach. Moreover, as you note, his
questions were directly in response to the presentation on then-current
understanding of antiviral techniques.
That 'inject bleach' trope started later when he was mocked, as usual,
by comedian John Oliver, with typical insulting hyperbole, and
invention. Irresponsible repetition of the falsehoods has made the lie
real to some people, perhaps even you:
https://www.whqr.org/2024-04-03/fact-check-did-trump-once-tell-
americans-to-inject-bleach-to-fight-covid-19
IIRC, the idea of a disinfectant killing COVID virus was based on Trump >hearing about disinfectants such as bleach and isopropyl alcohol applied
to a surface.
I wonder, then, what type of disinfectant was he thinking about
injecting into the body? And by what method? In what way would that make >sense?
You can claim the outrage was generated by left wing media. But
companies making products like Lysol and bleach were worried enough that
they felt the need to issue warnings about misuse of their products.
Medical agencies did the same, possibly because people wearing red hats
are not known for rational approaches to science.
On 5/19/2025 6:30 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/18/2025 5:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 3:32 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun May 18 11:07:00 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 10:28 AM, cyclintom wrote:
Is is necessary to "turn down" a proferred bribe?
It is.
What happened when he was so surprised by what a reporter
said and repeated it in surprise? Our local cocksucker
told everyone that Trump said that we should drink bleech
to cure covid.
No, best he doesn't even acknowledge such things at all.
Words unsaid, even "no" cannot be twisted.
Mr Trump never said any such thing about bleach, not even
remotely or obliquely.
Actually he did, at a press conference on April 23 2020,
after a presentation which showed that UV light and bleach
were effective at killing the virus.
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in
a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something
like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because
you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous
number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that.
At least in the understanding of the medical community at
large, that was far enough past oblique and/or remote that
they immediately issued press releases telling people not to
drink or inject bleach.
I did not understand the rest of your comment but bribery
remains neither legal nor moral.
Yes I heard that live, one of many daily presentations
during the hysteria. Thank you for an accurate transcript.
His questions (typical of Mr Trump's style on any topic) "Is
it feasible? Can we learn more?" etc are not exhortations
nor commands and there's absolutely no mention of bleach.
Moreover, as you note, his questions were directly in
response to the presentation on then-current understanding
of antiviral techniques.
That 'inject bleach' trope started later when he was mocked,
as usual, by comedian John Oliver, with typical insulting
hyperbole, and invention. Irresponsible repetition of the
falsehoods has made the lie real to some people, perhaps
even you:
https://www.whqr.org/2024-04-03/fact-check-did-trump-once-tell-americans-to-inject-bleach-to-fight-covid-19
As with Ms Palin who never said anything remotely like, "I
can see Russia from my house!", it never happened.
On 5/19/2025 9:33 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/19/2025 6:30 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/18/2025 5:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 3:32 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun May 18 11:07:00 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 10:28 AM, cyclintom wrote:
Is is necessary to "turn down" a proferred bribe?
It is.
What happened when he was so surprised by what a
reporter said and repeated it in surprise? Our local
cocksucker told everyone that Trump said that we should
drink bleech to cure covid.
No, best he doesn't even acknowledge such things at
all. Words unsaid, even "no" cannot be twisted.
Mr Trump never said any such thing about bleach, not
even remotely or obliquely.
Actually he did, at a press conference on April 23 2020,
after a presentation which showed that UV light and
bleach were effective at killing the virus.
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out
in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do
something like that, by injection inside or almost a
cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it
does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be
interesting to check that.”
At least in the understanding of the medical community at
large, that was far enough past oblique and/or remote
that they immediately issued press releases telling
people not to drink or inject bleach.
I did not understand the rest of your comment but
bribery remains neither legal nor moral.
Yes I heard that live, one of many daily presentations
during the hysteria. Thank you for an accurate transcript.
His questions (typical of Mr Trump's style on any topic)
"Is it feasible? Can we learn more?" etc are not
exhortations nor commands and there's absolutely no
mention of bleach. Moreover, as you note, his questions
were directly in response to the presentation on then-
current understanding of antiviral techniques.
That 'inject bleach' trope started later when he was
mocked, as usual, by comedian John Oliver, with typical
insulting hyperbole, and invention. Irresponsible
repetition of the falsehoods has made the lie real to some
people, perhaps even you:
https://www.whqr.org/2024-04-03/fact-check-did-trump-once-
tell- americans-to-inject-bleach-to-fight-covid-19
IIRC, the idea of a disinfectant killing COVID virus was
based on Trump hearing about disinfectants such as bleach
and isopropyl alcohol applied to a surface.
I wonder, then, what type of disinfectant was he thinking
about injecting into the body? And by what method? In what
way would that make sense?
You can claim the outrage was generated by left wing media.
But companies making products like Lysol and bleach were
worried enough that they felt the need to issue warnings
about misuse of their products. Medical agencies did the
same, possibly because people wearing red hats are not known
for rational approaches to science.
On 5/19/2025 3:27 PM, cyclintom wrote:
There have been a LARGE number of medical studies showing
that mRNA vaccines are seriously dangerous ...
Then give us links to a few of them, from reputable
scientific medical journals, please. Not from right wing
YouTube hacks.
I have claimed since the 1980's that Fauci was a complete
blithering idiot ...
And we have claimed that you, Tom, are a blithering idiot.
The difference is, with your posts, we have proof.
On 5/19/2025 3:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/19/2025 3:27 PM, cyclintom wrote:
There have been a LARGE number of medical studies showing
that mRNA vaccines are seriously dangerous ...
Then give us links to a few of them, from reputable
scientific medical journals, please. Not from right wing
YouTube hacks.
I have claimed since the 1980's that Fauci was a complete
blithering idiot ...
And we have claimed that you, Tom, are a blithering idiot.
The difference is, with your posts, we have proof.
There are many.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10022421/"The review includes 69 case reports/case series, 4 studies with data
https://www.med.upenn.edu/CEP/assets/user-content/documents/covid-reports/mrna-vaccine-review-final.pdfThis survey article has a chance of being correct. They didn't use
https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/study-largely-confirms-known-rare-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/This one mentions that they used VAERS data, but how and in what
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8421099/This report does not involved the general population. It was done in
But we each look at examples and either accept them as a
quantified risk or discount them as outlier unlikely anomalies.
I have no dog in this fight- accept the jab or don't. Meh.
Medical authorities were saying that antiseptics can kill covid-19 on surfaces which makes no difference at all since it has a short lifespan on dry surfaces and none on surfaces exposed to sunlight or UV. It is a respiratory disease and can hang in theair for a short time.
Anyone walking through that cloud can be exposed to it. But it is an INFLUENZA virus
and most adults have a high immunity to Covid-19.
The vast majority of people that had it didn't even know they had it and there had to be kits developed that would show it in those who only had slight symtoms.
There have been a LARGE number of medical studies showing that mRNA vaccines are seriously dangerous since you do not know the area effected, the dosage offered or the length of time that it operates. Again: MOST of the deaths supposedly by Covid-19were from the mRNA vaccines. over 50% of adults taking these vaccines had PERMANENTLY damaged hearts.
I beg to differ (as usual). Some of the studies used data from the
crowd sources VAERS database.
On 5/19/2025 3:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/19/2025 3:27 PM, cyclintom wrote:
There have been a LARGE number of medical studies showing
that mRNA vaccines are seriously dangerous ...
Then give us links to a few of them, from reputable
scientific medical journals, please. Not from right wing
YouTube hacks.
I have claimed since the 1980's that Fauci was a complete
blithering idiot ...
And we have claimed that you, Tom, are a blithering idiot.
The difference is, with your posts, we have proof.
There are many.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10022421/
https://www.med.upenn.edu/CEP/assets/user-content/documents/covid-reports/mrna-vaccine-review-final.pdf
https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/study-largely-confirms-known-rare-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8421099/
But we each look at examples and either accept them as a
quantified risk or discount them as outlier unlikely anomalies.
I have no dog in this fight- accept the jab or don't. Meh.
On 5/19/2025 3:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/19/2025 3:27 PM, cyclintom wrote:
There have been a LARGE number of medical studies showing
that mRNA vaccines are seriously dangerous ...
Then give us links to a few of them, from reputable
scientific medical journals, please. Not from right wing
YouTube hacks.
I have claimed since the 1980's that Fauci was a complete
blithering idiot ...
And we have claimed that you, Tom, are a blithering idiot.
The difference is, with your posts, we have proof.
There are many.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10022421/
https://www.med.upenn.edu/CEP/assets/user-content/documents/covid-reports/mrna-vaccine-review-final.pdf
https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/study-largely-confirms-known-rare-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8421099/
But we each look at examples and either accept them as a
quantified risk or discount them as outlier unlikely anomalies.
I have no dog in this fight- accept the jab or don't. Meh.
On 5/19/2025 6:30 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/18/2025 5:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 3:32 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun May 18 11:07:00 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 10:28 AM, cyclintom wrote:
Is is necessary to "turn down" a proferred bribe?
It is.
What happened when he was so surprised by what a reporter said and
repeated it in surprise? Our local cocksucker told everyone that
Trump said that we should drink bleech to cure covid.
No, best he doesn't even acknowledge such things at all. Words
unsaid, even "no" cannot be twisted.
Mr Trump never said any such thing about bleach, not even remotely or
obliquely.
Actually he did, at a press conference on April 23 2020, after a
presentation which showed that UV light and bleach were effective at
killing the virus.
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute.
One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by
injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the
lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be
interesting to check that.”
At least in the understanding of the medical community at large, that
was far enough past oblique and/or remote that they immediately issued
press releases telling people not to drink or inject bleach.
I did not understand the rest of your comment but bribery remains
neither legal nor moral.
Yes I heard that live, one of many daily presentations during the
hysteria. Thank you for an accurate transcript.
His questions (typical of Mr Trump's style on any topic) "Is it
feasible? Can we learn more?" etc are not exhortations nor commands and there's absolutely no mention of bleach. Moreover, as you note, his
questions were directly in response to the presentation on then-current understanding of antiviral techniques.
That 'inject bleach' trope started later when he was mocked, as usual,
by comedian John Oliver, with typical insulting hyperbole, and
invention. Irresponsible repetition of the falsehoods has made the lie
real to some people, perhaps even you:
https://www.whqr.org/2024-04-03/fact-check-did-trump-once-tell- americans-to-inject-bleach-to-fight-covid-19
As with Ms Palin who never said anything remotely like, "I can see
Russia from my house!", it never happened.
On Mon May 19 07:15:34 2025 zen cycle wrote:
On 5/18/2025 11:35 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 15 17:01:19 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/15/2025 4:37 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/15/2025 2:51 PM, cyclintom wrote:What really surprise me about the whole affair is that anyone is
I finally discovered where that idiotic rumor came from. Air Force One >>>>>> has been greatly delayed from Boeing because DEI really screwed up >>>>>> their quality.
So while Trump was in the UAE, they offered to give him a private jet >>>>>> which was worth $400 million. Of course he turned it down because the >>>>>> present Air Force One is far more secure in any case.
But the left wingers have been screaming that Trump took a $400
Million bribe, which he didn't. It must be fun to be able to invent >>>>>> any reality you want.
The current planes (primary Air Force One are pairs, so one can be in >>>>> maintenance while the other is flying. Note also any airplane with POTUS >>>>> in it uses AF1 as their call sign.) are the only two examples of that >>>>> model still flying in USA. At 35 years old, they are at the end of their >>>>> useful life and so new planes were ordered in 2018 for 2024 delivery. >>>>>
The planes are not yet built and the delivery is now extended to perhaps >>>>> 2027:
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-force-one-boeing-requirements-2027/ >>>>
entertaining the idea that the Qatari jet could be reasonably converted >>>> to an AF1. Aside from have a base of a 747, there are few similarities. >>>> The Qatari jet would have to be gutted to the superstructure so that it >>>> could be fitted with different wiring, hydraulics, fuel lines, air frame >>>> reinforcement members, and armor plating. It needs larger fuel tanks
that are reinforced to sustain damage. All the extra weight of the
reinforcement, electronic countermeasure equipment, and larger fuel
tanks require larger engines, not to mention it needs engines with
enough thrust to do very short take offs.
Essentially, its a completely different aircraft. it's actually cheaper >>>> and easier to build an AF1 from the ground up than it would be to start >>>> from a completely assembled 747.
I'm absolutely no fan of trump, but POTUS needs to have a plane that's >>>> been designed with purpose, not retrofitted like some dodge conversion van.
Mr Trump is in Qatar, not UAE. The scheming traitorous Qataris offered >>>>> a jet for his use. Many people, I among them, think that's batshit crazy >>>>> in general, and in particular for anything from Qatar. The bastards
gave shelter to Kalid Sheikh Mohammad after he bombed the World Trade >>>>> Center in 1993, provide residences for Hamas' upper echelon and their >>>>> families, fund Hamas and other jihadi murderers including top Al Quaeda >>>>> directors. The list is long:
https://www.memri.org/reports/qatars-support-anti-us-terrorist-activity- >>>>> and-attacks
Mr Trump has not turned it down as of this morning.
And he wont. He'll get a free plane for personal use after his
presidency, emollients clause be damned and this spineless DOJ and
congress won't do a fucking thing to stop him. It's already allegedly at >>>> an Airfield in San Antonio:
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/article/trump-qatar-jet-air-force-one-san-antonio-20323298.php
You might make a habit of reading a couple pf newspapers every morning, >>>>> which would easily keep you abreast of national and world issues.
Oh, c'mon Andrew. Tommys imagination is _much_ more entertaining.
p.s. Anyone on any day can do something stupid:
https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2015/12/02/the-king-of-
saudi-arabia-gave-over-13m-in-gifts-to-the-obamas-last-year
Flunky doesn't read newspapers, he tunes in to CNN and believes everything they say.
Except that I can't remember the last time I tuned into CNN
That's why he is the very definition of "loser".
Hmmm....like someone who brags about is million dollar investment
ballooning into a million dollars over 5 years?
Hey Flunky, tell us again that you've done 600 miles this year at an average of 20 mph.
Why would I do that? According to https://www.strava.com/athletes/16053273 >>
Activities 35
Distance 715.8 mi
Elev Gain 39,266 ft
Time 39h 48m
gives about 17.9. Sure, most of that is virtual (typical for this time
of year) but comports with my last two (successful) commutes:
https://www.strava.com/activities/14256779418
shows 18.6
https://www.strava.com/activities/14261577903
shows 18.7
Is it really that painful being such a loser?
I wouldn't know personally, but based on how much of a cranky angry old
bitch you are, it must be pretty bad.
Flunky, a "virtual" race is not a race. Stop pretending it is.
On 5/19/2025 9:33 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/19/2025 6:30 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/18/2025 5:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 3:32 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun May 18 11:07:00 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 10:28 AM, cyclintom wrote:
Is is necessary to "turn down" a proferred bribe?
It is.
What happened when he was so surprised by what a reporter said and
repeated it in surprise? Our local cocksucker told everyone that
Trump said that we should drink bleech to cure covid.
No, best he doesn't even acknowledge such things at all. Words
unsaid, even "no" cannot be twisted.
Mr Trump never said any such thing about bleach, not even remotely or
obliquely.
Actually he did, at a press conference on April 23 2020, after a
presentation which showed that UV light and bleach were effective at
killing the virus.
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute.
One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by
injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the
lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be
interesting to check that.
At least in the understanding of the medical community at large, that
was far enough past oblique and/or remote that they immediately issued
press releases telling people not to drink or inject bleach.
I did not understand the rest of your comment but bribery remains
neither legal nor moral.
Yes I heard that live, one of many daily presentations during the
hysteria. Thank you for an accurate transcript.
His questions (typical of Mr Trump's style on any topic) "Is it
feasible? Can we learn more?" etc are not exhortations nor commands and
there's absolutely no mention of bleach. Moreover, as you note, his
questions were directly in response to the presentation on then-current
understanding of antiviral techniques.
That 'inject bleach' trope started later when he was mocked, as usual,
by comedian John Oliver, with typical insulting hyperbole, and
invention. Irresponsible repetition of the falsehoods has made the lie
real to some people, perhaps even you:
https://www.whqr.org/2024-04-03/fact-check-did-trump-once-tell-
americans-to-inject-bleach-to-fight-covid-19
As with Ms Palin who never said anything remotely like, "I can see
Russia from my house!", it never happened.
As noted, trump floated the idea of 'disinfectant' injections. The claim
"Mr Trump never said any such thing about bleach, not even remotely or >obliquely." is patently false.
On Mon, 19 May 2025 15:40:14 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/19/2025 3:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/19/2025 3:27 PM, cyclintom wrote:
There have been a LARGE number of medical studies showing
that mRNA vaccines are seriously dangerous ...
Then give us links to a few of them, from reputable
scientific medical journals, please. Not from right wing
YouTube hacks.
I have claimed since the 1980's that Fauci was a complete
blithering idiot ...
And we have claimed that you, Tom, are a blithering idiot.
The difference is, with your posts, we have proof.
There are many.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10022421/
https://www.med.upenn.edu/CEP/assets/user-content/documents/covid-reports/mrna-vaccine-review-final.pdf
https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/study-largely-confirms-known-rare-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8421099/
But we each look at examples and either accept them as a
quantified risk or discount them as outlier unlikely anomalies.
I have no dog in this fight- accept the jab or don't. Meh.
Those studies are either over 4 years old and incomplete OR
don't give the ratio of serious reactions VS total people vaccinated.
Some even list fever as "serious systemic reactions". LOL.
Unless I missed something ... I confess I did skim, since most
were not peer reviewed. I avoided concentrating when I read, as I tend
to memorize the data.
[]'s
On 5/19/2025 9:33 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/19/2025 6:30 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/18/2025 5:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 3:32 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun May 18 11:07:00 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 10:28 AM, cyclintom wrote:
Is is necessary to "turn down" a proferred bribe?
It is.
What happened when he was so surprised by what a
reporter said and repeated it in surprise? Our local
cocksucker told everyone that Trump said that we should
drink bleech to cure covid.
No, best he doesn't even acknowledge such things at
all. Words unsaid, even "no" cannot be twisted.
Mr Trump never said any such thing about bleach, not
even remotely or obliquely.
Actually he did, at a press conference on April 23 2020,
after a presentation which showed that UV light and
bleach were effective at killing the virus.
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out
in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do
something like that, by injection inside or almost a
cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it
does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be
interesting to check that.”
At least in the understanding of the medical community at
large, that was far enough past oblique and/or remote
that they immediately issued press releases telling
people not to drink or inject bleach.
I did not understand the rest of your comment but
bribery remains neither legal nor moral.
Yes I heard that live, one of many daily presentations
during the hysteria. Thank you for an accurate transcript.
His questions (typical of Mr Trump's style on any topic)
"Is it feasible? Can we learn more?" etc are not
exhortations nor commands and there's absolutely no
mention of bleach. Moreover, as you note, his questions
were directly in response to the presentation on then-
current understanding of antiviral techniques.
That 'inject bleach' trope started later when he was
mocked, as usual, by comedian John Oliver, with typical
insulting hyperbole, and invention. Irresponsible
repetition of the falsehoods has made the lie real to some
people, perhaps even you:
https://www.whqr.org/2024-04-03/fact-check-did-trump-once-
tell- americans-to-inject-bleach-to-fight-covid-19
As with Ms Palin who never said anything remotely like, "I
can see Russia from my house!", it never happened.
As noted, trump floated the idea of 'disinfectant'
injections. The claim "Mr Trump never said any such thing
about bleach, not even remotely or obliquely." is patently
false.
On 5/19/2025 5:34 PM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/19/2025 9:33 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/19/2025 6:30 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/18/2025 5:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 3:32 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun May 18 11:07:00 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 10:28 AM, cyclintom wrote:
Is is necessary to "turn down" a proferred bribe?
It is.
What happened when he was so surprised by what a
reporter said and repeated it in surprise? Our local
cocksucker told everyone that Trump said that we should
drink bleech to cure covid.
No, best he doesn't even acknowledge such things at
all. Words unsaid, even "no" cannot be twisted.
Mr Trump never said any such thing about bleach, not
even remotely or obliquely.
Actually he did, at a press conference on April 23 2020,
after a presentation which showed that UV light and
bleach were effective at killing the virus.
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out
in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do
something like that, by injection inside or almost a
cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it
does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be
interesting to check that.
At least in the understanding of the medical community at
large, that was far enough past oblique and/or remote
that they immediately issued press releases telling
people not to drink or inject bleach.
I did not understand the rest of your comment but
bribery remains neither legal nor moral.
Yes I heard that live, one of many daily presentations
during the hysteria. Thank you for an accurate transcript.
His questions (typical of Mr Trump's style on any topic)
"Is it feasible? Can we learn more?" etc are not
exhortations nor commands and there's absolutely no
mention of bleach. Moreover, as you note, his questions
were directly in response to the presentation on then-
current understanding of antiviral techniques.
That 'inject bleach' trope started later when he was
mocked, as usual, by comedian John Oliver, with typical
insulting hyperbole, and invention. Irresponsible
repetition of the falsehoods has made the lie real to some
people, perhaps even you:
https://www.whqr.org/2024-04-03/fact-check-did-trump-once-
tell- americans-to-inject-bleach-to-fight-covid-19
As with Ms Palin who never said anything remotely like, "I
can see Russia from my house!", it never happened.
As noted, trump floated the idea of 'disinfectant'
injections. The claim "Mr Trump never said any such thing
about bleach, not even remotely or obliquely." is patently
false.
See what you like between the lines of the transcript but
although bleach can be a disinfectant (depending on
concentration etc) not all disinfectants are chlorine bleach.
He asked, as a follow up to the expert's reference to
disinfectants, if we might pursue that, asking "Is there a
way we can do something like that, by injection inside ...?"
and "It would be interesting to check that."
Those are logical questions, not a command, exhortation or
medical advice.
(p.s. chemotherapy is not all that different from the
arsenic cure for syphilis in the late 1800s, speaking of
poisons)
No one would have cared either way but for the comedian
making it into 'Trump says inject yourself with bleach'. In
the exact same way as was applied to Ms Palin and Mr Ford
among others.
On 5/19/2025 4:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/19/2025 3:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/19/2025 3:27 PM, cyclintom wrote:
There have been a LARGE number of medical studies showing that mRNA
vaccines are seriously dangerous ...
Then give us links to a few of them, from reputable scientific medical
journals, please. Not from right wing YouTube hacks.
I have claimed since the 1980's that Fauci was a complete blithering
idiot ...
And we have claimed that you, Tom, are a blithering idiot. The
difference is, with your posts, we have proof.
There are many.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10022421/
https://www.med.upenn.edu/CEP/assets/user-content/documents/covid-
reports/mrna-vaccine-review-final.pdf
https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/study-largely-confirms-known-rare-
covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8421099/
But we each look at examples and either accept them as a quantified risk
or discount them as outlier unlikely anomalies.
I have no dog in this fight- accept the jab or don't. Meh.
I have a dog in this fight, only insofar as I don't like to see
scientific ignorance babbled about.
Tom said mRNA vaccines "are seriously dangerous." To me, "seriously >dangerous" implies adverse effects that are truly consequential, and at
least fairly common.
Let's look at your linked papers. The first talks about some not fatal,
but pretty serious adverse events in about 17,000 cases. But they don't
give that as a percentage of doses administered. So, how many doses?
From
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1194934/number-of-covid-vaccine-doses-administered-by-county-worldwide/,
it looks like for the U.S. it's about 600 million around the time
covered by that study. 17000/600,000,000 is about 0.003%. Not very
common, is it? And that conclusion is bolstered by statements in other
papers you linked, like "Serious COVID-19 Vaccine Side Effects Are Rare."
Another of your links says "Systemic adverse events such as fatigue,
muscle aches, headache, and chills are common. Severe systemic adverse
events were reported by 5 to 10 percent of trial subjects. Localized
adverse events such as pain at the injection side are common. Both
systemic and local adverse events usually are resolved within one or two >days." Or IOW: You might feel slightly sick after getting the vaccine,
for a couple days.
Um... Wow. Is that what qualifies as "seriously dangerous" these days?
I particularly hate to see deliberate scientific ignorance that's
motivated by right wing points of view. But that seems to be sadly common.
It's almost like it's part of right wing dogma.
On 5/19/2025 4:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/19/2025 12:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/19/2025 9:33 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/19/2025 6:30 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/18/2025 5:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 3:32 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun May 18 11:07:00 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 10:28 AM, cyclintom wrote:
Is is necessary to "turn down" a proferred bribe?
It is.
What happened when he was so surprised by what a reporter said and >>>>>>> repeated it in surprise? Our local cocksucker told everyone that >>>>>>> Trump said that we should drink bleech to cure covid.
No, best he doesn't even acknowledge such things at all. Words
unsaid, even "no" cannot be twisted.
Mr Trump never said any such thing about bleach, not even remotely >>>>>> or obliquely.
Actually he did, at a press conference on April 23 2020, after a
presentation which showed that UV light and bleach were effective at >>>>> killing the virus.
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a
minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like
that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it
gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So
it would be interesting to check that.
At least in the understanding of the medical community at large,
that was far enough past oblique and/or remote that they immediately >>>>> issued press releases telling people not to drink or inject bleach.
I did not understand the rest of your comment but bribery remains
neither legal nor moral.
Yes I heard that live, one of many daily presentations during the
hysteria. Thank you for an accurate transcript.
His questions (typical of Mr Trump's style on any topic) "Is it
feasible? Can we learn more?" etc are not exhortations nor commands
and there's absolutely no mention of bleach. Moreover, as you note,
his questions were directly in response to the presentation on then-
current understanding of antiviral techniques.
That 'inject bleach' trope started later when he was mocked, as
usual, by comedian John Oliver, with typical insulting hyperbole, and
invention. Irresponsible repetition of the falsehoods has made the
lie real to some people, perhaps even you:
https://www.whqr.org/2024-04-03/fact-check-did-trump-once- tell-
americans-to-inject-bleach-to-fight-covid-19
IIRC, the idea of a disinfectant killing COVID virus was based on
Trump hearing about disinfectants such as bleach and isopropyl alcohol
applied to a surface.
I wonder, then, what type of disinfectant was he thinking about
injecting into the body? And by what method? In what way would that
make sense?
You can claim the outrage was generated by left wing media. But
companies making products like Lysol and bleach were worried enough
that they felt the need to issue warnings about misuse of their
products. Medical agencies did the same, possibly because people
wearing red hats are not known for rational approaches to science.
You did not understand my comments because you forgot the timeline.
First there was a typical WH afternoon presentation, this one featuring
a researcher who among other subjects mentioned disifectants.
Then Mr Trump, as is his style, asked if that might be a productive
avenue of research and so on.
After that a comedian did his hyperbolic snarky TeeVee bit about 'Trump
says inject bleach', which went viral.
No different from the Sarah Palin smear - untrue and yet with a life of
its own. Or Gerald Ford, a graceful dancer, athlete and avid skier, who
will be remembered as a clumsy klutz due to a TeeVee skit.
Hope that helps.
I suppose it's nice to hear details about the timeline, but you haven't >answered my questions. What type of disinfectant was he thinking about >injecting into the body? And by what method? In what way would that make >sense? Why even say such a thing?
The videos and other contemporary information make clear that Dr. Birx
was horrified in real time as Trump was speaking. >https://www.nbcnews.com/video/watch-dr-birx-reacts-as-trump-suggests-injection-of-disinfectant-to-beat-coronavirus-82518597530
That reaction was not manufactured by a comedian.
Now, to your comments, did Clorox Co and Rekitt Corp actually take
inquiries about injecting bleach? Or were they being proactively
defensive regarding product liability?
They were almost certainly being proactive, knowing that there would be >anti-science MAGA idiots that would act on their leader's idea. And
indeed, poisonings by disinfectants did surge following Trump's nonsense >statement.
On 5/19/2025 4:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/19/2025 3:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/19/2025 3:27 PM, cyclintom wrote:
There have been a LARGE number of medical studies
showing that mRNA vaccines are seriously dangerous ...
Then give us links to a few of them, from reputable
scientific medical journals, please. Not from right wing
YouTube hacks.
I have claimed since the 1980's that Fauci was a
complete blithering idiot ...
And we have claimed that you, Tom, are a blithering
idiot. The difference is, with your posts, we have proof.
There are many.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10022421/
https://www.med.upenn.edu/CEP/assets/user-content/
documents/covid- reports/mrna-vaccine-review-final.pdf
https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/study-largely-confirms-
known-rare- covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8421099/
But we each look at examples and either accept them as a
quantified risk or discount them as outlier unlikely
anomalies.
I have no dog in this fight- accept the jab or don't. Meh.
I have a dog in this fight, only insofar as I don't like to
see scientific ignorance babbled about.
Tom said mRNA vaccines "are seriously dangerous." To me,
"seriously dangerous" implies adverse effects that are truly
consequential, and at least fairly common.
Let's look at your linked papers. The first talks about some
not fatal, but pretty serious adverse events in about 17,000
cases. But they don't give that as a percentage of doses
administered. So, how many doses? From https:// www.statista.com/statistics/1194934/number-of-covid-vaccine- doses-administered-by-county-worldwide/, it looks like for
the U.S. it's about 600 million around the time covered by
that study. 17000/600,000,000 is about 0.003%. Not very
common, is it? And that conclusion is bolstered by
statements in other papers you linked, like "Serious
COVID-19 Vaccine Side Effects Are Rare."
Another of your links says "Systemic adverse events such as
fatigue, muscle aches, headache, and chills are common.
Severe systemic adverse events were reported by 5 to 10
percent of trial subjects. Localized adverse events such as
pain at the injection side are common. Both systemic and
local adverse events usually are resolved within one or two
days." Or IOW: You might feel slightly sick after getting
the vaccine, for a couple days.
Um... Wow. Is that what qualifies as "seriously dangerous"
these days?
I particularly hate to see deliberate scientific ignorance
that's motivated by right wing points of view. But that
seems to be sadly common.
It's almost like it's part of right wing dogma.
On 5/19/2025 5:24 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 15:40:14 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/19/2025 3:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/19/2025 3:27 PM, cyclintom wrote:
There have been a LARGE number of medical studies showing
that mRNA vaccines are seriously dangerous ...
Then give us links to a few of them, from reputable
scientific medical journals, please. Not from right wing
YouTube hacks.
I have claimed since the 1980's that Fauci was a complete
blithering idiot ...
And we have claimed that you, Tom, are a blithering idiot.
The difference is, with your posts, we have proof.
There are many.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10022421/
https://www.med.upenn.edu/CEP/assets/user-content/documents/covid-reports/mrna-vaccine-review-final.pdf
https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/study-largely-confirms-known-rare-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8421099/
But we each look at examples and either accept them as a
quantified risk or discount them as outlier unlikely anomalies.
I have no dog in this fight- accept the jab or don't. Meh.
Those studies are either over 4 years old and incomplete OR
don't give the ratio of serious reactions VS total people vaccinated.
Some even list fever as "serious systemic reactions". LOL.
Unless I missed something ... I confess I did skim, since most
were not peer reviewed. I avoided concentrating when I read, as I tend
to memorize the data.
[]'s
I am also not an expert.
But in response to:
"give us links to a few of them, from reputable scientific
medical journals, please. Not from right wing YouTube hacks."
I linked the first few results from a web search.
Dispositive? Anomalous? I don't know, but their number is
not zero.
On Mon, 19 May 2025 18:57:13 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/19/2025 5:24 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 15:40:14 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/19/2025 3:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/19/2025 3:27 PM, cyclintom wrote:
There have been a LARGE number of medical studies showing
that mRNA vaccines are seriously dangerous ...
Then give us links to a few of them, from reputable
scientific medical journals, please. Not from right wing
YouTube hacks.
I have claimed since the 1980's that Fauci was a complete
blithering idiot ...
And we have claimed that you, Tom, are a blithering idiot.
The difference is, with your posts, we have proof.
There are many.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10022421/
https://www.med.upenn.edu/CEP/assets/user-content/documents/covid-reports/mrna-vaccine-review-final.pdf
https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/study-largely-confirms-known-rare-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8421099/
But we each look at examples and either accept them as a
quantified risk or discount them as outlier unlikely anomalies.
I have no dog in this fight- accept the jab or don't. Meh.
Those studies are either over 4 years old and incomplete OR
don't give the ratio of serious reactions VS total people vaccinated.
Some even list fever as "serious systemic reactions". LOL.
Unless I missed something ... I confess I did skim, since most
were not peer reviewed. I avoided concentrating when I read, as I tend
to memorize the data.
[]'s
I am also not an expert.
But in response to:
"give us links to a few of them, from reputable scientific
medical journals, please. Not from right wing YouTube hacks."
I linked the first few results from a web search.
Dispositive? Anomalous? I don't know, but their number is
not zero.
"Web search engines" are no longer politically neutral. It's practically impossible to find anything factual on Glugle here in
Brazil. Recent studies in the US show they are distorting news
articles there, too.
Look up "Lula" and he's still in jail convicted for
corruption. And Bolsonaro was sent here by Dog himself...
[]'s
On Mon, 19 May 2025 18:57:13 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/19/2025 5:24 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 15:40:14 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/19/2025 3:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/19/2025 3:27 PM, cyclintom wrote:
There have been a LARGE number of medical studies showing
that mRNA vaccines are seriously dangerous ...
Then give us links to a few of them, from reputable
scientific medical journals, please. Not from right wing
YouTube hacks.
I have claimed since the 1980's that Fauci was a complete
blithering idiot ...
And we have claimed that you, Tom, are a blithering idiot.
The difference is, with your posts, we have proof.
There are many.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10022421/
https://www.med.upenn.edu/CEP/assets/user-content/documents/covid-reports/mrna-vaccine-review-final.pdf
https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/study-largely-confirms-known-rare-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8421099/
But we each look at examples and either accept them as a
quantified risk or discount them as outlier unlikely anomalies.
I have no dog in this fight- accept the jab or don't. Meh.
Those studies are either over 4 years old and incomplete OR
don't give the ratio of serious reactions VS total people vaccinated.
Some even list fever as "serious systemic reactions". LOL.
Unless I missed something ... I confess I did skim, since most
were not peer reviewed. I avoided concentrating when I read, as I tend
to memorize the data.
[]'s
I am also not an expert.
But in response to:
"give us links to a few of them, from reputable scientific
medical journals, please. Not from right wing YouTube hacks."
I linked the first few results from a web search.
Dispositive? Anomalous? I don't know, but their number is
not zero.
"Web search engines" are no longer politically neutral. It's
practically impossible to find anything factual on Glugle here in
Brazil. Recent studies in the US show they are distorting news
articles there, too.
Look up "Lula" and he's still in jail convicted for
corruption. And Bolsonaro was sent here by Dog himself...
[]'s
On 5/20/2025 8:10 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/19/2025 8:58 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/19/2025 4:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/19/2025 3:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/19/2025 3:27 PM, cyclintom wrote:
There have been a LARGE number of medical studies showing that mRNA >>>>>> vaccines are seriously dangerous ...
Then give us links to a few of them, from reputable scientific
medical journals, please. Not from right wing YouTube hacks.
I have claimed since the 1980's that Fauci was a complete
blithering idiot ...
And we have claimed that you, Tom, are a blithering idiot. The
difference is, with your posts, we have proof.
There are many.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10022421/
https://www.med.upenn.edu/CEP/assets/user-content/ documents/covid-
reports/mrna-vaccine-review-final.pdf
https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/study-largely-confirms- known-rare-
covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8421099/
But we each look at examples and either accept them as a quantified
risk or discount them as outlier unlikely anomalies.
I have no dog in this fight- accept the jab or don't. Meh.
I have a dog in this fight, only insofar as I don't like to see
scientific ignorance babbled about.
Tom said mRNA vaccines "are seriously dangerous." To me, "seriously
dangerous" implies adverse effects that are truly consequential, and
at least fairly common.
Let's look at your linked papers. The first talks about some not
fatal, but pretty serious adverse events in about 17,000 cases. But
they don't give that as a percentage of doses administered. So, how
many doses? From https:// www.statista.com/statistics/1194934/number-
of-covid-vaccine- doses-administered-by-county-worldwide/, it looks
like for the U.S. it's about 600 million around the time covered by
that study. 17000/600,000,000 is about 0.003%. Not very common, is it?
And that conclusion is bolstered by statements in other papers you
linked, like "Serious COVID-19 Vaccine Side Effects Are Rare."
Another of your links says "Systemic adverse events such as fatigue,
muscle aches, headache, and chills are common. Severe systemic adverse
events were reported by 5 to 10 percent of trial subjects. Localized
adverse events such as pain at the injection side are common. Both
systemic and local adverse events usually are resolved within one or
two days." Or IOW: You might feel slightly sick after getting the
vaccine, for a couple days.
Um... Wow. Is that what qualifies as "seriously dangerous" these days?
I particularly hate to see deliberate scientific ignorance that's
motivated by right wing points of view. But that seems to be sadly
common.
It's almost like it's part of right wing dogma.
Make your own decision in your own way. Meh.
Andrew, that's like saying "Ride a bike if you want to" AFTER promoting
a massive publicity campaign that says "Riding a bike is so stupid and
so dangerous that anyone who does it should be refused ER care and
insurance coverage."
It's a weak excuse for a campaign of misinformation.
On 5/20/2025 7:41 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 22:11:45 -0400, Frank KrygowskiIf there were a reasonable way to defend Trump's statements, you would
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"I suppose it's nice to hear details about the timeline, but you
haven't answered my questions. What type of disinfectant was he
thinking about injecting into the body? And by what method? In what
way would that make sense? Why even say such a thing?"
Unable to advance his own point if view, Krygowski resorts to his
usual dishonest tactic of trying to shift the argument to his
opponent.
have done so by answering my questions. Instead, you've deflected and
refused to answer my questions.
On 5/19/2025 5:34 PM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/19/2025 9:33 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/19/2025 6:30 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/18/2025 5:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 3:32 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun May 18 11:07:00 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/18/2025 10:28 AM, cyclintom wrote:
Is is necessary to "turn down" a proferred bribe?
It is.
What happened when he was so surprised by what a reporter said and >>>>>> repeated it in surprise? Our local cocksucker told everyone that
Trump said that we should drink bleech to cure covid.
No, best he doesn't even acknowledge such things at all. Words
unsaid, even "no" cannot be twisted.
Mr Trump never said any such thing about bleach, not even remotely
or obliquely.
Actually he did, at a press conference on April 23 2020, after a
presentation which showed that UV light and bleach were effective at
killing the virus.
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a
minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like
that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it
gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So
it would be interesting to check that.”
At least in the understanding of the medical community at large,
that was far enough past oblique and/or remote that they immediately
issued press releases telling people not to drink or inject bleach.
I did not understand the rest of your comment but bribery remains
neither legal nor moral.
Yes I heard that live, one of many daily presentations during the
hysteria. Thank you for an accurate transcript.
His questions (typical of Mr Trump's style on any topic) "Is it
feasible? Can we learn more?" etc are not exhortations nor commands
and there's absolutely no mention of bleach. Moreover, as you note,
his questions were directly in response to the presentation on then-
current understanding of antiviral techniques.
That 'inject bleach' trope started later when he was mocked, as
usual, by comedian John Oliver, with typical insulting hyperbole, and
invention. Irresponsible repetition of the falsehoods has made the
lie real to some people, perhaps even you:
https://www.whqr.org/2024-04-03/fact-check-did-trump-once- tell-
americans-to-inject-bleach-to-fight-covid-19
As with Ms Palin who never said anything remotely like, "I can see
Russia from my house!", it never happened.
As noted, trump floated the idea of 'disinfectant' injections. The
claim "Mr Trump never said any such thing about bleach, not even
remotely or obliquely." is patently false.
See what you like between the lines of the transcript but although
bleach can be a disinfectant (depending on concentration etc) not all disinfectants are chlorine bleach.
He asked, as a follow up to the expert's reference to disinfectants, if
we might pursue that, asking "Is there a way we can do something like
that, by injection inside ...?" and "It would be interesting to check that."
Those are logical questions,
not a command, exhortation or medical advice.
(p.s. chemotherapy is not all that different from the arsenic cure for syphilis in the late 1800s, speaking of poisons)
No one would have cared either way but for the comedian making it into
'Trump says inject yourself with bleach'. In the exact same way as was applied to Ms Palin and Mr Ford among others.
On 5/20/2025 11:36 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:14:27 -0400, Frank KrygowskiObviously, the reason to answer would be to prove that what Trump said
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 7:41 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 22:11:45 -0400, Frank KrygowskiIf there were a reasonable way to defend Trump's statements, you would
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"I suppose it's nice to hear details about the timeline, but you
haven't answered my questions. What type of disinfectant was he
thinking about injecting into the body? And by what method? In what
way would that make sense? Why even say such a thing?"
Unable to advance his own point if view, Krygowski resorts to his
usual dishonest tactic of trying to shift the argument to his
opponent.
have done so by answering my questions. Instead, you've deflected and
refused to answer my questions.
What would be a reason I, or anyone else should answer your questions?
was perfectly logical and wise! It would be a way for you to defend the
your hero.
But you can't answer the questions, because your hero spewed nonsense,
as he routinely does.
On 5/19/2025 8:07 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/19/2025 5:34 PM, zen cycle wrote:
As noted, trump floated the idea of 'disinfectant' injections. The
claim "Mr Trump never said any such thing about bleach, not even
remotely or obliquely." is patently false.
See what you like between the lines of the transcript but although
bleach can be a disinfectant (depending on concentration etc) not all
disinfectants are chlorine bleach.
He asked, as a follow up to the expert's reference to disinfectants,
if we might pursue that, asking "Is there a way we can do something
like that, by injection inside ...?" and "It would be interesting to
check that."
Those are logical questions, not a command, exhortation or medical
advice.
Your definition of "logical" is much different than mine!
Again, he was apparently inspired by information that wiping
disinfectant on a hard surface kills covid virus particles sitting there.
How does anyone who's passed half of a biology course think that should inspire even a question about injecting a disinfectant _into_ one's body?
On 5/20/2025 11:36 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:14:27 -0400, Frank Krygowskiwas perfectly logical and wise!
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 7:41 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 22:11:45 -0400, Frank KrygowskiIf there were a reasonable way to defend Trump's statements, you would
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"I suppose it's nice to hear details about the timeline, but you
haven't answered my questions. What type of disinfectant was he
thinking about injecting into the body? And by what method? In what
way would that make sense? Why even say such a thing?"
Unable to advance his own point if view, Krygowski resorts to his
usual dishonest tactic of trying to shift the argument to his
opponent.
have done so by answering my questions. Instead, you've deflected and
refused to answer my questions.
What would be a reason I, or anyone else should answer your questions? >Obviously, the reason to answer would be to prove that what Trump said
It would be a way for you to defend the
your hero.
But you can't answer the questions, because your hero spewed nonsense,
as he routinely does.
On 5/20/2025 11:36 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:14:27 -0400, Frank KrygowskiObviously, the reason to answer would be to prove that what
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 7:41 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 22:11:45 -0400, Frank KrygowskiIf there were a reasonable way to defend Trump's
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"I suppose it's nice to hear details about the timeline,
but you
haven't answered my questions. What type of disinfectant
was he
thinking about injecting into the body? And by what
method? In what
way would that make sense? Why even say such a thing?"
Unable to advance his own point if view, Krygowski
resorts to his
usual dishonest tactic of trying to shift the argument
to his
opponent.
statements, you would
have done so by answering my questions. Instead, you've
deflected and
refused to answer my questions.
What would be a reason I, or anyone else should answer
your questions?
Trump said was perfectly logical and wise! It would be a way
for you to defend the your hero.
But you can't answer the questions, because your hero spewed
nonsense, as he routinely does.
On 5/20/2025 11:40 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/20/2025 11:36 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:14:27 -0400, Frank KrygowskiObviously, the reason to answer would be to prove that what Trump said
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 7:41 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 22:11:45 -0400, Frank KrygowskiIf there were a reasonable way to defend Trump's statements, you would >>>> have done so by answering my questions. Instead, you've deflected and
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"I suppose it's nice to hear details about the timeline, but you
haven't answered my questions. What type of disinfectant was he
thinking about injecting into the body? And by what method? In what
way would that make sense? Why even say such a thing?"
Unable to advance his own point if view, Krygowski resorts to his
usual dishonest tactic of trying to shift the argument to his
opponent.
refused to answer my questions.
What would be a reason I, or anyone else should answer your questions?
was perfectly logical and wise! It would be a way for you to defend the
your hero.
But you can't answer the questions, because your hero spewed nonsense,
as he routinely does.
And the dumbass _still_ doesn't get the point of a discussion group.
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:40:54 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 11:36 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:14:27 -0400, Frank KrygowskiObviously, the reason to answer would be to prove that what Trump said
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 7:41 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 22:11:45 -0400, Frank KrygowskiIf there were a reasonable way to defend Trump's statements, you would >>>> have done so by answering my questions. Instead, you've deflected and
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"I suppose it's nice to hear details about the timeline, but you
haven't answered my questions. What type of disinfectant was he
thinking about injecting into the body? And by what method? In what
way would that make sense? Why even say such a thing?"
Unable to advance his own point if view, Krygowski resorts to his
usual dishonest tactic of trying to shift the argument to his
opponent.
refused to answer my questions.
What would be a reason I, or anyone else should answer your questions?
was perfectly logical and wise!
Prove to whom? You? Do you really believe I care what you think?
It would be a way for you to defend the
your hero.
Defend against what?
But you can't answer the questions, because your hero spewed nonsense,
as he routinely does.
My only heros are my relatives.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Tue, 20 May 2025 12:40:46 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 12:12 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:40:54 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 11:36 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:14:27 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 7:41 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 22:11:45 -0400, Frank KrygowskiIf there were a reasonable way to defend Trump's statements, you would >>>>>> have done so by answering my questions. Instead, you've deflected and >>>>>> refused to answer my questions.
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"I suppose it's nice to hear details about the timeline, but you >>>>>>> haven't answered my questions. What type of disinfectant was he
thinking about injecting into the body? And by what method? In what >>>>>>> way would that make sense? Why even say such a thing?"
Unable to advance his own point if view, Krygowski resorts to his >>>>>>> usual dishonest tactic of trying to shift the argument to his
opponent.
What would be a reason I, or anyone else should answer your questions? >>>> Obviously, the reason to answer would be to prove that what Trump said >>>> was perfectly logical and wise!
Prove to whom? You? Do you really believe I care what you think?
It would be a way for you to defend the
your hero.
Defend against what?
But you can't answer the questions, because your hero spewed nonsense, >>>> as he routinely does.
My only heros are my relatives.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I'd say the Stoic Zeno.
When sentenced to have his tongue cut out, he bit it off
himself and spit it at the king.
Anyone who spits at a King has my respect.
On 5/20/2025 12:12 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:40:54 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 11:36 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:14:27 -0400, Frank KrygowskiObviously, the reason to answer would be to prove that what Trump said
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 7:41 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 22:11:45 -0400, Frank KrygowskiIf there were a reasonable way to defend Trump's statements, you would >>>>> have done so by answering my questions. Instead, you've deflected and >>>>> refused to answer my questions.
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"I suppose it's nice to hear details about the timeline, but you
haven't answered my questions. What type of disinfectant was he
thinking about injecting into the body? And by what method? In what >>>>>> way would that make sense? Why even say such a thing?"
Unable to advance his own point if view, Krygowski resorts to his
usual dishonest tactic of trying to shift the argument to his
opponent.
What would be a reason I, or anyone else should answer your questions?
was perfectly logical and wise!
Prove to whom? You? Do you really believe I care what you think?
It would be a way for you to defend the
your hero.
Defend against what?
But you can't answer the questions, because your hero spewed nonsense,
as he routinely does.
My only heros are my relatives.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I'd say the Stoic Zeno.
When sentenced to have his tongue cut out, he bit it off
himself and spit it at the king.
On Tue, 20 May 2025 13:46:39 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 12:40:46 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 12:12 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:40:54 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 11:36 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:14:27 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 7:41 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 22:11:45 -0400, Frank KrygowskiIf there were a reasonable way to defend Trump's statements, you would >>>>>>> have done so by answering my questions. Instead, you've deflected and >>>>>>> refused to answer my questions.
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"I suppose it's nice to hear details about the timeline, but you >>>>>>>> haven't answered my questions. What type of disinfectant was he >>>>>>>> thinking about injecting into the body? And by what method? In what >>>>>>>> way would that make sense? Why even say such a thing?"
Unable to advance his own point if view, Krygowski resorts to his >>>>>>>> usual dishonest tactic of trying to shift the argument to his
opponent.
What would be a reason I, or anyone else should answer your questions? >>>>> Obviously, the reason to answer would be to prove that what Trump said >>>>> was perfectly logical and wise!
Prove to whom? You? Do you really believe I care what you think?
It would be a way for you to defend the
your hero.
Defend against what?
But you can't answer the questions, because your hero spewed nonsense, >>>>> as he routinely does.
My only heros are my relatives.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I'd say the Stoic Zeno.
When sentenced to have his tongue cut out, he bit it off
himself and spit it at the king.
Anyone who spits at a King has my respect.
FWIW, I never heard of stoicism, but after reading about it, I approve
of it.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 5/20/2025 1:00 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 13:46:39 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 12:40:46 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 12:12 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:40:54 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 11:36 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:14:27 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 7:41 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 22:11:45 -0400, Frank KrygowskiIf there were a reasonable way to defend Trump's statements, you would >>>>>>>> have done so by answering my questions. Instead, you've deflected and >>>>>>>> refused to answer my questions.
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"I suppose it's nice to hear details about the timeline, but you >>>>>>>>> haven't answered my questions. What type of disinfectant was he >>>>>>>>> thinking about injecting into the body? And by what method? In what >>>>>>>>> way would that make sense? Why even say such a thing?"
Unable to advance his own point if view, Krygowski resorts to his >>>>>>>>> usual dishonest tactic of trying to shift the argument to his >>>>>>>>> opponent.
What would be a reason I, or anyone else should answer your questions? >>>>>> Obviously, the reason to answer would be to prove that what Trump said >>>>>> was perfectly logical and wise!
Prove to whom? You? Do you really believe I care what you think?
It would be a way for you to defend the
your hero.
Defend against what?
But you can't answer the questions, because your hero spewed nonsense, >>>>>> as he routinely does.
My only heros are my relatives.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I'd say the Stoic Zeno.
When sentenced to have his tongue cut out, he bit it off
himself and spit it at the king.
Anyone who spits at a King has my respect.
FWIW, I never heard of stoicism, but after reading about it, I approve
of it.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Short but well composed, a bit over one dollar:
https://www.alibris.com/Meditations-Marcus-Aurelius/book/10497297?matches=793
On 5/20/2025 2:00 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
FWIW, I never heard of stoicism ...
Wow. Just wow.
but after reading about it, I approve
of it.
You're happy to subject us to your uneducated opinions. But when others
state opinions, you're quick to mock them as being not worth your time.
I guess that's consistent with having low curiosity and no interest in >educating yourself.
On 5/20/2025 1:00 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 13:46:39 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 12:40:46 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 12:12 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:40:54 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 11:36 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:14:27 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 7:41 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 22:11:45 -0400, Frank KrygowskiIf there were a reasonable way to defend Trump's statements, you would >>>>>>>> have done so by answering my questions. Instead, you've deflected and >>>>>>>> refused to answer my questions.
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"I suppose it's nice to hear details about the timeline, but you >>>>>>>>> haven't answered my questions. What type of disinfectant was he >>>>>>>>> thinking about injecting into the body? And by what method? In what >>>>>>>>> way would that make sense? Why even say such a thing?"
Unable to advance his own point if view, Krygowski resorts to his >>>>>>>>> usual dishonest tactic of trying to shift the argument to his >>>>>>>>> opponent.
What would be a reason I, or anyone else should answer your questions? >>>>>> Obviously, the reason to answer would be to prove that what Trump said >>>>>> was perfectly logical and wise!
Prove to whom? You? Do you really believe I care what you think?
It would be a way for you to defend the
your hero.
Defend against what?
But you can't answer the questions, because your hero spewed nonsense, >>>>>> as he routinely does.
My only heros are my relatives.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I'd say the Stoic Zeno.
When sentenced to have his tongue cut out, he bit it off
himself and spit it at the king.
Anyone who spits at a King has my respect.
FWIW, I never heard of stoicism, but after reading about it, I approve
of it.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Short but well composed, a bit over one dollar:
https://www.alibris.com/Meditations-Marcus-Aurelius/book/10497297?matches=793
On Tue, 20 May 2025 13:24:49 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 1:00 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 13:46:39 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 12:40:46 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
On 5/20/2025 12:12 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:40:54 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 11:36 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:14:27 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 7:41 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 22:11:45 -0400, Frank KrygowskiIf there were a reasonable way to defend Trump's statements, you would
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"I suppose it's nice to hear details about the timeline, but you >>>>>>>>>> haven't answered my questions. What type of disinfectant was he >>>>>>>>>> thinking about injecting into the body? And by what method? In what >>>>>>>>>> way would that make sense? Why even say such a thing?"
Unable to advance his own point if view, Krygowski resorts to his >>>>>>>>>> usual dishonest tactic of trying to shift the argument to his >>>>>>>>>> opponent.
have done so by answering my questions. Instead, you've deflected and >>>>>>>>> refused to answer my questions.
What would be a reason I, or anyone else should answer your questions? >>>>>>> Obviously, the reason to answer would be to prove that what Trump said >>>>>>> was perfectly logical and wise!
Prove to whom? You? Do you really believe I care what you think? >>>>>>
It would be a way for you to defend the
your hero.
Defend against what?
But you can't answer the questions, because your hero spewed nonsense, >>>>>>> as he routinely does.
My only heros are my relatives.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I'd say the Stoic Zeno.
When sentenced to have his tongue cut out, he bit it off
himself and spit it at the king.
Anyone who spits at a King has my respect.
FWIW, I never heard of stoicism, but after reading about it, I approve
of it.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Short but well composed, a bit over one dollar:
https://www.alibris.com/Meditations-Marcus-Aurelius/book/10497297?matches=793
I read quite a bit of it last night during my early to bed reading
time. I didn't come across anything I found fault with. Reading what
he wrote for his own enlightenment is more palatable than lectures.
Of particular interest is ignoring slanderous insults. I've never
understood how and why so many people let other people's opinions of
them influence how they feel about themselves.
The suggestion that thinking and reasoning for yourself is more
important than other people's opinions is near and dear to my heart.
It's fine when someone says, "here's my opinion...," but I'm generally
not interested in their arguments about why they believe it's true. If
I'm interested, I'll evaluate it for myself.
I'll read some more tonight, but it's going slow because we have
guests in our home for the next week or so.
On Wed, 21 May 2025 05:09:12 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 13:24:49 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 1:00 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 13:46:39 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 12:40:46 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
On 5/20/2025 12:12 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:40:54 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 11:36 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:14:27 -0400, Frank KrygowskiObviously, the reason to answer would be to prove that what Trump said >>>>>>>> was perfectly logical and wise!
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 7:41 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 22:11:45 -0400, Frank KrygowskiIf there were a reasonable way to defend Trump's statements, you would
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"I suppose it's nice to hear details about the timeline, but you >>>>>>>>>>> haven't answered my questions. What type of disinfectant was he >>>>>>>>>>> thinking about injecting into the body? And by what method? In what >>>>>>>>>>> way would that make sense? Why even say such a thing?"
Unable to advance his own point if view, Krygowski resorts to his >>>>>>>>>>> usual dishonest tactic of trying to shift the argument to his >>>>>>>>>>> opponent.
have done so by answering my questions. Instead, you've deflected and
refused to answer my questions.
What would be a reason I, or anyone else should answer your questions?
Prove to whom? You? Do you really believe I care what you think? >>>>>>>
It would be a way for you to defend the
your hero.
Defend against what?
But you can't answer the questions, because your hero spewed nonsense, >>>>>>>> as he routinely does.
My only heros are my relatives.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I'd say the Stoic Zeno.
When sentenced to have his tongue cut out, he bit it off
himself and spit it at the king.
Anyone who spits at a King has my respect.
FWIW, I never heard of stoicism, but after reading about it, I approve >>>> of it.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Short but well composed, a bit over one dollar:
https://www.alibris.com/Meditations-Marcus-Aurelius/book/10497297?matches=793
I read quite a bit of it last night during my early to bed reading
time. I didn't come across anything I found fault with. Reading what
he wrote for his own enlightenment is more palatable than lectures.
Of particular interest is ignoring slanderous insults. I've never >>understood how and why so many people let other people's opinions of
them influence how they feel about themselves.
The suggestion that thinking and reasoning for yourself is more
important than other people's opinions is near and dear to my heart.
It's fine when someone says, "here's my opinion...," but I'm generally
not interested in their arguments about why they believe it's true. If
I'm interested, I'll evaluate it for myself.
I'll read some more tonight, but it's going slow because we have
guests in our home for the next week or so.
I read more from the Meditations-Marcus-Aurelius book.
Given his outlook on life, it might have been difficult for him to be
a ruler with obligations to control the people.
I have a hard time understanding why some people have a need to
control other people. I see those people as parasites. Needing other
people to do your bidding in order to feel fulfilled is a weakness, in
my opinion.
On Wed, 21 May 2025 05:09:12 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 13:24:49 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 1:00 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 13:46:39 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 12:40:46 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
On 5/20/2025 12:12 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:40:54 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 11:36 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:14:27 -0400, Frank KrygowskiObviously, the reason to answer would be to prove that what Trump said >>>>>>>> was perfectly logical and wise!
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 7:41 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 22:11:45 -0400, Frank KrygowskiIf there were a reasonable way to defend Trump's statements, you would
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"I suppose it's nice to hear details about the timeline, but you >>>>>>>>>>> haven't answered my questions. What type of disinfectant was he >>>>>>>>>>> thinking about injecting into the body? And by what method? In what >>>>>>>>>>> way would that make sense? Why even say such a thing?"
Unable to advance his own point if view, Krygowski resorts to his >>>>>>>>>>> usual dishonest tactic of trying to shift the argument to his >>>>>>>>>>> opponent.
have done so by answering my questions. Instead, you've deflected and
refused to answer my questions.
What would be a reason I, or anyone else should answer your questions?
Prove to whom? You? Do you really believe I care what you think? >>>>>>>
It would be a way for you to defend the
your hero.
Defend against what?
But you can't answer the questions, because your hero spewed nonsense, >>>>>>>> as he routinely does.
My only heros are my relatives.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I'd say the Stoic Zeno.
When sentenced to have his tongue cut out, he bit it off
himself and spit it at the king.
Anyone who spits at a King has my respect.
FWIW, I never heard of stoicism, but after reading about it, I approve >>>> of it.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Short but well composed, a bit over one dollar:
https://www.alibris.com/Meditations-Marcus-Aurelius/book/10497297?matches=793
I read quite a bit of it last night during my early to bed reading
time. I didn't come across anything I found fault with. Reading what
he wrote for his own enlightenment is more palatable than lectures.
Of particular interest is ignoring slanderous insults. I've never
understood how and why so many people let other people's opinions of
them influence how they feel about themselves.
The suggestion that thinking and reasoning for yourself is more
important than other people's opinions is near and dear to my heart.
It's fine when someone says, "here's my opinion...," but I'm generally
not interested in their arguments about why they believe it's true. If
I'm interested, I'll evaluate it for myself.
I'll read some more tonight, but it's going slow because we have
guests in our home for the next week or so.
I read more from the Meditations-Marcus-Aurelius book.
Given his outlook on life, it might have been difficult for him to be
a ruler with obligations to control the people.
I have a hard time understanding why some people have a need to
control other people. I see those people as parasites. Needing other
people to do your bidding in order to feel fulfilled is a weakness, in
my opinion.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Thu, 22 May 2025 08:17:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/22/2025 4:00 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2025 05:09:12 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 13:24:49 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
On 5/20/2025 1:00 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 13:46:39 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 12:40:46 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 5/20/2025 12:12 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:40:54 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 11:36 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:14:27 -0400, Frank KrygowskiObviously, the reason to answer would be to prove that what Trump said
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 7:41 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 22:11:45 -0400, Frank KrygowskiIf there were a reasonable way to defend Trump's statements, you would
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"I suppose it's nice to hear details about the timeline, but you >>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't answered my questions. What type of disinfectant was he >>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking about injecting into the body? And by what method? In what
way would that make sense? Why even say such a thing?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Unable to advance his own point if view, Krygowski resorts to his >>>>>>>>>>>>> usual dishonest tactic of trying to shift the argument to his >>>>>>>>>>>>> opponent.
have done so by answering my questions. Instead, you've deflected and
refused to answer my questions.
What would be a reason I, or anyone else should answer your questions?
was perfectly logical and wise!
Prove to whom? You? Do you really believe I care what you think? >>>>>>>>>
It would be a way for you to defend the
your hero.
Defend against what?
But you can't answer the questions, because your hero spewed nonsense,
as he routinely does.
My only heros are my relatives.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I'd say the Stoic Zeno.
When sentenced to have his tongue cut out, he bit it off
himself and spit it at the king.
Anyone who spits at a King has my respect.
FWIW, I never heard of stoicism, but after reading about it, I approve >>>>>> of it.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Short but well composed, a bit over one dollar:
https://www.alibris.com/Meditations-Marcus-Aurelius/book/10497297?matches=793
I read quite a bit of it last night during my early to bed reading
time. I didn't come across anything I found fault with. Reading what
he wrote for his own enlightenment is more palatable than lectures.
Of particular interest is ignoring slanderous insults. I've never
understood how and why so many people let other people's opinions of
them influence how they feel about themselves.
The suggestion that thinking and reasoning for yourself is more
important than other people's opinions is near and dear to my heart.
It's fine when someone says, "here's my opinion...," but I'm generally >>>> not interested in their arguments about why they believe it's true. If >>>> I'm interested, I'll evaluate it for myself.
I'll read some more tonight, but it's going slow because we have
guests in our home for the next week or so.
I read more from the Meditations-Marcus-Aurelius book.
Given his outlook on life, it might have been difficult for him to be
a ruler with obligations to control the people.
I have a hard time understanding why some people have a need to
control other people. I see those people as parasites. Needing other
people to do your bidding in order to feel fulfilled is a weakness, in
my opinion.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Not the only son imperfectly suited to take over the family
business.
I notice that in the early meditations, he was all about
individuality, and then, gradually, he became a slave to the
community's needs.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 5/22/2025 4:00 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2025 05:09:12 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 13:24:49 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 1:00 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 13:46:39 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 12:40:46 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>
On 5/20/2025 12:12 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:40:54 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 11:36 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:14:27 -0400, Frank KrygowskiObviously, the reason to answer would be to prove that what Trump said
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 7:41 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 22:11:45 -0400, Frank KrygowskiIf there were a reasonable way to defend Trump's statements, you would
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"I suppose it's nice to hear details about the timeline, but you >>>>>>>>>>>> haven't answered my questions. What type of disinfectant was he >>>>>>>>>>>> thinking about injecting into the body? And by what method? In what
way would that make sense? Why even say such a thing?" >>>>>>>>>>>>
Unable to advance his own point if view, Krygowski resorts to his >>>>>>>>>>>> usual dishonest tactic of trying to shift the argument to his >>>>>>>>>>>> opponent.
have done so by answering my questions. Instead, you've deflected and
refused to answer my questions.
What would be a reason I, or anyone else should answer your questions?
was perfectly logical and wise!
Prove to whom? You? Do you really believe I care what you think? >>>>>>>>
It would be a way for you to defend the
your hero.
Defend against what?
But you can't answer the questions, because your hero spewed nonsense,
as he routinely does.
My only heros are my relatives.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I'd say the Stoic Zeno.
When sentenced to have his tongue cut out, he bit it off
himself and spit it at the king.
Anyone who spits at a King has my respect.
FWIW, I never heard of stoicism, but after reading about it, I approve >>>>> of it.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Short but well composed, a bit over one dollar:
https://www.alibris.com/Meditations-Marcus-Aurelius/book/10497297?matches=793
I read quite a bit of it last night during my early to bed reading
time. I didn't come across anything I found fault with. Reading what
he wrote for his own enlightenment is more palatable than lectures.
Of particular interest is ignoring slanderous insults. I've never
understood how and why so many people let other people's opinions of
them influence how they feel about themselves.
The suggestion that thinking and reasoning for yourself is more
important than other people's opinions is near and dear to my heart.
It's fine when someone says, "here's my opinion...," but I'm generally
not interested in their arguments about why they believe it's true. If
I'm interested, I'll evaluate it for myself.
I'll read some more tonight, but it's going slow because we have
guests in our home for the next week or so.
I read more from the Meditations-Marcus-Aurelius book.
Given his outlook on life, it might have been difficult for him to be
a ruler with obligations to control the people.
I have a hard time understanding why some people have a need to
control other people. I see those people as parasites. Needing other
people to do your bidding in order to feel fulfilled is a weakness, in
my opinion.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Not the only son imperfectly suited to take over the family
business.
On 5/22/2025 11:48 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 22 May 2025 08:17:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/22/2025 4:00 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2025 05:09:12 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 13:24:49 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
On 5/20/2025 1:00 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 13:46:39 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 12:40:46 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On 5/20/2025 12:12 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:40:54 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 11:36 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 11:14:27 -0400, Frank KrygowskiObviously, the reason to answer would be to prove that what Trump said
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 7:41 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 22:11:45 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:If there were a reasonable way to defend Trump's statements, you would
"I suppose it's nice to hear details about the timeline, but you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't answered my questions. What type of disinfectant was he >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking about injecting into the body? And by what method? In what
way would that make sense? Why even say such a thing?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Unable to advance his own point if view, Krygowski resorts to his
usual dishonest tactic of trying to shift the argument to his >>>>>>>>>>>>>> opponent.
have done so by answering my questions. Instead, you've deflected and
refused to answer my questions.
What would be a reason I, or anyone else should answer your questions?
was perfectly logical and wise!
Prove to whom? You? Do you really believe I care what you think? >>>>>>>>>>
It would be a way for you to defend the
your hero.
Defend against what?
But you can't answer the questions, because your hero spewed nonsense,
as he routinely does.
My only heros are my relatives.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I'd say the Stoic Zeno.
When sentenced to have his tongue cut out, he bit it off
himself and spit it at the king.
Anyone who spits at a King has my respect.
FWIW, I never heard of stoicism, but after reading about it, I approve >>>>>>> of it.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Short but well composed, a bit over one dollar:
https://www.alibris.com/Meditations-Marcus-Aurelius/book/10497297?matches=793
I read quite a bit of it last night during my early to bed reading
time. I didn't come across anything I found fault with. Reading what >>>>> he wrote for his own enlightenment is more palatable than lectures.
Of particular interest is ignoring slanderous insults. I've never
understood how and why so many people let other people's opinions of >>>>> them influence how they feel about themselves.
The suggestion that thinking and reasoning for yourself is more
important than other people's opinions is near and dear to my heart. >>>>>
It's fine when someone says, "here's my opinion...," but I'm generally >>>>> not interested in their arguments about why they believe it's true. If >>>>> I'm interested, I'll evaluate it for myself.
I'll read some more tonight, but it's going slow because we have
guests in our home for the next week or so.
I read more from the Meditations-Marcus-Aurelius book.
Given his outlook on life, it might have been difficult for him to be
a ruler with obligations to control the people.
I have a hard time understanding why some people have a need to
control other people. I see those people as parasites. Needing other
people to do your bidding in order to feel fulfilled is a weakness, in >>>> my opinion.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Not the only son imperfectly suited to take over the family
business.
I notice that in the early meditations, he was all about
individuality, and then, gradually, he became a slave to the
community's needs.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
'Heavy is the head that wears the crown', and all that.
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