On 6/24/2025 4:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/our-handlebars-are-not-uci-compliant-
and-we-dont-care/
I just measured mine on my ~40 year old touring bike and my 53 year old utility bike. Neither meet current UCI standards.
I've long noticed that I slightly outcoast almost everyone in our club
when riding the brake hoods, and I'm far from the heaviest. That's even without using my aerobar, which gives a further huge benefit. Maybe my (slightly) narrow handlebars (~38 cm?) are a partial explanation.
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/24/2025 4:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/our-handlebars-are-not-uci-compliant-
and-we-dont-care/
I just measured mine on my ~40 year old touring bike and my 53 year old
utility bike. Neither meet current UCI standards.
I've long noticed that I slightly outcoast almost everyone in our club
when riding the brake hoods, and I'm far from the heaviest. That's even
without using my aerobar, which gives a further huge benefit. Maybe my
(slightly) narrow handlebars (~38 cm?) are a partial explanation.
I believe they give a marginal advantage, but I’d suggest body position and clothing would have greater impact.
Roger Merriman
On 6/25/2025 10:17 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/25/2025 7:23 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/24/2025 4:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/our-handlebars-are-not-
uci-compliant-
and-we-dont-care/
I just measured mine on my ~40 year old touring bike and
my 53 year old
utility bike. Neither meet current UCI standards.
I've long noticed that I slightly outcoast almost
everyone in our club
when riding the brake hoods, and I'm far from the
heaviest. That's even
without using my aerobar, which gives a further huge
benefit. Maybe my
(slightly) narrow handlebars (~38 cm?) are a partial
explanation.
I believe they give a marginal advantage, but I’d suggest
body position and
clothing would have greater impact.
Roger Merriman
For us mortals that's correct. In the professional world
where milliseconds or single 100ths of CdA count, it can
make the difference between a win and _not_ a win.
Frank is likely in a more aerodynamic position - even
though others may _appear_ to be in the same position.
Nuances count more at higher speeds.
I may be in a slightly more aero position, simply because I
pay attention to that factor. When coasting even on the
hoods, I pull my elbows and knees inward a bit. I also try
to avoid loose flappy clothing.
I think some of my advantage is due to my large, self-built
handlebar bag. I took some pains to give it a vaguely aero
shape, as opposed to the typical rectangular box with sharp
edges. But ISTR some data claiming even a boxy front bag can
aid aerodynamics by shielding parts of the rider's body.
Old photo from a tour: <https:// live.staticflickr.com/65535/51802231601_a577378af4_c.jpg>
I also like the old Tailwind panniers, for the same reason.
On 6/25/2025 12:00 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/25/2025 10:17 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/25/2025 7:23 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/24/2025 4:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/our-handlebars-are-not-
uci-compliant-
and-we-dont-care/
I just measured mine on my ~40 year old touring bike and
my 53 year old
utility bike. Neither meet current UCI standards.
I've long noticed that I slightly outcoast almost
everyone in our club
when riding the brake hoods, and I'm far from the
heaviest. That's even
without using my aerobar, which gives a further huge
benefit. Maybe my
(slightly) narrow handlebars (~38 cm?) are a partial
explanation.
I believe they give a marginal advantage, but I’d suggest
body position and
clothing would have greater impact.
Roger Merriman
For us mortals that's correct. In the professional world
where milliseconds or single 100ths of CdA count, it can
make the difference between a win and _not_ a win.
Frank is likely in a more aerodynamic position - even
though others may _appear_ to be in the same position.
Nuances count more at higher speeds.
I may be in a slightly more aero position, simply because I
pay attention to that factor. When coasting even on the
hoods, I pull my elbows and knees inward a bit. I also try
to avoid loose flappy clothing.
I think some of my advantage is due to my large, self-built
handlebar bag. I took some pains to give it a vaguely aero
shape, as opposed to the typical rectangular box with sharp
edges. But ISTR some data claiming even a boxy front bag can
aid aerodynamics by shielding parts of the rider's body.
Old photo from a tour: <https://
live.staticflickr.com/65535/51802231601_a577378af4_c.jpg>
I also like the old Tailwind panniers, for the same reason.
Further discussion this afternoon:
https://bikerumor.com/uci-clairfies-bar-width-rules-road-cycling/
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 17:13:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 6/25/2025 12:00 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/25/2025 10:17 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/25/2025 7:23 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/24/2025 4:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/our-handlebars-are-not-
uci-compliant-
and-we-dont-care/
I just measured mine on my ~40 year old touring bike and
my 53 year old
utility bike. Neither meet current UCI standards.
I've long noticed that I slightly outcoast almost
everyone in our club
when riding the brake hoods, and I'm far from the
heaviest. That's even
without using my aerobar, which gives a further huge
benefit. Maybe my
(slightly) narrow handlebars (~38 cm?) are a partial
explanation.
I believe they give a marginal advantage, but IÂ’d suggest
body position and
clothing would have greater impact.
Roger Merriman
For us mortals that's correct. In the professional world
where milliseconds or single 100ths of CdA count, it can
make the difference between a win and _not_ a win.
Frank is likely in a more aerodynamic position - even
though others may _appear_ to be in the same position.
Nuances count more at higher speeds.
I may be in a slightly more aero position, simply because I
pay attention to that factor. When coasting even on the
hoods, I pull my elbows and knees inward a bit. I also try
to avoid loose flappy clothing.
I think some of my advantage is due to my large, self-built
handlebar bag. I took some pains to give it a vaguely aero
shape, as opposed to the typical rectangular box with sharp
edges. But ISTR some data claiming even a boxy front bag can
aid aerodynamics by shielding parts of the rider's body.
Old photo from a tour: <https://
live.staticflickr.com/65535/51802231601_a577378af4_c.jpg>
I also like the old Tailwind panniers, for the same reason.
Further discussion this afternoon:
https://bikerumor.com/uci-clairfies-bar-width-rules-road-cycling/
I don't understand the statement:
"Unfortunately, that isnÂ’t something that will just affect the professionals; it will soon trickle down to you too."
Does the UCI dictate what manufacturers can make and sell?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 17:13:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 6/25/2025 12:00 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/25/2025 10:17 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/25/2025 7:23 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/24/2025 4:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/our-handlebars-are-not-
uci-compliant-
and-we-dont-care/
I just measured mine on my ~40 year old touring bike and
my 53 year old
utility bike. Neither meet current UCI standards.
I've long noticed that I slightly outcoast almost
everyone in our club
when riding the brake hoods, and I'm far from the
heaviest. That's even
without using my aerobar, which gives a further huge
benefit. Maybe my
(slightly) narrow handlebars (~38 cm?) are a partial
explanation.
I believe they give a marginal advantage, but I?d suggest
body position and
clothing would have greater impact.
Roger Merriman
For us mortals that's correct. In the professional world
where milliseconds or single 100ths of CdA count, it can
make the difference between a win and _not_ a win.
Frank is likely in a more aerodynamic position - even
though others may _appear_ to be in the same position.
Nuances count more at higher speeds.
I may be in a slightly more aero position, simply because I
pay attention to that factor. When coasting even on the
hoods, I pull my elbows and knees inward a bit. I also try
to avoid loose flappy clothing.
I think some of my advantage is due to my large, self-built
handlebar bag. I took some pains to give it a vaguely aero
shape, as opposed to the typical rectangular box with sharp
edges. But ISTR some data claiming even a boxy front bag can
aid aerodynamics by shielding parts of the rider's body.
Old photo from a tour: <https://
live.staticflickr.com/65535/51802231601_a577378af4_c.jpg>
I also like the old Tailwind panniers, for the same reason.
Further discussion this afternoon:
https://bikerumor.com/uci-clairfies-bar-width-rules-road-cycling/
I don't understand the statement:
"Unfortunately, that isn?t something that will just affect the
professionals; it will soon trickle down to you too."
Does the UCI dictate what manufacturers can make and sell?
No but number of manufacturers will keep to the UCI rules, as some will be >raced and all that.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 17:13:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 6/25/2025 12:00 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/25/2025 10:17 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/25/2025 7:23 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/24/2025 4:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/our-handlebars-are-not-
uci-compliant-
and-we-dont-care/
I just measured mine on my ~40 year old touring bike and
my 53 year old
utility bike. Neither meet current UCI standards.
I've long noticed that I slightly outcoast almost
everyone in our club
when riding the brake hoods, and I'm far from the
heaviest. That's even
without using my aerobar, which gives a further huge
benefit. Maybe my
(slightly) narrow handlebars (~38 cm?) are a partial
explanation.
I believe they give a marginal advantage, but I’d suggest
body position and
clothing would have greater impact.
Roger Merriman
For us mortals that's correct. In the professional world
where milliseconds or single 100ths of CdA count, it can
make the difference between a win and _not_ a win.
Frank is likely in a more aerodynamic position - even
though others may _appear_ to be in the same position.
Nuances count more at higher speeds.
I may be in a slightly more aero position, simply because I
pay attention to that factor. When coasting even on the
hoods, I pull my elbows and knees inward a bit. I also try
to avoid loose flappy clothing.
I think some of my advantage is due to my large, self-built
handlebar bag. I took some pains to give it a vaguely aero
shape, as opposed to the typical rectangular box with sharp
edges. But ISTR some data claiming even a boxy front bag can
aid aerodynamics by shielding parts of the rider's body.
Old photo from a tour: <https://
live.staticflickr.com/65535/51802231601_a577378af4_c.jpg>
I also like the old Tailwind panniers, for the same reason.
Further discussion this afternoon:
https://bikerumor.com/uci-clairfies-bar-width-rules-road-cycling/
I don't understand the statement:
"Unfortunately, that isn’t something that will just affect the professionals; it will soon trickle down to you too."
Does the UCI dictate what manufacturers can make and sell?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 6/26/2025 6:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/25/2025 12:00 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/25/2025 10:17 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/25/2025 7:23 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/24/2025 4:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/our-handlebars-are-
not- uci- compliant-
and-we-dont-care/
I just measured mine on my ~40 year old touring bike
and my 53 year old
utility bike. Neither meet current UCI standards.
I've long noticed that I slightly outcoast almost
everyone in our club
when riding the brake hoods, and I'm far from the
heaviest. That's even
without using my aerobar, which gives a further huge
benefit. Maybe my
(slightly) narrow handlebars (~38 cm?) are a partial
explanation.
I believe they give a marginal advantage, but I’d
suggest body position and
clothing would have greater impact.
Roger Merriman
For us mortals that's correct. In the professional world
where milliseconds or single 100ths of CdA count, it can
make the difference between a win and _not_ a win.
Frank is likely in a more aerodynamic position - even
though others may _appear_ to be in the same position.
Nuances count more at higher speeds.
I may be in a slightly more aero position, simply because
I pay attention to that factor. When coasting even on the
hoods, I pull my elbows and knees inward a bit. I also
try to avoid loose flappy clothing.
I think some of my advantage is due to my large, self-
built handlebar bag. I took some pains to give it a
vaguely aero shape, as opposed to the typical rectangular
box with sharp edges. But ISTR some data claiming even a
boxy front bag can aid aerodynamics by shielding parts of
the rider's body.
Old photo from a tour: <https://
live.staticflickr.com/65535/51802231601_a577378af4_c.jpg>
I also like the old Tailwind panniers, for the same reason.
Further discussion this afternoon:
https://bikerumor.com/uci-clairfies-bar-width-rules-road-
cycling/
The new rules seem nuts to me. Seems like penalizing small
riders, especially women, so the big guys are not too
aerodynamic.
BTW, narrow handlebars make me think about this point within
this video:
<https://youtu.be/Vn29DvMITu4?list=RDVn29DvMITu4&t=76>
And it's a bit amazing how the market has changed since that
was made. I mean, spending $5000 on a bike?
On 6/26/2025 6:45 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 17:13:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 6/25/2025 12:00 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/25/2025 10:17 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/25/2025 7:23 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/24/2025 4:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/our-handlebars-are-not-
uci-compliant-
and-we-dont-care/
I just measured mine on my ~40 year old touring bike and
my 53 year old
utility bike. Neither meet current UCI standards.
I've long noticed that I slightly outcoast almost
everyone in our club
when riding the brake hoods, and I'm far from the
heaviest. That's even
without using my aerobar, which gives a further huge
benefit. Maybe my
(slightly) narrow handlebars (~38 cm?) are a partial
explanation.
I believe they give a marginal advantage, but I’d suggest
body position and
clothing would have greater impact.
Roger Merriman
For us mortals that's correct. In the professional world
where milliseconds or single 100ths of CdA count, it can
make the difference between a win and _not_ a win.
Frank is likely in a more aerodynamic position - even
though others may _appear_ to be in the same position.
Nuances count more at higher speeds.
I may be in a slightly more aero position, simply because I
pay attention to that factor. When coasting even on the
hoods, I pull my elbows and knees inward a bit. I also try
to avoid loose flappy clothing.
I think some of my advantage is due to my large, self-built
handlebar bag. I took some pains to give it a vaguely aero
shape, as opposed to the typical rectangular box with sharp
edges. But ISTR some data claiming even a boxy front bag can
aid aerodynamics by shielding parts of the rider's body.
Old photo from a tour: <https://
live.staticflickr.com/65535/51802231601_a577378af4_c.jpg>
I also like the old Tailwind panniers, for the same reason.
Further discussion this afternoon:
https://bikerumor.com/uci-clairfies-bar-width-rules-road-cycling/
I don't understand the statement:
"Unfortunately, that isn’t something that will just affect the
professionals; it will soon trickle down to you too."
Does the UCI dictate what manufacturers can make and sell?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Not directly.
But bike makers and more importantly parts makers make what
sells in efficient production volume. Chop off 50% of a
small market item and product selection changes fast.
On 26 Jun 2025 23:55:57 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 17:13:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 6/25/2025 12:00 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/25/2025 10:17 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/25/2025 7:23 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/24/2025 4:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/our-handlebars-are-not-
uci-compliant-
and-we-dont-care/
I just measured mine on my ~40 year old touring bike and
my 53 year old
utility bike. Neither meet current UCI standards.
I've long noticed that I slightly outcoast almost
everyone in our club
when riding the brake hoods, and I'm far from the
heaviest. That's even
without using my aerobar, which gives a further huge
benefit. Maybe my
(slightly) narrow handlebars (~38 cm?) are a partial
explanation.
I believe they give a marginal advantage, but I?d suggest
body position and
clothing would have greater impact.
Roger Merriman
For us mortals that's correct. In the professional world
where milliseconds or single 100ths of CdA count, it can
make the difference between a win and _not_ a win.
Frank is likely in a more aerodynamic position - even
though others may _appear_ to be in the same position.
Nuances count more at higher speeds.
I may be in a slightly more aero position, simply because I
pay attention to that factor. When coasting even on the
hoods, I pull my elbows and knees inward a bit. I also try
to avoid loose flappy clothing.
I think some of my advantage is due to my large, self-built
handlebar bag. I took some pains to give it a vaguely aero
shape, as opposed to the typical rectangular box with sharp
edges. But ISTR some data claiming even a boxy front bag can
aid aerodynamics by shielding parts of the rider's body.
Old photo from a tour: <https://
live.staticflickr.com/65535/51802231601_a577378af4_c.jpg>
I also like the old Tailwind panniers, for the same reason.
Further discussion this afternoon:
https://bikerumor.com/uci-clairfies-bar-width-rules-road-cycling/
I don't understand the statement:
"Unfortunately, that isn?t something that will just affect the
professionals; it will soon trickle down to you too."
Does the UCI dictate what manufacturers can make and sell?
No but number of manufacturers will keep to the UCI rules, as some will be >> raced and all that.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
It seems to me that a handlbar maker could make different lengths, and
if a new bike comes with longer bars than you want, it's awfully easy
to change them.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 20:01:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 6/26/2025 6:45 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 17:13:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 6/25/2025 12:00 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/25/2025 10:17 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/25/2025 7:23 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/24/2025 4:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/our-handlebars-are-not-
uci-compliant-
and-we-dont-care/
I just measured mine on my ~40 year old touring bike and
my 53 year old
utility bike. Neither meet current UCI standards.
I've long noticed that I slightly outcoast almost
everyone in our club
when riding the brake hoods, and I'm far from the
heaviest. That's even
without using my aerobar, which gives a further huge
benefit. Maybe my
(slightly) narrow handlebars (~38 cm?) are a partial
explanation.
I believe they give a marginal advantage, but I’d suggest
body position and
clothing would have greater impact.
Roger Merriman
For us mortals that's correct. In the professional world
where milliseconds or single 100ths of CdA count, it can
make the difference between a win and _not_ a win.
Frank is likely in a more aerodynamic position - even
though others may _appear_ to be in the same position.
Nuances count more at higher speeds.
I may be in a slightly more aero position, simply because I
pay attention to that factor. When coasting even on the
hoods, I pull my elbows and knees inward a bit. I also try
to avoid loose flappy clothing.
I think some of my advantage is due to my large, self-built
handlebar bag. I took some pains to give it a vaguely aero
shape, as opposed to the typical rectangular box with sharp
edges. But ISTR some data claiming even a boxy front bag can
aid aerodynamics by shielding parts of the rider's body.
Old photo from a tour: <https://
live.staticflickr.com/65535/51802231601_a577378af4_c.jpg>
I also like the old Tailwind panniers, for the same reason.
Further discussion this afternoon:
https://bikerumor.com/uci-clairfies-bar-width-rules-road-cycling/
I don't understand the statement:
"Unfortunately, that isn’t something that will just affect the
professionals; it will soon trickle down to you too."
Does the UCI dictate what manufacturers can make and sell?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Not directly.
But bike makers and more importantly parts makers make what
sells in efficient production volume. Chop off 50% of a
small market item and product selection changes fast.
Not being a bicycle racing fan, I never heard of the UCI until I
joined this forum and saw it mentioned here. I looked them up and they
seem like a bunch of dictatorial, nit-pickers. They even dictate what
kind of socks the racers can wear.
Of course, I don't like rules in general. I really dislike the people
who make them and don't understand the people who blindly obey them
On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 04:41:52 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 20:01:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 6/26/2025 6:45 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 17:13:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
On 6/25/2025 12:00 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/25/2025 10:17 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/25/2025 7:23 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/24/2025 4:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/our-handlebars-are-not-
uci-compliant-
and-we-dont-care/
I just measured mine on my ~40 year old touring bike and
my 53 year old
utility bike. Neither meet current UCI standards.
I've long noticed that I slightly outcoast almost
everyone in our club
when riding the brake hoods, and I'm far from the
heaviest. That's even
without using my aerobar, which gives a further huge
benefit. Maybe my
(slightly) narrow handlebars (~38 cm?) are a partial
explanation.
I believe they give a marginal advantage, but IÂ’d suggest
body position and
clothing would have greater impact.
Roger Merriman
For us mortals that's correct. In the professional world
where milliseconds or single 100ths of CdA count, it can
make the difference between a win and _not_ a win.
Frank is likely in a more aerodynamic position - even
though others may _appear_ to be in the same position.
Nuances count more at higher speeds.
I may be in a slightly more aero position, simply because I
pay attention to that factor. When coasting even on the
hoods, I pull my elbows and knees inward a bit. I also try
to avoid loose flappy clothing.
I think some of my advantage is due to my large, self-built
handlebar bag. I took some pains to give it a vaguely aero
shape, as opposed to the typical rectangular box with sharp
edges. But ISTR some data claiming even a boxy front bag can
aid aerodynamics by shielding parts of the rider's body.
Old photo from a tour: <https://
live.staticflickr.com/65535/51802231601_a577378af4_c.jpg>
I also like the old Tailwind panniers, for the same reason.
Further discussion this afternoon:
https://bikerumor.com/uci-clairfies-bar-width-rules-road-cycling/
I don't understand the statement:
"Unfortunately, that isnÂ’t something that will just affect the
professionals; it will soon trickle down to you too."
Does the UCI dictate what manufacturers can make and sell?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Not directly.
But bike makers and more importantly parts makers make what
sells in efficient production volume. Chop off 50% of a
small market item and product selection changes fast.
Not being a bicycle racing fan, I never heard of the UCI until I
joined this forum and saw it mentioned here. I looked them up and they
seem like a bunch of dictatorial, nit-pickers. They even dictate what
kind of socks the racers can wear.
Of course, I don't like rules in general. I really dislike the people
who make them and don't understand the people who blindly obey them
But all registry groups can be described as dictatorial. Why in pistol marksmanship competitions they even dictate the force needed to pull
the trigger :-)
--
cheers,
John B.
On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 04:41:52 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 20:01:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 6/26/2025 6:45 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 17:13:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
On 6/25/2025 12:00 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/25/2025 10:17 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/25/2025 7:23 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/24/2025 4:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/our-handlebars-are-not-
uci-compliant-
and-we-dont-care/
I just measured mine on my ~40 year old touring bike and
my 53 year old
utility bike. Neither meet current UCI standards.
I've long noticed that I slightly outcoast almost
everyone in our club
when riding the brake hoods, and I'm far from the
heaviest. That's even
without using my aerobar, which gives a further huge
benefit. Maybe my
(slightly) narrow handlebars (~38 cm?) are a partial
explanation.
I believe they give a marginal advantage, but I’d suggest
body position and
clothing would have greater impact.
Roger Merriman
For us mortals that's correct. In the professional world
where milliseconds or single 100ths of CdA count, it can
make the difference between a win and _not_ a win.
Frank is likely in a more aerodynamic position - even
though others may _appear_ to be in the same position.
Nuances count more at higher speeds.
I may be in a slightly more aero position, simply because I
pay attention to that factor. When coasting even on the
hoods, I pull my elbows and knees inward a bit. I also try
to avoid loose flappy clothing.
I think some of my advantage is due to my large, self-built
handlebar bag. I took some pains to give it a vaguely aero
shape, as opposed to the typical rectangular box with sharp
edges. But ISTR some data claiming even a boxy front bag can
aid aerodynamics by shielding parts of the rider's body.
Old photo from a tour: <https://
live.staticflickr.com/65535/51802231601_a577378af4_c.jpg>
I also like the old Tailwind panniers, for the same reason.
Further discussion this afternoon:
https://bikerumor.com/uci-clairfies-bar-width-rules-road-cycling/
I don't understand the statement:
"Unfortunately, that isn’t something that will just affect the
professionals; it will soon trickle down to you too."
Does the UCI dictate what manufacturers can make and sell?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Not directly.
But bike makers and more importantly parts makers make what
sells in efficient production volume. Chop off 50% of a
small market item and product selection changes fast.
Not being a bicycle racing fan, I never heard of the UCI until I
joined this forum and saw it mentioned here. I looked them up and they
seem like a bunch of dictatorial, nit-pickers. They even dictate what
kind of socks the racers can wear.
Of course, I don't like rules in general. I really dislike the people
who make them and don't understand the people who blindly obey them
But all registry groups can be described as dictatorial. Why in pistol marksmanship competitions they even dictate the force needed to pull
the trigger :-)
--
cheers,
John B.
On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 04:41:52 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 20:01:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 6/26/2025 6:45 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 17:13:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
On 6/25/2025 12:00 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/25/2025 10:17 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/25/2025 7:23 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/24/2025 4:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/our-handlebars-are-not-
uci-compliant-
and-we-dont-care/
I just measured mine on my ~40 year old touring bike and
my 53 year old
utility bike. Neither meet current UCI standards.
I've long noticed that I slightly outcoast almost
everyone in our club
when riding the brake hoods, and I'm far from the
heaviest. That's even
without using my aerobar, which gives a further huge
benefit. Maybe my
(slightly) narrow handlebars (~38 cm?) are a partial
explanation.
I believe they give a marginal advantage, but I’d suggest
body position and
clothing would have greater impact.
Roger Merriman
For us mortals that's correct. In the professional world
where milliseconds or single 100ths of CdA count, it can
make the difference between a win and _not_ a win.
Frank is likely in a more aerodynamic position - even
though others may _appear_ to be in the same position.
Nuances count more at higher speeds.
I may be in a slightly more aero position, simply because I
pay attention to that factor. When coasting even on the
hoods, I pull my elbows and knees inward a bit. I also try
to avoid loose flappy clothing.
I think some of my advantage is due to my large, self-built
handlebar bag. I took some pains to give it a vaguely aero
shape, as opposed to the typical rectangular box with sharp
edges. But ISTR some data claiming even a boxy front bag can
aid aerodynamics by shielding parts of the rider's body.
Old photo from a tour: <https://
live.staticflickr.com/65535/51802231601_a577378af4_c.jpg>
I also like the old Tailwind panniers, for the same reason.
Further discussion this afternoon:
https://bikerumor.com/uci-clairfies-bar-width-rules-road-cycling/
I don't understand the statement:
"Unfortunately, that isn’t something that will just affect the
professionals; it will soon trickle down to you too."
Does the UCI dictate what manufacturers can make and sell?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Not directly.
But bike makers and more importantly parts makers make what
sells in efficient production volume. Chop off 50% of a
small market item and product selection changes fast.
Not being a bicycle racing fan, I never heard of the UCI until I
joined this forum and saw it mentioned here. I looked them up and they
seem like a bunch of dictatorial, nit-pickers. They even dictate what
kind of socks the racers can wear.
Of course, I don't like rules in general. I really dislike the people
who make them and don't understand the people who blindly obey them
But all registry groups can be described as dictatorial. Why in pistol >marksmanship competitions they even dictate the force needed to pull
the trigger :-)
On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 02:43:49 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 04:41:52 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 20:01:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 6/26/2025 6:45 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 17:13:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
On 6/25/2025 12:00 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/25/2025 10:17 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/25/2025 7:23 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/24/2025 4:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/our-handlebars-are-not-
uci-compliant-
and-we-dont-care/
I just measured mine on my ~40 year old touring bike and
my 53 year old
utility bike. Neither meet current UCI standards.
I've long noticed that I slightly outcoast almost
everyone in our club
when riding the brake hoods, and I'm far from the
heaviest. That's even
without using my aerobar, which gives a further huge
benefit. Maybe my
(slightly) narrow handlebars (~38 cm?) are a partial
explanation.
I believe they give a marginal advantage, but I’d suggest
body position and
clothing would have greater impact.
Roger Merriman
For us mortals that's correct. In the professional world
where milliseconds or single 100ths of CdA count, it can
make the difference between a win and _not_ a win.
Frank is likely in a more aerodynamic position - even
though others may _appear_ to be in the same position.
Nuances count more at higher speeds.
I may be in a slightly more aero position, simply because I
pay attention to that factor. When coasting even on the
hoods, I pull my elbows and knees inward a bit. I also try
to avoid loose flappy clothing.
I think some of my advantage is due to my large, self-built
handlebar bag. I took some pains to give it a vaguely aero
shape, as opposed to the typical rectangular box with sharp
edges. But ISTR some data claiming even a boxy front bag can
aid aerodynamics by shielding parts of the rider's body.
Old photo from a tour: <https://
live.staticflickr.com/65535/51802231601_a577378af4_c.jpg>
I also like the old Tailwind panniers, for the same reason.
Further discussion this afternoon:
https://bikerumor.com/uci-clairfies-bar-width-rules-road-cycling/
I don't understand the statement:
"Unfortunately, that isn’t something that will just affect the
professionals; it will soon trickle down to you too."
Does the UCI dictate what manufacturers can make and sell?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Not directly.
But bike makers and more importantly parts makers make what
sells in efficient production volume. Chop off 50% of a
small market item and product selection changes fast.
Not being a bicycle racing fan, I never heard of the UCI until I
joined this forum and saw it mentioned here. I looked them up and they
seem like a bunch of dictatorial, nit-pickers. They even dictate what
kind of socks the racers can wear.
Of course, I don't like rules in general. I really dislike the people
who make them and don't understand the people who blindly obey them
But all registry groups can be described as dictatorial. Why in pistol
marksmanship competitions they even dictate the force needed to pull
the trigger :-)
I understand that there's a need to keep it fair in competitive
events, but it seems to me like many sanctioning bodies have gone way
to far to eliminate individuality.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 6/26/2025 6:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/25/2025 12:00 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/25/2025 10:17 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/25/2025 7:23 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/24/2025 4:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/our-handlebars-are-not- uci-
compliant-
and-we-dont-care/
I just measured mine on my ~40 year old touring bike and my 53
year old
utility bike. Neither meet current UCI standards.
I've long noticed that I slightly outcoast almost everyone in our
club
when riding the brake hoods, and I'm far from the heaviest. That's >>>>>> even
without using my aerobar, which gives a further huge benefit.
Maybe my
(slightly) narrow handlebars (~38 cm?) are a partial explanation.
I believe they give a marginal advantage, but I’d suggest body
position and
clothing would have greater impact.
Roger Merriman
For us mortals that's correct. In the professional world where
milliseconds or single 100ths of CdA count, it can make the
difference between a win and _not_ a win.
Frank is likely in a more aerodynamic position - even though others
may _appear_ to be in the same position. Nuances count more at
higher speeds.
I may be in a slightly more aero position, simply because I pay
attention to that factor. When coasting even on the hoods, I pull my
elbows and knees inward a bit. I also try to avoid loose flappy
clothing.
I think some of my advantage is due to my large, self-built handlebar
bag. I took some pains to give it a vaguely aero shape, as opposed to
the typical rectangular box with sharp edges. But ISTR some data
claiming even a boxy front bag can aid aerodynamics by shielding
parts of the rider's body.
Old photo from a tour: <https://
live.staticflickr.com/65535/51802231601_a577378af4_c.jpg>
I also like the old Tailwind panniers, for the same reason.
Further discussion this afternoon:
https://bikerumor.com/uci-clairfies-bar-width-rules-road-cycling/
The new rules seem nuts to me. Seems like penalizing small riders,
especially women, so the big guys are not too aerodynamic.
BTW, narrow handlebars make me think about this point within this video: <https://youtu.be/Vn29DvMITu4?list=RDVn29DvMITu4&t=76>
And it's a bit amazing how the market has changed since that was made. I mean, spending $5000 on a bike?
On 6/27/2025 8:16 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 02:43:49 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 04:41:52 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 20:01:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
On 6/26/2025 6:45 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 17:13:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>
On 6/25/2025 12:00 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:I don't understand the statement:
On 6/25/2025 10:17 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/25/2025 7:23 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/24/2025 4:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/our-handlebars-are-not- >>>>>>>>>>>> uci-compliant-
and-we-dont-care/
I just measured mine on my ~40 year old touring bike and >>>>>>>>>>> my 53 year old
utility bike. Neither meet current UCI standards.
I've long noticed that I slightly outcoast almost
everyone in our club
when riding the brake hoods, and I'm far from the
heaviest. That's even
without using my aerobar, which gives a further huge
benefit. Maybe my
(slightly) narrow handlebars (~38 cm?) are a partial
explanation.
I believe they give a marginal advantage, but I’d suggest
body position and
clothing would have greater impact.
Roger Merriman
For us mortals that's correct. In the professional world
where milliseconds or single 100ths of CdA count, it can
make the difference between a win and _not_ a win.
Frank is likely in a more aerodynamic position - even
though others may _appear_ to be in the same position.
Nuances count more at higher speeds.
I may be in a slightly more aero position, simply because I
pay attention to that factor. When coasting even on the
hoods, I pull my elbows and knees inward a bit. I also try
to avoid loose flappy clothing.
I think some of my advantage is due to my large, self-built
handlebar bag. I took some pains to give it a vaguely aero
shape, as opposed to the typical rectangular box with sharp
edges. But ISTR some data claiming even a boxy front bag can
aid aerodynamics by shielding parts of the rider's body.
Old photo from a tour: <https://
live.staticflickr.com/65535/51802231601_a577378af4_c.jpg>
I also like the old Tailwind panniers, for the same reason.
Further discussion this afternoon:
https://bikerumor.com/uci-clairfies-bar-width-rules-road-cycling/ >>>>>>
"Unfortunately, that isn’t something that will just affect the
professionals; it will soon trickle down to you too."
Does the UCI dictate what manufacturers can make and sell?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Not directly.
But bike makers and more importantly parts makers make what
sells in efficient production volume. Chop off 50% of a
small market item and product selection changes fast.
Not being a bicycle racing fan, I never heard of the UCI until I
joined this forum and saw it mentioned here. I looked them up and they >>>> seem like a bunch of dictatorial, nit-pickers. They even dictate what
kind of socks the racers can wear.
Of course, I don't like rules in general. I really dislike the people
who make them and don't understand the people who blindly obey them
But all registry groups can be described as dictatorial. Why in pistol
marksmanship competitions they even dictate the force needed to pull
the trigger :-)
I understand that there's a need to keep it fair in competitive
events, but it seems to me like many sanctioning bodies have gone way
to far to eliminate individuality.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
And therefore innovation; c.f. Oscar Egg, Greg Lemond, Chris
Bordman et al.
On 6/27/2025 4:43 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 04:41:52 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 20:01:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 6/26/2025 6:45 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 17:13:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
On 6/25/2025 12:00 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/25/2025 10:17 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/25/2025 7:23 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/24/2025 4:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/our-handlebars-are-not-
uci-compliant-
and-we-dont-care/
I just measured mine on my ~40 year old touring bike and
my 53 year old
utility bike. Neither meet current UCI standards.
I've long noticed that I slightly outcoast almost
everyone in our club
when riding the brake hoods, and I'm far from the
heaviest. That's even
without using my aerobar, which gives a further huge
benefit. Maybe my
(slightly) narrow handlebars (~38 cm?) are a partial
explanation.
I believe they give a marginal advantage, but I’d suggest
body position and
clothing would have greater impact.
Roger Merriman
For us mortals that's correct. In the professional world
where milliseconds or single 100ths of CdA count, it can
make the difference between a win and _not_ a win.
Frank is likely in a more aerodynamic position - even
though others may _appear_ to be in the same position.
Nuances count more at higher speeds.
I may be in a slightly more aero position, simply because I
pay attention to that factor. When coasting even on the
hoods, I pull my elbows and knees inward a bit. I also try
to avoid loose flappy clothing.
I think some of my advantage is due to my large, self-built
handlebar bag. I took some pains to give it a vaguely aero
shape, as opposed to the typical rectangular box with sharp
edges. But ISTR some data claiming even a boxy front bag can
aid aerodynamics by shielding parts of the rider's body.
Old photo from a tour: <https://
live.staticflickr.com/65535/51802231601_a577378af4_c.jpg>
I also like the old Tailwind panniers, for the same reason.
Further discussion this afternoon:
https://bikerumor.com/uci-clairfies-bar-width-rules-road-cycling/
I don't understand the statement:
"Unfortunately, that isn’t something that will just affect the
professionals; it will soon trickle down to you too."
Does the UCI dictate what manufacturers can make and sell?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Not directly.
But bike makers and more importantly parts makers make what
sells in efficient production volume. Chop off 50% of a
small market item and product selection changes fast.
Not being a bicycle racing fan, I never heard of the UCI until I
joined this forum and saw it mentioned here. I looked them up and they
seem like a bunch of dictatorial, nit-pickers. They even dictate what
kind of socks the racers can wear.
Of course, I don't like rules in general. I really dislike the people
who make them and don't understand the people who blindly obey them
But all registry groups can be described as dictatorial. Why in pistol
marksmanship competitions they even dictate the force needed to pull
the trigger :-)
--
cheers,
John B.
Well, yes that's true.
But IME shooters don't hold visceral hatred and disgust for
their organizations as cyclists do for UCI.
On 6/27/2025 10:02 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/26/2025 9:02 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
BTW, narrow handlebars make me think about this point within this video: >>> <https://youtu.be/Vn29DvMITu4?list=RDVn29DvMITu4&t=76>
And it's a bit amazing how the market has changed since that was made.
I mean, spending $5000 on a bike?
$5K? Where have you been?
https://www.specialized.com/us/en/s-works-tarmac-sl8-shimano-dura-ace-
di2/p/4221536?color=5430674-4221536
https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/road-bikes/performance-road-
bikes/madone/madone-slr/madone-slr-9-axs-gen-8/p/46151/?colorCode=reddark
https://www.cannondale.com/en-ca/bikes/road/endurance/synapse-carbon/
synapse-lab71-smartsense
That Cdale is supposed to retail for $22K.
Our tricycle rider has absolutely no understanding of sarcasm.
Obviously, $5000 is not unusual for a good bike these days, but it was a
lot when that video was made.
I guess I should have labeled my question as sarcasm, for his benefit.
My apologies.
On 6/27/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/27/2025 4:43 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 04:41:52 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 20:01:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
On 6/26/2025 6:45 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 17:13:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>
On 6/25/2025 12:00 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:I don't understand the statement:
On 6/25/2025 10:17 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/25/2025 7:23 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/24/2025 4:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/our-handlebars-are-not- >>>>>>>>>>>> uci-compliant-
and-we-dont-care/
I just measured mine on my ~40 year old touring bike and >>>>>>>>>>> my 53 year old
utility bike. Neither meet current UCI standards.
I've long noticed that I slightly outcoast almost
everyone in our club
when riding the brake hoods, and I'm far from the
heaviest. That's even
without using my aerobar, which gives a further huge
benefit. Maybe my
(slightly) narrow handlebars (~38 cm?) are a partial
explanation.
I believe they give a marginal advantage, but I’d suggest
body position and
clothing would have greater impact.
Roger Merriman
For us mortals that's correct. In the professional world
where milliseconds or single 100ths of CdA count, it can
make the difference between a win and _not_ a win.
Frank is likely in a more aerodynamic position - even
though others may _appear_ to be in the same position.
Nuances count more at higher speeds.
I may be in a slightly more aero position, simply because I
pay attention to that factor. When coasting even on the
hoods, I pull my elbows and knees inward a bit. I also try
to avoid loose flappy clothing.
I think some of my advantage is due to my large, self-built
handlebar bag. I took some pains to give it a vaguely aero
shape, as opposed to the typical rectangular box with sharp
edges. But ISTR some data claiming even a boxy front bag can
aid aerodynamics by shielding parts of the rider's body.
Old photo from a tour: <https://
live.staticflickr.com/65535/51802231601_a577378af4_c.jpg>
I also like the old Tailwind panniers, for the same reason.
Further discussion this afternoon:
https://bikerumor.com/uci-clairfies-bar-width-rules-road-cycling/ >>>>>>
"Unfortunately, that isn’t something that will just affect the
professionals; it will soon trickle down to you too."
Does the UCI dictate what manufacturers can make and sell?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Not directly.
But bike makers and more importantly parts makers make what
sells in efficient production volume. Chop off 50% of a
small market item and product selection changes fast.
Not being a bicycle racing fan, I never heard of the UCI until I
joined this forum and saw it mentioned here. I looked them up and they >>>> seem like a bunch of dictatorial, nit-pickers. They even dictate what
kind of socks the racers can wear.
Of course, I don't like rules in general. I really dislike the people
who make them and don't understand the people who blindly obey them
But all registry groups can be described as dictatorial. Why in pistol
marksmanship competitions they even dictate the force needed to pull
the trigger :-)
--
cheers,
John B.
Well, yes that's true.
But IME shooters don't hold visceral hatred and disgust for their
organizations as cyclists do for UCI.
:-) Some might say that proves shooters are meek people who blindly
obey the rules!
(I'm not really saying that. Just riffing on Mr. Independent's comment.)
On 6/27/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/27/2025 4:43 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 04:41:52 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 20:01:55 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 6/26/2025 6:45 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 17:13:59 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 6/25/2025 12:00 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/25/2025 10:17 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/25/2025 7:23 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/24/2025 4:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/our-handlebars-
are-not-
uci-compliant-
and-we-dont-care/
I just measured mine on my ~40 year old touring
bike and
my 53 year old
utility bike. Neither meet current UCI standards.
I've long noticed that I slightly outcoast almost
everyone in our club
when riding the brake hoods, and I'm far from the
heaviest. That's even
without using my aerobar, which gives a further huge
benefit. Maybe my
(slightly) narrow handlebars (~38 cm?) are a partial
explanation.
I believe they give a marginal advantage, but I’d
suggest
body position and
clothing would have greater impact.
Roger Merriman
For us mortals that's correct. In the professional
world
where milliseconds or single 100ths of CdA count,
it can
make the difference between a win and _not_ a win.
Frank is likely in a more aerodynamic position - even
though others may _appear_ to be in the same position.
Nuances count more at higher speeds.
I may be in a slightly more aero position, simply
because I
pay attention to that factor. When coasting even on the
hoods, I pull my elbows and knees inward a bit. I
also try
to avoid loose flappy clothing.
I think some of my advantage is due to my large,
self-built
handlebar bag. I took some pains to give it a
vaguely aero
shape, as opposed to the typical rectangular box
with sharp
edges. But ISTR some data claiming even a boxy front
bag can
aid aerodynamics by shielding parts of the rider's
body.
Old photo from a tour: <https://
live.staticflickr.com/65535/51802231601_a577378af4_c.jpg>
I also like the old Tailwind panniers, for the same
reason.
Further discussion this afternoon:
https://bikerumor.com/uci-clairfies-bar-width-rules-
road-cycling/
I don't understand the statement:
"Unfortunately, that isn’t something that will just
affect the
professionals; it will soon trickle down to you too."
Does the UCI dictate what manufacturers can make and
sell?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Not directly.
But bike makers and more importantly parts makers make
what
sells in efficient production volume. Chop off 50% of a
small market item and product selection changes fast.
Not being a bicycle racing fan, I never heard of the UCI
until I
joined this forum and saw it mentioned here. I looked
them up and they
seem like a bunch of dictatorial, nit-pickers. They even
dictate what
kind of socks the racers can wear.
Of course, I don't like rules in general. I really
dislike the people
who make them and don't understand the people who
blindly obey them
But all registry groups can be described as dictatorial.
Why in pistol
marksmanship competitions they even dictate the force
needed to pull
the trigger :-)
--
cheers,
John B.
Well, yes that's true.
But IME shooters don't hold visceral hatred and disgust
for their organizations as cyclists do for UCI.
:-)Â Some might say that proves shooters are meek people who
blindly obey the rules!
(I'm not really saying that. Just riffing on Mr.
Independent's comment.)
On 6/27/2025 2:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/27/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/27/2025 4:43 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 04:41:52 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 20:01:55 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 6/26/2025 6:45 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 17:13:59 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 6/25/2025 12:00 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/25/2025 10:17 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/25/2025 7:23 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/24/2025 4:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/our-handlebars-
are-not-
uci-compliant-
and-we-dont-care/
I just measured mine on my ~40 year old touring
bike and
my 53 year old
utility bike. Neither meet current UCI standards.
I've long noticed that I slightly outcoast almost
everyone in our club
when riding the brake hoods, and I'm far from the
heaviest. That's even
without using my aerobar, which gives a further huge
benefit. Maybe my
(slightly) narrow handlebars (~38 cm?) are a partial
explanation.
I believe they give a marginal advantage, but I’d
suggest
body position and
clothing would have greater impact.
Roger Merriman
For us mortals that's correct. In the professional
world
where milliseconds or single 100ths of CdA count,
it can
make the difference between a win and _not_ a win.
Frank is likely in a more aerodynamic position - even
though others may _appear_ to be in the same position.
Nuances count more at higher speeds.
I may be in a slightly more aero position, simply
because I
pay attention to that factor. When coasting even on the
hoods, I pull my elbows and knees inward a bit. I
also try
to avoid loose flappy clothing.
I think some of my advantage is due to my large,
self-built
handlebar bag. I took some pains to give it a
vaguely aero
shape, as opposed to the typical rectangular box
with sharp
edges. But ISTR some data claiming even a boxy front
bag can
aid aerodynamics by shielding parts of the rider's
body.
Old photo from a tour: <https://
live.staticflickr.com/65535/51802231601_a577378af4_c.jpg>
I also like the old Tailwind panniers, for the same
reason.
Further discussion this afternoon:
https://bikerumor.com/uci-clairfies-bar-width-rules-
road-cycling/
I don't understand the statement:
"Unfortunately, that isn’t something that will just
affect the
professionals; it will soon trickle down to you too."
Does the UCI dictate what manufacturers can make and
sell?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Not directly.
But bike makers and more importantly parts makers make
what
sells in efficient production volume. Chop off 50% of a
small market item and product selection changes fast.
Not being a bicycle racing fan, I never heard of the UCI
until I
joined this forum and saw it mentioned here. I looked
them up and they
seem like a bunch of dictatorial, nit-pickers. They even
dictate what
kind of socks the racers can wear.
Of course, I don't like rules in general. I really
dislike the people
who make them and don't understand the people who
blindly obey them
But all registry groups can be described as dictatorial.
Why in pistol
marksmanship competitions they even dictate the force
needed to pull
the trigger :-)
--
cheers,
John B.
Well, yes that's true.
But IME shooters don't hold visceral hatred and disgust
for their organizations as cyclists do for UCI.
:-) Some might say that proves shooters are meek people who
blindly obey the rules!
(I'm not really saying that. Just riffing on Mr.
Independent's comment.)
[also lightheartedly]
What's a professional cyclist gonna do? Throw his water
bottle at an official?
On 6/27/2025 4:43 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 04:41:52 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 20:01:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 6/26/2025 6:45 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 17:13:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
On 6/25/2025 12:00 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/25/2025 10:17 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/25/2025 7:23 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/24/2025 4:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/our-handlebars-are-not-
uci-compliant-
and-we-dont-care/
I just measured mine on my ~40 year old touring bike and
my 53 year old
utility bike. Neither meet current UCI standards.
I've long noticed that I slightly outcoast almost
everyone in our club
when riding the brake hoods, and I'm far from the
heaviest. That's even
without using my aerobar, which gives a further huge
benefit. Maybe my
(slightly) narrow handlebars (~38 cm?) are a partial
explanation.
I believe they give a marginal advantage, but I’d suggest
body position and
clothing would have greater impact.
Roger Merriman
For us mortals that's correct. In the professional world
where milliseconds or single 100ths of CdA count, it can
make the difference between a win and _not_ a win.
Frank is likely in a more aerodynamic position - even
though others may _appear_ to be in the same position.
Nuances count more at higher speeds.
I may be in a slightly more aero position, simply because I
pay attention to that factor. When coasting even on the
hoods, I pull my elbows and knees inward a bit. I also try
to avoid loose flappy clothing.
I think some of my advantage is due to my large, self-built
handlebar bag. I took some pains to give it a vaguely aero
shape, as opposed to the typical rectangular box with sharp
edges. But ISTR some data claiming even a boxy front bag can
aid aerodynamics by shielding parts of the rider's body.
Old photo from a tour: <https://
live.staticflickr.com/65535/51802231601_a577378af4_c.jpg>
I also like the old Tailwind panniers, for the same reason.
Further discussion this afternoon:
https://bikerumor.com/uci-clairfies-bar-width-rules-road-cycling/
I don't understand the statement:
"Unfortunately, that isn’t something that will just affect the
professionals; it will soon trickle down to you too."
Does the UCI dictate what manufacturers can make and sell?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Not directly.
But bike makers and more importantly parts makers make what
sells in efficient production volume. Chop off 50% of a
small market item and product selection changes fast.
Not being a bicycle racing fan, I never heard of the UCI until I
joined this forum and saw it mentioned here. I looked them up and they
seem like a bunch of dictatorial, nit-pickers. They even dictate what
kind of socks the racers can wear.
Of course, I don't like rules in general. I really dislike the people
who make them and don't understand the people who blindly obey them
But all registry groups can be described as dictatorial. Why in pistol
marksmanship competitions they even dictate the force needed to pull
the trigger :-)
--
cheers,
John B.
Well, yes that's true.
But IME shooters don't hold visceral hatred and disgust for
their organizations as cyclists do for UCI.
1904, Maurice Garin won the Tour de France. However, that title was later revoked because he and other riders had taken a train for part of a stage of the race.--
On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 07:48:25 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 4:43 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 04:41:52 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 20:01:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
On 6/26/2025 6:45 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 17:13:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>
On 6/25/2025 12:00 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:I don't understand the statement:
On 6/25/2025 10:17 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/25/2025 7:23 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/24/2025 4:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/our-handlebars-are-not- >>>>>>>>>>>> uci-compliant-
and-we-dont-care/
I just measured mine on my ~40 year old touring bike and >>>>>>>>>>> my 53 year old
utility bike. Neither meet current UCI standards.
I've long noticed that I slightly outcoast almost
everyone in our club
when riding the brake hoods, and I'm far from the
heaviest. That's even
without using my aerobar, which gives a further huge
benefit. Maybe my
(slightly) narrow handlebars (~38 cm?) are a partial
explanation.
I believe they give a marginal advantage, but I’d suggest >>>>>>>>>> body position and
clothing would have greater impact.
Roger Merriman
For us mortals that's correct. In the professional world
where milliseconds or single 100ths of CdA count, it can
make the difference between a win and _not_ a win.
Frank is likely in a more aerodynamic position - even
though others may _appear_ to be in the same position.
Nuances count more at higher speeds.
I may be in a slightly more aero position, simply because I
pay attention to that factor. When coasting even on the
hoods, I pull my elbows and knees inward a bit. I also try
to avoid loose flappy clothing.
I think some of my advantage is due to my large, self-built
handlebar bag. I took some pains to give it a vaguely aero
shape, as opposed to the typical rectangular box with sharp
edges. But ISTR some data claiming even a boxy front bag can
aid aerodynamics by shielding parts of the rider's body.
Old photo from a tour: <https://
live.staticflickr.com/65535/51802231601_a577378af4_c.jpg>
I also like the old Tailwind panniers, for the same reason.
Further discussion this afternoon:
https://bikerumor.com/uci-clairfies-bar-width-rules-road-cycling/ >>>>>>
"Unfortunately, that isn’t something that will just affect the
professionals; it will soon trickle down to you too."
Does the UCI dictate what manufacturers can make and sell?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Not directly.
But bike makers and more importantly parts makers make what
sells in efficient production volume. Chop off 50% of a
small market item and product selection changes fast.
Not being a bicycle racing fan, I never heard of the UCI until I
joined this forum and saw it mentioned here. I looked them up and they >>>> seem like a bunch of dictatorial, nit-pickers. They even dictate what
kind of socks the racers can wear.
Of course, I don't like rules in general. I really dislike the people
who make them and don't understand the people who blindly obey them
But all registry groups can be described as dictatorial. Why in pistol
marksmanship competitions they even dictate the force needed to pull
the trigger :-)
--
cheers,
John B.
Well, yes that's true.
But IME shooters don't hold visceral hatred and disgust for
their organizations as cyclists do for UCI.
Well, they could go back to the pre 1900 days when cheating was nearly universal (:-)
1904, Maurice Garin won the Tour de France. However, that title was later revoked because he and other riders had taken a train for part of a stage of the race.
--
cheers,
John B.
On 6/27/2025 8:13 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 07:48:25 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 4:43 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 04:41:52 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 20:01:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
On 6/26/2025 6:45 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 17:13:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 6/25/2025 12:00 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:I don't understand the statement:
On 6/25/2025 10:17 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/25/2025 7:23 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/24/2025 4:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/our-handlebars-are-not- >>>>>>>>>>>>> uci-compliant-
and-we-dont-care/
I just measured mine on my ~40 year old touring bike and >>>>>>>>>>>> my 53 year old
utility bike. Neither meet current UCI standards.
I've long noticed that I slightly outcoast almost
everyone in our club
when riding the brake hoods, and I'm far from the
heaviest. That's even
without using my aerobar, which gives a further huge
benefit. Maybe my
(slightly) narrow handlebars (~38 cm?) are a partial
explanation.
I believe they give a marginal advantage, but I’d suggest >>>>>>>>>>> body position and
clothing would have greater impact.
Roger Merriman
For us mortals that's correct. In the professional world
where milliseconds or single 100ths of CdA count, it can
make the difference between a win and _not_ a win.
Frank is likely in a more aerodynamic position - even
though others may _appear_ to be in the same position.
Nuances count more at higher speeds.
I may be in a slightly more aero position, simply because I
pay attention to that factor. When coasting even on the
hoods, I pull my elbows and knees inward a bit. I also try
to avoid loose flappy clothing.
I think some of my advantage is due to my large, self-built
handlebar bag. I took some pains to give it a vaguely aero
shape, as opposed to the typical rectangular box with sharp
edges. But ISTR some data claiming even a boxy front bag can >>>>>>>>> aid aerodynamics by shielding parts of the rider's body.
Old photo from a tour: <https://
live.staticflickr.com/65535/51802231601_a577378af4_c.jpg>
I also like the old Tailwind panniers, for the same reason.
Further discussion this afternoon:
https://bikerumor.com/uci-clairfies-bar-width-rules-road-cycling/ >>>>>>>
"Unfortunately, that isn’t something that will just affect the >>>>>>> professionals; it will soon trickle down to you too."
Does the UCI dictate what manufacturers can make and sell?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Not directly.
But bike makers and more importantly parts makers make what
sells in efficient production volume. Chop off 50% of a
small market item and product selection changes fast.
Not being a bicycle racing fan, I never heard of the UCI until I
joined this forum and saw it mentioned here. I looked them up and they >>>>> seem like a bunch of dictatorial, nit-pickers. They even dictate what >>>>> kind of socks the racers can wear.
Of course, I don't like rules in general. I really dislike the people >>>>> who make them and don't understand the people who blindly obey them
But all registry groups can be described as dictatorial. Why in pistol >>>> marksmanship competitions they even dictate the force needed to pull
the trigger :-)
--
cheers,
John B.
Well, yes that's true.
But IME shooters don't hold visceral hatred and disgust for
their organizations as cyclists do for UCI.
Well, they could go back to the pre 1900 days when cheating was nearly
universal (:-)
1904, Maurice Garin won the Tour de France. However, that title was
later revoked because he and other riders had taken a train for part of
a stage of the race.
--
cheers,
John B.
Oh, you mean like pro racing today and every other sport as
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